Apr 21, 2025 Public Safety Commission

[A. CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

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CALLING TO ORDER THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, APRIL 21ST, 2025. OFFICER LOFSTROM, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? ROLL CALL IS COMPLETE. WE ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG.

THREE, TWO, ONE.

OKAY. ITEM D APPROVE THE ORDER OF AGENDA FROM WHAT O H, WE HAVE A GUEST IN THE HOUSE!

[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]

ANY CHANGES? ANYTHING A NYONE WANTS TO MOVE AROUND? COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. SORRY? ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AROUND? I'M SORRY? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE AROUND ON THE AGENDA? COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. NO. OKAY. NO. COMMISSIONER GAUL.

NO, BUT JUST NOTING FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER SKIBA FINALLY GOT HER WISH TO HAVE A MEETING.

NANCY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A PRODUCTIVE MEETING IN YOUR ABSENCE.

PLEASE CONTINUE. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. NO. OKAY.

ANY BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. NEGATIVE. CONSENT CALENDAR.

[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]

ROLL CALL PLEASE. MOTION. JUST A MOTION. YEAH, RIGHT, MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. MOTION TO APPROVE HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SO MUCH EASIER.

RIGHT. THE CHAIR CAN CALL THE VOTE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

SO I KEPT DOING IT, AND IT SEEMED TO SLOW THINGS DOWN CONSIDERABLY, AND THEN A CITY COUNCIL PERSON RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO IT IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER, AND WE AGREE. GOOD FOR MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL.

PLEASE CONTINUE. ESPECIALLY FOR FOOTBALL SEASON.

ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? NEGATIVE. NEGATIVE.

OKAY. WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM H. THIS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS.

[H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA AS IT STANDS, AND IF THERE'S ANY ITEM ON THERE YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THAT AGENDA MOMENT, BUT RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT PLEASE FEEL FREE.

ANYONE ONLINE? YOU ARE GOOD ON ONLINE AND PUBLIC AND STAND BY ONE SECOND AND I WILL CONFIRM ECOMMENTS FOR, YOU.

NO ECOMMENTS. FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO-- MAY I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER ON THIS? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A REQUEST TO PUBLICLY SPEAK EITHER THROUGH COMMENTS, EMAILS, LETTERS, TELEGRAMS, PIGEON, WHATEVER, HOWEVER THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO SO.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE RECEIVED A LETTER IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS NOT READ DURING THE MEETING.

I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT WAS NOT DONE.

THE REQUIREMENT IS NOT THAT THEY'RE READ, IT'S THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED.

SO THEY COULD BE A BLUE FOLDER ITEM. THEY COULD BE THERE WAS ONE LAST MEETING, I DIDN'T GET UNTIL AFTER THE MEETING.

RIGHT. SO THEN IT SHOULD BE CARRIED OVER TO THIS MEETING? NO, IT'S ATTACHED TO THE ITEMS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

SO IT'S IN THAT AGENDA NOW. WELL, MY CONCERN IS THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT IF THERE IS A POLICY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A POLICY THAT THEY DON'T READ EVERYTHING OUT LOUD,

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FOR THAT INDICATES THAT WE ARE NOT TO READ THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT A LETTER, TELEGRAM OR OTHERWISE HOLDS JUST AS MUCH WEIGHT AS AN EMAIL DOES. OKAY. SO HOW ABOUT WE--I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN READ, AND IN THE FUTURE, IF ANY OTHERS COME IN THAT WE READ THEM, UNLESS THERE IS SOME ISSUE AS TO WHY WE SHOULD NOT.

SO ITEM K IS COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BRING THAT UP. WE CAN VOTE ON.

OKAY. ITEM 10. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CLOSING ITEM H. MOVING ON TO ITEM I. OKAY. I ONE DISCUSSION REGARDING

[I. ITEMS CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS]

OUR POLICE CHIEF DID AN ADMINISTRATIVE DID A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON 4/15 AND THE E-BIKE ON E-BIKES. THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT IS LOCATED HEREIN.

SO THAT SATISFIES THIS ONE. OFFICER LOFSTROM CITY MANAGER WANTED US TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S LATER ON IN HERE, ISN'T IT? YES. OKAY. J .7. J .7, OKAY. I.2. OH. I'M SORRY.

ANY COMMENTS? WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

NO. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. NO. COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

NO. COMMISSIONER GAUL. NO. I KNOW NANCY WOULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.

ON I .1 OR I .2? I .1. I.1. I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY GRANT FUNDS, ASIDE FROM THE BICYCLE RODEO SAFETY TRAINING COURSE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL SUBMIT THAT QUESTION TO OFFICER LOFSTROM.

UNLESS YOU TWO KNOW THE ANSWER. COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? IT MENTIONS THAT THERE'S A GRANT. IT'S CALLED THE OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY GRANT, AND IT FUNDS THE BICYCLE RODEO TRAINING COURSE.

I WAS WONDERING IF IT FUNDS ANY OTHER PROGRAMS. YES. LIKE, DO YOU LIKE A NUMBER OF TRAFFIC SAFETY INITIATIVES, LIKE CLICK IT OR TICKET.

DUI CHECKPOINTS, DUI SOUTH BAY TASK FORCE DUI TASK FORCE, LIKE BIKE PED SPECIFIC ENFORCEMENT, WHAT THEY CALL PCF ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS LIKE PRIMARY COLLISION FACTORS.

IS THAT LIKE, RED LIGHT, STOP SIGN, CELL PHONE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO YES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS, EVEN LIKE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, TOO, IF IT'S RELATED TO TRAFFIC SAFETY, LIKE A BIKE RODEO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WODNICKI.

I WITH THAT. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ONLINE? OH, NO. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I TWO DISCUSSION REGARDING LIST OF TOPICS PROVIDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NILS NEHRENHEIM DURING NOVEMBER. REGULAR MEETING. I MAKE A MOTION WE TABLE THIS FOR.

NEXT MONTH WHEN WE HAVE A MUCH LIGHTER, LIGHTER AGENDA, WE'VE GOT LIKE SEVEN ITEMS AND WE HAVE A GUEST SPEAKER.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ITEM? ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. NO. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM.

NO. COMMISSIONER GAUL. NILS IS A GREAT GUY, BUT NOT.

NOT THIS MEETING. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI.

NO. ALL RIGHT. MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? YOU VOTED TO CONTINUE.

CORRECT. OKAY. SO MUCH EASIER. THIS IS GOOD. ITEM I.3 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ADVISORY MEMO TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING TRUCK ROUTE MATTER WITH CITY OF TORRANCE.

WE WERE I'LL START THE DISCUSSION. WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS MONTH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ANOTHER CAVEAT TO IT WAS HAVING I'M GOING TO SAY RYAN LIU, BUT LIKE YEAH, THEM COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S THE UPDATE FROM WHEN WE PRESENTED TO SEE IF WE STILL NEEDED TO DO THIS. SO I'M GOING TO MOTION TO TABLE SINCE WE HAVEN'T CALENDARED RYAN LIU JUST YET.

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COOL. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION TO CONTINUE HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL OPPOSED? NOT ME. THERE WE GO. SORRY. DON'T WORRY. SCARY O VER HERE, ISN'T IT? WE ALL AGREE AGAIN. YES. ALL RIGHT. OH, WELL, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON TABLING ITEM I.3.

ANYONE ONLINE? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO J.1 WHERE WE HAVE AN UPDATE FROM OUR HOMELESS NAVIGATOR,

[J. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]

MY NAME IS LILA OMURA AND I'M THE CITY'S HOMELESS HOUSING NAVIGATOR.

GLAD TO BE HERE. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

SO EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU. SO I WASN'T TOO SURE WHY.

I DIDN'T GET INFORMATION ON WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO PRESENT, SO ALL I BASICALLY DID WAS I KIND OF GATHERED MY PLACEMENT NUMBERS, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN THAT, AND THESE ARE JUST MY NUMBERS AND NOT THE OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS LIKE CITY NET, HARBOR INTERFAITH, THESE ARE JUST MINE. OKAY.

DID YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE? THAT'S PERFECT. SO I TRY TO GET THEM IN BULK THEM IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND I BROKE IT UP BY YEAR.

WHEN I STARTED 2022, '23, '24 AND THEN UP UNTIL MARCH OF '25, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU JUST WANTED THE END NUMBER. NO, NO, NO. THE YEAR BECAUSE LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.

LIKE WE'RE GOING OVER ALL THE YEARS AND GOING, OH, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. HERE'S THE NUMBER OF SERVICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S GREAT. SO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH ARE PROJECT BASED HOUSING THAT HAVE CASE MANAGERS AND ALL THE WRAPAROUND SUPPORT SERVICES. SO PEOPLE THAT HAVE HIGHER ACUITY, WE CALL IT THAT NEED MORE HELP.

OKAY. SO IN 2022 I HAD 16, 2023, FIVE IN 20 24, 16, AND UP UNTIL MARCH 1ST, PERMANENT HOUSING COULD BE LIKE A HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER.

SO IT'S MORE INDEPENDENT. YOU GOT LIKE A SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER.

SO IN 2022, THERE WERE EIGHT, 2023 THERE WERE NINE, AND IN 2024 THERE WERE FOUR AND THEN FOUR IN 2025. OH, WOW, ALREADY. MM HMM. OUR PALLET SHELTER AND I KIND OF BULK THEM IN BECAUSE I DO WORK WITH OTHER CITIES. SO IF SOME I FIND SOMEONE THAT HAS TIES TO TORRANCE, I WILL WORK WITH TORRANCE.

SO FOR OUR PALLET SHELTER, TORRANCE, TINY HOMES, THE WEST LA VETERANS, TINY HOMES.

I HAVE 18 IN 2022, 10 IN 2023, 20 I'M SORRY, 20 IN 20 24 AND THEN TWO IN 2025 WE HAVE OUR BRIDGE HOUSING UNITS, OUR SINGLE ROOMS THAT WE RENT OUT. 2022 WE ONLY HAD FIVE.

THE CITY ONLY WERE ABLE TO RENT FIVE IN THAT YEAR, AND THEN 2023 I HAD 14.

2020, 20. I'M SORRY. 2024, WE HAD EIGHT, AND THEN IN 2025, WE HAD THREE.

WE ALSO WORK WITH THE SOUTH BAY COG VERY CLOSELY, AND THEY HAVE A PROGRAM SHARED HOUSING.

SO SOMEONE THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO WORK OR SOMEONE THAT'S ALREADY WORKING AND JUST CAN'T AFFORD AN ENTIRE APARTMENT FOR THEMSELVES. SO WE STARTED WITH THEM IN 2023.

SO I HAD THREE PLACEMENTS, 7 IN 2024, 2 IN 2025.

REUNIFICATION IS WHEN I AM ABLE TO WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUAL'S FAMILY OR FRIENDS.

I HAD 14 IN 2022 AND I ALWAYS TRY TO DO REUNIFICATION, AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S PARENTS SAY THEIR KIDS ARE NOT ACTING RIGHT OR MAYBE USING YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SUBSTANCE ISSUES OR JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AT HOME. I WORK REALLY CLOSELY AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET THEIR LOVED ONE BACK AT HOME

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SO 2022, I HAD 14, 2023, I HAD 21, AND IN 2024 I HAD TEN IN 20 25. WE HAD FOUR INTERIM HOUSING IS KIND OF LIKE OUR PALLET SHELTER.

A LOT OF THE TIMES THE INDIVIDUALS THAT COME TO REDONDO BEACH AREN'T FROM REDONDO BEACH.

SO OUR PALLET SHELTER IS NOT AN OPTION. SO THEY COULD HAVE TIES IN, SAY, LAWNDALE.

WE CAN'T BRING THEM IN OUR PALLET SHELTER. SO I HAVE TO TRY TO FIND A DIFFERENT LA COUNTY RESOURCE THAT THEY COULD STAY.

GET CASE MANAGEMENT, HOUSING, NAVIGATION. SO IN 2022, I HAD 32 2023.

I HAD 31 2024. I HAD 23, AND IN 2025 I HAD TEN.

THOSE ARE THE MORE DIFFICULT ONES BECAUSE I HAVE TO TRY TO CONNECT THEM TO THE AREA THAT THEY WERE FROM, AND JUST STRAIGHT EMERGENCY SHELTER. SO IT COULD BE A TWO WEEK STAY.

IT COULD BE THE WE HAD THE WINTER SHELTERS THAT WERE OPEN.

I HAD 30 IN 2022, 29 IN 2023, 22 IN 2024 AND 0 IN 2025. FAMILY EMERGENCY PLACEMENT. SO IF I FIND ANY MINOR CHILDREN WITH THEIR PARENT OR PARENTS THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLACEMENT.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND FAMILY PLACEMENT WITH MINORS.

2022 I HAD ONE 2023, I HAD THREE 2024 I HAD SEVEN, AND THIS YEAR SO FAR I HAD FOUR.

WE ALSO I WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN, AND OUR CLINICIAN CAN OUR MET TEAM? I CAN CALL THEM IF THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL THAT I KNOW I CANNOT PLACE THAT NEEDS MORE HELP.

THAT MAY BE A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.

SO 5150 HOLD WAS PLACED FOR SIX PEOPLE IN 2022 , TWO IN 2023, 14 IN 2024 AND TWO SO FAR THIS YEAR.

WE ALSO THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE ON OUR STREETS THAT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET INTO A SHELTER OR INTERIM HOUSING BECAUSE OF THEIR MOBILITY, OR THEY NEED A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE COULD ALSO BE SEVERE MENTAL HEALTH. SO WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE LOCAL HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOMS. SO IT COULD BE MENTAL HEALTH OR PHYSICAL. OKAY, SO 2022 WE HAD 13 CONNECTED TO HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE.

2023 WE HAD TWO 2024 WE HAD FOUR IN 20 25. WE HAD TWO DETOX OR RESIDENTIAL REHAB. I HAD 8 IN 2022, 14 IN 2023, 4 IN 2024 AND THEN ONE THIS YEAR. MISSING PERSONS THAT I HAVE RUN ACROSS THAT PROBABLY WERE MISSING FROM A DIFFERENT STATE.

I HAD 3 IN 2022, 2 IN 2023, TWO IN 2024 AND ONE THIS YEAR.

PEOPLE THAT WERE FOUND MAYBE IN THE EVENING AND I COULDN'T CONNECT THEM TO ANY SERVICES, AND THEY WERE EITHER YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WHERE I FELT THEY COULD NOT BE ON THE STREET OVERNIGHT.

WE PUT THEM IN A MOTEL UNTIL I COULD CONNECT THEM TO FIND SERVICES THE NEXT DAY.

SO EIGHT IN 2022, EIGHT IN 2023, 12 IN 2024, AND ONE THIS YEAR.

SAFE PARKING. ZERO IN 2022. I HAD 1 IN 2023. EIGHT IN 20 24, AND NOTHING IN 2025. CAN YOU DEFINE SAFE PARKING? WHAT'S SAFE PARKING? SO IF SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO GO INTO SHELTER BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN A CONGREGATE SETTING OR THEY DON'T WANT TO BE AROUND PEOPLE AND THEY FEEL SAFER IN THEIR CAR.

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SO IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM US. SO THEY COULD STAY THERE FROM 6 P.M.

IN THE EVENING TILL 6 A.M. THE NEXT DAY, AND THERE'S CASE MANAGEMENT THERE.

OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. WE ALSO HAVE THERE WAS ONE CASE, FAMILY PREVENTION.

SO IT WAS A FAMILY IN NORTH REDONDO THAT WERE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS IN ARREARS BECAUSE MOM HAD LOST HER JOB.

SHE WAS TAKING CARE OF HER BEDRIDDEN MOTHER. HER HUSBAND LEFT.

SHE HAD THREE KIDS THAT ALL WENT TO SCHOOL HERE IN REDONDO, AND SO WITH THE HELP, WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE HER HOUSING AND WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE, FIND A ROOMMATE TO RENT OUT A ROOM. SO SHE'S STILL LIVING THERE.

THAT WAS IN 2022. THANKFULLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE CASES.

THOSE ARE REALLY DIFFICULT. SAFE HOUSES. IT COULD BE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, LGBTQ SEX TRAFFICKING.

VICTIM. I'VE HAD 1 IN 2022, 1 IN 2023, 2 IN 2024 AND ZERO FOR THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S IT. THOSE ARE THE CATEGORIES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THESE CATEGORIES I'M HERE TO ANSWER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THAT'S WHY WE NAMED IT UPDATE VERSUS DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE WANTED TO JUST HONE IN ON QUESTIONS AROUND WHAT YOU SORT OF REPORTED OUT TO US.

