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>> FOR MARCH 10TH TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
[A. CALL TO ORDER]
>> YEAH. COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE].
>> FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER ABELMAN IS NOT HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AND WE CAN CONDUCT BUSINESS.
>> LISA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE?
>> THANK YOU ALL. ITEM D APPROVED ORDER OF AGENDA.
[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]
I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND.>> WELL, THERE'S A REQUEST AND IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, THOUGH.
>> WE HAVE WITH US TONIGHT, CITY MANAGER MIKE WITZANSKY, TO DISCUSS BUDGET ITEMS, AND IF WE COULD MOVE ITEM.
>> L1 UP TO NOW [LAUGHTER] IF WE COULD MOVE THAT UP, I THINK HE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
>> JUST MOVE IT UP BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION?
>> MOVE TO MOVE THE ITEM, L1 UP TO JUST BEFORE J.
>> OPPOSED? PERFECT. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY?
[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]
[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]
APPROVAL OF AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING AND THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 10TH.IS THERE A MOTION OR ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES?
>> OPPOSED? PERFECT. NO EXCLUDED.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS.
[H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THIS AGENDA FOR ACTION.THIS SECTION IS LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES, EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE.
WRITTEN REQUESTS, IF ANY, WILL BE CONSIDERED FIRST UNDER THIS SECTION.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK UNDER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? I SEE NONE IN THE AUDIENCE.
>> NO E COMMENTS. NO PARTICIPANTS IN ZOOM.
>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ON PUBLIC HEARINGS. DO WE HAVE ANY?
[I. EX PARTE COMMUNICATION]
>> WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?
>> OKAY. LISA? ANY EX PARTE NO COMMUNICATIONS? I HAVE NONE, NONE.
>> WE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
BUT FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO DO L1 WITH MIKE WITZANSKY, OUR CITY MANAGER.
[L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AS I AM EACH SPRING TO GATHER YOUR INPUT ON THE PREPARATION OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET.
RATHER THAN COME BACK TO YOU AFTER STAFF AND WE'VE WORKED ON THE BUDGET TOGETHER INTERNALLY AND PROPOSED THE COUNCIL WHERE IT'S READY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION, GATHER FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL TO HELP INFORM THAT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING THROUGH ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT YOU THINK IS A COMMISSION WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
WE'VE STARTED THAT ROTATION THIS YEAR, I ATTENDED THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND YOU'RE THE SECOND GROUP TO BE IN FRONT OF AND WILL COMPLETE THAT CYCLE TOWARDS THE END OF APRIL WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONS.
WE PROPOSE OUR BUDGET, AS YOU KNOW, EACH YEAR, MID MAY BY MAY 16TH.
THAT'S OUR CHARTER REQUIREMENT, AND WE STRIVE TO DO THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR, AND HOPE TO HAVE WHAT I WOULD CALL A BUSINESS AS USUAL BUDGET FOR THE MOST PART.
I DON'T SEE ANY MASSIVE SHIFTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FROM A REVENUE OR EXPENDITURE STANDPOINT.
WE CONTINUE TO SEE SLOW PROGRESS AND STEADY IMPROVEMENT IN OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE BASE.
WE CONTINUE TO BE RELATIVELY FLAT AS IT PERTAINS TO OUR SALES TAX DATA, OUR TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX CONTINUES TO BE A RELATIVELY FLAT REVENUE LINE.
OUR GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR, HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS NOW,
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PRIMARILY ON THE PROPERTY TAX VALUATION BASIS, AND WE CALL A PROPERTY TAX IN LIEU FEE, WHICH IS A STATE ACCOUNTING PRACTICE THAT IS OFFSETTING MONEY THEY TOOK AWAY FROM US YEARS AGO FROM VEHICLE LICENSE FEES THAT USED TO BE A LOCAL REVENUE SOURCE AND THEN WERE TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE.BOTH OF THOSE REVENUE SOURCES ARE LOOKING TO SHOW, I THINK MILLION TO TWO MILLION TOTAL YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE, SO THAT'S SOLID INCREMENT FOR US.
WE DO HAVE NEW EXPENDITURE PRESSURES THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE LABOR AGREEMENTS, MULTI YEAR LABOR AGREEMENTS WITH OUR VARIOUS ASSOCIATIONS.
THAT AFFECTS OUR ARBOR LANDS AND TILINS FUNDS AS WE HAVE MANY STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE DIRECTLY CHARGED TO THOSE LOCATIONS, PARTICULAR OUR HARBOR PATROL FUNCTION, AS WELL AS OUR DEDICATED MARINA PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL.
THERE WILL BE SOME EFFECT THERE.
THE HARBOR LANDS AND TYLANS FUND, WHICH I KNOW IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ALL OF YOUR HEARTS, CONTINUES TO IMPROVE FROM WHERE IT WAS POST COVID, BUT WE ARE NOT YET TO STRUCTURAL BALANCE.
WE ARE SHOWING AT YEAR END THIS FISCAL YEAR, A LIKELY SUBSIDY NEED FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
WE HAVE SET MONEY ASIDE TO PLAN FOR THAT AND HELP CLOSE THAT GAP AT YEAR END, I SUSPECT WHEN WE GO INTO PROPOSED BUDGET CYCLE, WE WILL LIKELY STILL BE SHORT.
ONGOING REVENUES TO ONGOING EXPENDITURES.
WE'LL HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THERE.
WE'LL BE LIMITED IN ANY OF OUR ADDITIONAL CAPITAL RESOURCE ALLOCATION.
WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THOSE SPENDS FOR ANOTHER YEAR, SO, BUT WE ARE RECOVERING.
REVENUES ARE GROWING. WE HAVE NEW LEASES COMING ON BOARD.
I THINK WE HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN HERE TONIGHT WHO ARE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE VERY CONTRIBUTORY TOWARDS THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES COME ON BOARD.
IN GENERAL, LEASING ACROSS THE WATERFRONT HAS BEEN IMPROVING, I KNOW GRAY'S BEEN KEEPING YOU UP TO DATE ON VACANCY RATES AND THE LIKE. SO WE'RE PLEASED WITH THAT.
THE GROWTH JUST ISN'T THERE YET COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE PRE COVID.
ALSO SEEING PARKING REVENUES COME BACK ONLINE.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN AREA OF FOCUS FOR US NEXT YEAR.
I'LL BE WORKING WITH GREG AND HIS TEAM AND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT REALLY PARKING ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING WE CAN OF OUR VARIOUS PARKING STRUCTURES AND SPACES.
THAT'LL BE AN AREA OF EMPHASIS GOING TO THIS BUDGET AND NEXT YEAR'S OPERATING PRACTICE AND PROGRAM.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE ARE THRILLED WITH WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE WATERFRONT FROM A SPEND STANDPOINT BECAUSE WE HAVE MADE SO MANY STRIDES ON A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BASIS, AS YOU KNOW, THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK PAVERS, THE SKATE PARK, THE MURALS, THE DREDGING PROJECT BEING CONCLUDED NOW.
WE SPENT MORE MONEY ON THE CAPITAL SIDE IN THE WATERFRONT THE LAST THREE YEARS THAN I THINK WE DID THE PRECEDING 15.
IT'S PUT US IN A GOOD PHYSICAL SPACE, BUT IT HAS TAXED OUR PIGGY BANK, SO TO SPEAK.
WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF OUR RESERVE TIDELANDS AND UPLANDS MONIES, AND THAT'S WHAT HAS ULTIMATELY PUT US INTO A BIT OF A TIGHT SPACE OPERATING WISE BOTH IN THE LANDS AND TITLES.
WE'RE MONITORING IT. I THINK WE'LL SEE MORE PROGRESS THIS YEAR, SO IT'S NOT ALL DOOM AND GLOOM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO KEEP TABS ON, AND WE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE WATERFRONT WITH SOME GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION TO KEEP IT BALANCED, I THINK FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR CORE PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL IN MAY.
TRYING TO THINK ON THE OPERATING SIDE AREAS THAT YOU MIGHT BE CURIOUS ABOUT.
WE'LL CONTINUE OUR VERY RIGOROUS OVERALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
FUNDS THAT WE DO HAVE SET ASIDE THAT ARE RELATED TO THE WATERFRONT THAT WILL BE IN PLAY NEXT YEAR.
WE HOPE TO HAVE MORE FAVORABLE BIDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SEISMIC UPGRADES DOWN IN THE OLD FUND FACTORY SPACE.
OUR FIRST ROUND OF BIDDING DIDN'T GO AS WELL AS WE HAD HOPED.
IT WAS ABOUT $1,000,000 OVER OUR ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, AND ABOUT $1,000,000 OVER OUR ROUGHLY 2.5 MILLION DOLLAR OF GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT WE HAD SET ASIDE FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE TRYING TO VALUE ENGINEER THE PROJECT TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN BRING THAT COST DOWN AND HOPEFULLY EXECUTE THAT PROJECT WITHIN EXISTING RESOURCES WITHOUT HAVING TO APPROPRIATE ADDITIONAL MONEY.
THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY FOCUSED ON.
I DON'T NEED TO GIVE YOU THE UPDATE ON THE SEASIDE LAGOON OR THE BOAT LAUNCH, I KNOW GRANT COMPANY BE WELL INFORMED ON THAT.
THOSE TWO CAPITAL PROJECTS CONTINUE TO BE A MAJOR PRIORITY FOR OUR STAFF, NOT JUST IN THE WATERFRONT DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND SPECIFICALLY OUR ENGINEERING TEAM AS WELL.
A LOT OF RESOURCES DEDICATED THAT.
THOSE ARE THE THREE CAPITAL EFFORTS NEXT YEAR, I THINK IN THE WATERFRONT, THAT WILL BE PRIORITY AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THEM THROUGH.
ON A PARTNERSHIP BASIS, THE BREAKWATER REPAIR, WE DID GET SOME GOOD NEWS FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, DESPITE ALL THE TURMOIL IN WASHINGTON DOES LOOK LIKE OUR ARMY CORPS PROJECT TO REPAIR OUR BREAKWATER, WHICH WE HAVE I THINK ESTIMATED $10 MILLION OF FUNDING
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FROM STATE AND FROM FEDS IS ON SCHEDULE, AND ONCE THEY GET THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL THIS SPRING, I THINK THEY'RE HOPING TO GET THE REPAIR GOING SOMETIME IN 2025.I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE WINDOWS A LITTLE TIGHTER.
THERE ARE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MANAGE AND WORK AROUND, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE HOPING TO MAKE THAT REPAIR THIS CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH IS EXCITING.
WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THAT WILL BE A PARTNERSHIP EFFORT.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE GRANTS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF BOATING AND WATER RAYS TO HELP SUPPLEMENT OUR EFFORTS.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL WHEN IT COMES TO THE BOAT LAUNCH.
WE'VE SET ENOUGH MONEY ASIDE TO DESIGN AND GET REALLY OUR GRANT APPLICATION READY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE.
GET THAT PREPARED, AND THEN OUR HOPE IS THAT DBA WILL STEP IN AND FUND OUR FINAL PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS, AND THEN THE ULTIMATE CONSTRUCTION EFFORT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND OUR OWN RESOURCES FOR THAT.
BUT THAT PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY, WILL BE VERY CREATIVE TO OUR LONG TERM HEALTH, AND WE'LL FINALLY IN A SENSE, CHECK THE BOX THAT HAS HELD US BACK FROM A LOT OF OUR LCP REQUIREMENTS DOWN IN THE WATERFRONT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
VERY EXCITING EFFORTS. WE CONTINUE TO BE, WE THINK FULLY FUNDED FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF THE SEASIDE LAGOON REHABILITATION PROJECT BY FOCUSING ON OUR WATERWORKS, IF YOU WILL, OUR WATER UTILITY.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, GET US OUT OF THAT WATER DISCHARGE OPERATION THAT'S CREATED SO MUCH TROUBLE FOR US WITH OUR REGIONAL WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD AND OUR MPDS PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.
VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT WORK PROCEED.
THAT'LL HELP US NOT JUST ON THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENT FROM A PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT, BUT IT'LL HELP US WITH OUR OPERATING AS WELL BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPENDING ANYWHERE $50-125 THOUSAND A YEAR PAYING THE STATE IN WATER DISCHARGE FINES, WHICH IS EXCEEDINGLY FRUSTRATED, CONSIDERING IT'S HARD TO ARGUE THAT WE'RE DOING ANYTHING REALLY MEANINGFUL TO THE WATER THAT'S COMING THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.
WE'RE EXCITED TO CLOSE THAT LOOP FIGURATIVELY AND LITERALLY.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S. THE STATE OF THE WATERFRONT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE HARBOR ENTERPRISE, BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT GENERAL OPERATIONS THAT FLOW THROUGH OUR BUDGET.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S THE BIGGEST POLICY DECISION THAT COUNCIL MAKES EACH AND EVERY YEAR.
OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS HOVERING AROUND $110 MILLION.
STRUCTURAL REVENUES LOOK, AS I SAID, SOLID.
WE DO HAVE SOME LOOMING EXPENSES THAT WE'LL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON.
WE HAVE INCREASED UNFUNDED ACCRUED LIABILITY PAYMENT THIS YEAR DUE TO PRS PERFORMANCE WITH THEIR PORTFOLIO.
WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR IT.
WE HAVE SOME MONEY SET ASIDE FOR IT, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER COMMITMENT THAT WE'LL MAKE THIS YEAR THAT IN A SENSE, I USE THE WORD STRESS.
SOMEWHAT LIGHTLY, IN THIS CASE, IT WILL STRESS OUR RESOURCES AT.
IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE PLANNED FOR.
IT'S NOT A MASSIVE CHANGE TO OPERATION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND MONEY ON IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT WE ARE PREPARED TO DO SO.
DON'T HAVE MUCH TO OFFER AT THIS POINT, WE'LL BE PREPARING FINAL ESTIMATES AND EXPENSES AND REVENUES HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.
NOW IS REALLY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO GIVE ME SOME EARLY POLICY FEEDBACK, ANY THOUGHTS ON PROJECTS.
PERHAPS THIS FISCAL YEAR, IF WE CAN'T AFFORD THEM, MAYBE THEY'RE GOOD FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
MOST OF THESE IDEAS TAKE SEVERAL YEARS TO IMPLEMENT ANYWAY.
I'M ALL EARS, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> GREG, DON'T WE USUALLY SEND A LETTER WITH OUR PRIMARY WISH LIST?
>> TYPICALLY YOU DO. WE USUALLY HAVE A BACK AND FORTH WITH OUR CITY MANAGER TODAY AND USUALLY THIS GROUP VOTES TO ASSIGN SOMEONE TO WRITE A LETTER.
>> THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I'M HERE TO YOU EARLY, SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS TO DO THAT.
THE BUDGET WILL BE SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL IN THE MIDDLE OF MAY.
>> WE APPRECIATE THE EARLY MORNING.
YES, BECAUSE TIME SLIDES BY TODAY.
>> THANKS AS ALWAYS FOR COMING.
>> THAT LETTER WE'VE SENT THAT WISH LIST WE HAD FOR A BUNCH OF YEARS IN A ROW.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THE BUDGET WAS GOOD.
YOU PRETTY MUCH WERE LIKE SANTA AND GAVE IT ALL TO US [LAUGHTER]
>> THEN LAST YEAR, WE KNEW IT WAS THIN, AND I DON'T THINK LAST YEAR WE ASKED FOR TOO MUCH.
