[A. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:02] TONIGHT FOR SHEILA LAMB, WHO IS NOT HERE, THEN THERE'S VICE CHAIR. THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. TODAY IS THURSDAY, MARCH 20TH, AND IT'S PAST 6:30, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO START NOW. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM HERE. I GUESS WE SHOULD DO A ROLL CALL FIRST TO SEE WHO IS PRESENT. YES. COMMISSIONER LIGHT. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CRAIG. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CONROY. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. HERE. CHAIR PERSON LAMB. WE'RE SOCIAL DISTANCING. VERY GOOD. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. I GUESS THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS TO SALUTE THE FLAG. MRS. HAZELTINE, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG. YES. [D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA] OF ALLEGIANCE]. MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF AGENDA. THERE YOU GO. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION APPROVED AGENDA. [E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS] MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE D FILED ITEMS. SECOND. SECOND THAT. SECOND. EVERYBODY SECONDED IT THEN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. VERY GOOD. CONSENT CALENDAR. [F. CONSENT CALENDAR] CONSENT CALENDAR. THESE ARE FOR BUSINESS ITEMS, EXCEPT THOSE FORMALLY NOTICED FOR PUBLIC HEARING, OR THOSE POLLED FOR DISCUSSION ARE ASSIGNED TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE COMMISSION MEMBERS MAY PRESENT THAT ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS BE REMOVED, DISCUSSED, AND ACTED UPON SEPARATELY. ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE TAKEN UP UNDER THE EXCLUDED CONSENT CALENDAR. SECTION BELOW. THOSE ITEMS REMAINING ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE APPROVED IN ONE A MOTION. THE CHAIR WILL CALL ON ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PULLED BY THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE, AND COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 3 MINUTES PER SPEAKER. ARE THERE ANYTHING ON OUR CONSENT CALENDAR? MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. APPROVED. THE RECORD NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER LIGHT IS PRESENT. NEXT UP IS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. [H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS] THE SECTION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE REGULAR OF THE AGENDA FOR ACTION. THIS SECTION IS LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED 3 MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE. WRITTEN REQUESTS OF ANY WILL BE CONSIDERED FIRST UNDER THE SECTION. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND START, SAY YOUR NAME. HOLLY OSBORNE, DISTRICT 5. A MONTH AGO OR SO YOU ALL APPROVED A 43-UNIT DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO KNOW IF IT WAS AN HOA. I'M THINKING THAT IT WAS. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW IF PEOPLE WHO BUY INTO IT HAVE TO AGREE TO LIVE THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, 2 OR 3 YEARS. I HAVE RELATIVES WHO LIVE IN HOAS OR BUYING INTO HOAS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROMISED TO DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A SPECULATOR BUYING THE WHOLE THING. I'VE READ IN SOUTH CAROLINA WHERE THEY HAD A COMMUNITY THAT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED, AND SPECULATORS STARTED BUYING THE EMPTY HOUSES OR THE ONES FOR SALE, AND THE PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER. THEY WERE AT HOA AND THEY SAID, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY HERE, YOU HAVE TO PROMISE TO LIVE HERE 3 YEARS AND THEY SAID THEY CUT THE SPECULATION DOWN BY ABOUT A HALF. ANYWAY, IF YOU'RE BUILDING IT, AND ALL THOSE NICE YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE, I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE SPECULATORS OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? THIS WAS LAST MONTH'S PROJECT? LAST MONTH'S PROJECT. PLEASE COME FORWARD, NEXT SPEAKER, AND SAY YOUR NAME. JIM MUELLER, DISTRICT 5. 100 YEARS AGO, ALCOHOLISM WAS SUCH A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM IN AMERICA THAT AN AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION WAS PASSED TO STOP THE MANUFACTURE AND DISTRIBUTION OF IT. WE CAN'T GET A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT PASSED TO RECOGNIZE WOMEN'S EQUALITY IN LAW AND SOCIETY, BUT EVEN THE DRASTIC ACTION AGAINST ALCOHOL DIDN'T WORK. [00:05:04] TODAY, 100 YEARS AFTER THE 18TH AMENDMENT, ALL SOCIETY CAN DO IS PICK UP THE PIECES, CLEAN UP THE BODIES, PATCH UP FAMILIES WITH WRECKED LIVES, AND PICK UP THE HOMELESS, MANY OF WHICH ARE ADDICTED TO ALCOHOL. STILL, THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ROMANTICIZES THE CONSUMPTION OF HARD LIQUOR. PEOPLE ARE PORTRAYED ENDING A HARD DAY WITH 90-PROOF SHOT AND ARE CELEBRATING WITH SHOTS. THE 18TH AMENDMENT DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE IT CAME TOO LATE. ALCOHOL IS AN ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE AND PEOPLE WERE USED TO BOOZE BEING READILY AVAILABLE. IT'S EASY TO MAKE AND DISTRIBUTE AND VERY PROFITABLE. FIFTY YEARS AGO, SMOKING CIGARETTES WAS COOL. MOVIE STARS SHOWED HOW IT WAS DONE. TOBACCO COMPANY ADVERTISEMENTS FEATURED THE MARLBOROUGH MAN, A HANDSOME DUDE, MAN LEAVES, WHO, IT WAS SAID, LOVED TO SUCK NOXIOUS GASES INTO HIS LUNGS. IT TOOK SOCIETY A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO FIGURE OUT THAT SUCKING NOXIOUS GASES INTO YOUR LUNGS IS BAD FOR YOU, AND EVEN FOR THE MARLBOROUGH MAN, BUT ONCE AGAIN, RESTRICTIONS WERE TOO LATE AND PEOPLE STILL GET SICK AND DIE FROM SMOKING. TWENTY YEARS AGO, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY DISCOVERED IT WAS VERY PROFITABLE TO GET PEOPLE ADDICTED TO PAIN-KILLING DRUGS. WHY DRINK IT OR SMOKE IT? JUST TAKE A PILL. IT TURNS OUT FENTANYL CAN KILL YOU, AND YOU CAN MAKE IT IN YOUR GARAGE. ONCE AGAIN, CONTROL CAME TOO LATE. WE STILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH FENTANYL. NOW WE'RE FACED WITH ANOTHER WHETHER OR NOT REDONDO BEACH SHOULD ALLOW RETAIL SALE AND DISTRIBUTION OF ANOTHER ADDICTIVE INTOXICANT, CANNABIS. IF YOU CAN GET PEOPLE HOOKED, IT'S VERY PROFITABLE, BUT THIS TIME, SOCIETY, AT LEAST IN CALIFORNIA IS AHEAD OF THE GAME. THE STATE HAS GIVEN CITIES THE RIGHT TO BAN THE CULTIVATION, MANUFACTURE, PROCESSING, DISTRIBUTION, AND RETAIL SALE OF CANNABIS, AND ALL OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES WITH ONE EXCEPTION HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT RIGHT. WHY DID REDONDO BEACH FALL FOR THE CANNABIS PROFITEER SIREN SONG? THEIR PRODUCT IS BAD FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY WITH ALL THE RESTRICTIONS AND TAXES. I SEE NO UPSIDE FOR REDONDO BEACH BUYING INTO THIS LATEST ATTEMPT TO HOOK PEOPLE FOR PROFIT. WITH YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT, PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY SEE THE LIGHT AND FINALLY BAN THIS JUNK FOR GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS PRESENT OR ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? THERE ARE NO E ATTENDEES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. VERY GOOD. I BELIEVE NEXT WE HAVE EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION. [I. EX PARTE COMMUNICATION] THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO ALLOW OFFICIALS OR THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HERE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVEAL ANY DISCUSSIONS OR EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. COMMISSIONER LIGHT. NOTHING TO REPORT. MR. BOSWELL. SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. I SPOKE WITH ACTING CHAIR, WAYNE, AND ADMINISTRATION. VERY GOOD. AS COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE JUST STATED, WE SPOKE TOGETHER BRIEFLY ON THIS. I ALSO SPOKE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI AND A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. VERY GOOD. MR. SCULLY, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? [J. PUBLIC HEARINGS] WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. [OVERLAPPING] THE ITEMS FROM ITEM J1 TONIGHT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION OFF SALE AND AN EXISTING SERVICE STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE AND SMACK SHOP ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2714 ARTESIA BOULEVARD IN THE COMMERCIAL C2 ZONE. MR. SCULLY, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU, CHAIR. LET'S DO THE SWEARING FIRST. THE SPEAKERS THAT PLAN TO SPEAK TONIGHT, IF YOU COULD JUST SWEAR THEM IN. INDEED. NOW, ARE THERE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT, THE PROPONENTS THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE TONIGHT? PLEASE STAND AND SWEAR AN OATH. DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. I DO. THANK YOU. MR. SCULLY. THANK, CHAIR CRAIG, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. TONIGHT WE HAVE OUR SENIOR PLANNER ANDREW SPEIRS TECH HERE, AND HE'S GOING TO PRESENT THE ITEM TO YOU. [00:10:03] GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I WILL BE PRESENTING ON THIS ITEM. THIS IS A CUP. THE CUP IS REQUESTED ONLY FOR THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION. NO CONSTRUCTION IS BEING AUTHORIZED THROUGH THE CUP. THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE ARTESIA BOULEVARD AND INGLEWOOD AVENUE INTERSECTION. THERE ARE TWO DRIVEWAYS FROM ARTESIA BOULEVARD, ONE DRIVEWAY FROM INGLEWOOD AVENUE. THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE AACAP PLAN. IT IS ZONE C2 AND THE LOT SIZE IS 0.6 ACRES. THE SITE HISTORY IS AS FOLLOWS. THE GAS STATION WAS BUILT IN 1969 WITH A CUP. IT WAS RENOVATED AND REBUILT IN 1987 WITH A CUP. IT WAS APPROVED TO ADD A HYDROGEN FUEL PUMP ISLAND IN 2021 WITH A CUP, AND THAT CUP IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. IN 2022, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED ANOTHER CUP TO RENOVATE THE GAS STATION BY CONVERTING THE AUTO SERVICE SPACE TO A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A SNACK SHOP, AND BY REPLACING THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED HYDROGEN FUEL PUMP ISLAND WITH EV CHARGING STATIONS. THIS SHOWS THE SITE PLAN AS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2022. IT'S A MOBILE GAS STATION WHICH HAS 12 PUMPS. THERE'S AN EXISTING 2,630-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING. THERE ARE 12 PARKING SPACES. THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS THE PROPOSED SNACK SHOP DELI. THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE RELOCATED CONVENIENCE MARKET, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE SNACK SHOP WILL MOVE INTO THE FORMER CONVENIENCE LOCATION FRONTING ON ARTESIA BOULEVARD. AS SHOWN ON THIS FLOOR PLAN, THIS WILL BE A 1,624 SQUARE-FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A SERVICE COUNTER WITH A CASH REGISTER, A UTILITY CLOSET, PRODUCT SHELVING, A RESTROOM, A STORAGE CLOSET, THERE WILL BE A WALK-IN FREEZER ALONG THE SIDES TO THE SOUTHEAST AND A WALK-IN COOLER. NOW, THIS IS WALK-IN ONLY FOR EMPLOYEES. THE CUSTOMERS WILL NEED TO REACH IN USING THE DOORS. THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF 10 DOORS. THREE OF THE DOORS AS SHOWN IN YELLOW ARE DESIGNATED FOR THE SALE AND DISPLAY OF BEER AND WINE. THE REMAINING SEVEN DOORS ARE ALLOWED FOR GENERAL BEVERAGES AND FOOD SALES. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR SALES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 AM AND 9:00 PM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THE DESIGNATED AREA FOR DISPLAY AND STORAGE OF BEER AND WINE IS IN THE REAR CORNER OF THE PROPERTY OPPOSITE TO THE ENTRANCE, AND IT WILL NOT DIRECTLY BE VISIBLE FROM THAT LOCATION, AND IT WILL BE LIMITED TO LESS THAN 10% OF THE TOTAL RETAIL FLOOR SPACE. THE NEXT THREE SLIDES WILL REVIEW THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AS MENTIONED, THE PERMITTED HOURS FOR SALES WILL BE FROM 10:00 AM TO 9:00 PM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND THE NUMBERS IN THE PARENTHESES CORRESPOND TO CONDITION NUMBERS. THE CUP WILL ONLY ALLOW THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE, NO HARD LIQUOR. THE CUP WILL ONLY ALLOW THE SALE OF SIX PACKS OF BEER OR REGULAR WINE BOTTLES. NO SINGLE SERVE WILL BE ALLOWED. THE CUP REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH ABC REGULATIONS. THE CUP STATES THAT IT WILL TERMINATE IF THE ABC LICENSE IS TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED FOR A PERIOD OF 90 DAYS. THE CUP ALSO SAYS THAT NUISANCES WILL RESULT IN REGULATORY ACTION UP TO REVOCATION, AND IT LISTS PANHANDLING, PUBLIC INTOXICATION, AND NOISE AS EXAMPLES. THE DISPLAY AREA, THESE ARE CONDITIONS AS REGARDING TO WHERE ALCOHOL CAN BE DISPLAYED. THE DISPLAY AREA IS NOT TO EXCEED 25%. AS SHOWN ON THE FLOOR PLAN, THE PROPOSED USE IS FAR BELOW THAT STANDARD AT LESS THAN 10%. THE DISPLAY AREA WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE ENTRYWAY. THE COOLERS WILL BE LOCKED AT ALL TIMES UNTIL SOMEBODY PRESENTS AGE VERIFICATION. THERE WILL BE NO DISPLAYS WITHIN 5 FEET OF THE ENTRANCE OR REGISTER BECAUSE THE DESIGNATED COOLER IS 35 FEET FROM THE ENTRANCE. [00:15:06] THE DESIGNATED COOLER IS CLEARLY A PERMANENT COOLER. THERE WILL BE NO DISPLAYS A LOT FROM AN ICE TUB, AND THERE'S NO DRIVE-UP WINDOW. THIS CUP COMPLIES WITH THAT BY DISALLOWING THAT. THERE ARE ALSO SEVERAL ADVERTISING CONDITIONS. THE CUP WILL PROHIBIT ADVERTISING OF BEER AND WINE ON GASOLINE ISLANDS. THE CUP PROHIBITS LIGHTED ADVERTISING ON BUILDINGS OR WINDOWS. THE CUP ALSO STATES THAT THERE WILL BE NO SIGNAGE OR ADVERTISING THAT WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR OR FROM THE ENTRANCE, AND THE CUP ALSO HAS A PROHIBITION FOR VIDEO GAMES OR ELECTRONIC GAMES. THE PLANNING DIVISION CONSULTED WITH THE REDONDO BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO REVIEWED THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICE AT THIS LOCATION OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS. BASED ON THEIR REVIEW, THEY FOUND THAT THIS PROPOSED USE DID NOT RAISE ANY CONCERNS. THE PLANNING DIVISION ALSO CONSULTED WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, WHICH REPLIED THAT THERE WERE NO COMPLAINTS OR VIOLATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY. WE SENT OUT NOTICES TO A 300-FOOT RADIUS, POSTED THE PROPERTY, AND PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER. NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED. SEPARATELY, AS PART OF THE ABC LICENSE, THIS WAS NOTICED AS PART OF A PROTEST TYPE OF LETTER. IN THE FALL, THERE WAS A 500-FOOT RADIUS AND NO PROTESTS WERE RECEIVED BY THE CALIFORNIA ABC. STAFF FINDS THAT THIS CUP MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE. THE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION AND POLICIES. THE SITE HAS ADEQUATE ACCESS, IT HAS THREE DRIVEWAYS. THERE WILL BE NO ADVERSE EFFECTS DUE TO THE NUMBER OF CONDITIONS THAT REGULATE THE OPERATIONS OF THIS BUSINESS. THE PROPERTY IS ADEQUATE IN SIZE AND SHAPE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS USE. AS STATED, THIS CUP CONTAINS A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS THAT WILL ADDRESS THIS PROPOSED USE AT THIS LOCATION. THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES TO THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, AND THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE BLUE FOLDER AS A RED LINE VERSION. ONE FINDING WAS CHANGED TO CLARIFY THAT THE CUP WILL EXPIRE WITHIN 36 MONTHS IF NOT USED OR EXTENDED. CONDITION NUMBER 22 WAS DELETED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T APPLY AS THERE WILL BE NO SALES PAST 09:00 PM. CONDITION NUMBER 25 WAS ADDED TO CLARIFY THAT THE PREVIOUS CUP THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED IN 2022 IS STILL IN FULL FORCE AND EFFECT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, TAKE TESTIMONY, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND MAKE A DETERMINATION REGARDING THE EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION, OFF-SALE, WITHIN AN EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SERVICE STATION ON PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE COMMERCIAL C-2 ZONE AT 2714 ARTESIA BOULEVARD. THIS NOW CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT'S HERE, AND THE APPLICANT'S ABC CONSULTANT, SHOULD BE AVAILABLE BY PHONE. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO AHEAD, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT PAGE OF THE RESOLUTION TALKS ABOUT BEER BEING SOLD IN A MINIMUM QUANTITY OF A SIX PACK? IT SAYS NO SINGLES. IT'S NUMBER 10. NUMBER 10. BLUE FOLDER ITEM. THEY REWROTE IT. I HAVE THE BLUE FOLDER VERSION OPENED. SINGLE SERVE INDIVIDUAL CONTAINERS OF ALCOHOL SHALL BE PROHIBITED. THE WORDS SIX PACK HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT? THAT'S CORRECT, BUT IT'S COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU HAVE TO SELL IN PRE-PACKAGED QUANTITIES, AND BEER TYPICALLY COMES IN SIX PACKS IF IT'S NOT A SINGLE SERVE. NOT A 40 OUNCE. IT USUALLY DOESN'T COME IN SIX PACKS. [00:20:01] THAT'S A SINGLE SERVE. THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, THE 40 OUNCES, OR WHATNOT? THAT'S CORRECT. WAIT. ONE AT A TIME. FORTY OUNCES WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED? THAT'S CORRECT. WELL, THEN, FORGET IT. SERVE, I GUESS. WE COULD STIPULATE THAT. [OVERLAPPING] THEY DON'T EVEN COME IN SIX PACKS. IF WE WANT TO CLARIFY IT. THANK YOU. WE COULD BE SPECIFIC IF WE WANT TO EXPAND THAT. THAT SINGLE SERVING, I DON'T KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE, BUT IT MIGHT BE, I HATE TO SAY THAT. THAT'S ABOUT 1% OF PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M THINKING THROUGH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. THE IDEA IS THAT IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO A PARTY OR SOMETHING, THEY'RE NOT JUST GOING TO BRING A SINGLE BOTTLE OF BEER, EXCEPT FOR DOUG. I DON'T WANT TO DRINK THAT SWILL AT YOUR HOUSE. IT'S INTERESTING. THIS IS A RECENTLY ADOPTED ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY FOR SERVICE STATIONS THAT HAS VERY EXPLICIT CONDITIONS, SO WE JUST WORKED OFF OF THOSE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY, IF WE THINK IT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE MOMENT WITH A REAL APPLICATION, THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL TIGHTENING THAT WE WANT TO DO. WE CAN ADD A WORDING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON PAGE 24 OF THE PACKET, AND 24 OF THE PACKET SAYS, THE APPLICANT WILL BE SERVING BEER IN MINIMUM. SERVING IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD. SELLING BEER IN A MINIMUM, NOT SERVING BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES. CORRECT. SOMETHING IN THE EFFECT OF SELLING BEER IN MINIMUM SIX-PACK QUANTITIES AND STANDARD 750 ML OR LARGER WINE BOTTLES. IT'S PROBABLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE WORDED. YOU'RE ON PAGE? BUT IT'S PAGE 24 OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT, PAGE 4 OF 7. SINGLE-SERVING INDIVIDUAL. IT'S THE FOURTH BLOCK OF TEXT DOWN, UNDER ITEM 8. IS THAT NUMBER 9 OR 8? NUMBER 8. I'M ON 24. PAGE 4 OF 7 OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. GOT IT. IT'S ITEM 8. I SEE. THE WORDING, THEY WILL BE SELLING BEER IN A MINIMUM SIX-PACK QUANTITY AND STANDARD 750 ML OR LARGER WINE BOTTLES. SELLING BEER. SELLING AND IN MINIMUM SIX-PACK QUANTITIES. STANDARD 750 MILLILITER. WINE BOTTLES. OR LARGER. OR LARGER FOR DOUG. BOX WINE. I WANT A MAGNUM. [OVERLAPPING] MAGNUM. IT COULD BE A MAGNUM, COULD BE A 1.5 LITER. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. BOONE'S FARM COMES IN 1.5 IN MAGNUMS. STRAWBERRY HILL. [OVERLAPPING] WHAT? IT'S BOX WINE. [OVERLAPPING] WE'LL FIND THE CONDITION WHERE THAT NEEDS TO GO BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A CONDITION. THAT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF HOW WE MEET THE FINDING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT WASN'T IN THE RESOLUTION, AND I'D LIKE IT TO BE IN THE RESOLUTION, AND THE PLACE WHERE IT SHOULD BE IS NUMBER 8. TEN. [OVERLAPPING]THAT'S EIGHT IN THE RESOLUTION. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION. ROMAN NUMERAL VIII. PAGE 29 IN THE PACKAGE? NO. WE HAVE A NEW ONE, THEY REDID IT. IT'S IN THE BLUE FILE I THOUGHT I HAD THE NEW ONE. THIS IS THE NEW ONE. BLUE FOLDER ITEM? WE'VE GOT THE BLUE FOLDER RESO AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE AGENDA PACKET WITH THE ORIGINAL. HOW MANY RESOLUTIONS DO WE HAVE? JUST TWO. THE BLUE FOLDER ONE IS CURRENT. THE ONE YOU GOT. WE'RE GOING WITH THE PACKET. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PACKET. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PACKET. WE CAN WORK OFF OF THE PACKET AND JUST MAKE SURE IT'S IN THERE. I DID, I PULLED IT DOWN. I'M LOOKING AT THE REVISED ONE, I THINK. THAT'S WHAT I PULLED DOWN TOO. BUT IT'S LABELED AS NUMBER 8 IN THE RESOLUTION. WE HAVE THE SAME ONE. DO YOU HAVE THE PACKET OPEN? I GOT IT RIGHT HERE. GO TO PAGE 29. NO, EIGHT IS SOMETHING ELSE. HERE. [OVERLAPPING] I GOT IT. ROMAN NUMERAL VIII. [00:25:01] GOT IT. WHERE IN THE PACKET? WE CAN WORK OFF THE PACKET. IT'S PAGE 2 OF THE RESOLUTION, AND IT'S ITEM 8. PAGE 2, ITEM 8. SEE WHERE IT SAYS SINGLE SERVE INDIVIDUAL CONTAINERS OF ALCOHOL WILL BE PROHIBITED. THAT ISN'T EVEN THE RIGHT THING TO SAY RIGHT THERE BECAUSE, OF COURSE, YOU FIND A BOTTLE OF WINE. THAT'S JUST A FINDING. IF WE GO ON DOWN TO THE CONDITIONS START ON PAGE 32 OF THE PACKET, OR ACTUALLY 33 IS NUMBER 1. WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS? IS THERE NO CONDITION ON HERE MARKED IN THAT REGARD? IT'S GOT 10. CONDITION 10, SINGLE SERVE INDIVIDUAL CONTAINERS OF ALCOHOL SHALL BE PROHIBITED. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYWAY BECAUSE A BOTTLE OF WINE IS A SINGLE CONTAINER. BEER. DOES THAT CLEAR IT THEN? JUST CHANGE ALCOHOL TO BEER. WE NEED TO CONSIDER A BOTTLE OF WINE AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT WE COULD CLARIFY THAT. [OVERLAPPING] ESPECIALLY AFTER A FEW, THEY DOUBLE. CAN YOU JUST SAY SIX PACK OF BEER? SINGLE SERVE. SIX PACK OF BEER OR A BOTTLE? [OVERLAPPING] THE WAY YOU PHRASED IT BEFORE IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR. THEY COME IN FOUR PACKS AS WELL, BY THE WAY. WE WERE UNABLE TO FIND GUINNESS IN A SIX PACK. WE HAD TO GET TWO FOUR PACKS ON ST. PATRICK'S DAY. THAT WAS AT ALL THE GAS STATIONS WE WENT. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. BEER IS LIMITED TO FOUR AND SIX PACKS. IT SAYS YOU CAN GET A FOUR-PACK OF GUINNESS. BEER SALE'S LIMITED TO FOUR AND SIX PACKS? FOUR AND SIX, SURE. MULTIPLE. [OVERLAPPING] AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT TAKING BOTTLES OUT OF A SIX-PACK AND SELLING THEM TO INDIVIDUALLY. THEN WINE SALE'S LIMITED TO 750 MILLILITER BOTTLES OR LARGER. ARE WE TALKING ALSO ABOUT THOSE DRINKS THAT THE KIDS GET NOW? COOLERS? THE COOLERS. BECAUSE THOSE ARE SIMILAR ALCOHOL AMOUNT. TOTALLY. ARE THOSE INDIVIDUAL SERVE? [OVERLAPPING] NO. THEY ARE CONSIDERED FOUR-PACKS, I THINK. NO, NOT WINE. BECAUSE THEY'RE MALT. SOME ARE MALT. WHO REMEMBERS ARE MALT? WHAT PRODUCT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW THE ANSWER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT. IT'S WHAT MY DAUGHTER DRINKS, THAT'S ALL I KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] WHAT IS IT CALLED? LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. IT'S NOT BEER AND IT'S NOT WINE. IT'S NOT COVERED? YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] IT'S FOUR-PACK BEER AND SIMILAR BEVERAGES? YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] WHITE CLAW. WHAT WAS THAT? COULD WE JUST MAKE A STATEMENT THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THAT? BEER, WINE, AND THOSE COOLER TYPE THINGS, WHATEVER THEY ARE. YES. AND SIMILAR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. YES. POINT IS, IS THAT NO BEVERAGE IS GOING TO COME EITHER SMALLER THAN A FOUR-PACK OR SMALLER IN A BOTTLE THAN 750 ML. THAT SHOULD COVER IT. LIMITED TO FOUR AND SIX-PACK SALES. CAN THEY DO 12 PACKS? NO. OR LARGER. THEY ARE THERE. 12 PACKS AND CASES. YOU WALKING OUT WITH CASES ZIMA. THE NEW VERSION OF IT. IS ZIMA ALCOHOL? YEAH. IT'S BEEN SO LONG. [OVERLAPPING] THAT WAS A MALT. I THINK WE GOT THAT ONE. ANOTHER QUESTION. I'VE NEVER SEEN A LARGE CONTAINER AT A STORE. IS THAT A NEW? IF I READ THAT RIGHT, THE EMPLOYEE HAS TO CHECK YOUR ID AND THEN GO OVER THERE AND UNLOCK THE BOOZE. NO, IT'S LOCKED AFTER A CERTAIN TIME. THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER. [OVERLAPPING] GO AHEAD. PLEASE COME UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS BASHIR, THE OWNER OF MOBILE STATION IN CORNER OF ARTESIA AND INGLEWOOD. I DON'T KNOW HOW. IT'S THE ELECTRONIC LOCK WOULD BE ON THE DOORS, BUT BASICALLY, WE TRIGGER IT ONCE WE SEE SOMEBODY UNDER AGE, BUT IT WOULD BE OPEN ALL THE TIME. [00:30:02] ONCE WE SEE SOMEBODY IS UNDER AGE, WE WILL LOCK IT ELECTRONICALLY BY THE CASHIER. YOU DON'T CHECK THE ID FIRST. NO. I GOT YOU. YOU HAVE A BUTTON CONTROL LIKE A MAGNETIC LOCK. YEAH. MAGNETIC LOCK ON THREE DOORS. THAT'S WHY WE DESIGNED IT. IF SOMEBODY WE SEE UNDERAGE, WE WILL LOCK IT. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS. THAT'S GREAT. MAKES SENSE. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. THAT'S COOL [OVERLAPPING] I HAVE ONE. DO YOU HAVE MORE? THAT'S ALL I HAD. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. WE APPROVED, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THE FINAL NUMBER WAS OF THE CHARGING STATIONS. THE ACTION ITEM WAS FOR THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING TO SEND SOMEBODY OUT THERE AND MEASURE THINGS OUT TO SEE HOW MANY COULD GO IN. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT HAPPENED. HOW MANY DO THEY ALLOW? DID SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON STEP UP TO PAY FOR IT? NO. IF YOU WANT TO, I CAN GO THE DETAIL, I CAN TELL YOU. BASICALLY, IN 2023, WE WENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND APPLIED TO REMOVE IMMEDIATE CONSUMPTIONS FROM THE BOOK. SINCE 1972, THERE WAS IMMEDIATE CONSUMPTION IN THE BOOK THAT A GAS STATION WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SELL BEER AND WINE. IT HAS TO BE IMMEDIATE FOOD CONSUMPTION SO THAT WE WERE ALLOWED. WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL SIX-PACK OF WATER OR A CASE OF WATER OR BIG BAG OF CHIPS. AFTER GOING BACK AND FORTH IN SEPTEMBER OF 2003, CITY COMMISSIONS, THEY APPROVED IT. ONLY THEY CARVE THIS ARTESIA BOULEVARD. THEY REMOVED IT FROM THE BOOK, SO WE CAN APPLY FOR BEER AND WINE. THEN WE WENT TO ABC COUNTY, WE APPLIED FOR BEER AND WINE AND THEY TOLD US WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CITY AND GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVED BEFORE THEY ALLOW US TO SELL IT. THE REASON WE APPLIED FOR BEER AND WINE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, IN 2003, I CAME IN FRONT OF THE THIS BODY AND I ASKED VOLUME OF GAS IS DROPPING, THAT WE HAVE TO DIVERSIFY AND CREATE OTHER SOURCE OF INCOME FOR THE STATIONS. THE VOLUME WAS VERY HIGH THAT TIME NOW IT'S SHRINKING BY THE DAY. WE ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR TWO CHARGING STATIONS. YOU GUYS SAID, GO AHEAD AND GET EIGHT. I APPLIED FOR EDISON, THE FUND RUN OUT FROM EDISON, SO I HAD TO LOOK ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO COME UP. I'M INVESTING MY OWN MONEY NOW. IT'S IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW. WE APPLIED FOR 10 SUPERCHARGING STATION, WOULD CHARGE ALL KIND OF CARS, TESLA, HAMMER, ALL KIND, BETWEEN EIGHT AND FIFTEEN MINUTES, BUT THE COST IS A LOT MONEY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE INVESTING MONEY. I'M IN MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTIONS AS WE SPEAK. WHEN I APPLIED, I WAS WAITING FOR BEER AND WINE UNTIL THEY REMOVED IT. HAAGEN-DAZS COMMITTED TO HAVE A A ICE CREAM SHOP IN THE CORNER. FINALLY, THEY GIVE UP, SAYS TOO LONG, WE ARE NOT NO LONGER INTERESTED. I SPOKE WITH THE MICKEY'S DELI, WHICH THEY HAVE A PIZZA PASTA SHOP, AND THEY WERE INTERESTED. THEY'RE GOING TO COME PARTNER WITH US AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE SPACE IN OUR BUILDING SO THEY CAN COME UP. COOL. WE'RE RIGHT NOW IN A PROCESS OF EV CHARGING STATIONS, CONVERSION OF THE MECHANIC B TO C STORES AND DELI. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE MAIN PART OF ARTESIA CORNER. I THINK THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE $2.1 MILLION TO INVEST AND RENOVATE FROM A TO Z. THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING SO WE CAN RECUPERATE SOME OF THE INVESTMENT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THROUGH SALE OF BEER AND WINE. IT'S NOT JUST BEER AND WINE. WHEN PEOPLE COMES IN FOR A BEER AND WINE, THEY GRAB A BAG OF CHIPS, THEY GET WATER, OTHER THINGS, SO IT'S ADD-ON SALE. THAT'S THE REASON SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE GOES TO RAMS GAME OR CHARGERS GAME, THEY STOP. ALWAYS, THEY ASK FOR BEER AND WINE. I SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT. THEY WERE GOING ACROSS THE STREET IN THAT'S WHY I DECIDED TO PURSUE THIS AND ASK FOR PERMIT TO SEE IF WE CAN SELL IT. QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTION? PLEASE GO AHEAD. IF YOU SHOULD GET THIS APPROVAL, WOULD YOU BE SERVING BEER AND WINE AT THE DELI? NO. NOW, AT THE DELI, THEY'D BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND EAT A SANDWICH? YEAH. YOU HAVE SIT DOWN TABLES OR CHAIRS? NO. [00:35:02] THEY WOULD NOT HAVE IT. IT'S NOT ON-PREMISES EATING. IT'S TO GO. IT'S JUST TO TAKE OUT. TAKE OUT. ALSO, WE PUT THE SAFEGUARDS BETWEEN US, WE PUT A DOOR BETWEEN OUR STORE AND THEIRS, ONE THING, TO PREVENT PEOPLE COMING FROM THIS SIDE TO THAT SIDE. WE HAVE LOCATED THE CASHIER, WHERE THEY STOP PEOPLE GOING ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S ONE OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH MICKEY'S, SO THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW ANYBODY TO CONSUME ON THE PROPERTY. THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT. IS THIS TWO SEPARATE BUSINESSES THAT ARE BOTH OWNED BY YOU? NO. MICKEY'S IS GOING TO BE LEASING PART OF OUR BUSINESS. THIS IS MICKEY'S IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT IS SUBLEASING SPACE TO PUT THEIR DELI ON YOUR PROPERTY. YEAH. LET'S GO ON. JUST TO ADD ON, WE TOOK EVERY PRECAUTION THAT POSSIBLY WE CAN. THAT WAS OUR COMMITMENT. THE THINGS THAT THEY EXPLAINED THAT IN THE PRESENTATIONS. BASICALLY, WE ARE COMMITTED NOT TO SELL SINGLE SERVING BEERS. ANYTHING CAN, WE WOULD NOT SELL IT. IT HAS TO BE SIX PACK OR LARGER. THAT'S BEER AND WINE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE COMMITTED AND WE WILL HAVE A CAMERA ON TOP TO PREVENT CRIME AND THEFT AND RUN ON THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. ON THE WINE AND BEER SPECIFIC CAMERAS, THERE'S A LOT OF SAFEGUARD WE PUT IN TO PREVENT ANY THEFT OR SELL OF BEER AND WINE TO MINORS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. SCULLY. I WAS WONDERING AS PART OF THEIR CUP IF THEY HAVE CERTAIN INSTANCES, WHEN IT WAS ABOUT PANHANDLING. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN CONTROL NECESSARILY VERY WELL. IS THIS JUST LIKE A CONTINUED IF THERE'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM AND OBVIOUSLY, THEY CAN CALL THE POLICE HAVE THEM. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE HAD SIMILAR SITUATION? IT REALLY FALLS INTO THE NUISANCE CATEGORY AND REPORTING OF THE NUISANCE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DOCUMENTATION OF IT. IT'S REALLY CASE BY CASE. WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF THE TYPES OF USES THAT MAY BECOME PROBLEMATIC, LIQUOR SALES. WE JUST CARRY THAT FORWARD. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES IN THE PAST WHERE THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. IT'S JUST AN EXTRA PRECAUTION AND IT'S CALLED OUT. IT'S MORE OF JUST [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT'S MORE OF LEGACY ISSUE. BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO SEE IF WE HAVE ISSUES IN THE CITY WITH HOMELESS AND THAT WOULD BE IF PEOPLE START HANGING OUT HIS BUSINESS AND THAT CAN POTENTIALLY JEOPARDIZE A CUP, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING OF CONCERN. I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN TO HIM. ESPECIALLY AS YOU PAYING $2.1 MILLION IN UPGRADES TO HAVE THAT UPSET BY A PERSON JUST LOITERING AROUND. THAT'S WHY I TOOK EVERY PRECAUTION. [OVERLAPPING] THE CAMERA. THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY PROBLEM FOR THE CITY OR FOR US. VERY GOOD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I ALWAYS LOOK THIS WAY FIRST. GO AHEAD, SIR. JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE PANHANDLING ISSUE. IT BECOMES AN ISSUE THAT COULD RESULT IN HIS CP BEING REVOKED IF THERE ARE A LOT OF INSTANCES WHERE POLICE HAVE TO COME AND SHOE AWAY PANHANDLERS. THAT NOT DISCOURAGE THE OWNER FROM CALLING THE POLICE AND TRYING TO DO IT HIMSELF AND MAYBE DOING SOMETHING SAFE. WE WOULD REVIEW THE CIRCUMSTANCES BEHIND THE DETERMINATION OF BECOMING A NUISANCE. WITH THE OWNER CALLING QUICKLY TO RESPOND, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BODE IN THE OPERATOR'S FAVOR. WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CALLS, BUT THAT'S REALLY IT'S [OVERLAPPING] THE CALLS HE MAKES OR BOLSTER HIS. THE CALLS NEIGHBORS MAKE. THAT COULD BE [OVERLAPPING] YOU NEED TO MANAGE YOUR PROPERTY, YOU NEED TO GET A REMEDY QUICKLY AS A PROPERTY OWNER, TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK IN THE OPPOSITE WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS. I'LL CALL THE CARDS THAT BEEN FILLED OUT. FIRST I HAVE JIM MUELLER. [00:40:03] FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I'M NOT AGAINST A BUSINESS OWNER EXPANDING HIS BUSINESS AND TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT. BUT I DO REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DENY THIS REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO SELL BEER AND WINE FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION AT THIS SITE ON ARTI BOULEVARD AT THE CORNER OF INGLEWOOD AVENUE. THERE ARE ALREADY PLACES WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THIS LOCATION TO BUY BEER AND WINE FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION, AND SEVERAL TO BUY ALCOHOL FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION. THE GAS STATION SERVICES PEOPLE STOPPING BY IN THEIR CARS. I CAN ENVISION A CUSTOMER BUYING A SIX PACK HERE, GASSING UP HIS CAR AND HAVING ONE FOR THE ROAD, ADDING TO THE HAZARDS IN AN ALREADY CROWDED TRAFFIC AREA. ARTESIA BOULEVARD HAS BECOME NOTORIOUS AS THE GO TO GET HIGH STRIP. THE CITIZENS OF NORTH REDONDO HAVE BEGUN TO REALIZE WHAT THE SMOKE SHOPS ARE SELLING ALONG WITH THE LIQUOR STORES AND BARS. IF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THESE CITIZENS VOICES, THEY WOULDN'T BE RECOMMENDING THE CUP CHANGE. DO THE OWNERS EVEN LIVE IN NORTH REDONDO WHERE THEY PLAN TO SELL THEIR ALCOHOL? WE IN NORTH REDONDO DO NOT NEED MORE PURVEYORS OF ALCOHOL OR WEED OR THC. THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED EXCLUDING ARTESIA FROM CANNABIS SALES. WHY IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDING ANOTHER PLACE TO BUY A HABIT FOR THE INTOXICANT? NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL PROFIT THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE WILL HAVE AND HOW MUCH TAX REVENUE THE CITY WILL GET. WHERE ARE THOSE STATISTICS FROM THE SALE FROM APPROVAL OF THE CUP? AGAIN, I ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOT TO APPROVE THE CUP, TO BEGIN TO RESTORE SOME COMMUNITY BASED FAMILY ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT ON WHAT IS THE MAIN STREET OF NORTH REDONDO BEACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS FOR MIKE GRADY. MIKE GRADY, INDEPENDENT REPAIR AND TIRE PROS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE MOBILE GAS STATION. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1985, I'M THE OWNER, AND WHAT I HAVE TO ADD TO THIS IS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH MASHER ON THIS WHOLE IDEA FOR A LONG TIME. I KNOW THE HOMELESS POPULATION THIS ON BOULEVARD. IF YOU LOOK AT POLICE REPORTS, I'VE NEVER CALLED IN FOR HOMELESS. I'VE HELPED MOVE THEM ALONG. THEY USE MY RESTROOM FROM TIME TO TIME. I HAVE A NICE CLEAN, LARGE RESTROOM, AND WE HAVE TO CLEAN IT A LOT OF TIMES AFTERWARD. YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE AREA. THERE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND THERE PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL BE. BUT AS FAR AS THE BEER AND WINE, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE TO GO TO BE A PROBLEM. I CAN SEE PEOPLE COMING TO A STORE, STOPPING AT MICKEY'S DELI, PICKING UP AN ITALIAN SANDWICH AND MAYBE SOME WINE AND HEADING HOME. THESE THINGS HAPPEN AFTER WORK, YOU GO SOMEWHERE AND GET SOMETHING. HE NEEDS THE REVENUE FROM NOT ONLY THE MICKEY'S DELI, THE MINI MARKET BEING ABLE TO SELL PRODUCT, THE CHARGING STATIONS AND EVERYTHING HE'S TRYING TO DO BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED AND SEEN HOW HIS AUTOMOTIVE BUSINESS, AS MINE HAS, HAS DECREASED AND HAVE THE SALES OF GASOLINE, WHICH HAVE GONE WAY DOWN. THE ADVENT OF THE ELECTRIC CARS, THE HYBRID CARS, THE HIGHER GAS MILEAGES, AND FEWER CARS IN THE AREA, CONSUMING GAS IS KILLING THEM. I WOULD REQUEST YOU TO PLEASE ALLOW HIM TO HAVE THIS BENEFIT. HE'S DONE EVERYTHING THAT HE CAN TO PROTECT LAKE CITY AND ME BEING IN NORTH REDONDO FROM THIS BEING ABUSED, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT THING FOR THE CITY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A PLACE TO CHARGE THEIR ELECTRIC CARS. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN REDONDO. I HAVE TWO TEST LIST. HOPEFULLY, PEOPLE COULD COME IN THERE, PUT THEIR CAR ON CHARGE, GO INSIDE, DO A LITTLE GROCERY SHOPPING, GET BEER AND WINE, IF YOU WILL, AND GET SOME SANDWICHES AT THE DELI, AND THEN GET BACK IN THEIR CAR AND PLUG IT AND GO HOME. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CONSUME IT RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF INGLEWOOD AND ARTESIA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. I DO RECOMMEND YOUR SHOP, I'VE USED IT IN THE PAST. [LAUGHTER] GET A SHOUT OUT FOR THAT. HOLLY OSBORNE. I SAW HER BACK HERE A MINUTE AGO. HOLLY OSBORNE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME UP. GEORGETTE KANTER, DISTRICT 2. IF THAT IS TRUE, I AGREE WITH MR. MUELLER THAT THE COUNCIL DID RULE AND SAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE CANNABIS BETWEEN INGLEWOOD AND AVIATION. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN AS LITTLE DRUG FREE CANNABIS FREE AS POSSIBLE. [00:45:02] BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SITUATION. THERE'S A GAS STATION ON PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY AND TORRANCE BOULEVARD ON THE WEST SIDE. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL BEER AND WINE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED. HE TOLD ME WHEN I WAS RUNNING THE CAMPAIGN, AND HE ALLOWED EVERYBODY TO PUT THEIR SIGNS UP. I WAS TALKING TO HIM. HE SAID, HEY, WHY CAN'T I SELL BEER AND WINE AT MY GAS STATION? I SAID, I DON'T KNOW. HE SAID, BILL BRAND AND NILS HAD SAID AT ONE POINT, NO, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THERE'S A BUS STOP THERE. PEOPLE GET OFF AND THEY BUY BEER AND WINE, AND THEN THE DEGRADE PEOPLE'S LAWNS OR WHATEVER IT IS. WELL, THERE'S BUS STOPS ALL UP AND DOWN ARTESIA, TOO, SO THEY CAN'T USE THAT ARGUMENT. IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND TELL THAT GUY, GO AHEAD AND APPLY AGAIN BECAUSE IF HE'S DENIED, THAT'S REALLY AGAINST HIS RIGHTS. I'D RATHER NEITHER ONE OF THEM DO, BUT IN HIS CASE, ALSO, THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S A CVS PHARMACY ACROSS THE STREET THAT SELLS BEER AND WINE. HE'S WONDERING WHY CAN'T HE. ANYWAY, IT'S GOT TO BE FAIR NO MATTER HOW THIS IS RULED. HOPEFULLY, IT'S FAIR TO THIS OTHER GENTLEMAN TOO. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT HE JUST HAS TO APPLY BECAUSE THE RULES HAVE CHANGED. NO. HOW HAVE THEY CHANGED? WE CAN ASK STAFF FOR THAT. WE CAN ASK STAFF FOR THAT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. WELL, DEPENDING ON THIS OUTCOME, THAT PROBABLY HE SHOULD. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS PRESENT OR ANYONE ONLINE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? NO E-ATTENDEES WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION YOU WANTED TO ASK STAFF, MR. BOSWELL? NO, BUT SINCE I CAN'T ASK ANYONE ELSE, I WILL. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THIS GAS STATION IS BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE DOWN THERE. IS IT IN THE COASTAL ZONE OR IS THERE SOME REASON WHY THEY? WELL, THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S OCCURRED. I THINK IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, ENACTED A VERY SPECIFIC ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ALCOHOL SALES AT SERVICE STATIONS, WHERE IT WAS NOT PERMITTED BEFORE. NOW THAT'S IN PLACE. I REMEMBER THIS COMING TO US SOME MONTHS BACK AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDED BASED ON SOME PRETTY SERIOUS AND AUTHENTIC STATISTICS IN POLLING THAT IT WAS A BAD IDEA, AND WE TURNED IT DOWN, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL REVERSED THAT, APPARENTLY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND NOW IT IS A SALE GAS STATION. GO AHEAD. WE TALKED WITH BOTH OF YOU GUYS. THIS CAME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING SALES OF ALCOHOL AT GAS STATIONS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT. HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL DID. NORTH REDONDO COUNCIL PEOPLE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SELL ALCOHOL AT GAS STATIONS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SO THEY REVERSED OUR DECISION. NOW IT IS LAW THAT WE CAN HAVE BEER AND WINE AT GAS STATIONS. WE'RE NOT REALLY DISCUSSING THAT. WE'RE DOING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. WHAT WAS DECIDED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ALCOHOL SALES WEST OF PCH. THAT'S HOW THAT AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE GAS STATION WEST OF PCH. CORRECT. IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE HE ALSO CAME IN FRONT OF US TO DISCUSS CONSTRUCTION. WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT TIMES THAT WE'VE MET WITH YOU. CORRECT. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN COME BACK UP. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? NO, SIR. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY 00:48:45] THE WEATHER IS DIFFERENT. WAS IT THE COASTAL COMMISSION? I THINK IT WAS A WHOLE ANOTHER THING. [OVERLAPPING] THE COUNCIL IN DISTRICT 4 FOR SURE, WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS. THERE WAS AN ISSUE IN THE COASTAL ZONE, I DO REMEMBER THAT. I BELIEVE SO. BUT YOU CAN STILL DENY. WELL, THEN THEY'LL JUST GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL WILL OKAY IT BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY OKAYED THE SALE BEER AND WINE AT GAS STATIONS. BUT JUST FYI, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DIDN'T NEED ANY MORE ALCOHOL SALES. WE HAVE ENOUGH LIQUOR STORES, WE HAVE THE GROCERY STORES, WE HAVE CVS, AND SO WE SENT THOSE ARGUMENTS FORWARD AND WE LOST. EXCUSE ME. YOU'VE SPOKEN. WE CAN'T HAVE THE DIALOGUE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE AUDIENCE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. COMMISSION HAD EXPLAINED. I WAS AT THE MEETING OF THE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THAT CAME UP AND THAT'S VERY ACCURATE WHAT HAPPENED. [00:50:03] THERE WAS A COMPONENT ABOUT THE COASTAL ZONE IN THAT. NOTHING WE CAN DO OR SAY CAN CHANGE WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER DECIDED, UNFORTUNATELY. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A CUP FOR THIS CASE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LIMITED TO DISCUSSING. [OVERLAPPING] WELL, NO, I'M SORRY. WE CAN'T HAVE THE DIALOGUE GOING BACK AND FORTH. THE ORDER IS YOU COME UP, SPEAK. WE WILL LET YOU SPEAK. WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. COMMISSIONER GADDIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? THERE WAS A CONCERN BROUGHT UP BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES, SOMEBODY BUYS A SP, TAKES IT OUT TO THEIR CAR THAT THEY'RE FILLING UP WITH GAS AND DECIDES TO HAVE A RODDIE RIGHT THERE IN THE STATION. WHAT PUNISHMENT COMES OUT INTO WHO AND HOW IS THAT ENFORCED AND IS IT UP TO THE PROPRIETOR TO REPORT THAT THAT HAS OCCURRED? I WOULD THINK. THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE LAW. THEY COULD BE PULLED OVER AND CITED FOR PUBLIC INTOXICATION. [OVERLAPPING] VEHICLE CODE ISSUES THAT THE POLICE WOULD HANDLE. IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH THEY DRANK IF THEY WERE OVER 0.088, THEN IT WOULD BE. WE HAVE MULTIPLE. IF YOU'RE IN A CAR WITH A KEY THERE AND YOU HAVE THE BOTTLE IN THERE AND YOU HAVE 0.08, EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T DRIVING, YOU'RE STILL DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT INCENTIVIZES WITH CHARACTER STICK, THE PROPRIETOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE REPORTED WHEN THEY OCCUR. I'M THINKING OF THE PRACTICALITY OF IT. ALSO, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE RELATED TO ALCOHOL ON CONSUMPTION ONSITE [OVERLAPPING] ALSO SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF PROPRIETOR WILL REPORT ANY ONSITE CONSUMPTION. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. MOST LIQUOR STORES HAVE THOSE IN THE PARKING LOTS, SO THAT SHOULD BE SIMPLE TO DO. [OVERLAPPING] WE GOT TO REPORT IT. THEY'RE ALREADY DRINKING ON YOUR [OVERLAPPING] ANY SIGN MENTIONING OR IMPLYING THERE'S ALCOHOL HERE BE AGAINST THE RULES. WE'RE HAVING MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS. CAN WE JUST HAVE ONE AT A TIME. PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR. BOSWELL. IS IT MY TURN? YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION, MR. BOSWELL. WELL, THERE'S A PROHIBITION OF SIGNAGE RELATING TO ALCOHOL SALES. WOULD A SIGN THAT SAYS NO ONSITE CONSUMPTION, IT IMPLIES THERE'S ALCOHOL. BUT THAT'S NOT ADVERTISING OF ALCOHOL AND THIS COULD BE LIMITED TO [OVERLAPPING] [OVERLAPPING] DON'T DRINK IT HERE. MOST OF THE TIME, LIQUORS, YOU'LL SEE IT'LL ACTUALLY CITE THE VEHICLE CODE VIOLATION, NO PUBLIC CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL, AND IT HAS REFERENCES, THE VEHICLE CODE SECTION ON IT. EVEN IF YOU BROUGHT YOUR OWN. YEAH. BUT WE CAN HAVE A LIMITED INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE PROHIBITING ONSITE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL. DO WE SEE THIS AT OTHER GAS STATIONS I KNOW. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THEY USE THE SAME THING THEY DO AT LIQUOR STORES. WE'D HAVE TO WRITE THAT IN THE BOSWELL THAT THE APPLICANT, I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE HIM BECAUSE OF THE PODIUM. I CAN SEE HIM. BUT HE'S STATING THAT HE'S ALREADY REPORTING PEOPLE WHO ARE INTOXICATED WHO COME TO HIS ESTABLISHMENT. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN. IS THE SIGN ITSELF NOT A WAY OF TELLING PEOPLE, HEY, THERE'S ALCOHOL FOR SALE HERE? I DON'T THINK SO. NO. IT'S JUST SAYING PUBLIC CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, IS THIS WHAT WE SEE AT GAS STATIONS? I KNOW WE SEE IT AT LIQUOR STORES. DO WE SEE THIS AT GAS STATIONS? IS IT FAIR TO HAVE HIM DO THIS? NOT IN REDONDO. I THINK THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE. NO GAS STATIONS SELL ALCOHOL? THERE MIGHT BE SOME GRANDFATHERED ONES. I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT I THINK WE RESEARCHED THAT. AT THE COUNCIL MEETING WE HAD A LIST OF ALL THE GAS STATIONS. I THINK THERE WAS LIKE 10 OR 15, IF I REMEMBER. [00:55:02] I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY SELLING ALCOHOL. I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO HAVE ANY OTHER THAN THIS. THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST ONE. WHAT ABOUT THE RIVIERA VILLAGE. DOES THAT ONE SELL ALCOHOL? THE ONE ON MOBILE. THE ONE ON CHEVRON? THERE'S CHEVRON DOWN THERE. I THINK THAT ONE DOES. IS THAT IN RIVIERA VILLAGE? I'M NOT 100% SURE, BUT WE COULD LIMIT IT TO TWO SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM ON THE BUILDING ITSELF, NOT ON THE PUMP ISLANDS. MUST HAVE A PICTURE OF HANDCUFFS ON IT. [LAUGHTER] COULD IT BE PRINTED ON THE SHOPPING BAG THAT THE BEER IS PUT INTO? [BACKGROUND] I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET IT ON THE SHOPPING BAG. VERY GOOD. I THINK YOU'RE BETTER OFF PUTTING IT OUTSIDE THERE THAN ON THE BAGS. IT'LL BE VISIBLE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS OR FOR THE PUBLIC? MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OUR NEXT STEP HERE IS DELIBERATE ON THE ITEM. AS I PROBABLY PREVIOUSLY STATED, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE SALE OF ALCOHOL AT GAS STATIONS, AND ALTHOUGH, AS A COMMISSION, WE DIDN'T SUPPORT IT, IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF OUR HANDS, AND THE COUNSEL SUPPORTS IT, AND SO THIS BUSINESS HAS MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, SO I AGREE WITH THE RESOLUTION. CAN I ASK STAFF TO READ BACK THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO THE RESOLUTION? CERTAINLY, YES. IS IT POSSIBLE TO SHARE THE SCREEN? THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF YOU COULD SHARE THE SCREEN, I THINK, SO FAR, THERE'S TWO AMENDMENTS. THERE'S THE BLUE FOLDER VERSION. WE COULD JUST QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THOSE. CAN I DO A ONE PAGE VERSION? GO TO THE TOP. YOU WANTED ALL OF THEM, ALL CHANGES? YEAH. THROUGH THE BLUE FOLDER, MAYBE JUST GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP. WE'LL JUST RUN THROUGH IT. JUST SCROLL DOWN THROUGH IT UNTIL WE HIT ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS. THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT IN THE FINDINGS, A TIME PERIOD WITHIN WHICH THE PROPOSED USE SHALL BE DEVELOPED. WE PUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR. IT'S ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR THAT LIMITATION ON THEY'VE GOT TO ACT ON THIS WITHIN THREE YEARS OR THIS IS NULL AND VOID, SO WE MADE THAT AMENDMENT. IT SAYS NO BILLBOARD, SO IT DOESN'T COUNT OUR WARNING SIGN, RIGHT? NO. THEN THIS IS THE AMENDMENT THAT WE'VE MADE TO CONDITION 10. I DON'T KNOW WHY I CHANGED THE NUMBER, BUT THAT IS CONDITION 10. WE ADDED THE BEER AND SIMILAR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES ARE LIMITED TO FOUR OR SIX PACKS, OR LARGER. [OVERLAPPING] NO. AFTER SIX PACKS. OR LARGER. WINE SALES ARE LIMITED TO 750 MILLILITER, OR LARGER BOTTLES. I THINK WE GOT THAT. THEN, THIS WAS A CONDITION WE HAD THAT REQUIRED THE EMPLOYEE TO BE 21 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER WHEN THEY WERE SELLING BETWEEN 10:00 AND 2:00. IT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT SELLING PAST 9:00, SO WE JUST STRUCK THAT ONE. THEY CAN BE WHATEVER AGE AT THAT POINT. HERE'S THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT WE ADDED TO REFLECT ALL THE CONDITIONS ON THE LAST CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT STRUCK THE HYDROGEN FUEL AND CREATED THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THE DELI, AND SWAPPED OUT THE HYDROGEN FOR EV. WE WENT THROUGH ALL THOSE CONDITIONS. [01:00:03] THAT WAS ANOTHER BLUE FOLDER AS WELL. THEY WERE ALL VERY APPLICABLE, AND THEY'RE ALL SITE CONDITIONS. THAT REFERENCES THAT THAT'S STILL INTACT. THEN THIS IS THE LAST CONDITION: A SIGN SHALL BE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY PROHIBITING THE ON SITE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SELLING ALCOHOL BEVERAGES THERE. YOU JUST CAN'T BRING YOUR OWN THERE EITHER AND DRINK IT. WHY 9:00? HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THE 09:00? THE ORDINANCE SAYS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FIND A TIME THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA SO IT ALLOWS THE PLANNING DIVISION TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHAT'S REASONABLE FOR THE AREA. IT DOESN'T SPECIFY A TIME, AND IN SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, IT SEEMED LIKE A TIME THAT MADE SENSE FOR HIM AND IT MADE SENSE TO US, AND IF HE HAD ASKED FOR LATER WE WOULD HAVE PUSHED BACK, BUT WE AGREED THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA BASED ON WHAT'S OPEN IN THE AREA. PLANNING CAME UP WITH 9:00 AND HE WAS JUST GOOD WITH IT. IT WAS A COLLABORATE EFFORT. THE REASON WE CAME UP WITH 9:00 [OVERLAPPING] PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, THAT WAY IT GETS ON THE RECORD PROPERLY. THANK YOU. THE REASON WE CAME UP WITH THE 9:00 BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE DOOR AT 9:00, SO NOBODY GETS IN [OVERLAPPING] ALL SALES STOP. THE ONLY THING IS JUST [OVERLAPPING] GAS CAN GET BY. GAS THROUGH THE WINDOW, SO IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SELL GAS. NO SANDWICHES AT MICKEY'S EITHER. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SIDE. IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN. IT'S UP TO THEM. THE DOOR WOULD BE CLOSED BETWEEN US AND THEM. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S THE TIME YOU'RE CLOSING SHOP AND YOU CAN'T SELL ANYTHING FROM A CLOSED STORE. THAT'S WHY I ASKED FROM 10:00 TILL 9:00, SO AFTER WE CLOSE THE DOORS, WE ARE SELLING THROUGH THE DRAWER, WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE TO SELL. THAT MAKES SENSE. IS THAT ALL THE CHANGES? YES, I THINK SO. THAT'S EVERYTHING. VERY GOOD. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE J1PC250386 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ADDED AS A PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. DO WE ROLL CALL VOTE? YES. ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER LIGHT. AYE. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER CRAIG. AYE. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. AYE. COMMISSIONER CONROY. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. YES. CHAIRPERSON LAMB. MOTION CARRIES. THERE YOU ARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEMS CONTINUED, CORRECT? WE HAVE THE L ONES LATER, SO WE HAVE ITEM CONTINUED FIRST. YEAH, CONTINUED. VERY WELL. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA ITEMS CONTINUE FROM A PRIOR AGENDA. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT WAS CONTINUED? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I'M SORRY, MR. SCULLY DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING CONTINUED FROM OUR PREVIOUS AGENDA AT ALL? ITEM K? NO, WE DO NOT. THEN ITEM L IS ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION. [L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION] DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? NO. THEN THE NEXT IS WE HAVE ITEM L1, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SEAN SCULLY, PLANNING MANAGER. JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE. THIS IS THE WISH LIST OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS IS HOW WE ADVANCE SOME OF YOUR INITIATIVES TO GET ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, OR TO PROPOSE THAT THEY BE PUT ON THE CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLAN. WHAT WE DID WE PROVIDED A REPORT THAT LISTS WHAT'S ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT'S PLATE RIGHT NOW. I'VE GOT A SLIDE THAT WILL WALK US THROUGH THOSE. IT WAS IN THE BRIEF REPORT THAT WE PROVIDED WITH THE PACKET. BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN NOW THAT UNDER GOAL 2: VITALIZE COMMERCIAL AREAS OF THE CITY. THERE'S THE AACAP IMPLEMENTATION, AND AACAP'S DONE, BUT THERE'S A PHASE 2 TO AACAP THAT COUNCIL [01:05:08] WANTS TO WALK THROUGH AND INVESTIGATE, AND THAT'S ROOFTOP DINING, LOT MERGER INCENTIVES TO TRY TO CREATE SOME LARGER DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL, AND NEW SIGNAGE STANDARDS. ADDITIONALLY, THE ARTESIA FAR INCREASE IS ON OUR PLATE RIGHT NOW, AND ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE ARTESIA AVIATION PARKING REGULATION UPDATE. WE, AT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, AND PLANNING COMMISSION WEIGHED IN ON IT AS WELL. BUT TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT ONE OF THE BIG IMPEDIMENTS IS ALWAYS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THOSE WERE ROLLED BACK. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN, YOU ROLL THEM BACK AND THEN YOU GET SPILLOVER PARKING IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE HEAR ABOUT THAT RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING YET IN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS RELATED TO COMMERCIAL PARKING SPILLING OVER, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL BE RE-INVESTIGATING AND BRINGING BACK THROUGH THAT STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM. OF COURSE, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. WE JUST HAD OUR PHASE 2 OF THE FINAL WORK EFFORT ON THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, JUST WENT TO COUNCIL THIS PAST TUESDAY. THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT WITH PLACE WORKS TO FACILITATE THAT ONGOING EFFORT AND TO WRAP THAT PROJECT UP. COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS, LET'S TRY TO GET THIS ALL DONE, AND IF SOMETHING STARTS TO BOG IT DOWN, THEY'LL PUSH THAT OFF, BUT THE PLAN IS TO GET THE ARTESIA ITEMS AND THE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL FAR ITEMS ADDRESSED, AND THEN WHATEVER ARTICLE 27 VOTE IS REQUIRED BASED ON THOSE LAND USE CHANGES, THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE HAPPEN THIS YEAR, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TO COMPLETE THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE EFFORT THAT WE STARTED BACK IN 2016. THE ATTRACTING NEW BUSINESSES TO THE CITY. YOU SEE THE PARENTHESES ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IT'S GOT THE DEPARTMENT INITIALS, WATERFRONT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHATEVER THE FIRST ONE LISTED, THEY'RE THE LEAD, AND THEN THE OTHER WERE INCLUDED WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM, AND WE HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THEM THAT ARE KICKING OFF AND TRYING TO ATTRACT NEW BUSINESSES. THEY'VE STAFFED UP, SO WE ANTICIPATE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK COMING FROM THAT EFFORT THIS YEAR AS WELL. THEN MARINA PARKING STANDARDS UPDATE. AGAIN, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE HARBOR, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE PARKING MIX AND HOW ANY REVITALIZATION EFFORTS AND THE BUSINESSES WILL BE ACCOMMODATED, PARTICULARLY WITH THE BOAT LAUNCH COMING IN AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THAT. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH THEM ON THE STANDARDS FOR PARKING. THEN THERE'S THE SUCCESS OF AACAP HAS LED TO A DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR ON PCH. RIGHT NOW, ALREADY ON THE PLAN, IS THE PCH CORRIDOR AREA PLAN EFFORT. WE HAVEN'T KICKED THAT OFF YET. WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE INFORMATION AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TO SEE IF WHAT STARTS COMING TOGETHER IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND THAT WOULD BE WITH THIS BODY AS WELL. THEN THE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS. THEY JUST WANT TO RE-LOOK AT HOW WE ISSUE THEM, WHAT TYPE OF EVENTS ARE INCLUDED UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THOSE PERMITS. WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT THIS YEAR. THEN GOAL 3, THERE'S INCREASE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. I KNOW THAT'S A NEAR AND DEAR INITIATIVE FOR THIS BODY AS WELL. CURRENTLY ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN LIST IS NATIVE PLANTING AND POLLINATOR REQUIREMENTS. PUBLIC WORKS IS ADVANCING THAT. THEY TOOK AN UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL LAST MONTH. I WISH I WOULD HAVE SENT WHAT THE LATEST AND GREATEST IS, BUT I DID REACH OUT TO THE CITY ENGINEER, [01:10:02] AND WE'RE PLANNING TO GET TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT INITIATIVE IS MOVING FORWARD. WHATEVER HAPPENS THERE, IT'S GOING TO COME HERE IF IT INVOLVES LANDSCAPING AMENDMENTS, OR AMENDMENTS TO THE LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE, OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AMENDMENTS, WHICH, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, IT WILL. YOU'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE EXACTLY HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AND HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. THAT'S AN ITEM WE BUDGET FOR. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIT THAT IN UNDER THE CURRENT WORKLOAD. WE'RE WAITING FOR THE NEW COUNCIL TO COME IN AND SEE HOW THAT EFFORT COMES TOGETHER. WHAT THE SPECIFIC DIRECTION IS THEY WANT TO TAKE WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION'S AWARE, BUT THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT USED TO MANAGE EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, THEY'RE NO LONGER A COMMISSION. TWO MEMBERS WERE BROUGHT OVER TO THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION. NOW THEY HANDLE THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION AS THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH. THEY HANDLE, I THINK IT USED TO BE LIBRARY COMMISSION, HISTORIC SOCIETY COMMISSION. YEAH, THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND THEN PRESERVATION COMMISSION, AND THERE WAS A FOURTH ONE. I CAN'T REMEMBER. RECREATION. [OVERLAPPING] BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THREE. I THINK IT'S FOUR. I CAN TELL YOU COMMUNITY SERVICES, I WAS AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT AND COMMUNITY SERVICES INDIVIDUALS WERE THERE GOING THROUGH ITEMS WITH THEM. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT USED TO BE HOUSED IN COMMUNITY SERVICES, SOME RECREATIONAL COMPONENT TO IT. ANYWAY, WE'RE GETTING THEN UP TO SPEED ON ALL THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ISSUES. THOSE ARE VERY PARTICULAR AND VERY SPECIFIC. WE DID A LITTLE TRAINING WITH THEM LAST NIGHT, AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST KEEP DOING THAT. THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. GOAL FOUR, INVEST IN THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. WE'RE LOOKING REALLY CLOSELY AT ALL OF OUR FEES IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE JUST JUST HAD A TWO HOUR MEETING TODAY WITH A CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE HIRED, THAT'S JUST WRAPPING UP THE FEE SCHEDULE OR THE FEE STUDY THAT IS TELLING US EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT COSTS IN REAL DOLLARS FOR US TO PROCESS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. WHAT WE CHARGE TODAY VERSUS THAT ACTUAL 100% RECOVERY COST IN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OVERHEAD, EMPLOYEE WAGES AND EVERYTHING, AND WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING TO THE END OF THAT STUDY. MARK'S GOING TO BE SCRUBBING THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, AND THEN THAT'LL GO TO THE COUNCIL. WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OF IT BECAUSE THE FEES ARE COMING IN A LITTLE BIT CERTAINLY MORE THAN WHAT WE CHARGE. THAT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT MOVES FORWARD, AND IT'LL PROBABLY BE IN ANOTHER MONTH OR SO THAT THAT ACTUALLY GETS TO COUNCIL. WE'RE WORKING ON FINISHING THAT AND THEN GOAL 6, ENHANCE THE DELIVERY OF CITY SERVICES. THIS IS THE CO LIVING AND SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY POLICY. I'M SURE YOU MAY BE AWARE, THE MAYOR IS VERY INTERESTED IN THIS AS WELL. THAT'S ALREADY ON THE LIST AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL BE MOVING ALONG PROBABLY WITH THE LAND USE ELEMENT. THERE MIGHT BE A POLICY OR TWO THAT THAT GETS ADDED TO WHAT'S IN THE LAND USE ELEMENT THAT FURTHER INGRAINS THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE SPECIFIC TO THAT. THAT'S ON THE LIST. I DID FIND THAT IF YOU WANT THE FOUR COMMISSION, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS FOUR. IT IS THE WRECK AND PARKS. WITH HISTORICAL PRESERVATION AND LIBRARY COMMISSIONS. YEAH. QUITE A MIX. I THINK THEY SPRINKLED IT WITH A COUPLE OF EACH ONE OF THEM OF THOSE COMMISSIONS. THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, TO BE HONEST, IS NOT SUPER STRAIGHTFORWARD. [01:15:02] IT'S VERY NUANCED, TRYING TO ARTICULATE HOW TO PRESERVE A HISTORIC RESOURCE AND WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO TO IT WITHOUT DETRACTING FROM IT. THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW, IT'S A REAL BALANCING ACT BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE PROPERTIES PRESERVED, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE SO STRICT THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER COMES IN AND BUYS A 1,200 SQUARE FOOT 1920S BUNGALOW, CAN'T DO AN ADDITION ON IT BECAUSE HE'LL DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC RESOURCE. THEN THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKING TO BULLDOZE IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ADAPTIVELY REUSE IT. THAT'S THE BALANCING ACT THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH THOSE. THEN THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, THAT'S STILL ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN LIST NOW, AND THE NEW COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT. THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO GET ON THE LIST THAT GOES TO THE COUNCIL. I HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER TONIGHT. GOSH. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A HEADS UP TO PREPARE A LIST. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S. THE PUBLIC SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME HEADS UP THAT. [OVERLAPPING] DOES SOMEBODY HAVE THE REPORT HANDY? DOES IT SAY THE DATES OF THIS STRATEGIC PLAN? YES, IT DOES. I THINK IT GOES TO APRIL, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY START RIGHT AWAY, I BELIEVE. IT DOESN'T GIVE A DATE. IT DOESN'T GIVE A DATE IT JUST SAYS. SEPTEMBER 2024- APRIL 20 THEY'LL DO SOMETHING IN APRIL, BUT THEY'VE GOT TO GET THE NEW COUNSEL UP TO SPEAK. SWEARING IN OF THE NEW COUNCIL IN APRIL. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MOVING FORWARD ON THIS. I THINK WE'RE SAFE IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS SOME THOUGHT AND THEN COME PREPARED AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. MR. BOSWELL, THIS REMINDS ME OF WHEN HOLLY GOT UP AND TALKED TO US EARLIER. NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CITY THAT REQUIRES SOMEONE WHO'S BUYING A CONDO TO COMMIT TO LIVING THERE FOR TWO, THREE, FOUR, 20 YEARS, AS FAR AS I KNOW. BUT THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, CERTAINLY CREATES MOMENTUM TO REDUCE SPECULATIVE BUYING OF PROPERTY THAT DRIVES UP PRICES. THE WHOLE STATE IS RUINING THE COMMUNITY UNDER THE BELIEF THAT MORE HOUSING BRINGS DOWN PRICES. BUT WHAT BRINGS DOWN PRICES IS NOT FOOLING WITH THE SUPPLY. THAT'S SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS, WHICH BY NOW WE SHOULD KNOW DOESN'T WORK. YOU NEED DEMAND SIDE ECONOMICS, WHICH MEANS YOU GOT TO IMPACT THE DEMAND FOR HOUSING IF YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BUY IT AND FLIP IT. THAT TAKES SOME OF THE COMPETITION FOR HOUSES FOR OUR HOMES OUT OF THE EQUATION. THAT'S ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE. IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE COULD PUT THIS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A CONDO OR AS A GROUP OF CONDOS OR EVEN A HOME THAT YOU COMMIT TO LIVING IN IT FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY A BILL THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS TRYING TO IDENTIFY PART OF THAT. THE COUNCIL, THEY WROTE AN OPINION LETTER ON IT ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO AND BASICALLY, IT WAS TO PREVENT SPECULATIVE BILL, THERE'S LIKE BLACKSTONE TO BUY BLOCKS HOME, AND THAT WAS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING. I FORGOT THE ASSEMBLY BILL THAT IT WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER THE COUNCIL ADOPTED AN OPINION LETTER BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME AMBIGUITIES IN THE WAY THE WARDING WAS DONE. IT'S LIKE THEY HAD HAD A DIFFICULT TIME IN THE BILL ITSELF, IT DOESN'T DEFINE, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE A BIG INVESTOR? IS IT YOU AND I DECIDED TO BUY TWO HOMES OR IS IT A BLACKSTONE BUYING 100? [OVERLAPPING] I UNDERSTAND. THEY WERE THEY WERE LOOKING AT SITUATIONS THAT HAPPENED IN ATLANTA, [01:20:07] FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH HAS BEEN A VICTIM OF THAT SAME TYPE OF SPECULATIVE PURCHASING. I KNOW THE CITY WEIGHED DOWN AN OPINION LETTER ON THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY RESTRICTION ON THAT. THE PROPERTY THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST WEEK, THE ONLY RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE ON OWNERSHIP WERE WITH REGARD TO THE LOW INCOME ONES, WHICH JUST SAID THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN INCOME WHEN THAT WAS IT. BEYOND THAT, THERE WAS NOTHING. ALL THOSE HOMES WERE OPEN MARKET, ONE PERSON COULD BUY ALL OF THEM RIGHT. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAD THAT SAME REACTION TO HOLLY. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK THAT WAS AN OPTION. WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN AN OPTION TO PUT THAT CONDITION? WE COULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT. [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK SO. IS THAT LEGAL TO RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM BUYING. LEGAL IS RELATIVE UNTIL YOU GET SUED. YEAH. THEY GET HERE, WHAT WE SAW WAS THE SUGGESTION WAS MET WITH, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. IF THERE'S A WAY TO LEGALLY MAKE IT MAKE, ESPECIALLY CONDOS. I THINK THE THING MIGHT BE TO SEE WHAT THE PROGRESS IS ON THAT ASSEMBLY BILL BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN THE COUNCIL WAS CONSIDERING IT, IT WAS IN, HOW BILLS GET CHANGED MULTIPLE TIMES AS THEY GO THROUGH COMMITTEE. IT WASN'T COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME, SO I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER WHERE IT'S AT. IF THE ASSEMBLY HAS EVEN CONTINUED THAT. BUT IF WE WANTED TO BRING THAT UP WOULD BE SOMETHING TO SAY, WE SHOULD ADOPT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. FOR HIRING CONSULTANTS, LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. I DID NOTICE, THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, SHAWN, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME STUFF ON HERE. OUR LIST WAS I DON'T KNOW, WE ACTUALLY HAD PCH ON THERE THAT WE DISCUSSED. RIGHT. WE HAD THE LANDSCAPING ISSUES, THE NATIVE SUSTAINABILITY. EASILY THREE OF THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT WE STARTED HERE. [OVERLAPPING] WERE THE ONES THAT DIDN'T CATCH. I DON'T REMEMBER. I WAS LOOKING FOR MY LIST. THERE WAS A BICYCLE THING, I THINK AT ONE POINT. CAN REMEMBER WE HAD THE WHOLE LIST OF THE STUFF THAT WAS IN THE. THREE OF THOSE THINGS ARE ON THIS, SO I THINK WE'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB. NEW BUSINESSES SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE BICYCLES. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SHAWN, DO YOU REMEMBER ON OUR LIST, DID WE HAVE TREE CANOPIES? YEAH, WE DID. WE CAME UP WITH THE TREE CANOPY. WE SAID TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT SIMILAR WITH PASADENA. PASADENA. WE HAD THAT ON OUR LIST. SHE'S DOING A LIST NOW. WE CAN MAYBE BRAINSTORM A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR SHAWN TO TAKE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HIT THIS ITEM AGAIN. WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT OPEN TO BE ABLE TO REVISIT IT ON THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS WE'RE NOT GOING TO THINK OF RIGHT NOW. WE CAN ADD IT AS ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT WE COULD GET A FEW THINGS HERE AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, AND CITY MANAGER SAID, NO, THAT'S ALL, I'M TAKING THIS TO THE SECOND WEEK IN APRIL. GIVE ME WHAT YOU GOT. IN SPRING. IF WE COULD SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE TREE CANOPY, WE TALKED ABOUT NATIVES AND WE TALKED ABOUT POLLINATORS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT, BUT THE ACTUAL CAN BE. I'M GOING TO BE GOING TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY COG NEXT WEEK, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT WATER ISSUES AGAIN, TOO, SO I'LL GRAB MATERIAL THERE IF IT'S IMPORTANT. THEN THE WATER CAPTURING, THAT I BELIEVE IS THAT ON THERE? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT TODAY [OVERLAPPING]. YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN. PRIVATE PROPERTY WATER CAPTURING FOR NEW BUILDS AND LARGE REMODELS AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. THAT ONE WATER BUREAU HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF INFORMATION THAN I GOT LAST TIME, AND I'LL GET SOME MORE NEXT WEEK WHEN I GO TO THE [OVERLAPPING]. TREE CANOPY REQUIREMENTS. I THINK WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE TRIANGLE FROM THE REDONDO SIGN DOWN TO THE HARBOR, BUT I THINK THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE TO HAVE IT DISCUSSED AT THIS POINT UNTIL. WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A PLAN FOR PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY, BUT ALSO HAVING A PLAN FOR THAT AREA. [01:25:01] WEST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. WEST OF PCH, CATALINA. THAT DIRT LOT THERE IN THE MAD? ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, WHAT DID WE DECIDE THAT WAS, GARNET? NO, THAT'S FRANCISCA. FRANCISCA? BUT I THINK THERE IS ALREADY A WELL DEFINED PLAN FOR THAT. WELL, SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH PCH. LIKE A CORRIDOR PLAN THOUGH? I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PLOT OF LAND THAT'S HERONDO ON ONE SIDE. RIGHT. HERONDO. CATALINA. CATALINA. FRANCISCA TO THE DIRT LOT. YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] ISN'T THERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE? THERE'S A WHOLE PLAN FOR THAT. I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALREADY PUTTING A GARDEN IN OVER THERE. WELL, THERE'S A GARDEN THERE. BUT WE AS A GROUP, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT IT WAS WHEN IT CAME IN FRONT OF US AND THEY WANTED TO DO IT. ARE WE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF IT OR THE HARBOR COMMISSION. THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED TO KEEP IT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT AT THAT POINT, COMING UP WITH A PLAN FOR PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY LIKE ACAP. THEN ALSO HAVING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR FOR THAT AREA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HARVARD DRIVE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A LITTLE SOON TO START. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH THE AES PROPERTY? YEAH. WHICH IS A LITTLE SOON FOR THAT. WE'RE PROBABLY JUMPING THE GUN ON THAT. YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] THESE DAYS. I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALSO THREW OUT THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A VERY SIMILAR PLAN TO ACAP DOWN THERE. THAT'S A HUGE AREA. SURE. YEAH. WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. WITH INCENTIVES FOR FARS AND STUFF. YEAH. I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING. HOW ABOUT SOMETHING IN DISTRICT 4 AND 5, CAN YOU GUYS THINK OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN TREE CANOPY AND WATER CAPTURING FOR NEW BUILD? SHOULD THE BIKE RACKS BE ON THIS RECOMMENDATION? THAT WAS ON ACAP, RIGHT? THE BIKE RACK. THAT'S ACAP. YEAH. THAT WAS IN THERE. I THINK THAT IS AN ACAP. IT HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET. THERE WAS A GRANT PUBLIC WORKS WAS TRYING TO GET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE TALKING CITY WIDE. WE'RE TALKING CITY WIDE, BUT I'M SEEING IF THESE GUYS BECAUSE I CAN THINK OF WHAT WE NEED ON OUR DISTRICT 1. WILL THAT BE REQUIREMENTS WITH A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A COUPLE OF BIKE RACKS PER SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF NEW COMMERCIAL? IT SHOULD BE BIKE FRIENDLY IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THE CITY MORE BIKE FRIENDLY. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. BECAUSE WE JUST PAINTED ALL THE BIKES PATH THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY NOW. YEAH. THAT'S DISTRICT 5 AS WELL. [OVERLAPPING] WHAT ELSE DID WE HAVE? A BIKE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE BIG ISSUE WILL BE THESE ADUS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I KNOW THAT WE'RE VERY LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO. STATE IS MESSING WITH US. [LAUGHTER] YEAH. STATE IS MESSING WITH US THERE. [OVERLAPPING] [OVERLAPPING] NORTH REDONDO DISTRICT 4 AND 5 PARK IMPROVEMENTS. MORE BIKE PATHS? [OVERLAPPING] THERE WAS SOMETHING THEY CALLED AT ONE TIME THE INLAND SOUTH BAY BIKE PATH, WHICH WOULD COME UP THROUGH THE UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINES THAT GO UP NORTH REDONDO AND KEEP GOING. THE GREEN STRIP PART IS GREAT, BUT WHAT ABOUT WHERE DOES IT GO AFTER THAT? I'M NOT SURE. I HAVEN'T BEEN UP THERE LATELY, BUT WHAT I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT ARE THE PARKS THAT ARE UP THERE, AND THERE'S THAT SMALL PARK AT THE TOP OF THE BIKE PATH. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE IN THAT AREA WANT TO DO WITH THOSE PARKS THAT'S NOT BEING DONE, ARE THERE ANY KIND OF ENHANCEMENTS? I WAS ON PARK AND RECS BEFORE THIS. THAT'S YOUR AREA ANYWAY. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE I LIVE. WE WERE PUSHING FOR PICKLEBALL AND THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED. PICKLEBALL A DEVIL'S SPORT. THEY WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A SEPARATE CHAMPIONSHIP PICKLEBALL MAJOR THING, AN AVIATION AREA. THE MULTISTORY STADIUM. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE PAINTBALL COURTS THERE, WHICH COULD COME OUT. THE QUESTION WAS TO TRY TO TAKE THE TENNIS COURTS AT ANDERSON PARK AND MAKE ONE A PICKLEBALL COURT, BUT THOSE ARE ALWAYS FULL WITH TENNIS PLAYERS. [01:30:01] WE ENDED UP SAYING, NO, TAKE THE LITTLE BASKETBALL COURT, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT WERE BUILT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION, AND IT GETS EXPENSIVE, ABOUT BUILDING SIX COURTS ON THE AREA, WHICH IS THE AVIATION HIGH AREA. THEY WERE TAKING A HALF, A 5, 3, OR FIVE MILLION DOLLARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. DIDN'T THEY DO A SWIMMING POOL RIGHT THERE? [OVERLAPPING] UNDERNEATH THE COURTS. WASN'T THERE TALK AT ONE TIME ABOUT PUTTING A COMMUNITY SWIMMING POOL UP IN THERE. I THINK THEY VOTED ON IT. I THINK THEY VOTED IT DOWN. DID THEY VOTE IT DOWN? I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ONE IN A WHILE. I THINK THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, ONE GOT RENTED OUT, THE VISTA MAYBE, AND THEY TOOK THE TENNIS. THEY DID DO OUT THE VISTA. THEY TOOK ONE TENNIS COURT THERE. THEY CHEWED ON THAT ONE. YEAH. I WAS STILL ON IT WHEN THEY DID THAT. DO WE HAVE THE PICKLE BALLERS IN HERE JUST TO TALK ABOUT IT? WELL, THEY'RE SO SHY. WELL, WITH THE QUESTION ABOUT BIKE PATHS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THAT EXTENSION. IT WOULD BE NICE TO INTEGRATE BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY CITYWIDE PLANNED. IT'S HAPHAZARD WHEN THESE BIKE PATHS GET- SEAN, BIKE PATHS? YEAH. WE JUST GOT KNOB HILL ALL THE WAY FROM PROSPECT COMING OUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BEACH, I BELIEVE. THEY CONNECTED A BIG CHUNK OF THE KNOB. WAS IT 85% DONE? [OVERLAPPING] BUT I THINK WHAT'S REALLY COOL AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S ALLOWED IN REDONDO, BUT LONG BEACH DID A LOT OF SHARROW ROADS WHERE THEY TOOK THE RIGHT-HAND LANE AND PAINTED IT GREEN. THEN YOU HAVE TO SHARE THE CAR WITH THE BIKE? MAYBE THAT WOULD FIT IN NORTH REDONDO. GET THE BIKES THROUGH ON THEIR HANDLES? THEY DID DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD. TORRANCE BOULEVARD AS WELL. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK I SAW THEM ON TORRANCE BOULEVARD. THEY'RE STILL THERE ON TORRANCE BOULEVARD. DO WE WANT TO HAVE THEM TALK MORE ABOUT ADD MORE BIKE PATHS? I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR THE FOUR AND FIVE DISTRICT PEOPLE, IF I COULD SPEAK FOR THEM AS ONE OF US. THE FUNNY THING IS WE DO THIS EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES IN FRONT OF US, WE AUTOMATICALLY THROW THESE IDEAS OUT, SO THIS IS GOOD. WE'RE JUST GETTING THEM WRITTEN DOWN. I THINK WE HAVE AT LEAST A FEW THINGS WE'RE THROWING AT SEAN. DOES BROADWAY HAVE? IT DOESN'T HAVE A GREEN? BROADWAY DOES NOT HAVE ONE. IT SHOULD BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A NATURAL. ALL THE FIRE TRUCKS AND THERE'S NO WAY? BECAUSE BOY, THAT'S SUCH A NATURAL WAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET OFF. DON'T THEY HAVE SOMETHING ON CATALINA? CATALINA DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. NO, THEY DON'T. IT GETS SO NARROW THERE. IT'S SCARY. THAT'S STILL TIGHT. IT'S HARD WITH PARKING ON BOTH SIDES PLACES TO DO IT. BROADWAY ONE USES AS A BIKE PATH ANYWAY. THERE'S HUNDREDS OF BIKES THAT GO BY EVERY DAY. YOU NEED IT PAINTED? THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING BECAUSE PCH IS SO DANGEROUS AND I'VE SEEN FATALITIES ON PCH OF CYCLISTS. IT'D BE SO NICE TO ENCOURAGE THEM ON BROADWAY, BUT YOU THINK BECAUSE OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THEY WOULDN'T GO? I THINK IT'S I LIVE ON BROADWAY. THERE'S 20, 30 CARS THAT PARK TO GET THE BIKES OUT OF THE WAY. BIKERS ARE USING IT ALL THE TIME. THE PROBLEM WITH ANYWHERE YOU RIDE A BIKE AS A CYCLIST IS THE PROBLEM WITH CAR DOORS OPENING? SO YOU CAN'T HAVE A BIKE PATH RIGHT NEXT TO PARKING, AND IT REALLY HAS TO BE SEPARATED TO MAKE IT SAFE. I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH BROADWAY TOO IS THAT YOU DON'T PARK PARALLEL THE STREET ON ONE SIDE, IT'S ON AN ANGLE, AND CARS ARE BACKING AT ALL THE TIME. I THINK THAT THE REASON FOR THE BIKE PATH IS TO MAKE THE CARS AWARE THAT THERE'S BIKE PATH BEHIND ME, SO WHEN I BACK UP, I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, SO IT'S PAINTED GREEN. THAT JUST BRINGS PEOPLE AWARENESS. I ALWAYS TAKE BROADWAY ON MY BIKE. IT'S JUST A SAFER WAY TO GO. KNOB HILL, WHY DID THEY NEED IT ON KNOB HILL? IT'S JUST TO BRING AWARENESS. THERE'S A BIKE PATH HERE. EXPECT TO SHARE THE ROAD. ANYHOW, JUST A THOUGHT. BIKE PATHS, SEAN. WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM TONIGHT. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE THE PROBLEM. [OVERLAPPING] IT'S ON THAT LIST, GOT THE LIST RIGHT HERE. GET IT WRITTEN DOWN. SORRY. I WASN'T LOOKING, SEAN. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TEXTING YOUR FRIEND. NO. HE'S ACTUALLY TYPING WHAT WE'RE SAYING UP HERE. [OVERLAPPING] DEFINITELY, YEAH. FIRST ONE, THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, THAT IS GOING TO COME TO YOU GUYS NO MATTER WHAT. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT AS A DEPARTMENT NOW. IF YOU RECALL, IT WENT THROUGH COMMISSION. THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO [01:35:02] IT'S INCONSISTENCY WITH SB 330 AND GOT TO COUNCIL, AND IT GOT CUT BACK, AND IT NEEDS TO BE RE-PUT BACK TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT. THAT'LL DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO ADVANCE THAT. I THINK IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WHEN IT DID GET TO CITY COUNCIL AND IT WAS CUT BACK WITH ONE UNDERSTANDING, THAT UNDERSTANDING ACTUALLY WAS NOT APPROPRIATE, SO IT PROBABLY HAS TO COME BACK. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM SOMEBODY IMPORTANT. THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF CONCERN. IT ENDED UP IT WAS MULTIFAMILY, SO EVERYTHING THAT WAS KNOCKED OUT WE HAD PUT IN FOR SINGLE FAMILY, IT COULD HAVE STAYED IN THERE WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY MARTIN, BY THE BIG CHIEFS. THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THAT. WE KNOW WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK AND TUNE IT UP. THEN WOULD THAT BE ALSO, SEAN, WITH A CONSULTANT, OR NOT? IT'LL PROBABLY BE WITH JUST STAFF. WITH STAFF. WE ACTUALLY ARE STAFFING UP, SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THE BANDWIDTH TO DO IT. THE FOUNDATIONS THERE, WE KNOW THE ISSUES AND THE CONCERNS AND WE KNOW WHERE THE STATE LAW BOUNDARIES ARE. WE'RE HOPING WE CAN BRING SOMETHING, GET THAT PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. I JUST HAVE TO FIND MY OLD NOTES. THE WATER RECAPTURE WE'VE GOT ON SITE, DOES THIS INCLUDE ALL CITYWIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR WATER RECAPTURE, OR IS THIS REFERRING SPECIFICALLY TO INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, WHETHER THEY'RE COMMERCIAL. YEAH. CITYWIDE, PRIVATE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S A GOOD SOMETHING TO TALK THROUGH. WHAT WOULD BE THE THRESHOLD TO REQUIRE IT? IS IT AN ADDITION TO A HOME, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN SOME ONSITE RETENTION BASIN? IS THAT TOO LOW OF A BAR? SHOULD IT JUST BE A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THEY DEMOED THE SITE AND NOW THEY'RE PUTTING A NEW HOME OR NEW CONDOS. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN PARSE THROUGH. CONSTRUCTION MAKES TOTAL SENSE WHEN THEY'RE SCRAPING A LOT. THEN IF THERE'S A REDEVELOPMENT OR A REMODEL, THE BIG DEAL ABOUT HOW YOU GET REALLY SPECIFIC HERE. IF YOU'RE LIFTING PATIOS, IT'S REALLY EASY TO CAPTURE WATER AT THAT POINT. A REMODEL OF, LET'S SAY, 50% WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CAPTURE WATER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ALREADY A STANDARD OUT THERE. WE DON'T HAVE TO REMAKE THE WHEEL. IT'S ALREADY IN OTHER CITIES. I DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A COMPLETE TEAR DOWN, YOU KEEP ONE WALL AND THAT GETS AROUND, BUT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY FIT THE NEED FOR WATER RECAPTURE. A REALLY INTERESTING STORY THAT SHEILA TOLD ME, THAT AT HER PROPERTY WHERE THEY LIVE UP IN DISTRICT 4 UP ON THE HILL THERE. GOLDEN HILLS. GOLDEN HILLS, YEAH. ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME PUMPS TO COLLECT THE WATER OR CAPTURE THE WATER. IT WAS MUCH MORE INEXPENSIVE FOR HER TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE WATER DIVERTED INTO HER BACK YARD AND IT'S JUST SINKING DOWN IN HER SOIL, AND SHE'S HAD NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER, AND IT WAS LESS EXPENSIVE. THE DOWNHILL NEIGHBOR LOVES IT. NO. I'M KIDDING. NO. IT'S WORKING. I KNOW I'D BE FRIGHTENED AS WELL. SHE HAD HOLES DUG IN THE BACK YARD TO EXPEDITE THE DRAINAGE. IT DOESN'T JUST SIT THERE AND PERCOLATE DOWN. THE HOLES, WELL, I'VE SEEN THEM BECAUSE CITY OF LOS ANGELES REQUIRES IT. IT'S A GARDEN THAT'S PLANTED WITH WATER LOVING PLANTS. MOST OF THE TIME DOESN'T HAVE WATER IN IT, BUT WHEN IT DOES, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, THE ONES I'VE SEEN. YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS. IT'S A GARDEN. WE'LL CALL IT A GARDEN. OR A MOSQUITO FARM. [01:40:02] SOUNDS BETTER THAN A SCULLY OR NOT? I DON'T HAVE ANY. WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE IF WE THINK OF SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY. SHOULD WE JUST SHOOT IT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL? THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THE THING IS INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS, IT NEEDS TO BE FROM THE BODY OF THE COMMISSION. CAN WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE JUST COLLECT THEM AND SEND THEM IN A GROUP TO HIM OR NOT? HOW WOULD THAT BEST BE? HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE BROWN ACT AND ALL? MAYBE, SEAN, WE COULD. IS OUR SCHEDULE SO CRAZY?WE'VE GOT A BIG CHUNK HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE STUFF ON THE LIST OR NOT. WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT LONG OF A DISCUSSION. OF A WHAT? IF WE WERE TO PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA. JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA THE NEXT TIME AND THEN IT WOULD BRING ANY IDEAS WE HAVE NEXT TIME. BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. WE GO WITH THIS. THEN IF IT HASN'T ADVANCED, WE COULD PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, JUST GIVE ONE MORE CRACK AT IT. BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE IT. PERFECT. VERY GOOD. THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL. NEXT ON OUR LIST IS ITEMS FROM STAFF. [M. ITEMS FROM STAFF] I THINK THAT'S RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW AS YOU CAN TELL FROM OUR LIST. YOU DON'T WANT ANY MORE THINGS? WHAT? A COUPLE OF UPDATES. WE'VE GOT A NEW PERMIT TRACKING SYSTEM THAT'S GOING ONLINE. WE HAD ONE THE END OF LAST YEAR. IT DIDN'T WORK OUT THE WAY WE HAD HOPED IT WOULD, SO WE QUICKLY SWITCHED GEARS. MARK HAD SOME GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH ANOTHER A SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY IS LESS EXPENSIVE. THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT IN AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SOFT LAUNCH THIS NEXT WEEK. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF INFORMATION UP ON THE WEBSITE. IT'LL GO LIVE THE WEEK AFTER NEXT. IT'LL PROVIDE A LOT MORE DATA ON HOW WE PROCESS, HOW LONG IT TAKES. MAKE SURE IT WORKS WAY MORE EFFICIENTLY. WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY REVIEW THE PLANS WITHIN THE SYSTEM, COMMENT ON THE PLANS, SHOOT OUT THOSE COMMENTS WITHIN THE SYSTEM. WE'RE COORDINATING NOW WITH THE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH THE PLANS WITHIN THE SYSTEM. THEY COMMENT ON THEM IN THE SYSTEM. THE EFFICIENCY, IT HAS GREATLY IMPROVED, AND IT'S WAY EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC, SUBMIT EVERYTHING ONLINE. WE'VE GOT TUTORIAL DOCUMENTS, GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS FOR EVERY DIFFERENT PERMIT TYPE THAT WE ISSUE. WE'VE REVISED AND UPDATED ALL OUR APPLICATIONS. OUR APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE SINCE WAY BEFORE I GOT HERE. I WOULD LOOK AT THOSE AND THEY WOULD BE FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THEY HAD WERE, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T KNOW IF THEY DESCRIBE THEIR CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES. THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF STUFF THAT HADN'T BEEN REVISITED IN A LONG TIME. WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG STEP FOR THE DEPARTMENT. MARK'S INSTITUTED QUITE A FEW CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT INITIATIVES. THE FEE SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE REVAMPED TO HELP RECOVER OUR COSTS. IT MIGHT NOT BE 100%, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL KNOW WHAT IT REALLY TAKES TO BRING A PROJECT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEN IF WE SUBSIDIZE THE FEE, THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL, BUT THERE'S THAT. THEN THERE'S A WHOLE ANOTHER STUDY. IT REALLY BROKE DOWN THE ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE INTERACTED WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF CONCRETE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING. THERE'S A LOT OF INTERNAL PROCESS IMPROVEMENT STUFF GOING ON THAT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, AND THE LARGEST BEING THE LAUNCHING OF IWORQ, THE NEW PERMIT SOFTWARE, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT ON THE WEBSITE. [01:45:08] I THINK THAT'S IT. PLENTY GOING ON. INDEED, THERE IS. ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON IN THIS CITY. NEXT IS COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS OR ANY FUTURE AGENDA TOPICS. ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD? NO. SPEAK NOW. FINALLY, NEXT IS ADJOURNMENT. AS I WAS TELLING COMMISSIONER GADDIS EARLIER, THE BEST PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK, THAT THE CITY HAS HAD IS OVER 20 YEARS TO THE HONOR OF THAT. ONCE AGAIN, DOING WHAT WE CAN TO HELP NEW BUSINESSES BE ABLE TO EXPAND AND OPERATE IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU, WAYNE. MOTION TO ADJOURN. THAT'S SUCH A NICE THING. THANK YOU. SECOND. SECOND. ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT? YES. AYE. YES. WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.