WE WERE VERY CURIOUS AS TO SORT OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU WERE DOING, NOT NECESSARILY TO SORT OF LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER, BUT REALLY TO EDUCATE, BECAUSE THAT ONE CATEGORY ABOUT THE SAFE PARKING LOT.

I HAD NO IDEA. YEAH, THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING, AND WHEN WE READ THE CITY NET STATS, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET TO NUMBERS LIKE 200, AND THAT CLEARLY WALKS ME THROUGH HOW WE GET TO 200.

BECAUSE YOU PUT THE CATEGORIES TOGETHER, YOU MAY SAY ONE, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS ONE IN THIS CATEGORY, BUT YOU SAID 18 IN THAT ONE AND 12 IN THAT ONE.

SO YOU PUT ALL THOSE TOGETHER. I CAN CLEARLY SEE HOW YOU GET UP, AND THOSE ARE BY CATEGORY.

SO THAT'S EXCEPTIONAL. I DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T SAY IT BECAUSE YOU'RE HERE, BUT I'M JUST LIKE, WOW, THAT'S A LOT. MY ONLY QUESTION FOR YOU GENUINELY IS AND I'M GOING TO GO FIRST I USUALLY LIKE GO DOWN, BUT ARE YOU STILL FINDING JOY BEING LILA OMURA WITH ALL OF THIS SORT OF SADNESS? I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOU AS A HUMAN BEING BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU AS YOUR TITLE, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOU AS A HUMAN BEING.

LIKE, HOW ARE YOU DOING? YOU KNOW, THERE'S ROUGH THERE'S A LOT OF ROUGH NIGHTS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT REALLY ISN'T A JOB FOR ME. I FEEL THIS IS GOD'S PURPOSE FOR ME, AND SO I DO.

THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S BAD DAYS, BUT THERE'S ALSO VERY GOOD DAYS.

I'M ABLE TO WITNESS PEOPLE THEIR LIVES TRANSFORMED FAMILIES, YOU KNOW REUNIFIED, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL.

WE DON'T WANT ANYONE OUT THERE JUST FEELING ALONE.

HOPELESS. SO WE DO OUR BEST TO JUST WALK ALONGSIDE OF THEM, AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WHILE.

THE PEOPLE AREN'T READY. SO I HAVE TO REALLY WORK AT BUILDING TRUST AND JUST LISTENING.

A LOT OF LISTENING SO I CAN BETTER FIGURE OUT HOW TO HELP THEM.

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS LIST IS DIFFERENT.

YEAH. SO IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD THAT TRUST, S OMETIMES Y EARS, UNFORTUNATELY.

WOW. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. YES. THANK YOU. YOU INDICATED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL AGENCIES IN WHICH YOU WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH HOW MANY OF THEM ARE CONTRACTED WITH THE CITY? THAT'S OUT OF SCOPE. OUT OF THE SCOPE. YOU INDICATED THAT SHE NEGOTIATES THE CONTRACTS .

SHE DOESN'T NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS. I DIDN'T ASK HER IF SHE NEGOTIATED. I ASKED HOW MANY OF THEM WERE CONTRACTED. THAT MEANS SHE WON'T KNOW WHO'S CONTRACTED WITH THE CITY. HOW WOULD SHE NOT KNOW ? DO YOU KNOW? I WORK CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT REAL QUICK, I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT. I'VE BEEN GIVEN DIRECTION FROM CITY STAFF LEADERSHIP THAT AN INQUISITION INQUISITION OF THIS NATURE WILL NOT OCCUR.

HOW IS THIS? I WON'T ALLOW IT TO OCCUR. YOU WON'T ALLOW IT IF I DEEM IT INAPPROPRIATE.

OKAY. DO YOU DEEM IT INAPPROPRIATE? INQUISITORIAL IN NATURE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DEEMING IT, THEN? WE'RE STARTING DOWN THE PATH.

NO, NO, NO. EITHER YOU DEEM IT OR YOU DON'T. NO.

OKAY. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. I EITHER DEEM IT OR I DON'T.

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HAVE YOU DEEMED IT SO FAR THAT. YEAH, WHAT JUST OCCURRED? YES.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING HER.

NO, NO I DIDN'T NO, NO, WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION, AND I ASKED IF WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE DEEMING W HAT I ASKED HER, AND YOU SAID THAT'S WHAT I ASKED MY QUESTION TO YOU WAS, IS THAT OR WAS THAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THAT OR WAS THAT.

YEAH. THE QUESTION I HAD OF HER, WAS IT INQUISITORY OR.

YES. OKAY. AS FAR AS AN INQUISITION. NOT APPROPRIATE.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. THAT'S WHAT I ASKED.

SURE. OKAY. NOW, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT. CORRECT.

OKAY, AND THAT'S BASED ON YOUR OPINION, COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

THAT'S IT. WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF MS. OMURA'S TIME.

SHE IS LIKE, THIS IS THE TIME THAT SHE COULD BE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE STREET.

SHE'S AN HOURLY, SO WE WANT TO, BUT YOU STILL WANT TO FOCUS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH I'M HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH HIM. YOU CAN DO THAT OUTSIDE OF BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THIS CAN GO. WHETHER OR NOT I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OR ON THE UPDATE OR WHETHER OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS, I'M GOING TO PAUSE YOU. THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED.

YEAH. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. ARE WE DONE WITH THIS QUESTION? THEN I'M AFRAID TO ASK A QUESTION, BUT I'LL ASK.

THE CHAIR IS CONDUCTING THE MEETING. IF IT'S INAPPROPRIATE, JUST TELL ME.

I WILL ASK IN A KIND WAY. THE P UBLIC THAT NEEDS ASSISTANCE FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION.

HOW DO THEY GET REFERRALS TO YOU? OKAY. MOST OF MY REFERRALS ARE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I ALSO GET A LOT OF REFERRALS FROM OTHER HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT I HAVE ASSISTED.

I GET A LOT FROM OUR LIBRARY, TOO. YEAH, IF THEY NOTICE SOMEONE'S UNHOUSED FOR A FEW DAYS AND THEY'RE IN OUR AREA, THEY'LL REACH OUT. SO I'M IN OUR LIBRARY, LIKE, EVERY DAY BECAUSE THE CONCERN I HAD WAS MAYBE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM YOUR ASSISTANCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT EVEN AWARE OF YOUR EXISTENCE.

THERE'S. THE POLICE ARE REALLY GOOD. THEY DO OUTREACH IN THE EVENING, AND SO WHEN THEY RUN INTO PEOPLE, WHEN I'M NOT WORKING, THEY HAVE A LITTLE CARD WITH MY INFORMATION ON IT.

SO I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS FROM THOSE POSTCARDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLAIR. I HAD A QUESTION, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CATEGORY IT WAS UNDER, BUT THERE WAS LIKE A LARGE INCREASE IN 2025 SO FAR.

LIKE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS OUTPACING YOU SAID LARGE F OR 2025.

MAYBE THAT WAS REUNIFICATION TEN. MAYBE IT JUST SEEMED KIND OF HIGH COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEARS AND LIKE IT WOULD OUTPACE IF YOU CONTINUE TO LIKE 40 .

YEAH T HAT IS ALWAYS MY FIRST CHOICE TO SEE IF THAT'S AN OPTION WHERE THEY CAN GO HOME INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. SO PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE STARTED OUT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY KIND OF MOVE THEM INTO THAT.

YES. SO THEY'LL SHARE A LITTLE BIT EACH TIME I GET WITH THEM AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, AND THEY'LL MENTION I USUALLY DON'T BRING UP FAMILY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TRIGGER THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FAMILY MAKEUP IS.

SO I WAIT FOR THEM TO MENTION A FAMILY MEMBER.

THEN I'LL BE LIKE, OH, WHERE DID THEY LIVE? OR WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SPOKE TO THEM? AND SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL HAVE ME CALL CALLED THEIR FAMILY MEMBER, AND BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SHAME AND WHO KNOWS WHAT, BUT IT NORMALLY WORKS OUT AFTER A WHILE BECAUSE I'M ABLE TO SPEAK TO BOTH THE LOVED ONE, THE PARENTS, AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL. SO IT USUALLY DOES TAKE TIME, BUT IT HAPPENS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD IS HAVING PERSONALLY SEEN BOTH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOURSELF WORK WITH SOMEBODY THAT LIVED NEAR US OR WAS STAYING ON THE STREETS NEAR US.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT ALL OF YOU DO.

BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS NO LONGER ON THE STREETS AND I THINK HOPEFULLY IN A BETTER PLACE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR. COMMISSIONER GAUL.

HI, LILA. I THINK I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, AND I'LL TRY NOT TO BE TRY TO THE FIRST ONE IS BEFORE YOU WERE A HOMELESS NAVIGATOR, WHAT WAS KIND OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE OUT ON THE STREET, SAY, 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO,

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SO YOU WOULD IF YOU GO TO YOU KNOW, THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND THEN THE PERMANENT HOUSING AND OUR PALLET SHELTER AND OUR INTERIM SITES. IF YOU COMBINE THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE GET TO STAY THERE UNTIL THEY'RE STABLE ENOUGH AND READY FOR HOUSING.

IT TAKES SOME PEOPLE TAKE LONGER THAN OTHERS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN HOMELESS.

SO THE CASE MANAGERS WORK REALLY HARD ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THEY'RE READY.

WE DON'T WANT TO SET THEM UP FOR FAILURE EITHER.

I REALLY WISH IF I HAD MY WISH, I WOULD HAVE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? EVERYWHERE, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE THE SUPPORT UNTIL THEY NEEDED IT.

THANK YOU. SECOND QUESTION IS A FEW YEARS AGO OR A COUPLE YEARS AGO, LINDA CABIBBO CAME TO OUR MEETING AND TALKED ABOUT A GENTLEMAN CARRYING A WEAPON INTO THE FEEDING OF ONE OF THE CHURCHES. I BELIEVE IT WAS SAINT JAMES, AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD ENOUGH ADEQUATE POLICE SUPPORT, OR AT LEAST DROP BY AND SAY HI AND SHOW PRESENCE.

IS YOUR TEAM, ALONG WITH THE THREE CHURCHES, SATISFIED WITH THE LEVEL OF SECURITY THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR VOLUNTEERS AT THIS TIME? ANY ANY ISSUES? I PROBABLY COULDN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT.

THE CHURCHES WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER. YEAH, BUT NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT MANY ISSUES. MOST OF THEM I DO HEAR ABOUT.

IF THEY WANT TO EAT, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO BEHAVE, AND LINDA MAKES IT VERY CLEAR.

YOU GET OUT OF HAND. YOU CANNOT COME HERE AGAIN.

GOOD. YEAH, AND FINAL QUESTION IS, I KNOW YOU FIND JOY IN YOUR JOB BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR JOY FORD, AND MY QUESTION TO YOU, LILA, WOULD BE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ITEMIZING EXPENSES AND TRACKING STUFF, AND THERE'S A SIDE OF THE CITY AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE FUNCTIONAL ZERO.

NOW, WE DON'T NEED LILA ANYMORE. HOW DO WE TRACK EXPENSES VERSUS BENEFIT AND COSTS AND BENEFIT? AND WHO IS LIKELY GOING TO WORK FOR NOW? AND HOW DOES LILA FEEL ABOUT PERHAPS NOT WORKING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE? HOW CAN YOU BE THE MOST PRODUCTIVE? AND WHAT DO YOU NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL TO FURTHER IMPROVE YOUR OUTCOMES IN THE CITY? AND WHO IS WHAT TYPE OF? GROUP DO YOU WANT TO HAVE OR A MATRIX? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE TO MAKE YOU MORE SUCCESSFUL? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM THE CITY AND FROM THE PUBLIC? JUST WAS CURIOUS. KIND OF AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION. I MEAN, I THINK FOR NOW, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HAS BEEN WORKING.

YEAH. BEING IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN A HUGE HELP.

WHEN I WAS WORKING FOR HARBOR INTERFAITH IN 2017 HERE THAT'S HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO HOUSE SOMEONE. WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, THE REHAB, AND THEY DID, YOU KNOW, THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY HAD TO DO, AND WHEN WE STARTED APPLYING FOR APARTMENTS, THEY WERE DENIED, AND THEN I ASKED, WHY ARE THEY BEING DENIED? AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN OLD WARRANT FROM 20 YEARS AGO, AND SO I STARTED BRINGING THEM INTO OUR THE TORRANCE COURTHOUSE, AND THEY CONSTANTLY SAW ME THERE. SO THEY FINALLY ASKED, LIKE, WHY DO YOU BRING SO MANY PEOPLE IN? I SAID, I'M TRYING TO CLEAR THEIR THEIR WARRANTS.

YEAH, AND S O I WOULD BE HOMELESS. COURT CAME FROM.

YES. BECAUSE FOR ONE CASE TO BE CALLED IN THE TORRANCE COURTHOUSE, I COULD BE WAITING ALL MORNING AND THEN THEY'LL TELL ME TO COME BACK AFTER LUNCH, AND I HAVE THE CLIENT WITH ME WHO'S EXTREMELY NERVOUS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WARRANT.

SO Y EAH, IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO HANG OUT. NO, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THEY WERE ABLE TO ALLOW ME TO BRING IN ALL OF MY CLIENTS ON ONE DAY A MONTH, AND THEY WOULD JUST CRANK THEM ALL THROUGH.

OH, NICE. YES, AND SO T HAT REALLY HELPED. GOOD.

YEAH, BUT THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW THANKFULLY OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS AVAILABLE ANYTIME. SO IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND I NEED SOMETHING VERSUS A NONPROFIT AT 05:00, MY PHONE WOULD HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF. I COULD NOT ANSWER EMAILS.

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YEAH, I WOULD BE WRITTEN UP. YEAH. SO THANKFULLY, WORKING FOR THE CITY, THEY ALLOW ME TO TAKE THE CALLS FROM, YOU KNOW EMERGENCY CALLS AND THEY ALLOW ME TO GO OUT.

RIGHT? YEAH. I UNFORTUNATELY THOUGHT OF A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, CHAIR, IF I MAY.

I DON'T KNOW. MOTION TO EXTEND THE. DMV SUPPORT TO GET THE UNHOUSED OVER AND TURN THROUGH QUICKLY.

I REMEMBER REACHING OUT TO THE HEAD OF THE WHOLE DMV AND GETTING THE POLICY CHIEF A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

WAS THERE ANY POSITIVE OUTCOME IN HAVING KIND OF A FAST TRACK SYSTEM FOR YOUR PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH? YES. THAT WORKED OUT OKAY. YES I KNOW. JOY HAD WORKED IT OUT PRIOR TO THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A HUGE ISSUE.

SAME THING AT I MEAN, FOR HOURS, AND I CAN REALLY ONLY TAKE ONE AT A TIME, WHICH WAS REALLY DIFFICULT.

SO NOW WE WORKED IT OUT WHERE WE HAVE OUR HOMELESS COURT FLYER, AND IT'S ONCE A MONTH WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE THAT FLYER TO THE DMV AND THEN GO STRAIGHT TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE.

NICE. YEAH. SO EVEN IF WE BROUGHT TEN PEOPLE THEY CAN ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF RIGHT AWAY.

GOOD. YEAH. THAT'S AWESOME. FINAL QUESTION. I'M SORRY.

WITH THE CREDIT BUREAUS AND GETTING CREDIT RESET FOR THE UNHOUSED, AND I KNOW THAT FORMER ATTORNEY WEBB AND I WERE CHATTING ABOUT THAT, AND I INTRODUCED SOMEBODY. BEACH CITIES HEALTH DISTRICT, WHO WORKED AT ONE OF THE CREDIT BUREAUS AND MARKETING TO CONNECT THEM, TO DISCUSS, SEE HOW TO GET IN FRONT OF AN EXPERIAN OR DIFFERENT CREDIT AGENCIES TO ACTUALLY KIND OF MAKE THAT KIND OF A NEW POLICY INSTRUMENT.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROGRESS ON THAT OR IS IT JUST TALK AND WHITEBOARD RIGHT NOW? I YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE HUGE IF THERE WAS SOME WAY.

YEAH. BECAUSE WE APPLY FOR APARTMENTS AND I'LL ASK THEM STRAIGHT OUT BEFORE PAYING OUR $50 APPLICATION FEE.

WHAT IS THE MINIMUM CREDIT SCORE REQUIRED? AND IT'S ALWAYS MINIMUM 650 AND MY CLIENTS DON'T HAVE A 650.

THEY LOST EVERYTHING. THEY LOST EVERYTHING. YEAH, W E'LL KEEP WORKING ON THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND SERVICE.