IT WAS JUST A CONTINUATION AND FINISH WHAT'S ON YOUR PLATE AND THANK YOU FOR GETTING MORE STAFF IN HIS OFFICE.
THANK YOU ALSO FOR FIXING UP THE HARBOR PATROL BOATS.
I DON'T THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT, BUT THEY LOOK GREAT.
THEY'RE REALLY ACTIVE, AND THEY WILL BE DOING A GREAT JOB AS THE HARBOR GETS BUSIER AND BUSIER, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> WHEN THE BOAT RAMP COMES IN, IT LOOKS LIKE I THINK THE DECISION IS WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE HOIST.
IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS THERE, DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND WHAT THE HOIST COSTS US A YEAR?
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>> NOT REALLY. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, WE SPENT ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS REPAIRING THAT.
>> I KNEW IT'S NON RECURRING, SO IT'S HARD TO SAY.
>> LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. I'M HOPING NO, MEANING WE WON'T HAVE TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE INTO IT BETWEEN NOW AND ACTUAL RAMP EXECUTION.
BUT ON AN OPERATING BASIS, IT'S JUST NOT THAT HEAVILY USED.
I THINK AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT WITH OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FIRM.
IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL LINE ITEM.
BUT THOSE ADD UP AND WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH OUR CHANGE IN OUR LITTLE PARKING ATTENDANT PROGRAM DOWN THERE.
IF WE CAN SHED A FEW OF THOSE MOLD EXPENSES, THOSE WILL ACCRUE TO A BETTER BOTTOM LINE FOR A LONGER TERM.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
>> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THE THINGS I WOULD SUGGEST, WE CAN SUBCOMMITTEE THIS OR DISCUSS THE MORE.
MOONSTONE PARK IS ALWAYS OUT THERE, SOMEWHAT FUNDED, PROBABLY NOT ADEQUATELY FUNDED.
THEN I'D PICK OFF SOMETHING ELSE FROM THE AMENITIES PLAN.
THAT PARKING LOT IS STARTING TO LOOK GREAT.
YOU GUYS ARE RESURFACING IT, NEW LIGHTS ON THE TREES, NEW SIGN,.
>> WELL, TO OUR PARTNER AND ALLEN AND HIS TEAM.
IT'S BEEN A COLLECTIVE EFFORT THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL IN HELPING US EXECUTE THAT PROJECT.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED SPACE.
>> YEAH, SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING I COULD PICK THAT WE COULD PICK OFF FROM THE AMENITIES PLAN SOME NODES, SOME WAVE FINDING, SOME BENCHES, PLANTERS, EXTEND THE STUFF WE'RE ALREADY DOING AN INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK.
JUST SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME DOWN THERE, THEY GO, WOW.
>> YEAH, LOTS OF LITTLE STUFF.
THERE'S A FEW CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING THAT I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE THE ACCOUTERMENTS ARE MATTERING.
YOU'LL SEE OUR ELECTRONIC DIRECTORY SIGNS ARE GOING TO START TO GO IN.
WE'VE GOT OUR FIRST PILOT SIGN READY TO GO IN DOWN AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE PIER HERE FAIRLY SOON.
I KNOW THEY WERE STING THE BOARD AND IT LOOKS GOOD.
IF THAT ONE WORKS WELL AND HOLDS UP IN THE ELEMENTS, WE'LL ORDER A FEW MORE.
THAT'LL REPLACE THE OLD STATIC DIRECTORIES THAT WE'VE HAD DOWN THERE THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY OUT OF DATE FOR NOW FOR YEARS, UNFORTUNATELY.
>> WE HAVE SEEN ALSO THAT THERE'S AN APP THAT I THINK THE PEER ASSOCIATION RUNS.
THERE IS ALREADY SOMETHING ON THE PHONES.
>> WHICH IS GREAT, AND THOSE WILL, I THINK WORK BETTER IN PARTNERSHIP.
>> I WAS CURIOUS DO WE HAVE FUNDING FOR THE HARBOR MASTER THEN IF?
>> WE HAVE FUNDING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, AND I KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THE PROGRAM IS, AND IT IS ONE OF OUR CHARGES TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN [INAUDIBLE] WE CALL IT ADDING THAT TO OUR CORE BUDGET.
WE DO ONE TIME FUNDS TO TEST FOR PILOT PROGRAMS WHEN THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, I SEEK TO ADD THEM TO THE CORE BUDGET SO WE CAN SUSTAIN THEM.
I KNOW HOW WELL RECEIVED THE HARBOR MASTER'S BEEN.
I KNOW THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE.
ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, I'M ALL EARS TONIGHT, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO ABSORB THAT INTO OPERATIONS GOING FORWARD.
>> THAT'D BE GREAT. I JUST ECHO WHAT ROGER SAID, ANYTHING LOW HANGING FRUIT.
I'D LOVE TO SEE FORWARD MOVEMENT ON THE EDUCATION FACILITY, OF COURSE, YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS-.
>> BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BRING MORE PEOPLE DOWN HERE.
HOPEFULLY, YOU SAID SALES TAX OWES FLAT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT'S INCREASING BECAUSE THE LEASES ARE WHERE WE ARE SEEING.
>> WELL, WHEN I SAY SALES TAX, JUST SO I CAN BE CLEAR, I MEAN CITYWIDE, AND WHILE SALES TAX IS IMPORTANT TO THE WATERFRONT, AND IT ACCRUES TO THE GENERAL FUND BOTTOM LINE, IT'S A PART OF A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE.
OUR SALES TAX LEAKAGE, NOT THAT THIS WOULD COME AS A SURPRISE, IS PRIMARILY OCCURRING AT THE SOUTH BAY GALLERIA SITE.
THAT'S A SHOPPING CENTER THAT USED TO GENERATE SOMEWHERE 40-60% OF OUR ANNUAL GENERAL FUND SALES TAX AND IS NOW DOWN TO THE 10-20% RANGE.
WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS IN RIVERA VILLAGE.
WE'VE HAD A GOOD UPTICK IN THE WATERFRONT WITH NEW RESTAURANTS, NEW HOTELS, ETC, UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN IT COMES TO BIG BOX RETAIL, GENERAL COMMODITY GOOD PURCHASES, WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT INVENTORY FOR THAT IN THE CITY OUTSIDE OF OUR NORTHEAST QUADRANT, IF YOU WILL.
WHILE THE MARKETPLACE AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT TOTAL WINE AND ULTRA BEAUTY AND LIVING SPACES AND THAT SPROUTS.
THAT'S DOING FAIRLY WELL, TARGETS.
IT'S ONE OF THE TARGETS THE HIGHEST PERFORMING STORES.
THE OLD GALLERY IS, AS WE ALL KNOW, QUITE TIRED AND NEEDS TO REFRESH.
WE'RE HOPING TO SEE THAT IMPROVED, BUT SPECIFIC TO YOUR CONCERN IN THE LANDS AND [INAUDIBLE], YES.
WE ARE GROWING, WE ARE IMPROVING.
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WE JUST HAVEN'T ECLIPSED THAT LEVER POINT YET TO MIRROR OUR EXPENSES.>> THAT'S ALL FROM ME EXCEPT FOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS, AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK, WHICH IS GREAT.
ANYTHING WE DO TO CONTINUE TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT IT'S FANTASTIC.
>> YOU ALL ARE OUR BEST AMBASSADORS FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN THE WATERFRONT.
YOU KNOW IT BETTER THAN EVERYBODY, SO YEAH, APPRECIATE THAT.
>> THANKS AGAIN. I CAN ECHO A LOT OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID ALREADY, BUT AS FAR AS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, I GUESS THE THINGS I WOULD LOOK FOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A MORE DETAILED GANT CHART OF THE AMENITIES PLAN HAD LIKE THE SHORT TERM MID TERM, LONG TERM.
WE'VE TACKLED A LOT OF THE SHORT TERM, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH MORE AND SEEING WHAT CAN WE TACKLE NEXT YEAR? SOME OF IT IS LOW HANGING FRUIT.
SOME OF IT IS MAYBE PIECES OF SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A BIT LONGER LIKE PROMENADE AND NODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE SOME INVESTMENT IN THOSE AREAS TO MOVE THOSE ALONG SHORT TERM THINGS.
>> THE TIMING IS GOOD BECAUSE IN OUR APRIL MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE STRAP PLAN AND WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.
WE'LL PROBABLY GO INTO A LOT OF THOSE SHORT TERM GOALS IN THE AMENITIES PLAN AND TRY TO PINPOINT SOME OF THOSE.
WE CAN CORRELATE THIS BUDGET DISCUSSION WITH THE STRAP PLAN DISCUSSION NEXT TIME.
>> ONE THING I'D INTERJECT ON IS IT WILL BE IMPORTANT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE MOMENTUM.
I THINK YOU ALL AGREE WITH IT. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE MOMENTUM ON THE BOAT LAUNCH.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE MOMENTUM ON SEASIDE LAGOON, AND WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE MOMENTUM ON OUR PARKING SEISMIC UPGRADES FOR FUND FACTORY.
BUT WHAT COMES COMPLIMENTARY TO THAT IS OUR RE EMPHASIS ON LEASING OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT WILL COME WHEN THOSE AMENITIES ARE BETTER UNDERSTOOD, PARTICULARLY THE SITE PLAN FOR THE BOAT RAMP, THINGS LIKE MAYBE A POSSIBLE MARKET HALL DOWN AT THE END OF MLD, RECYCLING OF THE TENANT, AS YOU SAID AT THE FUN FACTORY SITE, WE HAVE PAD 2, STILL UP ON THE HORSESHOE PIER, THAT IT CAN BE LEASED.
WE'VE GOT TURNOVER POTENTIALLY OCCURRING OUT ON MONSTAD PIER AND OTHER PLACES.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT BANDWIDTH TO FOCUS ON THE COMMERCIAL RELEASING SIDE BECAUSE PARTNERING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS GOING TO HELP US SEE THOSE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AND INVESTMENTS GET MADE AS WELL.
WE WANT TO KEEP SOME OF THAT PARTNERSHIP VIBE A PRIORITY GOING INTO THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TOO.
IT'S A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY FOR OUR TEAM HERE.
EVERYBODY, ALL FOUR OF THEM ARE DEEPLY INVOLVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PUSH IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE PUMP STATION THAT IS HALTED.
IS THAT GOING TO CAUSE AN EXTRA CHUNK OF MONEY FOR US TO JUST EXECUTE THAT WHILE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> GOD QUESTION. THANKFULLY, IT'S A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE.
THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH OUR SEWER FUND WASTEWATER FUND.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE HARD UPLANDS OF TILES.
IT AFFECTS THE APPEARANCE AND THE OPERATIONS DOWN AND WE DESPERATELY WANT TO SEE IF THAT PROJECT CONCLUDED.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE PORTOFINO PUMP STATION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS UNDERGROUND WORK IS DONE, WE'RE NOW ABOVE GROUND WITH THE ACTUAL VERTICAL STRUCTURE.
I THINK WE'RE NEARING THE END OF THAT PROJECT, WHICH IS SUPER IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE HALTED THE WORK AT YA CLUB, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PATH FORWARD.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFICULTY DEALING WITH THE DEWATERING REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO SORT THROUGH HOW BEST TO PROCEED, BUT THE FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS TO GETTING THAT PORTOFINO STATION BUILT AND ONLINE AND GETTING OUT OF THAT SPACE.
>> LISA, WE'LL START DOWN HERE WITH YOU.
>> SOME MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE HARBOR MASTER.
HIS MONTHLY EMAIL THAT HE SENDS OUT WITH THE NEWSLETTER, YES, HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED.
I PASS IT ON TO LOTS OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE CONTACT INFORMATION AND THE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO SIGN UP FOR THE ALERTS.
IT'S JUST BEEN A REALLY GOOD THING, AND I'VE GOTTEN GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SENT IT TO.
ALSO, I'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK, MAYBE NOT SO HAPPY, BUT GOOD ABOUT THE NEW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON DOWN IN THE HARBOR.
PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YES, IT'S NOT REALLY PERSONALLY, VERY FUN, BUT WE'RE GLAD TO SEE IT HAPPENING BECAUSE IT'S OVERDUE. THANK YOU.
>> OUR GOAL ALWAYS IS COMPLIANCE THAT'S WHAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CHEVRON COKER MONEY FOR MOONSTONE PARK AND THE UPDATING AND FIXING UP OF MOONSTONE PARK.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE?
>> NOT NEXT YEAR. MOONSTONE [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO BE A FEW YEARS OUT
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UNLESS WE IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO CATCH UP ON THE BACKLOG OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.BUT IT HAS REMAINED ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM SCHEDULE, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP IT THERE OUT OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS.
WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT PROJECT IS, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT DONE.
WE JUST HAVE TO GET THERE, BE FUNDED AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
>> IS THAT MONEY EFFECTIVELY GONE?
>> IT WAS PART OF THE TIDELANDS FUND BALANCE.
IT'S PLEDGED AS AN OUT YEAR CAPITAL PROJECT, SO IT WILL BE AVAILABLE AGAIN.
IT'S JUST NOT IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE IN THE FUND.
IN PART, BECAUSE OF THE STRESS OF THE FUND OVERALL.
>> WELL, EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING, SO I'VE GOT NOTHING FURTHER TO ASK.
>> MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT MOONSTONE FUND IS WITH 33% INFLATION OVER THE YEARS.
IF WE HAD 2 MILLION TO START WITH, WE'RE NOW DOWN TO 1,000,004.
THE BUYING POWER AND THE PURCHASING POWER OF THAT IS I SEE IT JUST LIKE SAND IN AN HOUR GLASS DISSIPATING.
IF WE'RE LENDING IT TO THE TIDESLAND, CAN WE GET INTEREST ON IT?
>> WELL, SADLY, RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE LENDING IS REALLY COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE TITLE IN GENERAL JUST TO MANAGE OPERATIONS.
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, WHEREAS, WHEN I THINK WHEN WE FIRST RECEIVED THAT MONEY, AT 2.4 MILLION, WHATEVER IT WAS AT THE TIME, WE FELT LIKE, OH, MY GOODNESS, THIS IS MORE MONEY THAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH FOR LITTLE MOONSTONE PARK.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WE'RE THAT'S TO YOUR POINT AND YOUR ANALOGY, THAT'S FLIPPED.
IT'S DISAPPOINTING. I WILL GET THERE EVENTUALLY, I HAVE FAITH.
WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL THE LAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED, AND WE HAVE BEEN COMMITTED AND VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE EXECUTING ON, AND THAT GOES TO ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT, GOES TO STAFF AND THEIR WORK AND A DEDICATED PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, BUT WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS BECAUSE OF THAT FOCUS.
I'M HOPEFUL THAT YEAR FROM NOW, WE'RE THE BOAT RAMP AND THE LAGOON ARE STARTING TO TURN THE PAGE.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY THEN TO TURN OUR FOCUS TO THE NEXT TASK, WHICH MOONSTONE IS RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE, IT'S NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
ANY OTHER LAST THOUGHTS? WELL, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND GIVING US A HEADS UP SO WE CAN GET OUR COMMITTEE TOGETHER.
>> THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
APPRECIATE WORK WITH YOU. WATERFRONT, GOING TO BE ANOTHER GOOD YEAR.
>> IT'D BE EASIER TO DO IT NOW.
>> IF YOU GUYS WANT TO FORM ONE TO DO A LETTER?
>> ABSOLUTELY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW IDEA.
ANYBODY INTERESTED IN CHAIRING IT? YOUR IDEA.
>> WE'VE GOT ONE. WE NEED TWO MORE.