YOU COULD HAVE ANY JOB YOU WANT AND PROBABLY GET PAID 2 OR 3 TIMES MORE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING, BUT YOU'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES 24 OVER SEVEN.

SO THANK YOU FOR KEEPING PEOPLE AROUND AND GETTING THEM HOUSED AND YOUR SERVICES; 'APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, AND IT'S EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER.

REALLY, IF I JUST WORKED HERE ON MY OWN, NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING.

IT'S ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, PUT IN THEIR PART THEIR PIECE.

IT'S THE COLLABORATION THAT I SEE IN REDONDO THAT I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE ELSE.

WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM THANKS TO YOU. AMAZING TEAM.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GAUL. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

HOW DO OUR NUMBERS COMPARE WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES LIKE TORRANCE, FOR EXAMPLE? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. ALL I'M FOCUSED ON IS REDONDO BEACH.

DO YOU OR HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU SEE KIND OF LAPSE BACK INTO BEING UNHOUSED? ALSO, THE GOOD THING ABOUT WORKING FOR THE CITY, I AM ALLOWED TO DO RETENTION, WHICH MEANS JUST BECAUSE I HOUSE THEM SAY IN LA, MOST AGENCIES, ONCE YOU HOUSE THEM, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO.

THEY DO WHAT THEY CALL A WARM HANDOFF. LIKE, HEY, JOHN DOE, HERE'S YOUR NEW CASE MANAGER.

THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEM. SO I SAW THAT WAS A PROBLEM.

WE HAD BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR LIKE A YEAR OR TWO, SO THE CITY ALLOWS ME.

I JUST HAD I HAD A TALK WITH JOY AND MIKE. LET THEM KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM.

THEY DON'T TRUST THE NEW CASE MANAGER AND I NEED TO STILL BE ABLE.

I DON'T WANT THE CLIENT TO FEEL LIKE THEY JUST GOT DUMPED SOMEWHERE AND I DON'T CARE.

SO THEY ALLOW ME TO DO RETENTION. SO THAT'S FOLLOW UP VISITING, MAKING SURE THEY'RE OKAY, AND WORKING WITH THEIR CURRENT CASE MANAGER. SO A LOT OF TIMES I'M NOT OUT OF THE PICTURE, MAYBE UNTIL A YEAR LATER WHEN THE NEW CASE MANAGER SAYS, OKAY, I THINK I GOT IT.

YEAH, AND THEN I STEP AWAY. SO THESE ARE LIKE UNIQUE NUMBERS.

THEN YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE PEOPLE FROM 2022 BACK IN 2025 OR.

THESE FOR LIKE, LET'S SAY INTERIM HOUSING OR VOUCHERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU MEAN HOW MANY THE NUMBERS LIKE THOSE NUMBERS ARE REPEAT LIKE.

YEAH. WELL, I MEAN IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY LOW. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HOUSED AND LOST THEIR

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OKAY. I WORK REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T FALL BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS, BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE SAME PERSON AGAIN, BECAUSE I FEEL THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE AND SO I HAVE TO WORK REALLY HARD, AND SOMETIMES IT'S GOING BACK TO A DETOX FOR A WEEK SO THEY COULD RESET, BUT WE DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO, TO SAVE THEM FROM LOSING THEIR, THEIR PLACE.

OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. YES. ANY QUESTIONS RELEVANT TO WITH RESPECT TO THE ISSUES THAT SHE'S COVERED? NO, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT--CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THAT YOUR WORK IS BEING NOTED AND IS APPRECIATED.

THANK YOU, AND THOSE ALSO THAT ARE INVOLVED IN WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT.

AS FAR AS THE TEAMWORK GOES, I'LL MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR TO YOU.

THANK YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THE FACT OF MY CONCERN OF CENSORSHIP, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS, ANYONE ONLINE? YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE WAS A RAISED HAND, BUT NOW IT'S NOT THERE, SO.

OH, THERE WE GO. STAND BY. NORMALLY, I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS ON TWO COMPUTERS OR ONE COMPUTER AT THE SAME TIME.

NANCY SKIBA I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S ME HOME WITH THE FLU.

CAN YOU HEAR US? OH, I SURE CAN. OKAY, YOUR THREE MINUTES BEGINS NOW.

THANK YOU. LILA, I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU'RE HERE.

SORRY I CAN'T SEE YOU IN PERSON, BUT, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE SO MUCH EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO AND ALL THAT YOU BRING TO YOUR JOB.

YOUR SPIRITUALITY, YOUR COMPASSION, YOUR ENERGY YOUR CARING.

YOU'RE JUST SO WONDERFUL. I'M SO HAPPY WE HAVE YOU, AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT.

CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE ON WHAT'S THE LATEST HAPPENING AT MOONSTONE? THIS WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT ONLY. PUBLIC COMMENT.

CORRECT? YES. NANCY. IT'S JUST A PUBLIC COMMENT.

WHAT? SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR THREE MINUTES.

YOU'RE NOT COMMISSIONER SKIBA. YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

WELL, PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN ASK HER WHO IS ACTUALLY SITTING THERE. THEN THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN SAY.

I WOULD LIKE DANIELLA IF YOU COULD PLEASE PICK IT UP FOR ME.

I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION. ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE THE REST OF YOUR THREE MINUTES? NANCY. OH. I'M NOT. OKAY, OKAY. YOU STILL HAVE TWO MINUTES.

LET ME ASK HER IF SHE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. LIKE, MAYBE IF YOU HAD A NUMBER OF INQUISITIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO STATE TO THE COMMISSION THAT THEY COULD FOLLOW UP ON. QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUERIES.

LET'S BE MORE SPECIFIC. UPDATE RELATED TO THE UPDATE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW. JUST FOR THE NEXT A MINUTE, AND 30S, IF THERE WAS, YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION SO YOU CAN ADDRESS THEM AND SAY, MAN, WE SHOULD KNOW A, B AND C, AND THEN THEY COULD FOLLOW UP ON THOSE. WELL, I JUST ASKED IF DANIELLA COULD PLEASE ASK HER ABOUT MOONSTONE OR SOMEONE COULD BRING IT UP PLEASE FOR AN UPDATE.

OH MAN. ANY ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR YOUR. YOU'D STILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YOU HAVE TO FILL YOUR REMAINING MINUTES. WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THE PUBLIC, SO IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO FINISH YOUR THREE MINUTES AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO ME AS THE CHAIR TO EITHER FOLLOW UP OR CLOSE AND MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TONIGHT, NOT COMMISSIONER.

SO IF YOU'RE YOU HAVE 41 SECONDS. I THINK SO.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO NANCY. YOU STILL WITH US? NO, I'M JUST WATCHING THE CLOCK, THAT'S ALL. OH, YOU CAN JUST YIELD THE REST OF YOUR TIME, IF YOU'D LIKE. WELL, THEN DO THAT, I DON'T CARE.

OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL OH, YEAH. I HAD A QUESTION, I FORGOT.

COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON MOONSTONE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO INTERJECT. MOONSTONE IS NOT IN SCOPE FOR HER.

THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE ENTITY, BUT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE PROJECT MOONSTONE FOLKS AND HAVE THEM GIVE US AN UPDATED PRESENTATION AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.

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THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO COME. REMIND ME IF I FORGET.

I WILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.

OH, YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. YEAH. ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

THERE'S I WALK A LOT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE OTHER DAY, I WALKED TEN MILES STRAIGHT WITHOUT STOPPING.

IT'S STRANGE, BUT OKAY, BUT I GET TO SEE, LIKE, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY AND AT DIFFERENT TIMES, AND THEN I USED TO, BECAUSE I WALK A LOT ALONG THE BEACH, THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING HOMELESS IN CERTAIN PLACES, AND YOU'D KNOW THEM BECAUSE YOU RECOGNIZE THEM FOR YEARS AND YEARS, JUST PASSING THEM BY, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE TRANSIENTS, AND THEN DOES THE CITY OR YOUR ORGANIZATION MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO? BECAUSE I STILL SEE TRANSIENTS LIVING IN SOUTH THAT THEY'RE NOT LIVING WHILE THEY SPEND THE NIGHT IN SOUTH REDONDO BEACH.

TRANSIENT PEOPLE, THAT MEANS TRANSIENT BEING THAT THEY'RE SPENDING THE NIGHT ONE DAY AND THEN WE NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN.

SO WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN HERE A DAY OR, YOU KNOW, A WEEK, WE STILL OUTREACH EVERY SINGLE PERSON AND TRY TO ASSIST THEM.

WE DO OUR BEST. THAT'S WHY THE INTERIM HOUSING PLACEMENTS ARE PRETTY HIGH.

BECAUSE IF I FIND, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SAY THEY'RE FROM I DON'T KNOW, SOMEONE SAID BOSTON THE OTHER DAY.

I WILL TRY TO FIND THEM. AN INTERIM HOUSING SITE THAT HAVE NO CITY BOUNDARIES.

SO IF THEY WANT HELP, THEY CAN GET HELP. YEAH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT CLOSES OUT ITEM J.1.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND FYI, J.1 IS TYPICALLY A REPORT FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS A LITTLE SHORT STAFFED.

SO, KYLE, YOU WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE AS TO WHEN WILL THEY BE BACK? OR DO YOU WANT TO SAVE THAT FOR. THEY WILL RETURN IN JUNE.

THEY WILL RETURN IN JUNE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

J.2, DISCUSSION OF CRIME RECAP COMMUNITY POLICING AND VOLUNTEERS.

OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS FOR YOU. ONE OF WHICH IS BEACH LIFE IS UPCOMING. WHICH INVOLVES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SAFETY PLANNING FROM THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO THAT IS WELL UNDERWAY. IN DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE A SAFE, LARGE SCALE EVENT.

LARGEST ONE I KNOW OF AROUND HERE. AT LEAST CLOSE.

SUPER CLOSE BY, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, APRIL IS DISTRACTED DRIVER AWARENESS MONTH.

SO WE MAKE CONSIDERABLE EFFORTS IN THAT REALM FOR DISTRACTED DRIVING ENFORCEMENT, AND ADDITIONALLY, THE OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY FUNDING THAT PROVIDES FOR ADDITIONAL, ENFORCEMENT IN THAT REALM.

COMMUNITY OF POLICING REPORT SHOWED US WE DID.

WE WERE INVITED TO DO A SAFETY TALK AT SAINT ANDREW'S MOM COLLECTIVE IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.

IT'S A GROUP OF PARENTS, TYPICALLY OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

WE HELD OUR BICYCLE RODEO, WHICH IS AN OTS FUNDED EFFORT.

WE DID SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT AT TOLEDO WESTERN NIGHT, HANDED OUT SOME POPCORN AND WORE SOME COWBOY HATS.

OUR REDONDO BEACH PD BAKER TO VEGAS TEAM COMPETED AND HAD THE DEPARTMENT'S BEST FINISH IN HISTORY AT THIRD PLACE IN THEIR DIVISION, AND WE LOOK TO PURSUE SECOND OR FIRST NEXT YEAR.

I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST, I DON'T WANT FASTEST RUNNER.

ON REDONDO BEACH PD? YEAH. I WOULD SAY THE STRONGEST PERFORMANCE WAS PROBABLY A TIE BETWEEN LEG ONE AND LEG EIGHT, I BELIEVE. LIEUTENANT MIKE STROSNIDER, WHO IS IN HIS 30 SOMETHING YEAR OF LAW ENFORCEMENT RUNS THE FIRST LEG EVERY YEAR. HE SAYS THIS WAS HIS LAST YEAR, BUT WE'RE GOING TO COAX HIM OUT ONE MORE YEAR, BUT IN HIS 30TH YEAR, 30 SOMETHING YEAR OF LAW ENFORCEMENT HE RAN EIGHT MINUTE MILES FOR 5.4 MILES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAS VEGAS DESERT, IN THE SUN AND HEAVY WIND. THERE WAS HEAVY WIND DURING THOSE BUT EIGHT MINUTE MILES WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE FINISH FOR SOMEBODY IN THEIR 30TH YEAR OF LAW

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SO I WOULD SAY THAT WAS THE STRONGEST PERFORMANCE WE HAD, AND A TESTAMENT TO HIS CAREER.

REALLY? WE WERE AT THE REDONDO, THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH EVENT.

THE EXTRAVAGANZA WHICH IS ATTENDED BY. I MEAN THE WHOLE ALL OF FRANKLIN PARK IS FILLED, I GOT TO SAY LIKE A THOUSAND PEOPLE AT LEAST, AND WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES TRAILER OUT THERE SERVING POPCORN UPCOMING.

WE HAVE ANOTHER GRADUATE FROM THE ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S ACADEMY PARTICIPATING IN THEIR MEMORIAL RUN ON THE 23RD.

THE CITY'S BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION IS AT DOMINGUEZ PARK OR THE MUSEUM THERE ON APRIL 26TH.

A FEW POLICE, FIREMEN AND TEACHERS WILL BE PLAYING AGAINST THE HARLEM WIZARDS AS A PARAS PTA FUNDRAISER ON APRIL 27TH.

HOPE TO SEE YOU IN ATTENDANCE. IT'S A GOOD CAUSE, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WATCH ME PLAY SOME BASKETBALL.

ME AND THE CHIEF. WE'LL BE TEACHING RUN, HIDE, FIGHT AT A LOCAL NORTH REDONDO BEACH BUSINESS WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE AT TOLEDO HEROES DAY, AND WE HAVE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TORCH RUN COMING UP.

OFFICIAL DATE NOW IS JUNE 2ND. IT JUST SAYS JUNE ON THERE, BUT IT IS JUNE 2ND.

OUR VOLUNTEERS IN POLICING REPORT WE'RE UP TO 959 HOURS THIS YEAR. NO, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. 2025 TOTAL 959 HOURS AS OF APRIL 1ST, AND THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE REGARDING THIS.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TO APRIL 1ST AND THIS YEAR? I'M JUST MESSING WITH YOU. THAT'S WHEN I GET THIS REPORT SUBMITTED AS OF APRIL 1ST.

OH, GOOD. NO. I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. NO.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR. NOPE. COMMISSIONER. GAUL.

NEGATIVE. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. YES, I HAVE A COUPLE.

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CRIME RECAP. YES, I NOTICED THAT MORE THAN USUAL.

THE THEFT OF THE FRONT AND REAR LICENSE PLATE.

DO YOU NOTICE THE TREND IN THAT BEING STOLEN? AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE VICTIM? AND HOW CAN THEY KIND OF AVOID THAT FROM OCCURRING? I WOULD SAY MANY THINGS COME IN LIKE A KIND OF A WAVE TYPE FASHION.

LIKE THAT, BUT THE MOTIVE, I WOULD SAY, IS TYPICALLY TO, LIKE COLD PLATE OTHER VEHICLES TO COMMIT CRIMES, AND THEN THE IMPACT ON THE VICTIM. I MEAN, THEY MAKE A REPORT.

IT'S ON A STATEWIDE CHP FORM. SO, LIKE, IT'S PICKED UP BY ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT RUNS THAT PLATE.

LICENSE PLATE READERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF YOU'RE OUT ON PATROL AND YOU RAN A PLATE AND THEY TYPICALLY TRY THEIR BEST TO MATCH.

LIKE, MAKE A MODEL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.

I'VE PULLED SOMEBODY OVER AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A MAZDA AND IT SAYS A FORD F-150, AND IT WAS A STOLEN VEHICLE.

THE IMPACT ON THE VICTIM, THEY HAVE TO GET A REPLACEMENT AND THAT THEY USE THAT CHP STATEWIDE FORM, MAKE A DMV APPOINTMENT, AND THEY'LL REISSUE THE PLATES IF YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE THAT REPORT THAT SAYS THEY WERE STOLEN.

IF YOU HAVE ONE STOLEN THAT'S ALSO RELEVANT TO IF JUST ONE IS STOLEN.

AS THE OFFICER, THAT'S LIKE READING A RETURN, YOU HAVE TO BE MINDFUL, LIKE, OKAY, HEY, ONE PLATE WAS STOLEN.

SO THIS COULD STILL BE THE LEGITIMATE CAR. NOT NECESSARILY A DANGEROUS SUSPECT OR NOT A THEFT SUSPECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IMPACT TO THE VICTIM. I MEAN, IT'S INCONVENIENT.

IT'S NOT FUN TO BE A VICTIM OF A CRIME. IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY RECEIVE THE CRIME RECAP, IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S EASIER FOR US TO SEE TRENDS INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THESE DESCRIPTIONS, POSSIBLY LIKE FOR THEFTS, FOR ROBBERIES, FOR BURGLARIES, ETC.