LISA, YOU'RE REALLY GOOD WITH NUMBERS [LAUGHTER].
IT'S A REALLY EASY SUBCOMMITTEE.
>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT LISA AND I ARE THE NEWEST HERE, SO MAYBE SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT LESLIE.
>> WE GOT LESLIE, AND WE ALSO HAVE BASE A BOILER PLATE OF THE PAST LETTERS THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN.
YOU CAN SEE MAYBE THE LAST THREE YEARS, WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND SO ON.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE REINVENTING THE WHEEL.
I KNOW LEE IS REALLY GOOD WITH NUMBERS.
>> THERE WE GO. IS EVERYBODY AMENABLE TO THESE THREE? WE HAVE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE.
I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE MEETING FIRST, BUT MAYBE WAITING UNTIL AFTER OUR STRAP PLAN DISCUSSION.
>> COULD WE HAVE STAFF SEND THE LAST THREE BUDGET LETTERS FROM THE HARVARD COMMISSION TO THESE THREE SO THEY CAN REVIEW THEM BEFORE THEY MEET?
>> GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT WAY, THEY'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE EX PARTE REVEALS.
NOW WE'RE READY FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[J. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ANY EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR[00:30:04]
A RESTAURANT USE AND A COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL CLUB USE ON PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN A COASTAL COMMERCIAL CC3 ZONE IN THE COASTAL ZONE.I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE STEPHEN JANG, SENIOR PLANNER WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE OUR TWO APPLICANTS HERE, ALLEN SANFORD AND JEFF JONES, WE ARE BOTH PARTNERS ON THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB PROJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHY WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR A THIRD TIME.
IF YOU RECALL IN 2022, THE INITIAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED BY THIS GROUP.
THEN A SUBSEQUENT AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023.
THAT WAS BECAUSE OF SOME DESIGN CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MADE.
WE'RE BACK HERE TONIGHT REALLY TO MEMORIALIZE THE COMMERCIAL RECREATION CLUB ASPECT OF IT.
IF YOU RECALL, THIS GROUP TALKED ABOUT THAT USE QUITE A BIT IN DELIBERATION, BUT FOR SOME REASON, IT NEVER WAS CAPTURED IN THE RESOLUTION.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS IN THE RESOLUTION, AND IT IS AN APPROVED USE.
THAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND THE BIG ONE TONIGHT.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, BOTH THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN UTILIZED AS RESTAURANT USES ON AND OFF AGAIN.
DIFFERENT OPERATORS, DIFFERENT CUPS HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR.
THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IS THAT THEY STAY WITH THE LAND.
ONCE THEY'RE APPROVED, THEY'RE THERE.
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY CUPS ACTIVE, YOU'VE GOT THAT MANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO ABIDE BY.
WHAT WE LEARNED WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AFTER THIS GROUP APPROVED THE USE PERMITS WAS DECIPHERING ALL OF THOSE OLD CONDITIONS WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR OUR PLANNING STAFF OR OUR BUILDING AND SAFETY STAFF.
REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS EXPUNGE ALL OF THOSE OLD CUP SO THAT THIS ONE AND THE ONE THAT WE'RE USING IS TRULY THE ONLY REMAINING CUP THAT'S ACTIVE.
IT'S COMMON PRACTICE IN THE PLANNING WORLD THAT WHEN A NEW CUP COMES, YOU EXPUNGE THE OLD ONE, THAT JUST WASN'T DONE OVER THE YEARS, SO WE'RE DOING IT NOW PLAYING A LITTLE CATCH UP.
IN ADDITION, WE'VE ADDED A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO THE ANCILLARY EQUIPMENT RENTAL PORTION OF THE CLUB USE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING CITYWIDE RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS A LITTLE AHEAD OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT WE WANT TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE AND WE'RE DRAFTING THAT ORDINANCE NOW THAT ESSENTIALLY PUTS AND PLACES THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING TONIGHT INTO AN ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY IN THE MARINA.
WHETHER YOU HAVE A LEGAL BUSINESS OR NOT, AND THERE'S SOME ILLEGAL ONES OUT THERE, THAT IF YOU VIOLATE ANY ONE OF THESE ISSUES, THE HARBOR PATROL CAN ACTUALLY FIND YOU.
WE HAVE NO TEETH WITH OUR REGULATIONS.
THE ILLEGAL OPERATORS SIMPLY NEED TO APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
NOBODY REALLY HAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IN FACT, WE'RE WORKING ON A COMPREHENSIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ALL IN BASIN THREE.
ALL OF THOSE OPERATORS, THE WHALE WATCHERS, THE FISHING VESSELS, THE CLASS BOAT BOTTOM, NONE OF THOSE HAVE CUPS, WE'RE TRYING TO MEMORIALIZE THAT.
IT WAS JUST OVERLOOKED ALL THESE YEARS.
THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE VERY SIMILAR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE REVIEWING THOSE CONDITIONS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SEEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND FOR EVERY SINGLE OPERATOR THAT ENDS UP COMING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
THAT'S THE BACKSTORY. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO STEPHEN TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE CUP ITSELF, AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT OUR APPLICANTS HERE TOO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS STEPHEN.
I'M PRESENTING THIS ITEM TONIGHT.
THE SUBJECT SITE AT 239 AND 245 NORTH HARBOR DRIVE CONTAINS TWO EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED AS A RESTAURANT FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE ABOUT 11,124 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITH PLENTY OF OUTDOOR DINING AND SEATING AREAS.
THE PARKING LOT, WHICH THE BUILDINGS SERVE CONTAINS A TOTAL OF 719 PARKING SPACES.
HOWEVER, THE USES THEMSELVES ONLY REQUIRE 357 SPACES.
IN ADDITION TO THE APPROVED THE PROPOSED USE, AS GREG MENTIONED, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO EXPUNGE THE PREVIOUS NINE CUPS FOR THE PROJECT SITE SO THAT ONLY THE MOST RECENT CUP REMAINS.
IN DOING SO, IT WILL HELP WITH FUTURE CONFUSION AND WILL REDUCE OPERATION OR REDUCE THE CONFUSION WITH PERMITTING AND PLANNING RELATED MATTERS.
THE SITE THEMSELVES, THE SITE ITSELF IS ZONE CC3, WHICH IS COASTAL COMMERCIAL.
THE USES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST IS ALSO ZONE CC3.
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THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONE CC4, AND SEASIDE LAGOON IS ZONE PR PO, WHICH IS PARKS, RECREATION, AND OPEN SPACE.>> THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT USE AND A COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE.
THE NORTH BUILDING AT 245 NORTH HARBOR DRIVE IS THE PUBLIC-FACING RESTAURANT THAT ANYONE CAN USE OR PATRON, THE COMMERCIAL RECREATION CLUB USE, WOULD OCCUPY 2239 NORTH HARBOR DRIVE, AND IT'S ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO PATRONS THAT PAY FOR A MEMBERSHIP VIA DAY PASSES, MONTHLY PASSES OR ANNUAL PASSES.
IT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE REPRIEVE FROM THE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY IN THE OCEAN, SWIMMERS, BOATERS, KAYAKERS, ETC., CAN UTILIZE THE COMMERCIAL CLUB AND TAKE A BREAK FROM THE WATER.
PAID MEMBERSHIP INCLUDES THE USE OF AMENITIES LIKE THE DINING AREAS, OUTDOOR DECKS, THE CONFERENCE ROOMS, GAME ROOM, ART ROOM, ETC.
A PORTION OF THE COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL CLUB USE.
BUSINESS MODEL INCLUDES THE RENTAL /LOAN, OR FREE LOAN OF RECREATIONAL EQUIPMENT SUCH AS KAYAKS, CANOES, AND STAND-UP PADDLE BOARDS.
THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE EQUIPMENT RENTAL WOULD RUN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESTAURANT USE.
ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HAVE BEEN ADDED THAT PROHIBIT NIGHTTIME RENTALS AND LOANS AND INCLUDES OTHER REGULATIONS TO IMPROVE OVERALL SAFETY.
ON THIS SITE PLAN, THE INTENDED, PROPOSED AREA FOR STORAGE IS GOING TO BE THE LITTLE RED RECTANGLE ON THE TOP LEFT OF THE SITE PLAN.
ADDITIONALLY, NO STRUCTURAL CHANGES ARE PROPOSED WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE A USE CHANGE AND MINOR CHANGE IN THE AREA FOR STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT [NOISE].
BASED ON THE FINDINGS, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE PROJECT MEETS THE FINDINGS BY FACILITATING ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT AREAS FOR LEISURE AND RECREATIONAL USE FOR THE PUBLIC, THAT THERE WILL BE NO SIGNIFICANT NOISE IMPACTS PROPOSED BY THE USE, THAT THE SITE IS ADEQUATE IN TERMS OF PARKING AND ACCESSIBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE AREA WILL NOT BE IMPEDED BY THIS PROPOSED USE.
AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HARBOR COMMISSION MAKE THE FINDINGS AS SET FORTH IN THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION, ADOPT THE EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SUBJECT TO THE PLANS AND APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND RESOLUTION.
THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION, WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT DOING THIS NOW IS, IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE LAST AMENDMENT, WE WERE STILL PRETTY UNSURE ABOUT THE PARKING.
WE KNEW THAT THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGES WERE STAYING THE SAME.
WE WEREN'T REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THERE BEING A LACK OF PARKING, BUT SINCE THAT LAST MEETING, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THE PARKING STUDY RELATED TO THE BOAT LAUNCH, AND WE'VE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF PARKING IN THAT LOT.
SO NOW THAT OVERALL QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING OUT THERE TO SUBSTANTIATE ALL THE USES HAS BEEN LAID TO REST.
NOW, WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT SUPPLY THAT SURPLUS.
SEASIDE LAGOON IS GOING TO EXPAND IN ITS USE, HOPEFULLY, AND IT'S BECOMING A YEAR ROUND VENUE.
THEN OF COURSE, THE BOAT LAUNCH ITSELF IS GOING TO CARVE INTO THAT SURPLUS AS WELL.
BUT WE'RE POSITIONED WELL, AND WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
LISA, SHALL WE START WITH YOU?
OH, BOY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT.
THE VISITOR SERVING COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE IS THE DAY RENTAL.
THE MONTH. I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS FOR THEIR MEMBERS, BUT THIS INDICATES THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THE RENTALS AVAILABLE TO VISITORS.
>> MEMBER BEING YOU'VE PAID TO BE ADMITTED?
>> RIGHT. A DAY PASS WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO A VISITOR WHO WAS [INAUDIBLE]?
>> CORRECT. THEY'D HAVE TO PAY TO GET IN, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS FOR THE RENTALS.
>> ALL RIGHT. THEN IT MENTIONED KAYAKS, SURFBOARDS, STAND UP PADDLE BOARDS, CANOES, AND OTHER CRAFT THAT CAN BE LAUNCHED BY HAND, BUT SURFBOARDS AREN'T ALLOWED IN THE HARBOR.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT? LEE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO.
THAT'S A GREAT POINT, AND SURFBOARDS AREN'T A PART OF THE BUSINESS MODEL, I CONFIRMED WITH THE APPLICANT TODAY.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT CONDITION OF APPROVAL NUMBER 16, WE ACTUALLY STRIKE THE WORD SURFBOARD.
>> OKAY. ALSO ON THEIR DRAWING, THEY HAVE OPEN SHOWERS AND SURFBOARD LOCKERS,
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WHICH, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE JUST STORING THEM IN THE LOCKER THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE WATER.THEN I REALLY LIKED THE SAFETY THINGS.
INCLUDED. THOSE ARE EXCELLENT.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WENT INTO THAT.
>> WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE CREATED THOSE BIOS WAS A HUGE LIFT ON MO'S PART, BUT WE CREATED THOSE TO ISSUE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT FOR ALL OF THE EXISTING OPERATORS IN BASIN THREE WHILE WE WORK ON THE PERMANENT CUP SOLUTION.
WE WERE ABLE TO BORROW FROM THOSE ESSENTIALLY AND JUST TAILOR THEM TO BE SPECIFIC TO CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB.
>> I DID WONDER ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT, THEY HAD EACH VESSEL REQUIRES A CERTIFICATE OF INSPECTION.
>> CORRECT. BECAUSE THERE IS A RULE THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE LEASH AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A STICKER THAT SAYS SOME APPLICABLE PHONE NUMBERS LIKE THE HARBOR MASTER.
I THINK THERE'S A MAP THAT IS BEYOND THOSE TWO.
>> OKAY. THAT INSPECTION WILL BE FOR THOSE REQUIREMENTS?
>> I GOT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME QUESTIONS [LAUGHTER] I TALKED TO GREG ABOUT EARLIER.
>> OKAY. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER CARLSON.
>> FIRST, I INTEND TO JOIN THE CLUB AND HAVE JOINED THE CLUB.
PERHAPS I SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF FROM A VOTE OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE.
>> I THINK BECAUSE THIS PERTAINS TO ALL THE OPERATORS, NOT JUST THIS?
>> NO. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RENTAL CONDITIONS OF PER [OVERLAPPING]?
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT COMMISSIONER CARLSON RECUSING HIMSELF BECAUSE HE'S BECOME A MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB?
>> IT'S DEFINITELY YOUR PREROGATIVE.
I WOULD SAY ALL OF US HAVE PATRONIZED THE RESTAURANTS DOWN THERE, AND THEY COME IN AND I'M ALWAYS TROUBLED BY THIS. RIGHT.
>> YEAH. I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE MORE RESTAURANTS IN THE HARBOR.
[LAUGHTER] I WILL GO TO THEM. IF YOU'RE I'VE SAID IT, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS GOES AND HOW CONTROVERSIAL.
>> WE DON'T NEED YOUR VOTE, YOU COULD RECUSE YOURSELF.
>> BUT NOW, A COMMENT ON INSPECTION OF [INAUDIBLE].
THIS TROUBLED ME TOO WITH THE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT AND THE THINGS WE USED TO DO TO OLYMPUS.
BECAUSE I'LL PICK ON OLYMPUS INSTEAD OF THESE GUYS.
WITH OLYMPUS AND JEREMY, HE'S NOT A BRICK AND MORTAR, HE'S NOT PAYING ALL THE TAXES THAT PADDLE HAUS IS.
BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY IDEAL APPLICANT WHO HAS A PRESENCE IN THE HARBOR, HAS A PRESENCE ON THE WATER, DOES A LOT OF TRAINING, IS RENTING SUPS OR WAS, TO PEOPLE VERY HANDS ON, COMPARED TO DIVAN SURF, IT DROPS THEM OFF IN A VAN, AND GOES AWAY.
RECENTLY, THEY HAD TWO GUYS GO OUT IN A KAYAK AND WHERE'S DIVAN SURF? THEY'RE BACK IN A VAN BACK AT THEIR SHOP.
THEY DON'T HAVE A PRESENCE ON THE WATER, THE WAY JEREMY WOULD OR THE WAY THESE GUYS WOULD, OR LET'S GO TO SPYDER UP IN HERMOSA.
THEY'RE NOT ON SITE. THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE SOMETHING TO A GUY OR REI UP IN MANHATTAN BEACH UP ON ROSE KRANTZ. WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM? THE GOOD APPLICANTS WHO HAVE A PRESENCE HERE AND ARE ON THE WATER TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, I CAN SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE GLASS BOTTOM OF BOY, CHASING HIS PADDLE CRAFT AROUND.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENT IN THE HARBOR AND SEEING THESE PADDLE CRAFT GO OUT, WE PUT BURDEN ON THEM.
THEN SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN, DROP SOMETHING OFF WITH A GUY ON THE ROOF AND SAYS, SEE YOU.
THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE HARBOR IN THE BREAK WALL.
> GETTING RESCUED. I'M A LITTLE TROUBLED BY THE BURDEN WE PUT ON PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME GRAY ONES THAT WILL HOPEFULLY PICK UP, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME WE'LL NEVER GET.
WHAT I'LL SAY IS THIS IS STEP TWO OF A THREE-STEP PROCESS.
FIRST STEP WAS THE TUP WHERE WE CREATED THESE CONDITIONS.
THIS IS, I WOULD SAY IN CORRELATION WITH PHASE TWO, WHICH IS GETTING THE EXISTING OPERATORS WITH ACTIVE CUPS WITH THESE CONDITIONS FOR SAFETY.
THE THIRD ONE IS THAT ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO APPLY TO EVERYBODY AND ANYBODY.
IF YOU DIVE SURF COMES IN AND DROPS OFF THEIR EQUIPMENT AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING,
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AND DOESN'T ABIDE BY THESE RULES AND REGS, IT'S A FINABLE OFFENSE. WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE, BUT THE ORDINANCE IS THE PERMANENT FIX FOR THE BAD PLAYERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SOMEONE LIKE THIS APPLICANT OR PADDLE HAUS OR SOME OF OUR BRICK AND MORTARS, WHO ARE ALWAYS GOING TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
THIS IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY WILL.
>> BUT YOU STILL HAVE A LOOPHOLE OF JUST, SOMEBODY DRIVING UP?
>> I JUST WORRY THIS IS LIKE, THE LEAF FLOOR BAN, WHICH IS ONE MORE RULE ON THE BOOKS.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IS THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATIONAL DEPARTMENT NOW USE WATER.
THEY USE HIGH PRESSURE WATER JETS TO SWEEP UP LEAVES INSTEAD OF LEAF FLOWERS.
RIGHT. BUT ON MY STREET, THERE'S STILL LEAF FLOWERS.
MAYBE I SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF, BUT I'M TROUBLED BY THE BURDEN WE'RE PUTTING ON THE GOOD ACTORS, WHILE WE STILL HAVE OTHER PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF TOWN DOING THE SAME STUFF.
IT'S KIND OF UNENFORCEABLE, EXCEPT ON THE GOOD ACTORS WHO HAVE A PRESENCE HERE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A COP AT THE HAND LAUNCH.
>> NO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE STATIONED THERE.
>> COMMISSIONER CARLSON, THERE'S SORT OF TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO THIS.
IS PUTTING IT IN THE COP, YOU HAVE TO GET THE INSPECTION, EVERYTHING, AND THEN THERE'S A REQUIREMENT.
IF YOU'RE ON AN SUP, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A PERSONAL FLOTATION DEVICE WITH YOU, WHICH IS ACTUALLY US COAST GUARD REQUIREMENT.
EVEN IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, IT'S STILL A REQUIREMENT.
WE CAN ALSO SAY YOU HAVE TO WEAR A LEASH, WHICH I DO NOT THINK IS A COAST GUARD REQUIREMENT.
WE CAN PUT THAT IN A LOT. THERE'S THAT.
THEN THERE'S A, WE'RE GOING TO GO DO AN INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A LEASH AND THE STICKERS ON THE SUP.
I THINK IT'S THE LADDER THAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S THE BURDEN THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON.
I ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEWHAT OF THAT SAME CONCERN.
MY CAR IS REQUIRED TO HAVE BRAKE LIGHTS AT WORK.
NOBODY HAS EVER INSPECTED MY CAR AND GIVEN ME A CERTIFICATE THAT SAYS, YOUR CAR IS LEGAL FOR THE ROAD.
I MEAN, THE CONCEPT OF MY VEHICLE AS IT WAS BUILT WAS BUT NOTHING FOR MY SPECIFIC VEHICLE.
I WONDER IF JUST SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE THINGS IS GOOD ENOUGH, AND YOU CAN ENFORCE THAT RATHER THAN SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO GO GET IT BECAUSE I CAN GIVE YOU A CERTIFICATE.
YOUR PALLET BOARDS GOT A LEASH ON IT.
TWO WEEKS LATER, IF THE LEASH IS GONE OR IT BREAKS OR SOMETHING.
>> THE CAR IS A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE CAR RENTAL COMPANIES IN TOWN, AND, DO WE PUT EXTRA BURDEN ON THEM OR, OVERLOOK WHAT THE DMV ALREADY DOES? BIKE RENTAL, THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
I KIND OF HATE PUTTING UNENFORCEABLE RULES AND BURDENING THE GOOD ACTORS THAT ARE ALREADY TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AND GROW THE HARBOR.
>> BUT IT'S GOING TO BE AN ORDINANCE THAT'S APPLICABLE CITYWIDE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
WHETHER YOU SAY YES OR NO TONIGHT AND REMOVE ALL THESE CONDITIONS.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I'LL BRING UP THEN TOO, AND I'LL PROBABLY LOSE THIS BATTLE, BUT WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE GUYS FROM TORRANCE?
>> BUT THE IDEA IS TO IMPROVE SAFETY OUT THERE, AND THE MORE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ABIDING BY IT, SO YOU'RE LIMITING THE ONES THAT ARE.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A FEW BAD PLAYERS, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THAT.
>> I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN AND I REALIZED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIT EVERYBODY, BUT THE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE ON THE WATER WHO HAVE A STICKER THAT SHOWS THEM NOT TO HANG OUT IN THE LANES OF TRAFFIC AND THAT HAVE A LEASH THAT HOPEFULLY THEY PUT AROUND THEIR ANKLE SO THAT WHEN THEY FALL OFF THE BOARD, IT DOESN'T SHOOT INTO THE LANES OF TRAFFIC.
I THINK THAT IS WORTH THE ONUS OF HAVING THE ORDINANCE AND HAVING A HARBOR PATROL OUT THERE.
NOT THAT THEY'RE INSPECTING EVERYBODY, BUT LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE SAFE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE THAT AREN'T SAFE.
TO ME, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN HAVING TO GET MY CAR REGISTRATION OR HAVING TO GET MY SMOG CHECK OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S A CERTAIN MINIMUM EDUCATION THAT I THINK BOATERS DON'T GET.
THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE CHECKING TO SEE IF I HAVE MY BOATER'S LICENSE, EITHER.
I DO, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE DON'T.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A BAD THING TO DO.
>> I THINK YOU'RE TALKING TWO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THINGS.
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I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS DISAGREEING WITH THE THING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THESE REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCES.I THINK WHERE THE QUESTION IS PUTTING THAT EXTRA BURDEN ON THIS BUSINESS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO AND GET A CERTIFICATE OF INSPECTION.
>> OKAY. ROGER, YOU'VE FINISHED?
>> YEAH, SORRY. THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH.
I LIKE THIS WAY THIS WAS WRITTEN.
I THINK IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE.
I LOVE THIS BUSINESS THAT'S COMING INTO THE HARBOR, SO I'M FULLY BEHIND IT.
YEAH, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> WHEN WE FIRST REVIEW THIS AND WAS IT 2022, LOVE ALL THE IDEAS AND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME.
MAYBE I WASN'T NAIVE, BUT AT THAT TIME, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRESENTED AS PARTS OF THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT WOULD BE, RENT, PRIVATE FUNCTION, WHATEVER, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE PUBLIC.
THEN IT CAME TO LIGHT LATER THAT NONE OF THIS WHOLE THING WAS GOING TO BE PRIVATE.
THE WHOLE CLUB OF THIS WHOLE THING BEING PRIVATIZED WASN'T TALKED ABOUT IN 2022, WE SPECIFICALLY WERE BANNING THE RENTAL OF SPS AND ALL OF THAT [NOISE].
JUST A POINT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT STATES IN HERE THAT ON PAGE 16, SEPTEMBER 11, 2023, WE ELIMINATED THAT PROHIBITION BECAUSE WE DID NOT AT THAT MEETING.
>> ON HAVING RENTABLE WATER RELATED EQUIPMENT.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING A DISCUSSION WHERE [OVERLAPPING] A FEW DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS, YEAH, WHERE IT WAS MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T GET INTO THE BUSINESS MODEL.
>> AT THAT TIME, IT WAS LIKE, WELL, CART BEFORE THE HORSE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO T'S LIKE PLAN, WE'LL TACKLE THAT LATER.
ANYHOW, JUST FOR THE NEWER MEMBERS, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PART OF THAT MEETING, NOR WAS THE PRIVATIZATION OF THE WHOLE THING.
MY ONLY THING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT PRIVATIZATION AND HAVING IT BE A CLUB THAT MEMBERSHIP AND ALL IS, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THE CITY TO HAVE PRESENTED SOMETHING THAT IS THERE ANY ONUS ON THE CITY TO SAY, HEY, WE HAD THIS PUBLIC RESTAURANT, AND NOW WE'RE PRIVATIZING IT IN SOME WAY JUST LIKE THE HARBOR, A CLUB OR SOMETHING THAT EXISTS.
I GUESS I WAS EXPECTING A PRESENTATION FROM THE CITY THAT SAYS, THIS IS.
>> YOU MEAN, IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE.
HISTORICALLY, THEY'VE BOTH BEEN RESTAURANT BUILDINGS.
ONE IS STAYING IN A RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY.
THE OTHER ONE IS TRANSITIONING TO WHAT WE CALL A COMMERCIAL RECREATION USE.
WE PUT CLUB AND PARENTHESES JUST TO BE SUPER CLEAR TO EVERYBODY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S NOTHING THE CITY HAS TO DO IN SAYING, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT SPACE THAT WAS PUBLIC, AND IT'S OKAY TO TURN IT INTO PRIVATE AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO THE HARBOR COMMISSION.
>> THAT'S THE POINT TONIGHT. IT'S A USED PERMIT.[OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT WHOLE POINT WAS IGNORED.
THERE WAS NO PRESENTATION ON THAT.
>> YEAH. OR UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
THE FINDINGS HAVE TO BE MADE THAT THE COMMERCIAL USE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES, THAT THERE'S NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS.
IT'S ALL IN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
IT WASN'T PRESENTED TO YOU, BUT IT IS IN YOUR BACKUP DOCUMENTATION.
>> THE FEW RULES OF COASTAL COMMISSION, ALL THAT STUFF. I GET.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU HEAR BACKLASH IN THE COMMUNITY OF THIS C A RESTAURANT, NOW IT'S GOING TO COST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO YOU REMEMBER.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IT IS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE OWE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, THIS IS BEEN CONSIDERED AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT.
THE ANALYSIS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ITS FINDINGS IS ALL THE CITY REALLY NEEDS TO DO FOR A USE LIKE THIS.
IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE FINDINGS FOR A CUP, STAFF DID ANALYZE IT AND THE USE DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A CUP IN THIS CASE.
THERE ISN'T AN EXTRA REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE QUOTE LIMITING OF THE PUBLIC ASPECT.
THE ANALYSIS IS PURELY ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CUP FINDINGS FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE MEET.
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IN THIS CASE, IT DOES.>> SOME THINGS ARE MORE BLACK AND WHITE, IT'S ZONED DIFFERENTLY.
BUT YET THIS IS STILL THE SAME ZONE.
IT'S SAME, BUT ITS USE IS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
>> I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT. IN THE C C-3 ZONE DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL RECREATION IS AN ALLOWED USE UNDER A CUP APPROVAL.
WHICH IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING WOULD BE FOR TO APPROVE THE CUP FOR THE COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE.
WHICH IN THIS CASE, WHY WE ADDED THE CLUB IN PARENTHESES IS TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE APPLICANT WHAT THE INTENTION OF THIS COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE IS.
>> WE THOUGHT WITHOUT THE CLUB IN PARENTHESES, IT WAS TOO VAGUE.
I DIDN'T CLEARLY IDENTIFY WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
>> SURE. I WANTED TO MAKE [LAUGHTER] SURE WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
IF ANYONE ELSE HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THAT.
PEOPLE CAN COMMENT ON THAT OR NOT, BUT SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTARY.
IT MENTIONS THE LAGOON IS ANTICIPATED TO BE REHABILITATED.
IS THERE SOME SIGNIFICANCE OF WHY THAT IS IN THERE?
IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO BOTH BUILDINGS.
WE DO EXPECT THAT THE USAGE OF SEASIDE LAGOON WILL RISE WITH OUR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPLICABLE TO PUT IT IN THERE.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FEED OFF EACH OTHER.
>> THEN IN REPLACING ALL OF THE PRIOR CUPS, I DIDN'T DO A AB COMPARISON OF ALL 15, 31 ITEMS. BUT WERE ANY OF THEM CHANGED OR WHICH ONES WERE CHANGED FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE OBVIOUSLY ALL THE RECREATIONAL ONES ARE NEW, BUT THE OTHER ONES, ARE THOSE ALL IDENTICAL FROM WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE?
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR CUPS.
WE DID TAKE OUT FOUR THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION THAT YOU GUYS SAW FOR CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT PERTAINED TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH.
SINCE THEY'RE PAST THAT, WE THOUGHT IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE IN THERE ANYMORE TO CLEAN THINGS UP.
IT WAS THINGS LIKE, YOUR BUILDING PERMITS SO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S FIRE SAFETY MECHANISMS IN THE BUILDING. THAT'S BEEN DONE.
THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SORTED OUT.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE.
>> THEY WERE CONSTRUCTION THINGS, NOT.
>> LIKE MAINTAINING THOSE AS WELL?
>> THEN TO ADD OTHER EXAMPLES OF CONDITIONS THAT WERE CHANGED WERE SQUARE FOOTAGE FIGURES THAT NO LONGER APPLY.
WAS MAINLY, A LOT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FIGURES GOT CHANGED OVER THE AMENDMENTS, AND SO WE REMOVED THE OLDER SQUARE FOOTAGE CALL OUTS BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTDATED AND DON'T APPLY ANYMORE.
WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE BRAND NEW ONES THAT ARE FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING AS IS.
>> THEN ITEM 21, IT SAYS NO RENTALS AT NIGHT.
>> IT'S UP TO YOU. IF YOU THINK WE NEED MORE CLARITY THERE.
>> I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT FOR OTHER, I GUESS, THOSE WERE NOISE THINGS.
>> THOSE WERE NOISE AND DELIVERIES.
>> IT PROBABLY ONLY PERTAINS TO HAVING THE VESSELS COME BACK IN BEFORE NIGHT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE LIGHTS. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M NOT.
>> DO YOU WANT US TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE?
>> IF NIGHT IS DUSK OR NIGHT OR SUNSET OR DO WE WANT TO CARE ABOUT THAT OR?
>> SAY AFTER SUNSET OR SOMETHING SUNSET.
>> SUNSETS A LITTLE MORE DESCRIPTIVE.
>> PEOPLE PROBABLY WANT TO BE OUT THERE AT SUNSET.
>> HALF HOUR AFTER SUNSET [LAUGHTER][OVERLAPPING].
>> SAY NO USAGE IS LIMITED TO HALF HOUR BEFORE SUNRISE UP TO HALF HOUR AFTER SUNSET.
>> I LIKE THAT ONE. BECAUSE THEN COAST GUARD RULES KICK IN, GOT TO HAVE A LIGHT.
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>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. THEN I WAS CURIOUS ON THE STICKER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE DIFFERENT OPERATORS VERSUS A PLACARD? I DON'T KNOW.
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO USE A STICKER PER SE.