THIS WEEK. SO IT'S EASIER TO COMPARE TO SEE WHAT THE TREND IS THAT'S OCCURRING.

IS THAT, AM I CLEAR? I DON'T KNOW. WE PREPARE THIS REPORT BECAUSE THAT'S

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COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF VERBALIZING WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK, I SUPPOSE.

I THINK IF YOU GO TO YOU . CHAIR HAS NOT RECOGNIZED.

OR DO YOU HAVE MORE? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WODNICKI NOT AT THIS MOMENT.

OKAY. YEAH. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS, I THINK WHAT SHE'S PROBABLY ASKING IS IF YOU CAN GO TO YOUR CAD UNIT AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHATEVER OTHER MAPS THAT THEY PUT OUT. I'M WELL AWARE THAT YOUR CAD UNIT PUSHES THEM OUT NOT ONLY TO THE SOUTH BAY ALMOST ON A WEEKLY BASIS.

I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY FIT A LITTLE EASIER OR BETTER, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT CRIME TRENDS BASED ON PINS AS OPPOSED TO A LIST OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED. SO THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE.

YEAH. I WAS GOING TO. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. SORRY.

YEAH. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THIS.

SO IF WE COULD DO THAT UNDER COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA.

BECAUSE WE'RE NOW CHANGING HOW THIS WORKS. ON K.

TO ASK WHAT? MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE. HOW THIS WORKS.

YES, I CAN DO THIS. RIGHT, AND WE CAN DO THAT THERE.

NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.

CORRECT. BECAUSE WHAT THE RESPONSE TO THAT COULD BE IS, HEY, HERE'S THE LINK TO GIVE YOU THAT TREND REPORT.

THAT COULD BE THE RESPONSE TO THAT MOTION BECAUSE IT DOES EXIST, RIGHT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO SUGGEST MAYBE A MORE USEFUL WAY THIS INFORMATION COULD BE PRESENTED TO US IN A SENSE THAT, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION BASED ON THESE REPORTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROVIDED TO US IN A VERY USER FRIENDLY WAY.

I AGREE WITH YOU. LIKE A MONTH OVER MONTH, YEAR OVER YEAR, WHICH IS THE TREND LINE.

IF IT WAS ON THE WEBSITE, MAYBE RATHER THAN JUST LIVING ON THE WEBSITE, IT COULD ALSO LIVE IN OUR AGENDA SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT, WHICH IS WHY I BRING IT UP, WHICH IS WHY I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO VOTE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION SO WE CAN VOTE YES.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS THERE? CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER GAUL. DO WE HAVE A DATA ANALYST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT COULD DO THIS IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES PER MEETING, OR IS THERE NOT CURRENTLY ANY CAPACITY TO DO THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S A CRIME ANALYSIS UNIT. THAT'S WHO PREPARES THIS REPORT.

OKAY. WELL, I'LL YIELD THE TIME BACK TO THE CHAIR AND JUST ADD THAT AS MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? ANY COMMENTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? NO. JUST JUST FOR INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE.

THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE CRIME PORTAL PORTION THAT HAS LIKE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, LIKE, METHODS FOR VIEWING.

THAT'S MAYBE POTENTIALLY MORE USER FRIENDLY THAN, THAN HOW IT'S LISTED HERE.

THIS IS IN MORE DETAIL. THERE'S, I GUESS, MORE LIKE A MORE SUMMARIZED VERSION ON THE, AND YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE SOME OF IT A LITTLE BIT LIKE SEARCH SEARCH WISE AND STUFF. SO THAT COULD BE COULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WODNICKI? OH NO I'M JUST OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WAITING FOR K. COMMISSIONER, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THE CRIME ANALYSIS DETAIL THAT DOES IT WITHIN 30S.

WE'LL POST IT THERE AND I KNOW THAT, THE COMMISSIONER IS ASKING WHAT WE'RE GETTING ARE PART ONE CRIMES, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE MAPS THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE ARE BEYOND PART ONE CRIMES.

OKAY. BECAUSE SOME OF THE I THINK CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE ARE NOT ALWAYS PART ONE CAN BE PART TWO OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF POSSIBLY OTHER STUFF.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR, AND I WOULD BELIEVE THAT YES, WE CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT CAN BE PROVIDED FOR THIS, NOT ONLY THE PART ONE, BUT PART TWO CRIMES AS WELL.

WELL, HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS? LET'S NOT SPECULATE.

LIKE IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING I BELIEVE SO LET'S VOTE ON IT.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THE RIGHT LINK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE SPECULATIVE AND SORT OF GO, IT'S NOT THERE THE WAY WE NEED IT. IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE SITE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THE RIGHT INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC.

ALL RIGHT. ANY ECOMMENTS? ANYONE ONLINE? NO, AND N

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OUR IS DISCUSSION ON RECENT UPDATES ON ENHANCED RESPONSE TO HOMELESSNESS.

WE HAD OUR HOMELESS NAVIGATOR LILA OMURA HERE EARLIER.

GIVEN THAT SORT OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND. UPLOADED THE DASHBOARD FOR FEBRUARY.

WE HAD THE MONTHLY BUT I DIDN'T GET IT IN TIME.

SORRY, KYLE. ATTACHMENT NUMBER THREE, IF YOU RECALL, LAST WEEK I GAVE YOU AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, BUT IT DIDN'T TRANSLATE INTO PDF. WELL, THIS ONE IS DONE IN PDF CORRECTLY.

SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND SEE WHAT THE TABS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN AN EXCEL DOCUMENT, AND FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE, THERE WERE IN ALL THE DOCUMENTS, SOME OF THE FUNDING FOR HOUSING IS PRESENTED OR IS FUNDED BY SOMETHING CALLED THE HOUSING SUCCESSOR, AND IT'S BASICALLY IT WAS A PROGRAM THAT WAS STATEWIDE THAT WAS PUSHED DOWN TO THE CITIES, AND SO I THINK THE MAYOR SITS ON IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO YOU COULD SEE THERE WERE TWO FISCAL YEARS OF FUNDING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE.

I POPPED THOSE IN THERE. SO NOT MUCH NEW ON THAT FRONT.

BEING PRESENTED, BUT EVERY TIME THERE'S NEW DATA THAT'S EITHER PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL OR TO A DIFFERENT COMMISSION, I MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT IN THERE. SO IF THERE'S.

I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

NO. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

NO WORRIES. COMMISSIONER. I'M GOOD. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GAUL.

NO. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. NO. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC.

ONLINE. NEGATIVE. PERFECT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO J.4 DISCUSSION ON COMMISSION, SUBCOMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS, AND UPDATES. THE LEAD COMMISSIONERS ON THIS TASK ARE COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS AND COMMISSIONER WODNICKI.

I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. ANY UPDATE.

DO YOU WANT TO TABLE IT? I YIELD TO YOU AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

CHAIRWOMAN. CHAIRWOMAN. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS AND I MET, AND WE CAME UP WITH THREE DOCUMENTS. ONE DOCUMENT IS A PROVIDES GUIDELINES AND INFORMATION FOR HOW TO ACKNOWLEDGE A VOLUNTEER IN THE COMMUNITY. WE CAME UP WITH FIVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OR FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS A VOLUNTEER CAN BE ACKNOWLEDGED.

ONE IS FOR GIVING A GENEROUS DONATION. ONE IS FOR VOLUNTEER SERVICE.

ONE IS FOR EXCEPTIONAL ACTS OF COMPASSION OR STEPPING UP IN TIMES OF CRISIS.

ONE IS FOR OUTSTANDING ORGANIZATIONAL SUPPORT OR LEADERSHIP.

SO THESE ARE FOR GROUPS WHO VOLUNTEER, AND ONE IS FOR CITY PERSONNEL DEMONSTRATING EXEMPLARY SERVICE AND HEROIC DEDICATION.

SO THAT'S ACKNOWLEDGING AND HONORING CITY STAFF.

IN THE AREAS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WE COME UP WITH REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S TWO OTHER FORMS. ONE IS AN APPLICATION FORM THAT WE WOULD IF APPROVED, WE'D LIKE TO GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND APPLICATIONS COULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEN UNDER THE GUIDELINES WE SAY HOW OFTEN WE'LL MEET, AND THEN THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW FORM, WHICH IS WHERE THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN REVIEW THE NOMINATION AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY'LL BE ACKNOWLEDGED OR NOT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENT TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION, FOR EDITS, FEEDBACK, APPROVAL. I LIKE THE FORM. THANK YOU. YEAH, THIS LOOKS GREAT.

I DON'T ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE NEEDED WAS A SUNRISE SUNSET DATE FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE.

I DON'T SEE THAT. IT GOES ON TO SAY IF I MISS IT, I'M SORRY.

RIGHT. UNDER REVIEW OF NOMINATIONS. JUST AS THE COMMISSION SHALL APPOINT A VOLUNTEER ACKNOWLEDGMENT PROGRAM SUBCOMMITTEE CONSISTING OF NO MORE THAN THREE COMMISSIONERS, AND THAT IT'S PREFERRED THAT THIS COMMITTEE INCLUDES TWO COMMISSIONERS AT ALL TIMES, AND THEN IT JUST GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT HOW AND WHEN THEY WOULD MEET TO REVIEW APPLICATIONS. RIGHT. ONE OF THE FOR LACK OF A BETTER ADJECTIVE, RULES FOR SUBCOMMITTEE IS IT HAS TO BE A SUNSET, EVEN IF WE VOTE TO MOVE. SURE. SO WE JUST NEED THAT IN THERE BECAUSE I SEE BIANNUAL BASIS EACH JANUARY AND JULY.

SO IS JULY THE SUNSET DATE FOR THAT YEAR? I JUST FIND IT HARD TO HAVE A SUNSET DATE ON ACKNOWLEDGING VOLUNTEERS.

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IT HAS TO. EVEN IF WE THEN VOTE IN OCTOBER TO SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

THE SUNSET DATE FOR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS NEXT IS SEPTEMBER 30TH.

SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE ELECT, WE GET REELECTED AND NOMINATIONS AND ALL THAT HAPPEN FOR OCTOBER, AND I'M JUST GIVING A SUGGESTION, BUT THE RULES SAY IT HAS TO HAVE A SUNSET DATE.

IT HAS TO HAVE A SUNSET DATE, SUNSET DATE. OR YOU CAN JUST ROTATE AND HAVE ELECTIONS.

I JUST S O YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ONLY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE VOLUNTEERS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR ONE YEAR? NO. OKAY. SO LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN. I'M SORRY, THAT WAS SNARKY.

I TAKE THAT BACK. WE CAN VOTE TO HAVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN THE NEXT SESSION, BUT NO SUBCOMMITTEE CAN JUST BE RECURRING YEAR OVER YEAR. IT HAS TO END THIS YEAR AND THEN BE VOTED ON TO OCCUR THE NEXT YEAR, AND THEN IT HAS TO HAVE A SUNSET DATE WHERE IT ENDS THAT YEAR, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT, JUST LIKE WE HAD TO HAVE A VOTE FOR IT TO GO ON.

UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. SO I CAN PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THEN SAYS, AND IT'S THE SUBCOMMITTEE, NOT YES. NO. CORRECT. THAT IT WOULD RUN FOR ONE YEAR, SUBJECT TO RENEWAL, SUBJECT TO RENEWAL.

RIGHT. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S SUCH A HARSH THING TO SAY THAT WE ONLY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE VOLUNTEERS FOR ONE YEAR.

WHEN YOU SAY SUNSET, YOU'RE SAYING, I KNOW THAT'S NOT. SUBCOMMITTEE.

CORRECT. THAT'S IT. I WANT TO WRITE IT IN A WAY WHERE IT'S NOT LIKE THIS, IS IT? AND IT ENDS ON THIS DATE, AND WE JUST NEED TO HAVE SENSITIVE, AND THAT ALSO MEANS, LIKE IT.

IT JUST HAS TO HAVE ONE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T KEEP AN EYE ON IT AND GO, OH, WE WANT TO TAKE A VOTE.

MOVE THAT SUNSET DATE TO LIKE WE CAN DO THAT.

SO OKAY, I CAN DO THIS. THAT'S JUST FOLLOWING THE THAT ONE RULE.

CHAIR, DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT FOR ONE YEAR OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT MAYBE FOR 90 DAYS OR THREE MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? JUST CURIOUS. I DEFER TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE. LIKE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, QUOTE UNQUOTE, ANSWER TO THE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION.

SO I DEFER THE QUESTION TO CAN THE SUBCOMMITTEE ANSWER THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU. OH, I WOULD SAY FOR ONE YEAR, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T, SOME PROJECTS TAKE 90 DAYS.

SOME PROJECTS TAKE SIX MONTHS TO ACCOMPLISH. SOME PROJECTS TAKE YEARS.

THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD TO SAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S RULES, BUT YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT BE WORKING ON THINGS THAT YOU WON'T SEE THE IMPACT FOR MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS, MAYBE.

CAN I CLARIFY MY QUESTION? CAN WE HAVE THE AWARDS OR NOMINATIONS BE OPERATED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR 90 DAYS, EVEN IF THE PROJECTS TAKE A YEAR AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, WITH THE KIND OF THE TACIT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'LL JUST REESTABLISH THE SUBCOMMITTEE EVERY YEAR FOR 90 DAYS. SO WE'RE NOT ON AND ON AWARDING AND DECIDING EVERY MEETING.

I WAS JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. I THINK IT'S HARDER FOR THE PUBLIC IF YOU SAY 90 DAYS, HOW DOES YOU KNOW? THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THESE ARE MY 90 DAYS, THAT I CAN SUBMIT AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT FORM.

IT COULD BE THAT THEY JUST REALIZED THAT THEIR NEIGHBOR DID THIS AMAZING THING FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND NOW THEY GO ONLINE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH MAN, I MISSED IT BY LIKE A WEEK, BUT THEY CAN ALWAYS APPLY NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF THROWING OUT THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE I WOULD THROW OUT MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE.

YEAH. ANOTHER IDEA I WOULD THROW OUT IS WHEN YOU SOLIDIFY ALL OF THIS.

YES. WE CAN MAKE A MOTION AND VOTE ON IT TO JUST MAKE IT A PART OF OUR REGULAR AGENDA, AND MAYBE THAT WAY IT'S EVERGREEN.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A THING AGAIN, RIGHT? YOU KNOW HOW, LIKE, J.1 IS ALWAYS FIRE DEPARTMENT.

J.2, WE CAN MAKE IT A. WELL, I THINK IT'S SOLIDIFIED EXCEPT FOR THE SUNSET DATE.

OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHY YOU THINK 90 DAYS AS OPPOSED TO A YEAR.

I'VE BEEN TRAINED OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS THAT IT HAS TO HAVE A HARD SET SUNSET DATE, AND SO WE'LL LET THE HONORABLE JOY FORD WEIGH IN ON THAT THROUGH KYLE AND SO FORTH, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD OVER THE PAST.

IT HAS TO HAVE A TERMINATION, A TERMINATION DATE TO IT, BUT WHY DID YOU SUGGEST 90 AS OPPOSED TO THREE? ARBITRARY. JUST THE NUMBER YOU THREW OUT. OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO.

I THINK IT'S FOR SIX MONTHS, RIGHT? YEAH, HALF A YEAR AND THEN I THINK IT'S FROM INCEPTION, RIGHT? YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 3 TO 6 MONTHS.

YEAH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND COMMISSIONER GAUL.

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I BELIEVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS FORMED IN ORDER TO INVESTIGATE, CREATE AND TO ESTABLISH A ACKNOWLEDGMENT PROTOCOL. ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN YOU ABOLISH THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE WHO IS GOING TO RUN THIS, AND I BELIEVE THAT. THEN YOU CAN WHEN YOU DO THAT, THAT IS WHEN YOU'LL SAY FROM THIS DATE OF INCEPTION UNTIL POSSIBLY, MAYBE EVEN LOOKING AT THE DAY WHENEVER THERE'S AN ELECTION FOR THE CHAIR TO SAY THAT IS THE TOURNAMENT WHEN IT ENDS.

YEAH, AND IN THIS WAY, RATHER THAN IT ACTUALLY MORE CODIFIED SAYING IS THAT THE MEMBERS OF THIS, OF THIS SUBCOMMITTEE ARE NOW CODIFIED IN THAT EITHER ONE IN THEIR TERM ENDS EITHER ONE ON THE TERMINATION OF THEIR TERM, OR IF THEY LEAVE OR WHATEVER ELSE IN OTHER OR THE NOMINATION AND ASSIGNMENT, SAY SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, THEREFORE, NOW YOU HAVE A SUNSET AND A SUNRISE DATE FOR EACH ONE.

OKAY. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR IT TO GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY BUSY. WE'LL NEVER HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THEN NOBODY WILL EVER GET ACKNOWLEDGED. THE OTHER SIDE TO THIS AS WELL.

I DO BELIEVE, AND MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH IT AGAIN.

ONE OF THE ALTHOUGH THERE'S A TIME FRAME FOR THEM IN JANUARY AND IN JULY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, I BELIEVE INITIALLY WHEN I WROTE THIS WAS THAT THERE WAS A I GUESS YOU CAN SAY A BACKDOOR TO BE ABLE TO SOMEBODY POSSIBLY BEING RECOGNIZED PRIOR TO THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEN THE COMMITTEE CAN SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY'S 115 YEARS OLD AND POSSIBLY LET'S ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, AND SO LET'S JUMP IN AND DO SOMETHING NOW.

YEAH, THAT CAN ALSO BE IT SAYS ON AT LEAST A BIANNUAL BASIS.

RIGHT. WHICH DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE FACT THAT IF MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES OF SOME SORT, IT CAN BE BYPASSED AND IT CAN BE OVERRIDDEN AS WELL WITH, WITH ACTUALLY WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND A VOTE BY THE COMMISSION TO DO THAT.

HOWEVER, BUT I THINK THE JANUARY AND JULY IS MOSTLY MORE FOR BEING ABLE TO, TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE TOTAL NUMBERS BECAUSE WE COULD GET 15 OR 20 OF THESE. YEAH. BETWEEN THAT TIMEFRAME AND WE DON'T WANT EVERY SINGLE MEETING WE'RE DOING THAT WE CAN SET SOMETHING ASIDE AND SAY, OKAY, ON THIS DAY WE'RE GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYBODY, AND THAT WAY WE CAN CLEAR THE CALENDAR, SO THAT WAY WE CAN SPEND THE TIME THAT THEY DESERVE FOR THAT. COOL. SO I THINK AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WHEN WE IF THIS IS SUFFICIENT AND IF IT'S AFTER REVIEW, THEN WE ABOLISH AND THEN WE GO INTO A NEW ONE.

I AGREE, BUT IS THERE ANY ASIDE FROM THIS SUNSET SUNSET DATE ISSUE? I MEAN, THE MEAT OF IT. IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK REGARDING EITHER OF THE FORMS? WELL, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET AHEAD OF TIME TO. IT WAS SUBMITTED OVER TWO WEEKS AGO, WHICH IS FINE, BUT IT'S IN HERE. IT'S IN HERE. SO I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO WITH IT.

IT'S FINE AS LONG AS THAT SUNSET DATE IS IN THERE.

YEAH. I'LL ADD IN A MINUTE AND R ESUBMIT. YEAH.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

THANK YOU. SO MY QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF A LITTLE BIT AROUND THE TERMINOLOGY, I'M HOPING THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING NOW.

YES. IS THE VOLUNTEER BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY WITH SWEAT EQUITY AND SAVES THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH UNTOLD THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF HARD TAXPAYER'S HARD EARNED DOLLARS. IT JUST FEELS KIND OF ODD TO ME.

THAT TERM THAT IT'S TAKEN FROM I BELIEVE PARKS AND REC, THEIR VOLUNTEER ACKNOWLEDGMENT PROGRAM.

IT'S THE SAME EXACT LANGUAGE FROM AN APPROVED A COMMISSION'S APPROVED LANGUAGE.

I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THE ACTS AND THE DIFFERENT PILLARS AND PLACES AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT ALIGNS.

IT JUST FEELS A LITTLE ODD TO ME. YOU DON'T AGREE THAT THEY SAVED TAXPAYERS? IT DEPENDS. SAME WITH THE VIP PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE.

IF I MAY COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL HERE, I GET THAT WHERE WE PULLED IT FROM.

RIGHT, BUT PULLING WEEDS SORT OF BEGETS THAT SWEAT EQUITY LANGUAGE.

WHERE, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT. RIGHT.

SO WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S JUST WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S TAILORED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT SWEAT EQUITY OR AND OR

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BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED THIS EXERCISE, WE WERE REALLY SAYING THAT A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE SORT OF BEHIND THE SCENES.

THEY DON'T WANT THAT SORT OF BIG DEAL ISHNESS ABOUT IT.

IT'S LIKE, THANK YOU, AND WE WERE SORT OF HOVERING AROUND ACKNOWLEDGING AND APPRECIATE THAT LANGUAGE SEEMS TO PUSH IT SOMEWHERE AND OR REPRESENT A COMMISSION THAT'S NOT PUBLIC SAFETY.

YES. I JUST LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD QUANTIFY NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, STEPPING UP IN A TIME OF CRISIS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS NECESSARILY.

RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW I, HOW I QUANTIFY THAT OR EXEMPLARY SERVICE AND HEROIC DEDICATION FOR A SHEEPDOG.

RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW I NECESSARILY QUANTIFY THAT BACK AND FORTH AND WHAT THAT SWEAT EQUITY IS IF IT'S.

YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD. QUICK COMMENT. I LIKE THE MISSION OF IT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO OVERSELL IT. I'M ALREADY I'M ALREADY FEELING LIKE.

YEAH YEAH. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS AND I KNOW BECAUSE IN THE PAST THERE WAS A CONCERN WHEN SOMEBODY WAS GETTING PAID AND THEN WE WERE RECOGNIZING THEM FOR IT, AND THAT BECAME AN ISSUE IN THE RECREATION AND PARKS, RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY'S GETTING PAID. YOU'RE GETTING CREDIT FOR SOMETHING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

YEAH, THERE'S OTHER RECOGNITION PROGRAMS THROUGH THE CITY AND WHATNOT, SO YOU'RE ALMOST LIKE CIRCUMVENTING AND STEPPING IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT LIKE VIPS, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT. THEY'RE PAID THEY'RE DOING THESE THINGS.

THE CITY HAS A RECOGNITION PROGRAM FOR THEM, TOO.

SO DO WE ADD ON TO THAT? YEAH, AND IS IT DUPLICATIVE AT THAT POINT? AND THEN THE SAME WITH A DONATION JUST FEELS A LITTLE I DON'T KNOW.

IMAGINE THEY GET A THANK YOU ALREADY FROM THE CITY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DONATION I JUST COULDN'T I WAS TRYING TO I WAS LIKE, I CAN'T GET AN EXAMPLE OF A DONATION THAT SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE THAT WOULD NECESSARILY IMPACT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY ON THAT.

ONE SECOND, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS .

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COMES UP IN WORKING THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS, AND I'VE WORKED THEM FOR GOING ON 35 YEARS IN THAT THE IDEA IS, I MEAN, THE DIFFERENT LEVELS. YES. ONE IF YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO MAKES A SERIOUS DONATION, OKAY? THAT CAN HAVE IMPACT. YES, THE CITY ALLEGEDLY HAS OTHER PROGRAMS, BUT SOMETIMES I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE PERSON WHO RECEIVES THIS TYPE OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT AS TO WHO IS IN FACT, ACKNOWLEDGING THEM. OKAY.

I THINK AS A BODY, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE SOMEBODY WHO DOES SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY COUNCIL .

OKAY. I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY. IS THAT SO? THAT'S ONE THING.

DONATIONS SOMETIMES DO HELP, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND HOW IT'S DONE.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THERE'S A SHOE COMPANY THAT DOES MAJOR DONATIONS, AND I THINK EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, EVEN THOUGH THAT THEY, THEY'VE TURNED DOWN QUITE A BIT OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

SOMETIMES IT DOES BECAUSE WHAT DOES HELP OUT.

OKAY. THE OTHER SIDE IN THAT IS ABOUT WHETHER A DEPARTMENT, WHETHER A CITY EMPLOYEE.

THERE'S QUITE A FEW OUT THERE THAT ARE REALLY DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB THAT ARE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED BY THEIR SUPERVISORS. I LEARNED THAT A LOT MORE SO WHEN I WAS AT PUBLIC WORKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE FAVORED PERSON.

SO IF INDIVIDUALS DO COME TO US OR INFORMATION DOES COME TO US THAT GENERALLY ARE NOT THROUGH THE SIMILAR CHANNELS AS BEFORE, THEN I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THEM. I ALSO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE VENTURING INTO EMPLOYEE RELATIONS WITH UNIONIZED EMPLOYEES, AND YOU'RE GETTING INTO A PRETTY STICKY PLACE THERE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE NOT I MEAN. WITH THAT DESCRIPTION, WITH THAT DESCRIPTION.

HOWEVER WE WANT TO DESCRIBE IT. MAY NOT BE THE INTENT, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN A UNIONIZED EMPLOYEE FOR DECADES.

ONE SECOND. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER WODNICKI.

I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALWAYS DISCUSS OUTSIDE OF IT, BUT AS AN HR PROFESSIONAL, TOO, WHO'S RIGHT IN GOVERNMENT, FREQUENTLY TRAINED.

YEAH. YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS ISN'T CIRCUMVENTING ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT. THERE'S NO MONETARY GIFT WHEN WE ACKNOWLEDGE THEM.

IT'S JUST HONORING T HEIR TIME AND IN SOME CASES, DONATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THE OTHER PART I'M TRYING TO STRUGGLE WITH A LITTLE BIT TOO IS WHAT DO WE HOW DO WE DEFINE AND HOW WILL WE KNOW ABOUT GENEROUS DONATIONS? SOMEONE HAS TO NOMINATE. THAT'S WHAT THAT FORM IS FOR.

I HAVE TO TELL MY WIFE THAT I DONATED X AMOUNT OF MONEY TO THE BAKER TO VEGAS TEAM, AND THEN SHE'S GOING TO NOMINATE ME.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. IT COULD BE. YOU LIKE THAT?

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LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO, FUNCTIONALLY, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT FROM JUST A PROCESS AND AWARENESS PERSPECTIVE SO THAT IT MAKES SENSE AND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY VIABLE, AND BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS CHALLENGES WE HAD WITH THE RECREATION AND PARKS WAS WE WEREN'T GETTING THESE NOMINATIONS.

THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE MAKING IT VAGUE AND OPEN ENDED SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY.

SO IF IT'S SO CLOSED OFF, YOU'RE MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT AND YOU'RE EXCLUDING PEOPLE.

SO IF YOU WANT TO HONOR PEOPLE, YOU'RE GOING TO APPLY.

YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT THE VOLUNTEER SERVICE IS, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WHO'S BEEN ELECTED.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE US IS GOING TO REVIEW IT AND HAVE NOTES AND COME DOWN AND QUANTIFY IT AT THAT POINT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE OR NOT. SO IN THE APPLICATION, IT DOESN'T DETERMINE IT DOESN'T TELL ME WHICH ONE OF THESE KIND OF FIVE WAS IT FIVE PILLARS, I GUESS. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO DECIDE WHERE IT FALLS SO YOU CAN HONOR THEM.

CORRECT. IT'S NOT FOR THE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE ALL THIS WORK.

WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SO MANY OBSTACLES IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO HONOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THEY WOULD SUBMIT SOMETHING AND WE WOULD SAY, OH, THAT'S A HEARTFELT THING.

OH, THAT'S THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY. MAY I RESPOND AS WELL? THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT ALSO OCCURS IN THIS IS OUTREACH.

IT'S INCUMBENT ON US. IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO DO OUTREACH IN ORDER TO PUT THIS OUT AND TO PUSH THIS AND TO ASK FOR AND DETERMINE WHO IS OUT THERE.

OKAY. WHEN I WAS AT PARKS AND REC AGAIN, I ASKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES, AND IN GOING THROUGH THE WEBSITE OF THE CITY I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANYTHING ON THERE ABOUT THAT. SO I THINK SOMETIMES IT IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO SELL IT.

SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO PUSH THIS OUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, OR EVEN ASK OR TO CONTACT THE LOCAL NEWS TO BE ABLE TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT, OR EVEN IN THE OFFICERS SAYING, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IN WORKING IN COMMUNITY RELATIONS.

HEY, I'VE GOT THIS GUY WHO'S WORKED OVER HERE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

THE YOUR VOLUNTEERS IN POLICING. OKAY. EVERY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE PUT OVER 200 HOURS OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE, HAS RECEIVED AN AWARD NOW FROM A LOCAL NONPROFIT.

RIGHT. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? YES. TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST MEETING.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS, THOUGH IT'S INCUMBENT ON US, IT'S INCUMBENT ON ACTUALLY ANYONE AND EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK FOR THIS. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT A BARREN DESERT WHEN IT COMES TO VOLUNTEERISM BY FAR IN THIS CITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING REALLY GOOD WORK.

I JUST HAVE SOME TROUBLE WITH SOME OF THE LANGUAGE. I MEAN, WE CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, OR WE CAN MAKE A MOTION FIGURE OUT WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.

DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS IS, OR DO WE WANT TO AS A COMMISSION, LIKE GIVE OUR REDLINES, SEND IT TO KYLE I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD REDLINE IT OR AND OR CONSULT WITH THE CITY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T WANT US TO OVERSTEP THEIR BOUNDS.

RIGHT. NO. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE IF YOU'RE IN A LINE OF CARS AND SOMEONE COMES UP AND YOU GIVE THEM A DOLLAR, THE PERSON BEHIND YOU IS GOING TO SEE THAT AND IS MORE WILLING TO GIVE THEM A DOLLAR. IF WE'RE NOT ACKNOWLEDGING ANYBODY, IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGE PEOPLE AT THIS MEETING AND SOMEBODY'S SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, I'M LIKE, WOW, I CAN REALLY VOLUNTEER AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT IF WE'RE JUST SITTING HERE PUTTING ALL THESE HURDLES IN FRONT OF THEM AND MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM, FEWER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE INSPIRED TO HELP, AND SO THAT'S THE WHY I'M JUST PUSHING BACK A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A DIFFICULT THING. I DON'T SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH HONORING PEOPLE, EVEN FOR SOMETHING AS SMALL AS PICKING UP GARBAGE. IF I COULD GIVE YOU A REWARD FOR PUTTING IT IN THE TRASH CAN, I WOULD, BUT I TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD GO AND PUT IT BEFORE THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE ALL THESE HURDLES PUT IN FRONT OF APPRECIATING THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I THINK YOU MAYBE IT'S JUST THE LANGUAGE IN HERE.

NOT NECESSARILY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PUSHBACK ON IT.

NO ONE'S SAYING, DON'T DO THIS. WE'RE JUST SAYING, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. I'M SAYING HOW I FEEL AND WHAT I'M TELLING YOU. I DON'T NEED YOU TO TELL ME HOW I FEEL. I'M JUST SAYING I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. YEAH, WE'RE TOTALLY ACKNOWLEDGING.

I APPRECIATE I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. THAT'S HOW I FELT WHEN YOU WERE SAYING IT. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION, SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S HOW IT CAME ACROSS. GREAT. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE I DON'T SAY REDLINE.

THAT'S SO HARSH BECAUSE IT'S GREAT. YEAH, BUT THAT'S THE WORD.

IS THAT THE WORD? OKAY. WE REVIEW IT. WORDSMITH.

WORDSMITH. THERE WE GO. WORDSMITH, AND THEN SEND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO KYLE.

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MOTION TO FOR THE COMMISSION TO SEND THEIR WORDSMITH EDITS TO KYLE TO OFFICER LOFSTROM TO SEND OUT TO ALL OF US VIA BCC, AND FOR US TO THEN VOTE IN OUR MAY MEETING. I DON'T WANT US TO DRAG OUR FEET.

DO YOU WANT TO SUBMIT IT FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO VOTING? YES. SO INSTEAD OF YES, WE SHOULD DO THAT FIRST.

WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING NEXT TIME WE'RE VOTING ON IT NEXT TIME.

WELL, IF I MAY. YES. I'M SORRY. THAT'S MY MOTION.

THAT'S MY MOTION. FEEL FREE TO AMEND OR MAKE ANOTHER MOTION HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

YES. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. I WOULD AMEND THIS TO INDICATE THAT ALLOW EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER TO REVIEW, TO GIVE SUGGESTIONS, AND THAT WE RETURN WITH THIS WITH THOSE SUGGESTIONS, AND THEREFORE THEY MAY BE, AT WHICH TIME THEY MAY BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THEIR OPINION AS TO WHY THEY FEEL CERTAIN THINGS SHOULD BE DONE.

SO YOU WANT TO MAKE A DISCUSSION THEN? YES. OKAY.

OKAY. AGAIN, THEY ARE OUT THERE INDICATING THAT WE ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT WE STRIVE FOR PERFECTION.