YOU COULD DO A PLAQUE. YOU COULD DO ANYTHING THAT STICKS TO THE BOARD PERMANENTLY.
>> SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO BROADEN STICKER TO STICKER PLACARD.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC.
>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS.
>> THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS IN ITEM 26, IT MENTIONS, NO REPAIR OF BOATS, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE MEANT VESSEL.
BECAUSE UP TO THAT POINT, WE WERE USING THE WORD VESSEL, OR DID WE MEAN [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK IT WAS AN INTERCHANGE THERE.
VESSEL WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR CONSISTENCY.
>> BECAUSE AN SUP IS A VESSEL? NO.
>> PADDLE HOUSE RENTS BOARDS AT NIGHT.
ARE WE BEING INCONSISTENT OR PUTTING ANOTHER BURDEN ON [OVERLAPPING] SHOULDN'T BE PEOPLE.
>> IT'S A VERY NICE THING. THEY HAVE LIGHTS UNDERNEATH.
>> WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE A FANCY RESORT?
>> WATERFRONT EDUCATION CENTER DOES NIGHT-TIME KAYAK.
>> HOSTED AND LED BY A LEADER.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR SPECIAL.
>> THE SAME CONDITION THAT PROHIBITS NIGHT-TIME THAT WE'RE ADJUSTING FOR SUNRISE AND SUNSET HAS A SECOND SENTENCE.
EXCEPTIONS TO THIS REQUIREMENT MAY BE GRANTED IN WRITING ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BY THE HARBOR PATROL.
KURT ESSENTIALLY WOULD SIGN OFF ON IT, PROBABLY BE AWARE THAT THERE WAS SOME NIGHT-TIME ACTIVITY HAPPENING, AND DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER CONDITIONS COULD GRANT IT.
>> OR YOU COULD BE MORE GENERAL AND SAY, AND I THINK IT'S ALREADY IN HERE, FOLLOWING COAST GUARD REGULATIONS.
>> WHY ARE WE TRYING TO ADD REGULATIONS OVER THE COAST GUARD? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING [OVERLAPPING] CARS? CAN WE DRIVE CARS AT NIGHT NOW?
>> WHERE IT HAS ITEM 21 NIGHT, MAYBE THAT'S TO BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING COAST GUARD REGULATION, I CAN'T.
>> I'M TRYING TO LOOK UP THE COAST GUARD REGS [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT'S ONE WHITE LIGHT.
>> FOR A VESSEL THAT SIZE, IT'S USUALLY A SINGLE ALL AROUND WHITE LIGHT.
>> WHY IS THAT INADEQUATE? WHY ARE COAST GUARD REGULATIONS INADEQUATE FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING?
>> GREG, WHEN YOU CAME UP WITH THAT ITEM 21, WAS THERE ADDITIONAL MOTIVATION BESIDES [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT COULD SAY VESSEL RENTALS SHALL BE.
>> COMPLIANT WITH UNITED STATES COAST GUARD REGULATIONS.
>> IN THE INTEREST OF NOT BEING MORE OF A PAIN IN THE ASS, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY LANGUAGE AND FOR NEEDING TO USE THAT LANGUAGE ON MYSELF.
[NOISE] CAN WE SAY HERE THAT THIS APPLICANT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH HARBOR WIDE REGULATIONS? THEN WHEN WE ADDRESS THIS ANOTHER TIME AND I'M A PAIN IN THE BUTT AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT APPLIES TO, PADDLE HOUSE AND THESE GUYS AND EVERYONE ELSE.
INCLUDING THE YACHT CLUB RENTALS.
>> WAIT, SAY THAT AGAIN. [OVERLAPPING] SIMPLIFY THIS IF THIS WHOLE THING.
>> I WORRY THAT WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP WITH TWO OPPOSING REGULATIONS IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
[OVERLAPPING] I'D RATHER HAVE A POINTER HERE THAT SAYS, GO HERE OR COAST GUARD RULES APPLY OR SOMETHING.
WHEN WE HAVE THE CP DISCUSSION FOR BASIN THREE MARRY THEM UP?
>> BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OR RELATED TO.
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>> BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH COAST GUARD AND CITY ORDINANCES.
>> WHAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. WHAT'S THE TIMING?
>> THAT'S THE THING IS, THE ORDINANCE COULD TAKE 6-9 MONTHS TO TRAVERSE.
LET'S GO TO THIS GROUP, PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL AND PROBABLY REQUIRES AN LCP AMENDMENT.
>> WHEN ARE WE EXPECTING VESSEL RENTALS TO WANT TO START.
>> THIS POTENTIAL APPLICANT? IN APRIL. THEN OUR BASIN THREE OPERATORS ARE EXISTING.
WE'RE MEMORIALIZING THEIR ACTIVITY.
IF WE WAITED FOR THE ORDINANCE, WE'D HAVE ABOUT A YEAR OF GAP TIME WHERE THERE WAS NO REGULATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID WITH THIS MULTI-STEP SITUATION.
>> I'M WORRIED ABOUT WINDING UP WITH TWO DIFFERENT REGULATIONS IN TWO DIFFERENT POINT.
I COULD COME BACK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S PLEASE ADD, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE A LEAF BLOWER ON THESE RENTED SUPS.
[LAUGHTER] YOU'RE ALSO NOT ALLOWED TO MURDER ANYONE WHEN YOU'RE ON THESE SUPS.
BUT, WE ALSO HAVE LAWS AGAINST MURDER AND LEAF FLOWERS ALREADY. DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT?
>> SHOULD A CONDITION BE ADDED TO CLARIFY THAT ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS WILL BE SUPERSEDED BY CITY ORDINANCES OR THE COAST GUARD IF THEY CONFLICT?
>> THEN WE'RE WAITING FOR THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, THOUGH.
>> THIS ACTIVE UNTIL THE ORDINANCE THE PLAY AND THE COAST GUARD STILL HAVE AUTHORITY OVER ANY CONFLICTS IF THEY WERE TO COME UP.
>> THAT'S THE WAY TO PUT IT IN A NUTSHELL.
>> ONCE AN ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE, THAT ESSENTIALLY RULES ALL.
>> I WOULD ASK ONE QUESTION HERE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS IN HERE THAT'S START OF UNIQUE TO THE RENTAL SITUATION.
BECAUSE I HAVE A SUP THAT'S SITTING ON MY BOAT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A STICKER ON IT THAT TELLS ME WHAT'S THE SAFE AREAS OF THE HARBOR TO NAVIGATE IN.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE UNIQUE TO THE HARBOR.
IS GOING TO BE A COAST GUARD REGULATION.
I IMAGINE THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY PRIVATE SUP, SOMEBODY ON THE HARBOR HAS TO HAVE THE STICKER.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE UNIQUE TO RENTAL.
IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTAL ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE HARBOR.
ALTHOUGH YOU COULD I SUPPOSE YOU COULD ARGUE IN THIS CASE, SINCE IT'S A PRIVATE CLUB BUT GENERALLY WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE LESS LIKELY THAN SOMEONE WHO HAS THEIR OWN SUP THAT THEY TAKE DOWN TO THE HARBOR OR KEEPING THE HARBOR ON A REGULAR BASIS?
>> CORRECT. THIS STUFF WOULDN'T APPLY TO THE REGULAR CITIZEN BRINGING HIS OWN BOARD.
THIS IS ONLY APPLICABLE IN THE ORDINANCE TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES OPERATING IN OUR HARBOR.
>> ROGER, I CAN HEAR THE WHEELS TURNING.
>> I WOULD TURN IT AROUND AND SAY THAT, THIS BUSINESS HAS AN INHERENT INTEREST IN GETTING THAT BOARD BACK SAFELY WITH THE PERSON ON IT, HAVING A HAPPY FUN DAY AND WANTING TO COME BACK AGAIN.
I'M SORRY TO BE SUCH A PROBLEM ON THIS BUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, I HEAR YOUR POINT. I AGREE.
NOBODY LOOKS AT THE STICKERS, BUT AT LEAST YOU MENTIONED THAT I THINK WE DO HAVE TO PUT SOME FAITH IN OUR BUSINESSES.
I'M OPPOSED TO REGULATION UNLESS IT'S NECESSARY.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING HERE, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GOING WAY TOO FAR AND DICTATING EVERYTHING.
>> I AGREE. WE NEED A BROADER.
BEING ABLE TO READDRESS AT A LATER DATE BY LEAVING SOMETHING OPEN.
I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE STAND UP PADDLE BOARDS HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT COLORS FOR EACH VENDOR.
WE CAN GET INTO SO MANY RIDICULOUS REQUIREMENTS THAT IT'S GOING TO KILL THE BUSINESS.
I THINK COAST GUARD COMPLIANCE IS GOOD ENOUGH.
>> I'D LIKE MAYBE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, MAYBE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS ONE SUBJECT.
THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A STICKER ON THERE ANYHOW.
I'VE BEEN IN BIG GROUPS THAT HAVE RENTED PADDLE BOARDS, AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT ABSOLUTELY NO INSTRUCTION WAS GIVEN ABOUT, "HEY, THERE'S A BIG CHANNEL WITH LOTS OF BOATS.
DON'T HANG OUT IN THERE OR DON'T HANG OUT ON THE HARBOR. " NOTHING. I THINK SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE READ A LITTLE MAP THAT SAID "GO QUICKLY THROUGH HERE."
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I DO SEE, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION IS TO HEAR ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION.>> ALSO, THE PRIVATE SIDE HOW THE CLUB WORK.
>> COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
>> YES. I'M ALLEN SANFORD OF THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLIVE AND BEACH LIFE.
JEFF JONES. YOU WANTED ME FIRST TO RESPOND ON THIS VESSEL STUFF?
>> I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH DIFFERENT REGULATIONS ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THE WHOLE GAMUT OF THIS TREMENDOUSLY COMPLEX LANGUAGE YOU'RE PRESENTING AS A BORN AND BRED WATERMAN.
I PROBABLY DON'T FOLLOW HALF OF THOSE, AND I'M PROBABLY MORE EXPERIENCED AND BETTER IN THE WATER THAN MOST PEOPLE OUT THERE.
I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE.
IT'S PART OF THE REASON OF THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB IS WE ARE ABOUT CULTURE.
WE'RE ABOUT TEACHING OUR KIDS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS.
>> WE PROBABLY WILL BE SAFER THAN ANYBODY ON THE WATER BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WHAT WE DO AS SURFERS.
WE LEARN SAFETY, WE LEARN HOW NOT TO DROWN.
A STICKER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT.
NOBODY'S GOING TO LOOK AT A STICKER.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND SOME POINTS OF VIEW OF SAYING, WELL, WHY NOT GET A STICKER? IT JUST MAKES IT HARDER FOR US.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE BOARDS OVER TO KURT.
A SHARP IS A SHARP, A LEASH IS A LEASH.
IT'S 6.5 ONE DOES IN THE OTHER.
IF IT MAKES IT SIMPLE FOR YOU GUYS, SURE.
I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE OUR LANGUAGE TO SAY, WE WILL FOLLOW THE REGULATION OF WHATEVER YOU GUYS COME UP WITH BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING YOU GUYS HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION COMING, AND I DON'T WANT CONFLICTING PROVISIONS.
I ALSO THINK IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AND GREG AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE RIGHT TO REVOKE A BUSINESS OR USE.
JUST BE SURE THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU PUT IN THERE YOU REALLY WANT IN THERE.
BECAUSE GUYS LIKE US LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND WE ACTUALLY FOLLOW THEM.
WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO PEOPLE AND WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO OUR INVESTORS AND WE DON'T BREAK RULES, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE SO PARTICULAR ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THINGS.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU DO WANT TO ANCHOR US DOWN WITH THE RULES, I UNDERSTAND IT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE COMPLETELY, BUT JUST MAYBE MAKE SOME I LIKED THE SUGGESTION OF TYING IT TO COAST GUARD INTO FUTURE CITY REGULATION.
BY THE WAY, WE'RE JUST ONE BUSINESS.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU STILL HAVE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING ANY RULES RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB.
THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE TO THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SANFORD?
>> WERE YOU PLANNING ON RENTING OUT EQUIPMENT FOR NIGHT USE?
>> NO, BECAUSE IT'S A LIABILITY THING FOR US.
BUT I WILL TOTALLY AGREE WITH ROGER.
I MEAN, MANY OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS CUB [NOISE], LIKE BEACHING, MYSELF, WE LIVE MORE IN THE WATER THAN WE LIVE ON LAND.
WHY CAN'T WE PADDLE AT NIGHT? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO ENJOY THE OCEAN AT NIGHT.
IT'S PROBABLY AS BEAUTIFUL AS THE DAYTIME, IF NOT MORE PEACEFUL.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME, BUT IF IT'S PARTICULAR TO YOU GUYS THAT YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THE OCEAN AT NIGHT, THEN WHO AM I TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU GO OUT ON THE HILL OR HOW TO RAT OR TORRANCE OR JUST AWAY FROM.
>> I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASKED YOU WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM THERE?
>> I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE STATEMENT AT ONE POINT.
THE CLUB ISSUE OR THE CLUB I CAN HAPPILY EMAIL YOU GUYS MY PRESENTATION FROM BOTH 22 AND 23.
I THINK I PROBABLY MENTIONED CLUB AND USE MORE THAN 100 TIMES THE LEASE IN THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY.
SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THIS TYPE OF USE.
I WOULD HAVE NOT ENTERED INTO THIS BUSINESS IF IT HADN'T.
IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE VIDEO, IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO THE CITY, IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN ALL OES DOCUMENTS, IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN [INAUDIBLE].
IN FACT, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T AGREE WITH IT, AND I RESPECT THEIR OPINIONS, BUT I REALLY VALUE TRANSPARENCY AND HONESTY.
THE WAY THAT I'M VIEWING THIS MEETING IS A CLEANUP OF A VERY MESSY CUP,
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WHICH WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO EVEN NAVIGATE WHAT RULE SUPERSEDED WHAT RULE.IT WASN'T TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW DISCUSSION MILLIONS OF DOLLARS LATER ON WHETHER THIS USE IS CONSIDERABLE.
I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> JEFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
>> SURE. HELLO, EVERYBODY. GREAT TO SEE YOU.
I WOULD ADD RELATED TO THE STAND UP PADDLE BOARD USAGE.
I LIKE THE USING THE COAST GUARD RULES OR HAVING THOSE BE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO RUNNING A RESTAURANT.
WHEN WE OPEN A RESTAURANT, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN HAVING YOUR OWN PERSONAL KITCHEN.
YOU OWN PERSONAL KITCHEN, YOU ABIDE BY WHATEVER YOU THINK IS SAFE, JUST LIKE THE INDEPENDENT PERSONAL PADDLEBOARDER GOES OUT AND THEY DO WHATEVER THEY THINK IS SAFE.
WHEN YOU HAVE A BUSINESS, LIKE WE DO OR LIKE I DO, QUALITY SEAFOOD, WE'RE BEHOLDEN TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH REGULATIONS.
THEY TELL US WHAT IS SAFE AND WHAT IS NOT SAFE WHEN IT COMES TO SERVING FOOD.
IT'S NO LONGER OUR PERSONAL SPACE OR PERSONAL KITCHEN.
MUCH LIKE A BUSINESS LIKE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB, WOULD CERTAINLY OUR PADDLE BOARDS WOULD BE UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF THE COAST GUARD, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW THOSE RULES AND ABIDE BY THOSE RULES THE SAME WAY WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY HEALTH CODE RULES, CORRECT? THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAINING THAT GOES IN, SO EACH EMPLOYEE, WORKS IN A RESTAURANT GOES THROUGH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAINING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SERVE YOU FOOD, NO MATTER WHERE YOU CHOOSE TO EAT IN THIS COUNTY.