WE COULD GO WORDSMITHING ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT.

WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, BUT I THINK HERE'S THE THING. IF SOMEONE SAYS IF SOMEONE SAYS SAY FOR EXAMPLE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS TERM.

OKAY. I THINK SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO COME IN AND INDICATE WHAT THE TERM IS, AND THEN WE DISCUSS THAT TERM TO DETERMINE HOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS AN ISSUE. I DON'T WANT TO KICK THIS CAN TOO FAR DOWN, BUT I WOULD SAY THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUT IN YOUR SUGGESTIONS WORDS HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO THAT, AND THEN WE COME BACK TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE AND THEN WHETHER WE AGREE THAT WE CHANGE IT AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE SHOULD BE WE SHOULD BE THROUGH WITH IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING I HAVEN'T SEEN D ISCUSSED.

I WAS HOPING THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS. TODAY WAS A DISCUSSION ON, BUT I SUPPOSE NO ONE HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT.

RIGHT, AND I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE MORE PUSHBACK THAN I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE. RIGHT. RIGHT.

YEAH. I WAS TOLD WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, SO. I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY. I WAS TOLD WE DIDN'T HAVE IT. NO, NO.

I'M FINE. DON'T APOLOGIZE. I UNDERSTAND. SORRY.

OKAY. DO I HEAR A NEW MOTION? SO THE MOTION IS TO SEND OUR WORDS TO OFFICER LOFSTROM, WHO WILL CONSOLIDATE THEM AND SEND THEM OUT TO ALL OF US FOR REVIEW, AND WE WILL ADD THIS TO OUR AGENDA FOR MAY AS A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE WHAT DO WE CALL IT? POSSIBLE ACTION MEANING VOTING. ON THE FINAL PRODUCT.

I NEED A SECOND. ALL YOUR HEADS NOD. OKAY. MOTION IS PRESENTED AND SECOND.

LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.

OKAY.

ANYONE ONLINE? NEGATIVE AND, AND NEGATIVE ON E-COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. J.5 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ADVISORY ACTION REGARDING REDONDO BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE 5-1.200 CONCERNING LICENSING OF DOGS. I LEAD ON THAT AS COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING. OR IF YOU WANT TO TABLE.

OH, YEAH. CURRENTLY THE 5-1 SERIES OF THE SANITATION HEALTH ORDINANCE INDICATES THE LICENSING OF DOGS WITHIN THE CITY, AND I TAKE IT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO FORWARD THIS STUFF I SENT TO YOU TODAY? NO, NOT TODAY. NO PROBLEM. THEN OBVIOUSLY, I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS.

WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND WHAT I'M HOPING TO PROPOSE IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE RABIES VACCINATION PREREQUISITE FOR

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THE ARGUMENTS AND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHOULD BE GETTING INDICATES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT ONLY THE RETURN OF AN ANIMAL, BUT THE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING A MICROCHIP DOG.

ONE IS THAT BEING ABLE TO AN ANIMAL TO BE RETURNED IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER TO, IN FACT, GOING FROM ANYWHERE FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH ANIMAL CONTROL HALF AN HOUR, IF THE ANIMAL IS ACTUALLY TURNED OVER TO ANIMAL CONTROL TO COULD BE UP TO 5 OR 6 DAYS, WHICH THEN NOW, THEN RATHER 5 OR 6 HOURS, WHERE THE ANIMAL CONTROL INDIVIDUAL HAS TO MANAGE THE DOG, SAFEGUARD THE DOG, AND THEN TRANSPORT THE DOG TO INGLEWOOD AGAIN, WHERE IT'S IN A SHELTER IN WHICH THEN NOW CAUSES AGAIN MORE DOGS IN A MORE STRESSFUL SITUATION AS WELL AS THEN CAUSING THE OWNER, IF FOUND TO THEN SHOW UP, HAVE TO PAY AN IMPOUND FEE AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE THEIR DOG. SO YOU'RE LOOKING PROBABLY AT WELL COULD BE SEVERAL HUNDREDS $100 FOR THE DOG IF THE DOG IS EVEN RETURNED.

OKAY. WHICH AGAIN, THIS WOULD CAUSE THE ANIMAL CONTROL WHO CAN ON-SITE WAND THE DOG WITH EXISTING EQUIPMENT. THEY ALREADY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE CROSS-REFERENCE WITH A LICENSE, AND THEN IN TURN, HOPEFULLY CONTACT THE OWNER. NOW, THE 5-1.109 MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL DOGS HAVE A LICENSE, RATHER THAT HAVE A LICENSE MUST HAVE IT ON THEIR COLLAR.

OKAY. THE REALITY IS THAT MANY DOGS DO NOT. OKAY.

MY WORK AT THE DOG PARK, IN FACT, IF YOU WALK DOWN THE DOG PARK, MANY OF THE COLLARS ARE HANGING ON THE FENCE.

SO IF A DOG GETS OUT. SO THE REALITY IS, IS THAT ALTHOUGH IT IS REQUIRED, ALTHOUGH IT IS LAW.

ALTHOUGH THERE'S CITATIONS FOR IT, THE REALITY IS MANY DOGS CANNOT, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU ALSO HAVE THE IDEA AND THE FACT THAT IF A DOG WERE TO GET OUT OF A YARD AND SUCH, THEN SOMETIMES THEY ARE NOT WEARING THE COLLAR AND SUCH.

THE MICROCHIP. IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF, IS A SMALL RADIO FREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION TRANSPONDER THAT IS INJECTED UNDER THE DOG'S SKIN, GENERALLY AT THE BASE OF THE NECK. GENERALLY DONE BY A VETERINARIAN OR SOMEONE.

SOME TYPE OF MEDICAL CONDITION, OR RATHER A MEDICAL EXPERIENCE.

ALTHOUGH ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, IT DOES INDICATE THAT A PERSON OTHER THAN A VETERINARY PROFESSIONAL WHO HAS DONE THIS MAY DO IT IF THE LOCAL JURISDICTION ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY COMES FROM A STATE THAT ALLOWS ANY KENNEL MASTER OR A A DOG BREEDER WHO CAN DO IT THEMSELVES THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT. THE ONLY THING IS THAT THERE'S AN ATTESTATION THAT ONCE THEY PRESENT THE INFORMATION OF THE MICROCHIP, THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY CERTIFY THAT THE DOG HAS BEEN INJECTED IN A HUMANE MANNER.

THAT'S BASICALLY THAT'S ALL IT BASICALLY SAYS. NOW, THE OTHER ASPECT TO HAVING THIS IS NOT ONLY THE COST, BUT ALSO, I MEAN, AS FAR AS RETURNING LOST DOGS, BUT ALSO IF THERE'S A DISPUTE AS TO OWNERSHIP OF A DOG, WHICH ALSO CAN BE A FACTOR SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY DOES FIND THE DOG AND DOES NOT RETURN THE DOG.

I'VE HEARD OF AND SEEN WHERE DOGS FIVE AND SIX YEARS LATER SUDDENLY FOUND BECAUSE BECAUSE THE VETERINARIAN TOOK THE TIME TO WAND THE DOG FIGURED OUT, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS DOG IS WANDED AND YOU'RE NOT THE OFFICIAL OWNER, AND AGAIN, BUT IT ACTUALLY ASSISTS IN DISPUTES OF THAT.

THE ACCORDING TO THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB, THE A DOG THAT IS MICROCHIPPED HAS A 300% MORE INCREASE IN LIKELIHOOD OF BEING RETURNED SAFELY. OKAY. THERE ARE OTHERS, BUT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 50 TO 300%.

OKAY. IT IS FAIRLY I MEAN, IT'S INVASIVE, BUT IDEALLY IT IS NOT AS AS TRAUMATIC AS, SAY, TATTOOING A DOG, WHICH WE USED TO DO YEARS AGO. THE ONLY UPSIDE TO TATTOOING A DOG IS THAT IF A DOG IS TATTOOED, IT CANNOT BE USED IN MEDICAL RESEARCH. OKAY. THAT WAS A LOT OF YEARS AGO.

OKAY AND MOST DOGS ARE NOT TATTOOED ANYMORE A T ALL, IF AT ALL.

OKAY. I MEAN, MAYBE OTHER THAN SOME GUY JUST DOING IT ON HIS OWN.

OKAY, BUT FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES, EVEN MILITARY DOGS ARE NOT DONE THAT ANYMORE.

SORRY. I SAID TATTOOED FOR ID BECAUSE, LIKE, MY DOG, SHE'S GOT A TATTOO FOR WHEN SHE GOT FIXED.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, OR ON THE EYE OR ON THE COSMETIC TATTOOS.

GOT IT. FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES, FOR CLARIFICATION.

OKAY. SO MY CONCERN AGAIN IS THAT THERE IS A CROSS-REFERENCE BETWEEN THE MICROCHIP NUMBER.

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OKAY. THERE ARE PROBABLY AT LEAST 5 OR 6 AGENCIES CURRENTLY THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO REGISTER YOUR DOG WITH THEM FOR FREE.

THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB IS ONE OF THEM, AND IT HAS A NATIONWIDE CROSS-REFERENCING DATA.

THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS IN THAT, IN THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL CHARGE 22, 23, $24 PER YEAR FOR THAT.

THE DOWNSIDE AS WELL IS THESE ARE NOT TRACKERS.

THEY ARE NOT GPS. THEY ARE NOT INTENDED TO DO THAT NOW, AND GENERALLY THEY DO REQUIRE A SPECIAL TYPE OF WAND TO DO THAT.

HOWEVER, I CAN FORESEE IN THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY DO IT ON YOUR IPHONE BECAUSE.

BECAUSE IT'S A PROFIT. YEAH, I DO THAT NOW. I HAVE TAGS THAT I USE ON MY DOGS.

THAT THE QR CODE THAT YOU CAN DO THAT CAN PINPOINT THE DOG WHEREVER IT'S AT.

SO THE OTHER SIDE TO THIS IS IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, THE FRIENDS OF THE REDONDO BEACH DOG PARK ON TWO OCCASIONS ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 100 FREE MICROCHIPS THAT WERE BEING GIVEN OUT AT THAT TIME, AND I'M QUITE CERTAIN THAT IF, IN FACT, THIS DOES GO THROUGH, THAT THEY WILL BE IN THE SAME POSITION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY 50 TO 100 FREE MICROCHIPS.

OKAY. IDEALLY THIS WOULD GO THROUGH, HOPEFULLY GO THROUGH, AND THAT AT THE TIME OF WHEN THE DOG NEEDS TO BE RENEWED THEIR LICENSING, AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IN, UPDATE THE INFORMATION ON THERE WITH THAT.

OKAY. I THINK THIS WHAT THIS DOES, IS IT KIND OF, AGAIN, COST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THE FIELD OR OUR MUNICIPAL OFFICERS CAUSES LESS STRESS FOR THE ANIMAL, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IS THAT SHELTERS ARE FILLED WITH DOGS. SOMETIMES I MOST DEFINITELY LOVE TO GO HOME AND SUCH.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT CAME UP DURING THE FIRES LOST DOGS.

I SAW A LOT OF DOGS OUT THERE WHEN I WAS OUT AT THE FIRES.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN KATRINA WAS THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT LEAVE THEIR HOMES BECAUSE SOME DOGS WERE NOT BEING ABLE TO GO INTO SHELTERS WITH THEM, AND THEREFORE SOME OF THE DOGS WERE LEFT THERE AND THEN SO WE HAVE DOGS IN KATRINA THAT, THAT COULD NOT BE REUNITED, IF YOU WILL. SO OR EVEN WITH, WITH LIKE DURING THE CURRENT FIRES, IF YOU'RE NOT HOME AND YOUR DOG RUNS OFF AND NOW WE'VE GOT A DOG RUNNING DOWN THROUGH THE FIELDS AND STUFF. IDEALLY, I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ALL CITIES WILL BE GOING TO.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES IS DOING A PILOT PROGRAM.

THERE ARE PROBABLY WELL OVER 1000 CITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS, THAT REQUIRE IT, OKAY, IN THAT. MY TALKING WITH ANIMAL CONTROL IS THAT AND EVEN THE CURRENT VENDOR THAT DOES THE LICENSING DOES HAVE A PORTION AND ALREADY HAS AN AREA IN WHICH THE MICROCHIP NUMBER IS PLACED IN THERE. SO IT'S ALREADY SET UP FOR IT.

OKAY, AND AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO THE WANDING AND THE CROSS-REFERENCES.

CURRENTLY WHAT OCCURS IS THAT IF THEY DO WAND THE DOG, IT DOES GIVE YOU THE 15 DIFFERENT CODES.

SOMETIMES IT'LL GIVE YOU THE MANUFACTURER'S NAME, AND WHAT CURRENTLY OCCURS IS THE ANIMAL CONTROL IS KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF MAYBE A LOCAL VETERINARIAN TO GIVE UP THAT INFORMATION, AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY WON'T DO IT.

THEY'LL SAY, AND I UNDERSTAND SO, BUT THEY'LL SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'LL CALL THE OWNER.

OKAY. WHERE THEY DO OR DON'T, WHO KNOWS? AGAIN, THIS PUTS IT BASICALLY A FRONTLINE.

MAYBE THEY CAN GO AND DOOR, KNOCK THE HOUSE, RETURN THE DOG RIGHT AWAY, PUT IT IN THE YARD. HOWEVER THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT AGAIN I THINK I THINK THIS IN THE LONG RUN PUTS US ON THE FOREFRONT OF ANIMAL CARE AS WELL AS, AGAIN, THE IDEA OF LOST ANIMALS ARE RETURNED.

NOW, I KNOW THAT MOST CITIES WILL HAVE DOG AND CAT.

I THINK IF WE START OFF WITH DOGS, WE CAN WORK FROM THERE.

INDICATION IS THAT THERE ARE ONLY 2200 ISH LICENSES THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED IN THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH.

OKAY. THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE ABOUT 16,000. OKAY, AND WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE SERVICE DOGS THAT HAVE A SPECIAL LICENSE THAT GENERALLY ARE NOT, BUT THEY SHOULD ALSO HAVE ONE AS WELL, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A SERVICE DOG.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? YEAH. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES NUMBER ONE.

CHAIR. THANKS, COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. THAT WAS VERY THOROUGH, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS AGENDA ITEM WITH SOME MEAT BEHIND IT.

SO APPRECIATE IT. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. YEAH.

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SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A NUMBER THAT INDICATES THAT THERE'S A PREREQUISITE FOR THE LICENSE.

THERE'S A LICENSE PREREQUISITE. THIS WOULD ADD IT AS A SECOND PREREQUISITE FOR THAT, AND SO I T'S NOT OPTIONAL.

IT'S MANDATORY. MANDATORY? IT'S MANDATORY. SO IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH THAT, THEN YOU GET FINED.

I SEE CURRENTLY THERE'S A FINE. ACTUALLY NO IF YOU DO NOT ADHERE TO IT YOU MAY NOT REGISTER.

YOU MAY NOT LICENSE YOUR DOG. THE FINEST FOR THE UNLICENSED DOG.

JUST LIKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A VACCINATION, YOU CANNOT YOU CANNOT DO THAT.

SO SAY YOU SAY HEY, THE HECK WITH IT, AND THEN THEY COME BY AND THEY CATCH YOU AND YOU'RE NOT. YOUR DOG IS UNLICENSED.

JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. IT'S A SLIPPERY ROAD WHERE THE GOVERNMENT HAS AN INTENDED PURPOSE AND IT CAN OVERSTEPPED ITS BOUNDS.

LIKE HOW FAR DOES THE GOVERNMENT GO? IT SEEMS LIKE NO END TO IT.

WHERE NOW, IF YOU HAVE A PET, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO O SOMETHING INVASIVE WITH IT.

OTHERWISE YOU GET FINED TO MAKES IT SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PET.

SEEMS EXTREME TO ME. WELL, I WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WOULD SAY THIS YOU HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS A PRIVILEGE.

IT'S NOT A RIGHT. OKAY. THE OTHER SIDE WITH THIS IS THAT IT IS SOMEWHAT INVASIVE.

I WOULD SAY THAT, BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT QUITE A FEW PEOPLE EVEN IN FACT, PROBABLY I WOULD SAY A GOOD PORTION OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, EVEN THOSE THAT ARE UNLICENSED, ALREADY CHIPPED ANYWAY.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THERE IS AN EXEMPTION FOR THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A BEING AWARE OF THAT.

IS THAT A IF A VETERINARY PROFESSIONAL HAS INDICATED THAT THE DOG WOULD NOT, OR IF THERE WOULD BE AN ISSUE OF A MEDICAL ISSUE OF THE DOG, NOT A PSYCHOLOGICAL BUT A MEDICAL ISSUE, THAT THE DOG SHOULD NOT BE CHIPPED.