THE SAME WOULD BE TRUE. I WOULD GUESS THAT WHEN YOU DO WRITE A CUP FOR ANYBODY DOING PADDLE BOARD RENTALS, THAT THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF TRAINING THAT SOMEBODY THAT'S DOING THE RENTALS IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH TO JUST KNOW WHAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE COAST GUARD ARE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL LOGICAL IF YOU FOLLOW THAT.
REALLY, WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO THEN IS AS ALLEN WAS SAYING, REALLY FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT.
I MEAN, WE WANT TO BE AS SAFE AS CAN BE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT HARM TO FALL UPON ANYONE USING THAT EQUIPMENT.
I WOULD SAY TO JUST FOR OUR CASE ALONE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH A RENTAL AS IT IS AN AMENITY.
WE'RE NOT SEEKING PROFIT OFF OF THE USE OF THOSE AWARDS.
I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKEN I GUESS THE NOTION OF THERE BEING A CLUB.
AS ALLEN POINTED OUT, IT WAS DISCUSSED IN THOSE PRIOR MEETINGS, AND I FULLY RESPECT THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE FULLY IN AGREEMENT WITH IT.
BUT WE DO HAVE CLUBS DOWN THERE.
THERE IS A BAY CLUB FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO USE A GYM AND THEY PAY A MEMBERSHIP FEE.
THERE ARE OTHER CLUBS LIKE YA CLUBS DOWN THERE.
OUR CLUB, WE'LL HAVE DAY PASSES AND IF SOMEBODY THINKS THAT IT'S A SUITABLE WAY TO SPEND THEIR MONEY, SO BE IT TO COME IN AND USE THE CLUB FOR THE DAY OR COME IN AND GET A MEMBERSHIP, REALLY IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHEN CHILLERS WAS THERE AS CHILLERS.
THEY CHARGED A COVER TO GET IN.
I MEAN, YOU HAD TO PAY TO GET IN IN THAT INSTANCE AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, BACK TO THE PADDLE BOARD THING, I JUST THAT WOULD BE MY ANALOGY IS IT'S A LOT LIKE HAVING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO, AND YOU ABIDE BY THOSE RULES.
REDONDO DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN SET OF RULES FOR HOW WE CAN PREPARE FOOD.
WE JUST ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
ANYWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
>> ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR JEFF.
>> DON'T LEAVE IN CASE WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
>> I'M BACK TO LEAVING IT WITH COAST GUARD REGULATIONS, AND WITH THE STIPULATION AND ANY OTHER CITY ORDINANCES THAT MAY APPLY IN THE FUTURE.
>> WHAT I'M HEARING IS STRIKE 16 THROUGH 31.
INSERT IN ITS PLACE A CONDITION THAT STIPULATES MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL COASTAL COMMISSION REGULATIONS.
>> THAT ROLLS OFF THE TUG SUPER EASY FROM THE COASTAL COMMISSIONS COAST GUARD.
ANY FUTURE CITY REGULATIONS ORDINANCE.
>> THAT'LL SIMPLIFY EVERYTHING.
WE'RE NOT RE INVENTING THE WHEEL.
>> IT ENSURES EQUALITY FOR TERMS OF REGULATIONS,.
>> ARE YOU ON BOARD WITH THAT?
>> THE LAST COMMENT I'LL MAKE IS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH THE TUP THAT WE WROTE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO, WHICH I THINK ONLY APPLIED TO OLYMPUS.
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>> IT DID OR ANYONE WHO HAD A NON BRICK AND MORTAR COMPANY THAT WANTED TO DO BUSINESS IN THE CITY.
THEY HAD TO HAVE SO MUCH INSURANCE.
THEY HAD TO SIGN A RENTAL AGREEMENT.
>> IT ESSENTIALLY APPLIED TO ONLY OLYMPUS.
I THINK THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES TO EVER PULL.
>> THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT EVER APPLIED.
>> IT DIDN'T APPLY TO PADDLE HOUSE.
WHEN WE DO COME BACK TO THIS, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE CLAUSES WE PUT IN THAT TUP.
>> I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT NONE OF THE OTHER WHEN YOU SAID THAT NONE OF THE OTHER OPERATORS HAVE [LAUGHTER].
>> IT WAS SHOCKING TO SAY THE LEAST.
ONE PERSON NOTICED A CHANGE IN THE BUSINESS MODEL.
THEY ADDED A COUPLE OF BOATS AND ASKED STAFF TO LOOK INTO THEIR EXISTING CUP TO SEE IF IT COVERED IT AND IT REVEALED THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CUP.
THEN WE STARTED WELL, WHO DOES, AND IT TURNED OUT NOBODY DID.
>> I WOULD TURN IT AROUND AND SAY, IF WE LOOK AT, WE DID PUT CLAUSES ON ONE OPERATOR, DID EVERY OTHER OPERATOR HAVE PEOPLE THAT DIED WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS IN THE FUTURE OR WERE THEY OKAY WHICH IS COAST GUARD RULES? THANKS.
>> ALL OF THESE GO AWAY, THEN THE CITY, ANOTHER PATH IS GOING TO LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE, AND THEN AUTOMATICALLY ANY OPERATOR WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE.
>> BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS WILL GET THIS THING ON THE ROAD.
IT WILL SIMPLIFY EVERYBODY'S LIFE.
WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL AND TRYING TO BE ATTORNEYS.
BECAUSE RYAN'S NOT HERE [LAUGHTER].
IF ANYBODY HAS A BETTER PHRASING, LET'S DO IT NOW.
>> I'M WONDERING ABOUT A COUPLE A FEW THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, 16 ACTUALLY RESTRICTS WHAT THEY CAN RENT.
IN ADDITION TO IT BASICALLY SAYS THEY CAN RENT STANDARD PADDLE BOARDS CANOES AND OTHER CRAFT THAT CAN BE LOST BY HAND.
THEN IT GOES LARGER VESSELS SUCH AS PADDLE BOATS, SAILBOATS, OR MOTORIZED WATER CRAFT OF ANY PROHIBITED UNDER THIS COMMERCIAL USE PERMIT.
I WONDER IF WE JUST WANT TO SAY HAND LAUNCHED VESSELS THERE AND MAYBE RESTRICT LEAVE THE MOTORIZED RESTRICTION IN THERE BECAUSE THAT BRINGS UP A WHOLE ANOTHER LEVEL OF THINGS.
17 BASICALLY SAYS THEY HAVE TO USE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD DO I'D KEEP 16 STRIKE A SURFBOARD.
>> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ADEQUATE FOR THIS FOR NOW BECAUSE IT'S REALLY SAYING HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN RENT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] KEEP 17 THERE BECAUSE THAT BASICALLY SAYS, WE DON'T WANT THEM GOING DOWN TO THE DOCKS AND LAUNCHING THEM OR LAUNCHING THEM OFF [OVERLAPPING] 18 IS BASICALLY SAYING, DON'T RENT TO ANYBODY THAT'S DRUNK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SPECIFICALLY.
I THINK THAT'S SORT OF APPLIED ANYWAY.
>> UNDER THE INFLUENCE WOULD BE A BETTER [LAUGHTER].
>> UNDER THE INFLUENCE. YEAH, 19 SAYING THEY HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE, WHICH THAT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THEIR PERMIT AS WELL.
20-22 IOWA IS WHAT I WOULD JUST STRIKE AND SAY, YOU JUST COMPLY WITH COAST GUARD REGULATIONS.
>> KEEP 16, BUT STRIKE SURFBOARDS.
KEEP 17, 18 AND 19, AND THEN STRIKE 20 ALL THE WAY DOWN?
>> YEAH, 20 THROUGH 22, 23, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ENFORCEABLE OUTSIDE OF CITY.
I THINK WE CAN STRIKE 23 ANYWAY, BECAUSE THAT'S COVERED BY CITY LAW AND COASTAL COMMISSION RULES ANYWAY.
24 IS AVOIDING NAVIGATION CHANNELS.
[NOISE] WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE THERE.
SHE'LL COMPLY WITH CITY APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS.
26 AND 27 ARE BASICALLY ABOUT BOAT REPAIRS.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S REALLY APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE.
THEN THEN 30 IS THE CERTIFICATE OF INSPECTION, WHICH I WOULD STRIKE.
>> I THINK SO FAR, YOU'RE SAYING STRIKE EVERYTHING FROM 20 ON?
>> I WILL STRIKE 20 THROUGH 27, 28 WOULD NEED TO BE ADJUSTED.
BECAUSE THAT TALKS ABOUT VIOLATIONS OF 1-15 AND THEN 16 THROUGH X.
>> WE CAN ADJUST THAT BASED ON HOW THE NUMBER IN SEQUENCE [OVERLAPPING].
>> 29 SAYS, A HARBOR MASTER POLICE OFFICER THE EMPLOYEES JOB INCLUDES ENFORCEMENT OF THESE CONDITIONS, WILL HAVE THE POWER TO AUTHORITY TO ENTER FOR YOU TO CHARGE ANY REASONABLE TIME TO INSPECT ANY IN VESSEL.
I'M NOT SURE THAT DOES ANYTHING.
>> DON'T HAVE A PFD OR A LEASH.
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>> I CAN WALK ON TO THE SUP WITH THEM AND I GET THE IDEA THERE. YES.
>> THAT ONE WOULD GO IN THE NEW ORDINANCE.
>> THAT WOULD GO IN THE NEW ORDINANCE. STRIKE 30, WHICH IS A CERTIFICATE OF INSPECTION, WHICH KEEP 31 AND 32.
>> IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?
WHAT ABOUT BICYCLES? OUR BICYCLES AND AMENITY?
>> I MEAN, THIS IS OUR RECREATIONAL WATER ACTIVITY.
>> I DON'T LIKE PUTTING BURDENS ON THE HARBOR THAT WE DON'T PUT ON LAND.
TO BE CONSISTENT, I'D LIKE TO TURN AROUND AND TELL EVERYONE RENTING BICYCLES AND E-BIKES AND CARS AND MOTORCYCLES IN THE CITY, HEY, WE HAVE A NEW BLOOD ALCOHOL LAW.
>> I THINK THIS IS THE BIGGER DISCUSSION FOR THE ORDINANCE OR FOR THE FUTURE CUP.
>> I WANT TO BE CONSISTENT, AND I ESPECIALLY DON'T WANT TO BURDEN NEW STUFF GOING INTO THE HARBOR WHERE WE REALLY NEED NEW COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
WHY ARE WE BEATING UP BOATS? LET'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> SECTION IT IS DEALING WITH WATERCRAFT RENTALS, AND TO ME, BICYCLE IS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
>> BUT LET'S PUT BICYCLES IN THE CUP TOO.
LET'S MAKE SURE THEY RENT BICYCLES AND NOT E-BIKES, AND LET'S MAKE SURE WHEN SOMEONE GETS ON THEM, THEY'RE NOT OVER THE LEGAL LIMIT.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE GETTING IN THEIR CARS, MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE OVER THE LEGAL LIMIT. CAR IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN-
>> SOMETHING THAT APPLICANT REQUESTED.
>> BICYCLES, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BICYCLES?
>> BUT THERE'S BICYCLE AMENITIES.
>> THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD COME ASK FOR A REVISION TO THE CUP.
>> I'M TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER USES IN THE HARBOR.
THERE'S OTHER CLUBS AND HOTELS THAT GIVE OUT BICYCLES AS AN AMENITY.
WE NEED THIS CLAUSE IN THERE IN THE FUTURE.
>> I GUESS. BROADER QUESTION, HOW ARE OTHER CUPS DIFFERENT? DO THEY COMPLETELY LACK A DEFINITION OF WHAT THEY CAN RENT?
BUT PUTTING CUP HERE, I WILL WANT TO PUT THOSE CUPS THESE CONDITIONS IN THE OTHER CUPS SO THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
BECAUSE I'M TRYING NOT TO BURDEN NEW BUSINESSES IN THE HARBOR AND ON THE WATER MORE THAN WE ARE DOING ON LAND.
BECAUSE I WANT THERE TO BE NEW BUSINESSES AND NEW ACTIVITY IN THE HARBOR.
>> I'M TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE WHERE THIS IS UNIQUE COMPARED TO OTHER LEASES, LIKE, WOULD THERE BE A LEAS THAT WANTS TO RENT A KAYAK AND THERE WE WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A LOCATION THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM WITH TRANSIT TO THE WATER.
MAYBE THAT'S A CASE WHERE THIS THING WOULD BE IN A CUP AND NOT JUST ELIMINATED.
>> I'M LOST. I'M TOTALLY LOST NOW.
>> WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS LEANING TO IS THAT A FUTURE COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE DEDICATED TO BICYCLES, WE COULD A STAFF, ADD BAC OR DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE TYPE CONDITIONS.
WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE EXAMPLES THOUGH THAT EXIST.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE.
FROM THE HOTEL EXAMPLE, THOSE BICYCLE, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED.
THOSE BICYCLE RENTALS ARE CONSIDERED VERY ANCILLARY FOR HOTEL USES.
>> WHEN A HOTEL COMES IN, IT'S USUALLY ONE OF THE VERY LAST THINGS AT ALL THAT APPLICANTS OR STAFF WILL CONSIDER.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CAN CONSIDER ADDING FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USES ON LAND AS WELL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE WATERFRONT.
>> TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY IT A LITTLE BIT, 16 WAS GEARED TOWARDS HIS BUSINESS MODEL.
EVERYTHING LISTED THERE BESIDES SURF PORTS WHICH WE'RE GOING TO STRIKE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PART OF HIS BUSINESS MODEL.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
>> PLEASE STEP UP. CLARIFICATION.
>> I WAS UNAWARE THAT YOU NEEDED TO ASK PERMISSION FOR BIKES. IS THAT A RULE? WE PLAN ON HAVING BIKES.
I'VE NEVER KNOWN THAT TO BE A REGULATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION FOR BIKES OR IF THERE'S RULES.
>> WE HAVE BIKE RENTAL FACILITIES IN THE HARBOR.
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>> GOT IT, AND THIS IS SEMANTICS, WE'RE NOT RENTING ANYTHING.
>> IT'S INCLUDED IN THE MEMBER. [OVERLAPPING] YES.
>> IF YOU PAY A FEE, YOU HAVE USE OF THE AMENITIES INSIDE.
>> PORTOFINO HOTEL HAS THE SAME THING AND BAY CLUB HAS THE SAME THING.
>> EVERY SINGLE HOTEL DOWN THERE HAS BIKES.
>> IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT A CONFLICT WITH THE BIKE RENTAL COMPANY AT THE CORNER OF HARBOR AND BARREL, THAT SHIP HAS SAILED.
WE SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
ALL THESE GROUPS ARE ABLE TO HAND OUT BIKES, WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT A STICKER ON THE BIKE OR A HELMET ON THE PERSON OR CHECK SOMEBODY'S BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVEL.
>> I THINK THERE'S A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE TOO.
THE HOTELS, THEY'RE NOT RENTING THE BIKE.
I MEAN, MAYBE THEY ARE, BUT THOSE ARE ANCILLARY USES FOR THE PEOPLE STAYING AT THE HOTEL.
>> THE BIKE RENTAL SPOT IS FOR PEOPLE COMING DOWN THAT ARE GOING TO PARK AND RENT A BIKE.
IN OUR INSTANCE, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GET INTO THE PADDLEBOARD OR BIKE RENTAL BUSINESS.