THERE CAN BE AN EXEMPTION TO THAT PROVIDED THERE IS A VALID LETTER FROM A VETERINARY PROFESSIONAL.

OKAY. SO THERE IS A WAY OUT OF THAT. OKAY. NO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY, AND THEN ONE I DON'T KNOW. CAN I CONTINUE? OKAY. YEAH. JUST BY GENERAL COMMENT, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT.

IT'S GOING TOO FAR. IT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT I THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS SOMETHING AN INTERESTING POINT.

YOU SAID THERE WERE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DOGS THAT WERE LICENSED, BUT THE QUANTITY OF DOGS IN THE CITY IS MUCH HIGHER.

YES. YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, AND HOW IS THAT RELATED? I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT HOW IS THAT RELATED WITH THE MICROCHIPPING THAT WILL HELP ENSURE THAT ALL DOGS GET REGISTERED, THEN? OR NO. I MEAN, THE IDEA IS JUST KIND OF POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE LAW, THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT INDICATES THAT THE DOG HAS TO BE LICENSED.

FURTHER, AS YOU'RE SAYING, IS THAT INVASIVE? IS THAT EVEN I KNOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ANTI-VAX OF ANYTHING, BUT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE VACCINATION OF RABIES, EVEN THOUGH PROBABLY MY UNDERSTANDING OF A DOMESTICATED DOG, RATHER A CASE OF A DOMESTICATED DOG HAVING RABIES.

OKAY, IN THE UNITED STATES IS VERY, VERY RARE.

OKAY. YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET IT FROM A SQUIRREL OR BUBONIC PLAGUE THAN YOU WOULD FROM A DOMESTIC DOG, AND THAT BASICALLY COMES BECAUSE OF VACCINATION.

SO THE IDEA IS THAT I'M ONLY POINTING OUT THE NUMBER OF DOGS CURRENTLY OF 2200 ISH THAT ARE THAT ARE LICENSED IN THE CITY, AND MY INDICATION IS THAT THERE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DOGS, I BELIEVE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, 65% OF ALL HOMES HAVE SOME TYPE OF DOG OR HAVE A DOG IN THERE.

SO IF YOU WORK THE NUMBERS AND THERE'S WHAT, 47,000 SOME ODD RESIDENTS.

SO I WOULD SAY THERE SHOULD BE $16,000. NOW I WOULD ASK I WOULD PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY IF YOU WERE TO WALK ON YOUR WALKS, YOUR TEN MILE WALK AND 50,000 CHIHUAHUAS COME OUT OF THE BUSHES AND BITE YOU UP, I WOULD WANT YOU TO I WOULD WANT YOU TO PROBABLY WOULD VENTURE TO SAY IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF, IN FACT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE DOGS WERE VACCINATED AND LICENSED.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE'RE UNABLE TO EVEN TO EVEN REGISTER OR A LICENSE THAT EVEN A 10TH OR A FIFTH OF THE POPULATION OF ANIMALS WE HAVE IN THE CITY, AND NOW YOU WANT TO IMPOSE EVEN MORE REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY, BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.

I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THIS. THERE'S GOING TO BE A PORTION OF THE POPULATION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMPLY WITH ANYTHING. I GET IT. OKAY.

THEN THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MAKING A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO US TO DECIDE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

THE OTHER SIDE TO THIS IS I WOULD VENTURE TO GO TOWARDS THE POPULATION THAT IF YOUR DOG GOT OUT, YOUR DOG WAS HIT BY A CAR, THEY COULD SCAN IT.

AT LEAST YOU WOULD HAVE CLOSURE. SO THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED IN THAT, THAT AGAIN, NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO LIKE IT. IT'S PEOPLE, OH IT'S GOVERNMENT OVERREACH. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IT'S GOVERNMENT OVERREACH FOR FOR

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I'M NOT AN EXTREMIST. NO, SIR. I PUT IT THIS WAY.

I SPENT MY WHOLE ADULT CAREER DEFENDING YOUR RIGHT TO DISAGREE.

OKAY, AND WE'RE FINE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLAIR. THANK YOU. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS PROBABLY ONE IS ARE WE ABLE TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL CODE WITHIN THIS, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THEY CAN KILL IT UP THERE AND IT WOULDN'T MATTER.

OKAY, AND THEN I THINK MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS, WOULD THIS BE ANOTHER BARRIER TO ENTRY RIGHT AROUND COMPLIANCE? BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE REALLY LOW COMPLIANCE WITH THIS, AND IS IT JUST ANOTHER OBSTACLE? IF I MEAN, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, MY DOG'S CHIP.

SO I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT ANY ARGUMENT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF I HAVE TO EVEN THOSE THAT EVEN NOW THAT DON'T EVEN PUT A COLLAR ON THEIR DOG, MUCH LESS HAVE THE TAG VISIBLE, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT I DON'T SEE THE ANIMAL CONTROL RUNNING AROUND STOPPING PEOPLE AND DOING THAT EITHER.

OKAY. IT'S TO THE POINT OF THAT THOSE WHO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN AND I REALLY HATE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS KIND OF I'M NOT SAYING CONDESCENDING, BUT TRITE, THAT IF WE CAN SAVE MORE DOGS FROM BEING IN THE SHELTER AND WE CAN RETURN ANIMALS BACK HOME EVEN IF THE 2200, THEN I THINK IT'S OKAY. THAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S I THINK HOUSTON DOES IT.

RIGHT. SO IN HOUSTON THEY DON'T HOUSTON DOES A LOT.

YES. THE DOG STAYS WITH THE CITY INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE SHELTER UNTIL AND THAT THEY LITERALLY DELIVER THE DOG TO THE HOUSE.

RIGHT, AND IS THAT THE EXPECTATION OR OKAY TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS? OKAY. THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH THE LOVEJOY FOUNDATION AS THEIR SHELTER.

THEY USED TO GO TO CARSON. OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU REALLY GO DOWN TO THE DRILL DOWN THE LAW.

THE LAW ACTUALLY INDICATES THE MUNICIPAL CODE INDICATES THAT IF SOMEBODY RATHER IF THE ANIMAL CONTROL FINDS A DOG, OKAY, RUNNING THE STREET, WHATEVER ELSE. OKAY, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT A POSTER UP ON A BULLETIN BOARD AND THEN NOTIFY.

YES. WITHIN WITHIN YOU KNOW, WHICH THEY DON'T DO.

OKAY, FINE. THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER ANOTHER FIGHT I MAY GET INTO LATER.

OKAY, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE DOG. MY UNDERSTANDING IN SPEAKING TO THE ANIMAL CONTROL, THEY MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO TRY TO GET THAT DOG PLACED WITHIN.

THAT'S WHY WE BUILT--I CAN "WE," BECAUSE I WAS A PART OF THAT--THE TEMPORARY KENNELS THERE SO THAT WE CAN HOUSE THEM THERE WITHOUT LEAVING THEM IN THE TRUCKS.

OKAY. SO IF WE CAN GET THEM OUT THERE HOUR OR TWO HOURS, WHATEVER ELSE, WITHOUT CAUSING MORE DELAY, SAY YOU'RE AT WORK OR WHATEVER AND YOUR DOG'S OUT AND HE'S GOING TO GET SHIPPED OFF TO INGLEWOOD BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE CONTRACT WITH, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET OUT THERE.

THEN YOU'VE GOT TO PAY, I THINK, $300 TO GET YOUR DOG OUT.

OKAY, AND THEN IF THEY IF THEY HAVE YOUR DOG, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO DO THAT AS WELL.

SO WHAT I BELIEVE THIS IS WE'RE ABLE TO WAND THE DOG, GET HIM BACK HOME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND WITHOUT HAVING THE DRIVE TIME UP THERE, THE MONEY AND EXPENSE SENT THERE, AND THEN YOU HAVING TO GO UP THERE AS WELL.

GOT IT. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER GAUL.

IS THERE A, AND GOOD EVENING. IS THERE A LIST OF APPROVED VENDORS, OR DO WE HAVE ONE EXCLUSIVE PROPOSED? YES. THERE ARE PROBABLY SIX VENDORS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THE DIFFERENT TYPES, BUT THEY'RE CROSS-REFERENCED. OKAY.

OKAY. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT LIST, AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOES ON IS NOT TO SAY ANY ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.

I THINK A LOT OF IT IS SHOPPING. THE DOWNSIDE IS THIS THERE WAS ONE VENDOR WITHIN THREE MONTHS AGO THAT OUT OF BUSINESS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD LOOK INTO THIS IN THE OUTREACH IS THAT ANIMAL CONTROL CAN SAY, HERE ARE FIVE VENDORS, HERE ARE FIVE TYPES. HERE ARE FIVE REGISTRIES.

YOU CAN GO ON FOR FREE. CROSS-REFERENCE SO THAT IF YOU GO TO AKC, IT'S CALLED AKC REUNITE.

OKAY. YOU CAN JUMP ON THERE FOR FREE. YOU CAN JUMP ON 3 OR 4 OTHERS.

SO THIS WAY, NO MATTER WHO THEY WANT, EVERYBODY'S TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S THE OUTREACH OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL TO BE ABLE TO SAVE PEOPLE MONEY AND TO BE ABLE TO INDICATE THAT.

SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE GARAGE MAKING THESE THINGS AND TRYING TO SELL THEM.

THERE'S LIKE, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE DATA REGISTRATION IS A SELLING POINT.

AGAIN, WHAT WE DID AT THE DOG PARK WITH THE 50 THAT WE ARE, 50 TO 100 THAT WE GAVE OUT WE CONTRACTED WITH A VETERINARIAN WHO CAME OUT AND THOSE WERE ONLY $25 EACH FREE THAT WE THAT WE PAID FOR THAT.

OKAY, AND THEN YOU GET A CERTIFICATE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU USE TO BE ABLE TO FIND YOUR DOG AND WHATEVER ELSE.

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SO IT'S ABOUT A 300 TO $400,000 MARKET OPPORTUNITY FOR FIVE DIFFERENT NGOS TO DO THE WORK? UNFORTUNATELY, YES. OKAY. JUST LIKE THE VACCINATIONS, I CAN BUY A VACCINATION FOR $12.

YET IF I GO TO MY VETERINARIAN, IT'S GOING TO COST ME $75.

OKAY, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CERTAIN VACCINATIONS THAT I CAN GIVE, WHEREAS A RABIES VACCINATION IS I CANNOT GIVE OR SHOULD NOT.

OKAY, BUT ANYTHING ELSE I CAN GIVE. I'VE DONE IT, WHETHER IT'S BORDETELLA OR WHATEVER ELSE.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS, ARE YOU A MEMBER OF ANY OF THE NGOS THAT WILL BE PAID FOR THIS SERVICE? NO, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I GET I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY OF THAT.

I AM NOT A VETERINARIAN, OKAY? I AM A DOG PROFESSIONAL, BUT I RECEIVE NO MONEY WHATSOEVER.

IN CLARIFICATION, I AM ALSO ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE REDONDO FRIENDS OF THE REDONDO BEACH DOG PARK.

WE RECEIVED NO MONEY, NO FUNDS OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR ANY OF THIS.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

IN A PRIOR LIFE, I WOULD RUN LOW COST RABIES AND MICROCHIP CLINICS FOR A CITY IN BOSTON, AND IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO LICENSE DOGS, BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD DO IS ON LIKE A SATURDAY MORNING OR A SUNDAY MORNING, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE OR WHOEVER IS GOING TO LICENSE THE DOGS WOULD STAY OPEN.

WE'D GET A VET FROM A LOCAL HOSPITAL WHO HAD VACCINES AND MICROCHIPS THAT WERE ABOUT TO EXPIRE, SO THEY HAD TO USE THEM OR THEY'D BE DISPOSED OF ANYWAY.

WE CHARGE AN EXTREMELY LOW COST TO THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'D BE LAPTOPS THERE SO THEY COULD REGISTER THEIR DOG'S MICROCHIP ON THE SPOT, AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY WERE DONE, THEY WERE DIRECTED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WHERE THEY THEN WOULD RENEW THEIR DOG'S LICENSE OR LICENSE THEM.

SO BY HOLDING THOSE LOW COST, LOW COST CLINICS IN THE COMMUNITY, SHOULD THIS OCCUR, OR EVEN IN GENERAL, THEY SHOULD DO IT ANYWAY, EVEN IF THIS WASN'T TO OCCUR.

YOU COULD THEN FUNNEL THOSE PEOPLE INTO CITY HALL TO THEN REGISTER OR LICENSE THEIR DOG, BECAUSE PEOPLE YOU GO TO A VET, A VET'S GOING TO UPCHARGE YOU, AND THIS IS A GREAT WAY FOR A LOCAL VET OR ANIMAL HOSPITAL TO GET THEIR NAME OUT THERE AS WELL, AND THEY'RE DONATING AT A LOW COST SOMETIMES.

SOME YEARS IT WOULD BE FREE. SOME YEARS IT WOULD BE $10, $5, AND I THINK YOU'D WAY RATHER PAY $5 FOR A MICROCHIP THAN $60 OR $70, AND IT'S STAYING IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU CAN FIND A LOCAL VET.

SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. ESPECIALLY IN LOCATING DOGS, YOU KNOW FOR FAMILIES AND REUNITING THEM, MICROCHIPPING, BUT ALSO JUST A WAY TO GET PEOPLE IN TO GET THAT NUMBER FROM 2000, MAYBE TO 5000, AND THEN MAYBE AFTER 5000, ONE DAY IT COULD BE 10,000, OR MAYBE IT'LL STAY AT 2000, WHO KNOWS? BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT. I ONLY HAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT IT.

PASS OUT SOME DOG TREATS WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT.

YES. THE FRIENDS OF THE REDONDO BEACH DOG PARK AGAIN.

FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE BEEN GIVING OUT FREE VACCINATIONS TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN TORRANCE, ACTUALLY. SOUTH BAY PEOPLE INITIALLY. THE FIRST YEAR WE DID IT WAS SENIORS AND VETERANS AND WE GAVE OUT, I THINK ABOUT 65 VACCINATIONS OR CHIPS, WHICHEVER THEY OPTED TO DO.

THAT WAS FOR FREE. OKAY. LAST YEAR WE DID IT AGAIN, AND IT WAS FOR ANYBODY WHO LIVED WITHIN THE SOUTH BAY.

THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. WE DO HAVE A VETERINARIAN THAT TRAVELS ABOUT.

WE TRIED DOING IT EVERY, EVERY MONTH AND THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH BUSINESS, I THINK ABOUT 8 OR 10 YEARS AGO WE TRIED THAT, BRINGING THEM IN FOR THE LOW COST, YOU KNOW, AS A SERVICE, AND WE FOUND THAT THERE WASN'T A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP THAT EVERY SATURDAYS. SO NOW WE DO IT LIKE ONCE A YEAR AND WE'LL GET 30 OR 40 PEOPLE WE'LL SOMETIMES GET FROM OUTSIDE CITIES, BUT WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT THE HELL? AS LONG AS YOU GET YOUR RABIES. BECAUSE AGAIN, USUALLY AGAIN, I THINK THE QUESTION CAME UP IS, IS THE RABIES SOMETIMES A ROADBLOCK? BECAUSE IF A $65 RABIES SHOT FOR SOMEONE WHO'S ON A FIXED INCOME IS VERY IT CAN BE VERY, YOU KNOW, TERRIBLE, AND THEN NOW EVEN THOUGH THE COST OF A LICENSING IS 50% OFF FOR A PERSON OVER 65 YEARS OLD.

SO FOR TEN BUCKS OUT THE DOOR, YOU CAN DO THAT.

SO THAT WAS OUR INITIAL AND ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A CONTINUED IDEA FOR THE DOG PARK.

NOW THE CITY DOES NOT DO LICENSING STRAIGHT UP.

YOU HAVE TO GO ONLINE TO A COMPANY IN TEXAS. YES.

OKAY. SO YOU CAN'T EVEN IF YOU WALK IN BECAUSE I WALKED IN ONE TIME AND I WANT TO PAY FOR MY DOG LICENSE.

SORRY. YOU HAVE TO CALL ONLINE. SO WHAT IF I'M 100 YEARS OLD AND I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER? WELL WE'LL FEDEX IT FOR YOU. FINE. HERE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DID CONTACT THAT COMPANY IN TEXAS,

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THE DOG LICENSE SAID, HEY, WE'LL PAY FOR IT. THEY NEVER CALLED US BACK.

THEY DON'T RETURN CALLS. OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, LIFE GOES ON.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WILL MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE NEED TO DO IT AGAIN.