OUR BUSINESS IS TO PROVIDE SOME COOL AMENITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GO DO WHAT I BELIEVE WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PAST.
I'VE BEEN LISTENING FOR EIGHT YEARS ON JUST ENJOYING THE HARBOR.
WE CAME DOWN SCRUB SOME BIKES.
WEAR HELMET, OR IF YOU PADDLEBOARD, HEY, BE SAFE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO RIDE A PADDLEBOARD? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A CLASS WITH DANNY FIRST? WHATEVER IS GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE BEING SAFE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE BEAR THE LARGEST BURDEN BY FAR TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.
GETTING LIABILITY INSURANCE IN CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW TO COVER THIS ACTIVITY, IS SO EXPENSIVE, IT'S ALMOST NOT WORTH DOING, BUT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DOING IT, SO WE'RE DOING IT.
TRUST ME, WHEN WE SAY WE'RE HEAVILY INCENTIVE TO MAKE SURE THESE ACTIVITIES ARE SAFE.
BUT IF I HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FOR BIKES, AND BY THE WAY, THAT WAS ALSO IN THE PRESENTATION.
I HOPE THERE'S NO SLIDE OF HAND GOING ON.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
>> THEN PLEASE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD BIKES, ALTHOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATERCRAFT.
>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS AN ANCILLARY USE.
IT'S AN ANCILLARY USE TO THE COMMERCIAL RECREATION USE.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THERE'S A BUNCH OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN HERE, IS TO IMPROVE SAFETY ON THE WATER.
THAT'S IT. THEY CAN ALL GO AWAY.
YOU CAN STILL OPERATE AS IT IS.
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS MAKE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WITH OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA ALREADY DOING THE SAME THING IN LAND AND ON SEA AND ESPECIALLY NOT HAVE IT IN THE CUP, WHICH IS LIKE A NUCLEAR WEAPON FOR YOUR BUSINESS AND ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS.
THE ANALOGY I KEEP THINKING BACK TO IS WE PUT BURDENS IN A TUP ON OLYMPUS THAT WE PUT ON NO ONE ELSE.
OLYMPUS WAS A GOOD OPERATOR, AND THEY AIN'T THERE ANYMORE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] NOBODY HAS TO FOLLOW.
THE CONDITIONS WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW UNLESS AN ORDINANCE IS PASSED, WHICH IS WHY I THINK A FAIR AND REASONABLE THING TO DO WOULD BE FOR US TO MAKE A COMMITMENT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU CAN START TO GET PEOPLE TO ADHERE TO THESE REGULATIONS AND MAKE A COMMITMENT AND YOU CAN PUT THIS IN A CUP WITH TEETH.
WE MAKE A [NOISE] COMMITMENT TO ABIDE BY ANY FUTURE ORDINANCE RELATED TO SAFETY AS IT RELATES TO WATERCRAFT.
IF YOU GUYS COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE IN THREE MONTHS OR NINE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS OR TEN MONTHS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK OUR PERMISSION.
WE HAVE ALREADY MADE A COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL, BUT TO HOLD US TO SOME ARBITRARY RULES THAT WE ALL THINK OF TONIGHT, AND THEN MAYBE YOU GUYS NEVER EVEN PASS.
I WOULD AGREE, IT DOES SEEM IT'S JUST RANDOM. IT'S JUST ARBITRARY.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHERE COMMISSIONER CALLAHANS REVISED CONDITION MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
>> WELL, I THINK ROGERS'S QUESTION, DO WE KEEP IN 16? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
>> I WOULD STRIKE THESE OTHERS AS WELL.
>> I THINK YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, LET'S STRIKE 16 THROUGH 30 OR 31.
YOU CAN RUN YOUR BUSINESS BE SAFE AND FOLLOW THE RULES.
>> THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
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I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT BEING CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THE BUSINESSES DOING THE SAME THING.>> IS THE CONSENSUS, WE STRIKE 16 THROUGH-.
>> THIRTY ONE AND ADD ONE IN THERE THAT SAYS COMPLIANCE WITH COAST GUARD REGULATION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S STATE ORDINANCE STATE AND COUNTY ORDINANCES IN THERE TO JUST FOR COMPLETION.
>> THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, BUT I UNDERSTAND I'M BEING AN OUTLIER HERE.
>> ARE THERE ANY IN HERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER LIKE CITY RISK MANAGER SAID THEY HAVE TO BE IN HERE,1931 32, CAN THOSE BE STRICKEN OR.
>> YEAH, THAT'S A PRECAUTIONARY 1, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COVERED.
>> BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SO YOU THINK THEY'D BE OKAY WITH THAT BEING STRUCK THEN, LIKE 31, FOR INSTANCE, THAT.
>> AS LONG AS WE PUT ABIDES BY ALL COAST GUARD, STATE, COUNTY, AND FUTURE LOCAL ORDINANCES, INSURANCE IS A REQUIREMENT UNDER THOSE PRESTANCES.
>> I GUESS ONE THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AS IF THERE'S A CITY ORDINANCE COMING THAT THEN THIS WOULD ALL THEN APPLY.
I WOULDN'T THINK A CITY ORDINANCE WOULD MAKE THESE REQUIREMENTS ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT RENTED.
IF IT WAS YOUR PERSONAL PADDLE BOARD?
>> WELL, I THINK YOU'D ARGUE HE'S MAKING IT AVAILABLE AS PART OF HIS BUSINESS.
>> IT'S A BUSINESS ENTERPRISE.
>> THERE'S SAFETY THINGS THAT WE WANT, BEST PRACTICES FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE TO DO.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN CONSTRUCTING THAT THAT THAT WOULD STILL APPLY IF IT'S NOT A RENTAL.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU'RE A RENTAL COMPANY AND YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT THE COAST GUARD DOESN'T LIKE, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.
I MEAN, THINK OF THE CONCEPTION.
>> I'M NOT THINKING OF COAST GUARD THINGS.
I'M JUST THINKING SIMPLE THINGS LIKE, HERE'S A MAP OF THE HARBOR.
>> WE PUT THAT ON JEREMY AND THERE ARE MAPS OF THE HARBORS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE IS A MAP OF THE HARBOR AT THE HAND LAUNCH BECAUSE OF THE TUP WE PUT ON JEREMY.
I THINK THERE'S A SECOND ONE AT POWER HOUSE.
ALL THOSE WHO'VE BEEN TO THE HAND LAUNCH AND SEEN THE SEEN THE MAP RAISER.
>> I AM SURE THAT IF THERE ARE CONSISTENT COMPLAINTS TO THE HARBOR MASTER OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THESE PATRONS THAT THERE WILL BE CHANGES MADE, EITHER VOLUNTARY OR BY THE CITY.
>> YEAH, REALLY THE CITY NEEDS TO DO BETTER JOB.
>> THAT'S HOW JEREMY ENDED UP WITH HIS AGREEMENT, IS THERE WERE COMPLAINTS THAT TOO MANY BUSINESSES WERE USING THE HAND LAUNCH AND LOCAL CITIZENS COULDN'T USE IT AT ALL WITHOUT STANDING IN LINE.
THE HARVARD COMMISSION SAID, OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO USE THE HAND LAUNCH AS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE, YOU HAVE TO PAY THE CITY, AND YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW SOME RULES.
LET'S JUST SIMPLIFY AND STREAMLINE EVERYTHING AND GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD. ANY DESCENT?
>> LISA, I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PADDLE BORDERS IN THE FAIRWAY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE SIX OF 400 ON A BUSY DAY.
[OVERLAPPING] I THINK THE SAFETY NET IS THE HARBOR PATROL.
>> I'M LESS CONCERNED, LIKE THEY'VE POINTED OUT, THESE ARE GOING TO BE WATER PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER PEOPLE AS I AM THE PEOPLE WHO'VE NEVER BEEN OUT ON THE WATER AND HAVE NO CLUE.
BUT AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FAIR.
THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS NOT A FAIR SHARING OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF BEING ON THE WATER AS THERE MAY BE FOR A BICYCLE ON LAND OR FOR AN AUTOMOBILE ON LAND.
I THINK THESE GUYS WERE PROBABLY GOING TO DO ALL OF THIS STUFF ANYWAY BECAUSE LIKE THEY POINTED OUT, IT'S SMART TO DO.
WE ALSO HAVE RULES AT OTHER PLACES THAT
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THEY FOLLOW THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY MANDATED BY THE CITY.WHEN STAND UP PADDLE BOARDING FIRST EXPLODED, I MYSELF WALKED DOWN TO WHERE THEY WERE RENTING THE LITTLE PEDAL BOATS AND SAID, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU USE A MAP? WE MADE A MAP AND TOOK IT TO THEM AND SAID, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS USE A MAP AND TELL THEM WHERE THEY CAN AND CAN'T GO? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS AGAINST THE EDUCATION.
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE AGAINST DICTATING THINGS FOR ONE THAT AREN'T FOR THE OTHER.
BUT YES, I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY, BUT I'LL JUST HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
>> YEAH. I'M AGAINST ADDING A RULE THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND ESPECIALLY ADDING THAT RULE UNEVENLY.
BECAUSE I STILL WORRY ABOUT, THE DIVING SURF KAYAK THAT LEAVES THE HARBOR ON A BAD DAY.
>> AND REI AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
>> BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN YOU'VE READ 31 AND 32.
THAT'S ACTUALLY LEGAL EASE FOR HOLDING INDEMNIFYING THE CITY AGAINST SOMEBODY GOING OUT THERE HAVING AN ACCIDENT AND THEN GOING AFTER THE CITY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.
>> THIRTY TWO ABSOLUTELY SHOULD STAY, 31, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT.
IT MAKES SENSE TO RELEASE OF LIABILITY.
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING OUT 16 THROUGH [OVERLAPPING] 30 AND ADDING COMPLIANCE WITH COAST GUARD REGULATIONS AND ANY FUTURE, ANY LOCAL COUNTY STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
>> I THINK I JUST MADE A MOTION.
>> ACTUALLY I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. DO WE NEED TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST?
>> ACTUALLY, WE NEED TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT TOO.
DO WE HAVE ANY THANK YOU, LEE.
>> I GUESS CAN I JUST MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? I KNOW WE SAID CLUB 100 TIMES THAT MEANING, DEFINITELY NOT ARGUING WITH THAT.
I THINK IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S REALLY THIS ITEM 15, MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM.
BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THAT ORIGINAL CUP, THAT IT DIDN'T COME ACROSS, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAD DONE OUR JOB FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAD BUTTONED THAT UP PROPERLY AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS WAS.
>> ACTUALLY, I HAVE ONE MORE TO. I'M NOT SURE.
WHEN YOU SAY GET RID OF 16, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING RID OF 17 THROUGH 29, BUT 16 IS DEFINING WHAT VESSELS THEY CAN HAVE.
DON'T WE HAVE AN OPERATOR NOW WHO HAD A CERTAIN VESSEL AND DIDN'T HAVE A LIMIT ON THAT VESSEL AND THEN WENT AND GOT OTHER KINDS OF VESSELS, AND WE'RE THAT THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
>> THAT'S THE IMPETUS OF US FINDING OUT THAT NONE OF THE BUSINESSES IN BASIN 3 EVEN HAVE A SEASON.
>> DO YOU PLAN GOING FORWARD TO DEFINE WHAT SORTS OF VESSELS ARE ALLOWED?
>> THEN I THINK 16 SHOULD STAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SURFBOARDS.
>> BUT THAT WILL BE UP TO THIS.
>> YEAH. I'M SAYING, I DON'T THINK WE LEAVE THIS OPEN TO A FLEET OF DUFFIES.
>> WAVE RUNNERS OR WHATEVER ELSE IS.
>> WAVE RUNNERS OR WHATEVER MOTORIZED.
>> YEAH. MAYBE YOU HAD BIKES ON HERE.
>> LET'S ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> THERE ARE NO E COMMENTS AND I HAVE A PARTICIPANT IN ZOOM, BUT HIS HAND IS NOT RAISED.
I DON'T BELIEVE HE WANTS TO SPEAK.
>> IF YOU'RE OUT THERE AND YOU'RE IN ZOOM, DO YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND?
[LAUGHTER] I THOUGHT WE'D ESCAPED.
>> ALL RIGHT. SHALL WE HEAR FROM MARK HANSON?
>> YE OF SO LITTLE FAITH. HOW YOU DOING, GUYS? [LAUGHTER] SORRY, I COULDN'T BE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
I'M WORKING ON OPENING DAY CEREMONIES AND A DIFFERENT MEETING.
ANY WAY, I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU GUYS ARE GOING IN GENERAL, BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SURFBOARDS STAYING IN THERE.
THEY DO HAVE A CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB, AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO BOARD FROM THEM, THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T LAUNCH IN THE HARBOR, BUT THEY COULD TAKE THE BOARD AND LAUNCH ON THE BEACH IF THE BUSINESS HAPPENED TO WANT TO DO THAT.
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SECOND POINT IS, WHY WERE WE DICTATING THAT EVERYTHING THEY RENTED HAD TO LAUNCH AT THE PUBLIC LAUNCH RAMP? AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE BUSINESS.IF THEY WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON LETTING PEOPLE TAKE THEIR EQUIPMENT SOMEPLACE ELSE TO ME, THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION.
NO REASON FOR US TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT.
ALSO, A TECHNICALITY, MAYBE, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN EVENTS WHERE, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THERE WAS A PADDLE EVENT IN THE HARBOR, OLYMPUS BROUGHT SOME OF THEIR EQUIPMENT DOWN THE KING HARBOR YACHT CLUB BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH BOARDS.
THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL UNDER THE LANGUAGE THAT'S TYPED IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO RESTRICT THAT.
ALSO, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT A LEASH.
I DON'T RECALL THE COAST GUARD REQUIRING A LEASH.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE'RE REQUIRING LEASHES OF PADDLE HOUSE OR OLYMPUS.
AGAIN, AS SOMEBODY ELSE WAS SAYING, WE DO WANT TO CREATE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND NOT IMPOSE ANY SPECIAL REGULATIONS ON THIS OPERATOR THAT WE HAVEN'T BUT ON OTHERS.
I DON'T RECALL OFFHAND COAST GUARD REQUIRING A LEASH.
FINAL ITEM IS THE NIGHT RESTRICTION.
THERE'S GROUPS OF PADDLERS OUT RIGHT NOW WITH LIGHTS PADDLING.
AGAIN, AND I THINK THOSE ARE ORGANIZED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING IN AND SAYING, MOTHER, MAY I TO THE HARBOR PATROL, BUT A LOT OF BOATERS, THESE ARE VESSELS.
A LOT OF BOATERS GO BOATING AT NIGHT, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY WOULD PUT A RESTRICTION AGAIN ON THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS, IF AT SOME POINT THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO SEND PEOPLE OUT WITH LIGHTS IN THE HARBOR.
THERE'S NOTHING, UNIQUELY DANGEROUS ABOUT THAT.
ANYWAY, I THINK YOU GUYS GOING AND GOT A GOOD DIRECTION, BUT PLEASE CONSIDER THOSE FOUR COMMENTS AS YOU FINALIZE YOUR MOTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, MARK. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ZOOM HOLDERS?
>> OKAY. SHALL WE CLOSE THE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION?
>> MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.
>> OPPOSED. PERFECT. BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION, AND WE NEED A MOTION.
>> WELL, WE HAD ONE, BUT I DIDN'T DO THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND CLOSE THE HEARING, SO I COULD REPEAT IT.
[LAUGHTER] AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WAS ELIMINATE 16-30 AND INSERT COMPLIANCE WITH COAST GUARD REGULATIONS, LOCAL COUNTY, STATE, AND FEDERAL ORDINANCES.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR?
>> I FEEL LIKE WE EARNED THAT ONE.
WHERE ARE WE HERE? ARE WE TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT?
[M. ITEMS FROM STAFF]
>> I'VE GOT A FEW UPDATES FOR EVERYBODY.
AS I ALLUDED TO IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, WE GOT OUR PARKING STUDY, WE GOT OUR CIRCULATION STUDY.
WE ARE REVIEWING THOSE STUDIES AS WE SPEAK.
WE'RE WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CONSULTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPREHENSIVE AND FIT OUR NEEDS.
ONCE WE HAVE THAT FINALIZED, WE'LL GET THE SUBCOMMITTEE TOGETHER SO WE CAN GO OVER THE RESULTS, AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
>> GREG, WE ALSO HAVE A COASTAL CRITERION HAZARDS ANALYSIS.
>> THE MARINA PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS.
THE NORTH SIDE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WE SPEAK.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO START LAST FRIDAY OF THE NORTH SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
I DIDN'T GO DOWN THERE THAT DAY.
BUT THAT'S HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
CALIFORNIA SURF CLUBS SCHEDULED TO BE OPENED IN APRIL, SO THE NORTH SIDE WILL BE DONE TO COINCIDE WITH THAT.
WE'RE ALSO DOING A LIGHTING PACKAGE.
WE'LL BE DEMOING THE TOLLBOOTH IN LIEU OF ACTUAL PARKING ENFORCEMENT GOING OUT THERE AND LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE PAID VIA PHONE APP OR VIA PAY STATION.
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OUR CITY MANAGER ALLUDED TO THIS.WE GOT GOOD NEWS THAT THAT PROJECT IS COMMENCING.
WE WERE A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROZE A LOT OF THE GRANT FUNDING THAT HAD BEEN AWARDED PREVIOUSLY.
WE DID FINALLY GET NOTICE FROM THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS THAT THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN FUNDED AND IS MOVING FORWARD.
LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK PAVERS, JUST HOW GREAT OF A PROJECT THAT WAS.
WE HAD A RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY, AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THEY ARE CRACKING ALREADY.
AND I SPOKE WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS PERSONNEL, AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS CRACKING AND NOT JUST IN AREAS THAT WERE POTENTIALLY EXPECTED WHERE THERE'S HIGH TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER, BUT ESSENTIALLY, THOSE PAVERS ARE UNDER WARRANTY, AND THE COMPANY'S ACTUALLY BRINGING OUT NEW PAVERS TO HELP REPLACE AS NEEDED.
WHAT I HEARD WAS IT WAS A SOFT BATCH, IF THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM FOR THE PAVERS.
SO HOPEFULLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF THEM OVER TIME.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT AS I KNOW IT, THE PALLETS ARE BEING DELIVERED THIS MONTH.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO START MAKING THOSE REPAIRS.
SEASIDE LAGOON, WE CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS THERE.
WE'RE MEETING WITH THE STATE WATER BOARD NEXT WEEK TO GO OVER SOME SAFETY REGULATIONS AND MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PLACE ON IT.
THEY'RE GEARING UP FOR THE ENTITLEMENT PHASE, AS YOU GUYS KNOW.
THEY'RE DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS RIGHT NOW, THE STUDIES, THE. PHASE 1.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALSO LOOKING AT PARKING TO SEE JUST HOW MUCH PARKING IS NEEDED.
A PARK OR AN OPEN SPACE ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT PURSUANT TO MUNICIPAL CODE, BUT WE'D BE FOOLISH TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO DRIVE DEMAND AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP SUPPLY FROM FROM THAT PARKING SUPPLY.
ONCE WE HAVE ALL THOSE STUDIES DONE, I'LL RECONVENE THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE RESULTS OF THAT AS WELL.
WATERFRONT EDUCATION FACILITY, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'RE TALKING TO MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER.
WE'RE LOOKING INTO GETTING INTO AGREEMENT WITH THEM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A COMMITMENT AND A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO.
WHATEVER DOCUMENT WE DECIDE ON THAT SHOWS THAT COMMITMENT LEVEL, IT'S WHAT MARINE MAMMAL NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THE MONEY TO OFFICIALLY JUMP IN WITH TWO FEET.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. THEN I DO WANT TO BRIEFLY GO OVER A REALLY BIG PROJECT THAT JUST GOT APPROVED AT CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S THE PORT ROYAL OPTION AGREEMENT.
IT WAS APPROVED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ON FEBRUARY 18TH.
IT WAS ACTUALLY PULLED AND THEY PULLED IT TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD NEWS ITEM.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, THEIR 55 YEAR LEASE OR 60 YEAR LEASE IS COMING TO AN END.
THEY'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT YEARS LEFT ON IT.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE NEGOTIATED WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE OPTION, WHICH MEANS IF THEY HIT CERTAIN BENCHMARKS, THEN A NEW 50 YEAR LEASE IS ENACTED.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS REBUILD ALL 350 SLIPS.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE NEW PROMENADE THAT THE AMENITIES PLAN TALKS ABOUT.
THEIR PORTION THAT FRONTS THE PROMENADE, THEY WILL BUILD FOR US.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY MOVING ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS.
IT'S A RESTROOM BUILDING FURTHER BACK AND REBUILDING IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROMENADE.
I THINK THE RESTROOM IS A LITTLE TIRED AS WELL, SO IT'S PROBABLY DUE, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATING THE PROMENADE ITSELF.
WHAT THE OPTION STIPULATES IS THAT THEY'VE GOT TO RECEIVE THE ENTITLEMENTS FROM THIS GROUP.
THEY'VE GOT TO RECEIVE COASTAL COMMISSION APPROVAL.
THEY'VE GOT TO GET BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED, AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT CONSTRUCTION IS FINANCED.
WHEN THEY DO THOSE THINGS, THE LEASE IS ESSENTIALLY ACTIVE.
WE THINK THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS COULD TAKE A WHILE.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO INVOLVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF SOME TEMPORARY SLIPS SOMEWHERE.
WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT JUST YET.
IT WILL BE PART OF THE ENTITLEMENT PROJECT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE BOATS TO THE TEMPORARY LOCATION TO DOWN WITH THE ONES THAT THEY USED TO OCCUPY TO REBUILD THEM, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PHASE IT OUT UNTIL EVENTUALLY THEY'RE ALL REBUILT.
COMPLICATED PROJECT, BUT REPRESENTS THE LARGEST PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN OUR HARBOR IN A VERY LONG TIME.
WE'RE TALKING MINIMUM 14 MILLION, I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO 30 MILLION.
THE OPTION STIPULATES THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST 14.
I THINK THAT'S A LOW ESTIMATE JUST BASED ON HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR OUR OWN HARBOR PATROL DOCKS TO BE REPLACED.
BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WITH YOU.
THEY'RE GOING TO START THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I'D SAY A PROJECT FOR A DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATION WOULD GO BEFORE THIS GROUP MAYBE WITHIN A YEAR AND A HALF.
COASTAL COMMISSION COULD TAKE ANOTHER NINE MONTHS BEYOND THAT.
BUILDING PERMITS IS 6-8 MONTHS BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE PLANS REALLY DETAILED AND HOW THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED.
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MAYBE WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THREE AND A HALF, FOUR YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.THAT'S THEM BEING AGGRESSIVE, REALLY GOING AFTER IT.
BUT THAT'S ALL ROUGH. ALL THOSE DATES ARE PRETTY ROUGH.
NEXT MEETING, WE DO HAVE AN AGENDA PLANNED.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
IN LATE APRIL, CITY COUNCIL WILL BE RECONVENING TO GO OVER THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THEIR LIST OF CRITERIA THAT THEY WANT STAFF TO TACKLE OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
AT THE MEETING, I'LL GO OVER EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, AND THAT WE EXPECT TO BE FINISHED BY THE TIME THE STRAP PLAN MOVES ALONG.
I'LL ALSO GO INTO WHAT I THINK ARE LOGICAL NEXT STEPS.
A LOT OF THE STRAP PLAN ITEMS ARE STEP 1 OR STEP 3 OF A LOGICAL SUCCESSION, WHERE THERE'S A NEXT STEP.
THAT USUALLY MATERIALIZES IN THE FORM OF A NEW STRAP PLAN ITEM TO TACKLE THAT NEXT STEP.
I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT I THINK IS LOGICAL IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'LL BE TACKLING AS A NEXT STEP.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT PROBABLY CARRY OVER THAT WE DIDN'T QUITE FINISH.
BETWEEN THE CARRY OVER, WHAT I EXPECT TO BE THE LOGICAL NEXT PROJECTS, WE'LL GET A LIST OF WHAT I EXPECT TO SEE.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK IS MISSING THAT WE NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO SOME NEW IDEA, SOME VERSION OF THE AMENITIES PLAN, SHORT TERM LIST OF PROJECTS THAT YOU WANT US TO TACKLE, USUALLY, WHAT WE DO IS WE FORM ANOTHER SUBCOMMITTEE TO WRITE A LETTER THAT LISTS WHAT PROJECTS YOU SUPPORT.
THAT LETTER IS SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE DAY THAT THEY ARE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE STRAP PLAN.
I WILL SAY THIS IS HISTORICALLY THE ONLY GROUP THAT PROVIDES ANY CONTEXT.
WHAT IS REALLY HELPFUL FOR ME IS THAT IF AND WHEN CITY COUNCIL RUNS OUT OF IDEAS OR JUST SAYS, GREG, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I CAN JUST GO OFF OF THIS LIST AND I KNOW THAT AS A WHOLE, US AND ME ARE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS WE THINK SHOULD BE TACKLED NEXT. VERY HELPFUL FOR ME.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M ON THE SPOT, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER ON IT, WHICH IS HELPFUL. THAT'LL BE APRIL.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT POTENTIALLY THE CUP FOR BASIN 3 COULD BE DISCUSSED.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A BIG DISCUSSION BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT.
BUT IT'S LOOKING MORE LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE MAY JUST FOR TIMING REASONS.
BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THAT.
THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE'LL HAVE FOR APRIL.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER ABELMAN SAID HE WILL BE THERE, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM TO TALK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES.
>> IT'S FINALLY ON SPRING BREAK WEEK AFTER FOUR YEARS IS ALWAYS LINED UP.
>> QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANY BUS PARKING AREAS IN THE SEASIDE LAGOON PARKING THING?
>> THE NEVIS, OUR CONSULTANT FOR SEASIDE IS CONSIDERING THAT.
NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE.
>> BECAUSE I KNOW THEY USUALLY LET EVERYBODY OFF AND THEN HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND FIND A PLACE TO PARK, USUALLY A FRANCISCO.
THEN THEY THEY GET CALLED TO COME BACK AND GET THE KIDS.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY PROBABLY CAN'T ACCOMMODATE ALL THE BUSES, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE ONE.
>> AT LEAST ONE. IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS SURPLUS OF PARKING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE KNOW THAT SEASIDE LAGOON WILL EAT INTO THAT SUPPLY.
WE KNOW THE BOAT LAUNCH WILL EAT INTO THAT SUPPLY, A BUS DEPOT AREA FOR IT TO PULL OFF COULD POTENTIALLY EAT UP 10 SPACES OR SO.
IT STARTS TO ADD UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT CERTAINLY, IF WE CAN FIT ONE, WE'LL PUT ONE.
>> THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION, ROGER.
>> BEFORE I LOSE IT. THE 50 YEAR, THE PORT ROYAL, AS PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT TO BE FUNDED, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF RESERVE FUNDING?
>> NO. NOT A REQUIREMENT OUTLINED IN THE OPTION, JUST THAT THEY'VE GOT FINANCING AVAILABLE.
>> THIS IS ALREADY A DONE DEAL.
>> DO YOU HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON THAT?
>> ON GETTING ALL THAT IN PLACE.
I KNOW YOU GAVE US A THING, BUT THEIR LEASE IS UP IN EIGHT YEARS, AS LONG AS THEY GET DONE BEFORE THE EIGHT YEARS OR IS THERE A SHORTER TIME LIMIT?
>> THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS THEY'VE GOT TO DO IT BEFORE THE EIGHT YEARS.
THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS, IF THEY DECIDE EARLIER THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO MAKE IT, THAT THEY CAN PULL THE PLUG AS WELL AND THE OPTION ESSENTIALLY EXPIRES AND THE LEASE POTENTIAL FOR THAT LEASE EXTENSION EXPIRES AS WELL.
>> LISA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
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>> THEY ALWAYS COME UP WITH LIKE 50 YEARS, AND WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF IT WAS LIKE 30 YEARS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE 50 IS A LONG.
>> I'M JUST SURPRISED IT DIDN'T COME TO US AT ALL.
>> I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THERE TO BE SOME REQUIREMENT FOR RESERVES IF YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE YEARS AND IF YOU COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU NEED.
>> NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL.
>> NOT FOR FINAL APPROVAL, BUT JUST INPUT.
>> JUST LIKE INPUT. OF LIKE WHAT MIKE DID.
HE POPPED DOWN AND GOT SOME INPUT.
>> ROGER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE DIRECTOR?
>> NO. BUT WE GET WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL OFFERS US.
WE'VE SEEN THAT. DID YOU FIND OUT ANYTHING ON THE BIT BARGE? I'VE POKED AROUND TO TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THE BIT BARGE IS BACK OPEN.
THE GUYS AT SPORT FISHING WEREN'T SURE.
>> THE ONE OVER IN ONE OF THE MORENS?
>> THE BIT BARGE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF HARBOR. THEY WERE REBUILDING.
IT WAS CLOSED FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, REBUILDING THE PENS, IMPROVING IT.
>> WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THAT WHEN WE WERE DOING A DIFFERENT EXERCISE.
>> DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I'LL ASK AROUND.
>> I OUGHT TO BE OPEN SOMETIME THIS MONTH.
>> COMMISSIONER FALK HAS COME UP WITH TWO.
>> TWO QUESTIONS FROM LAST TIME.
>> THAT'S HAPPENING IN APRIL AS WELL. WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THAT.
SORRY. I ADMITTED THAT FROM MY REPORT.
>> THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE COMING BACK UP OR NOT, BUT THE MARINA PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT AT THE END OF THAT, IT SAYS CITY STAFF IS CONVERTING A PORTION OF THE DOCK IN FRONT OF THE FOSS BUILDING INTO A PAY BY THE HOUR DINGHY DOCK.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE PAY BY THE HOUR PART BECAUSE IN MY TRAVELS AROUND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, I'VE NEVER HAD TO PAY AT A DINGHY DOCK.
YOU PAY BECAUSE YOU PUT YOUR BIG BOAT AT A MOORING, AND YOU PAY TO KEEP YOUR BOAT IN A SLIP.
I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU WOULD HAVE PAYING FOR A DINGHY DOCK.
THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE PERMANENTLY MOWING THEIR DINGHIES THERE.
>> WHO WANTS TO BE VISITOR SERVING?
>> IT'S BECAUSE SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEIR SABBAT OR THEIR LITTLE SAILBOAT IS GOING TO TIE IT UP THERE, TIE UP A PARKING PLACE, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO WE WANT TO COME IN ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PATRONIZE THE BUSINESSES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR?
>> WELL, WITH THAT, I THINK IT'S TIME TO ADJOURN. IS THERE A MOTION?
>> SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.