MAYBE GET SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNCIL INVOLVED AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, THE DOG PARK WILL PAY FOR THE FIRST 25 PEOPLE TO GET LICENSING, AND THERE YOU GO. NOT ONLY ARE YOU GOING TO GET A FREE CHIP, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FREE LICENSE, AND NOW WE HAVE A DOG WHO IS LEGAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS DOG BITES. OKAY.

THERE CAN BE VERY DEVASTATING. I'VE BEEN BIT THOUSANDS OF TIMES AND IT IS NOT FUN BY FAR.

I NEED TO PAUSE YOU. I THINK WE'VE MOVED FROM.

RIGHT. SO I THINK IF I MAY COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL, FOR THE TRANSCRIPTION, MAKE A MOTION TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL AND FOR NOT [INAUDIBLE] MOTION FOR THE COMMISSION, RIGHT, FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, AMENDING THE ORDINANCE, AND FOR COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS TO SEND US THE COVER LETTER.

OF THE ADVISORY MEMO THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND TO THE COUNCIL FOR US TO AGREE ON THAT LANGUAGE AND VOTE ON IT IN OUR MAY MEETING.

JUST MAYBE THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

THE INFORMATION THAT I SENT, THERE IS NO COVER LETTER. IT DOES GIVE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

IT DOES GIVE A PAPER OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

IT DOES GIVE BRIEF DISCUSSION, ACTUALLY OUTLINES FROM THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB AND THREE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, ALONG WITH FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS OF HOW INVASIVE IT IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HOPEFULLY ARE ADDRESSED BY THAT.

IN FACT, THERE'S ONE ARTICLE IN THERE THAT I BELIEVE FROM DOGSTER THAT GIVES FIVE PROS AND CONS BECAUSE THERE IS A DOWNSIDE.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, JUST BEING AWARE LIKE CHIP MIGRATION FROM THE TOP TO THE SIDE, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S FINE. WE STILL HAVE TO SAY, DEAR COUNCIL, I GET IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT'S NOT LIKE A LONG LIKE KYLE HAS A TEMPLATE.

NO T HAT'S FINE. HE CAN. I'M SORRY, AND THEN IF ANYBODY HAS A CONCERN OR A BETTER IDEA, I'M OPEN TO THAT.

AWESOME. DOES THE MOTION NEED A SECOND, OR DO YOU WANT TO AMEND? NO FURTHER REVIEW. RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. I'LL SECOND.

MOTION AND SECOND. ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. AYE. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING ON. OH WE'RE GOING TO GET IT AS A BLUE FOLDER ITEM SO WE CAN REVIEW IT.

COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. AYE. WAIT DO I HAVE TO SAY MYSELF. COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL. AYE. I THINK I FORGOT MYSELF. I'VE OUT NUMBERED ANYONE.

ANY FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY ONLINE? NEGATIVE. OKAY.

SORRY. ACTUALLY, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK ONE. YEAH.

ARE YOU RECEIVING A DOCUMENT OR ANYTHING THAT I'M ATTACHED, OR ARE YOU PROVIDING THAT LATER? THAT WAS ALREADY PROVIDED. IT'S GOING TO BE A BLUE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A BLUE FOLDER, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO ATTACH IT TO THIS ONE. IF YOU JUST SEND US A NOTE AND SAY IT'S A COVER LETTER.

YES. OKAY, BUT I DO BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COVER LETTER TO SEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE ADVISORY MEMO FROM.

YEAH, I WRITE A COVER LETTER. YEAH. YOU GUYS WILL VOTE ON THE ON THE LETTER IN THE NEXT MEETING, CORRECT? YEAH. CORRECT. YOU GUYS VOTE AND THEN I'LL SEND IT OFF AFTER THE MAY MEETING.

THAT SOUNDS GREAT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, JUST ONE OTHER THAT THIS WAS POSTED ON NEXT DOOR, SO THAT IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF COMMUNITY INPUT THAT THEY WERE INVITED, OKAY AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO ACTUALLY FOR THE LAST MEETING.

OKAY. SO IT WAS POSTED ON THAT. SO IF ANYBODY'S--NANCY IS WATCHING.

SORRY? NANCY IS WATCHING. OKAY. THERE'S ONE PERSON.

THANKS, AND THERE'S OTHERS. THEY WATCH IT AFTER; THEY SEND ME EMAILS.

THANK YOU. THEY TELL ME THEY LIKED MY HAIR. THEY DIDN'T LIKE MY HAIR.

THEY DON'T LIKE MY TONE. THEY LIKE MY TONE. THEY DO WATCH.

ANYWAY, OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM J .6 DISCUSSION ON ADVISORY ACTION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING.

YES, REGARDING DIRECTING CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO RETURN TO REGULAR PARTICIPATION IN PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETINGS.

WOW, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON. I READ THAT WHOLE THING.

I'M EXCITED. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT DISCUSSION WAS KIND OF FROM ALL OF US, BUT IN LARGE PART FROM COMMISSIONER SKIBA,

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OKAY. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. I'LL PASS THIS TIME.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE HERE BECAUSE IT SAYS DISCUSSION ON ADVISORY ACTION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ELECTED, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DIRECT THEM TO DO ANYTHING.

CITY COUNCIL CAN. SO CITY COUNCIL CAN DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DO SOMETHING? YES THEY CAN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS US ADVISING THEM, MAKING THE REQUEST THAT THEY DIRECT THEM TO THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THEY THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE. WELL, ANYWAY, SO I THINK THEY SHOULD BE HERE.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THEIR JOB. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.

ALL RIGHT. ALL GOOD. COMMISSIONER BLAIR. DITTO.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER GAUL. CITY ATTORNEY FORD, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR VICTORY.

COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. YEAH. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY WERE HERE.

ESPECIALLY. THEY COULD HAVE WEIGHED IN ON OUR FORMS, ON THE CHANGING OF AN ORDINANCE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, ATTORNEY? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. YEAH. I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL . IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL , AND SO THEY COMMITTED TO RETURNING.

WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL THEY COMMITTED TO RETURNING TO US IN APRIL.

NO, I'M SORRY, IN MARCH. OF THIS YEAR. OF THIS YEAR.

OH, SO THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD COME. THEY DID SAY THEY WOULD COME. YES, AND THEY MADE THAT COMMITMENT.

ARE WE 25, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, KIND OF MARCH OF 2024, AFTER JUST SAYING WE'RE NO LONGER COMING BACK DECEMBER 2023. SO WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THEM NOT COMING IN APRIL? THEY DIDN'T SAY. THEY DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T SAY. THEY NEVER CIRCLED BACK TO SAY, OH, WE NEED MORE TIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO AND OUR SORT OF FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR THOSE TYPE OF COMMITMENTS.

SO FIRE DEPARTMENT I WANT TO SAY I'LL JUST SAY JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.

THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, WE CAN'T, BUT WE'LL COME BACK IN, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS COME BACK.

THEY'VE ALWAYS HELPED AT THEIR WORD, AND SO FOR US IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT AND WE DON'T.

OH. SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY. SO IT'S NOT SORT OF OUR POWER, BUT IT IS AT CITY COUNCIL 'S DIRECTION, AND IF YOU WATCH ANY OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS PRESENT, THEY'LL SAY, WE NEED DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING.

SO THAT'S SO THEY DO. CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION.

SO COUNSEL. LEGAL COUNSEL. CORRECT. AS OPPOSED TO COUNCIL.

[LAUGHTER] YEAH. C I L VERSUS S C I S YES. CORRECT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WRITING, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT LIKE THE LETTER IS GOING TO BE SUCH THAT IT'S HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION AND HERE'S THE REASONING BEHIND IT. UNDERSTOOD, AND THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST SAY IS WE OWE THE PUBLIC AN EXPLANATION.

WE ARE A PUBLIC BODY, AND THEY'RE JUST NOT HERE, AND SO WHY ARE THEY NOT HERE? RIGHT? YOUR QUESTION, IT'S LIKE WHY DON'T THEY.

THEY SAID THEY'RE BUSY. THEY JUST DON'T, AND SO AT THE VERY LEAST, I FEEL LIKE EVEN IF IT'S A LETTER WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE CITY WHO IS EXPECTING TO HEAR FROM THE THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES OR PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITIES.

YEAH RIGHT. CITY ATTORNEY, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS, I WOULD PROPOSE MAYBE A DIFFERENT TACTICAL APPROACH TO THIS.

I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THEY OPTED NOT TO RETURN, I BELIEVE THAT THE INFORMATION RECEIVED FROM OFFICER LOFSTROM WAS THAT THEY WERE TOO BUSY, AND THEY VERY WELL MAY WELL BE. I WOULD DO THAT.

I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY ALSO IS THIS IS THAT RESPONSE WAS, I WOULD SAY ULTIMATELY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MIKE WEBB, NOT NECESSARILY ANYBODY ELSE WITHIN HIS OFFICE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW CITY ATTORNEY, IT IS NOW INCUMBENT ON THE NEW CITY ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE YAY OR NAY OR THE ASSIGNMENT OF ANOTHER PERSON TO COME HERE.

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THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I'M SORRY. NO NO NO NO NO, NOT THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I'M NOT SAYING NOT THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL . I THINK AN INFORMAL REQUEST TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU BACK.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN ASSIGN SOMEONE HERE? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BETTER APPROACH IN AT LEAST EXTENDING AN OLIVE BRANCH, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, HEY, CITY COUNCIL , WE NEED YOU TO DIRECT HER TO SHOW UP BECAUSE SHE'LL SAY, WELL, IF YOU ASK ME HOW TO SHOW, I HEAR YOU. PROTOCOL SAYS THIS. IT'S NOT. IF YOU NOTICE VERMER K USED TO SAY, AND REFERRALS TO STOP.

WE DON'T GET TO DO REFERRALS TO STAFF ANYMORE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR. SO WHO INVITES LIKE LILA OMURA.

CITY MANAGER. LIKE SO WE SEND IT TO OUR LIAISON, AND THEN SO I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS IS SAYING IS COULD WE JUST DO THAT AGAIN UNDERSTANDING. RIGHT. MARCH WAS THE ELECTION.

THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON. RIGHT? THERE'S BEEN A LOT GOING ON.

SO CAN WE TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST AGGRESSION, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM TO, TO START WITH.

THIS IS WHY WE VOTE. THAT'S WHY WE VOTE. I THINK THAT IT WOULD AT LEAST I EXTEND AN OLIVE BRANCH TO THAT WAY, AND I KNOW THEY WOULD BE PROBABLY BE SURPRISED THAT I AM PUTTING THIS AS OPPOSED TO WHEREAS CITY COUNCIL [LAUGHTER] IS DIRECTING THEM OR HOW WE'RE DOING THAT WAY. BECAUSE IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD SAY, WELL, IF YOU JUST ASKED ME, I'D HAVE SHOWED UP, AND THEN NOW WE END UP LOOKING AS THOUGH WE'RE JUST MAKING EVERY ATTEMPT FOR AN INQUISITION. OKAY, SO THE THING AGAIN IS, IS THAT I THINK IS THIS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THEY'RE DOING OKAY.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FEEL FREE TO MAKE A MOTION AND I.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? I JUST WANT WE CAN STILL DISCUSS A MOTION.

I WOULD THEN MAKE A MOTION THAT. WELL, ACTUALLY, NO, IT WOULD COME UNDER.

UNDER STAFF. NO, NO. GO HERE. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD GO HERE.

DISCUSSION IS THAT WE MAKE AN EXTENDED INVITATION TO THE NEWLY ELECTED CITY ATTORNEY REQUESTING THAT SHE APPOINT SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS AND TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH UPDATED IN PERSON PERTINENT INFORMATION CONCERNING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I HAVE.

JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE ORIGINAL FORMAT THAT HAD WAS UPDATES FROM THE CITY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.

RIGHT. SO IT WAS TYPICALLY RELATED TO LIKE RECENT FILINGS, AND YES, EVENTUALLY KIND OF MELDED AND.

MORPHED INTO HOMELESS COURT AS WELL. WHO IS THE PROSECUTOR NOW? MELANIE CHAVIRA. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S THEY'RE ALL PROSECUTORS IN THEORY, BUT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL TITLE OF THE ORIGINAL ITEM. IT WAS MORE CRIME FOCUSED AT FIRST, AND THEN SORT OF TRANSITIONED INTO THE HOMELESS COURT IN THE HISTORY THAT I'M AWARE OF.

TRANSITION TO INCLUDE HOMELESS COURT, I SHOULD SAY.

I LIKE IT. OKAY, AND I WOULD SAY IN DEFENSE OF THAT, IT DIDN'T MORPH INTO IT.

IT WAS PART OF WHAT SHE WAS THEN GIVING US AN UPDATE ON, AND THEN WE QUESTIONED IT.

SO IT WASN'T THAT SUDDENLY THIS WAS. JUST THE TITLE.

NO, NO, NO. THE TITLE IS FINE. IT'S JUST THAT THE INTERACTION WAS PROBABLY PRECIPITATED.

THAT WAS NOT OUT OF LEFT FIELD. IT WAS PART OF WHAT SHE PRESENTED, AND THEREFORE, THEREFORE IT WAS MORE A PART OF WHAT WHAT THE PRESENTATION WAS.

COOL. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

AYE. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. AYE. COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

AYE. COMMISSIONER GAUL. I'LL ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. YOU HAD SAID THEY MADE A COMMITMENT TO ATTEND IN MARCH.

CORRECT. BUT WAS THAT IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER THAT WE SENT ALREADY? HOW WAS THAT MADE. I KNOW I MADE AN INFORMAL REQUEST.

THEY ALSO SAID AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO THIS WOULD BE A FORMAL REQUEST FROM US.

FORMAL INVITATION. FORMAL INVITATION. INVITATION, YES. OKAY.

AYE. FROM US THROUGH KYLE. YEAH, FROM US, THROUGH KYLE.

BECAUSE KYLE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY AS TO THE REASON WHY THEY COULD NOT OR WOULD NOT ATTEND.

SURE. SO HOPEFULLY THEN IF IT DOES, IF THERE'S IF IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION, THEN MAYBE WE CAN GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE.

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SURE, AND YOUR VOTE IS YOUR VOTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL .

AYE. THAT PESKY LITTLE THING, AND THERE WE HAVE IT.

MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. YOU'RE WELCOME.

VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE. WE WERE 11 MINUTES PAST MY BEDTIME.

ALL RIGHT. J.7. DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF 2025-26.

CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLAN. A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS.

CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. CITY MANAGER HAS ASKED US TO TAKE A GANDER AT WHAT THEY HAVE LINED UP FOR 2025 2026 AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M EXCITED TO REMIND EVERYONE UNDER THE SOUND OF MY VOICE.

CITY MANAGER CAME HERE FIRST TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FOR 25-26.

HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED IN 24-25, AND SO THIS IS SORT OF A CONTINUATION OF THAT.

HERE'S WHAT WE'VE MORE SOLIDIFIED VERSUS HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING, AND THEY'RE STILL NOT, AND HERE IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK PRIMARILY AT THE OBJECTIVES.

THIS ISN'T THE COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF EVERYTHING WE'RE WORKING ON. BECAUSE YOU'LL HEAR HIM MAKE DIFFERENT SPEECHES.

I WON'T SAY SPEECHES BECAUSE HE GENUINELY IS TALKING, BUT HE MAKES DIFFERENT STATEMENTS AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE CIP, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS BEING OVER 100 PROJECT.

SO THIS IS MORE OF THAT HIGH LEVEL. THIS IS WHAT THOSE PROJECTS.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A DRILL DOWN BUT HE'S ASKING US TO TAKE A LOOK ONE AT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE DEEMED PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS IN GOAL.

GOAL SIX. NO. GO FIVE, AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHERS THAT WE WANT TO SORT OF WEIGH IN ON PRESENT A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN SEND TO OFFICER LOFSTROM AND HE CAN FORWARD IT ON AND THEN POTENTIALLY CITY MANAGER WILL SWING BACK THROUGH AND SAY, HEY, GOT YOUR FEEDBACK, AND HERE'S HOW WE USED IT, OR HERE'S HOW WE DIDN'T.

OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. WE'LL START WITH CAN I MAKE AN ADDITION TO THAT? SO THE CITY MANAGER REQUEST WAS ITEMS ISSUES THAT YOU'D LIKE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER FOR THE NEXT STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION, AND TO ADVISE THAT THE NEXT STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 29TH, AND IF YOU ELECT TO PROVIDE INPUT THERE IS A DUE DATE OF THE 24TH, WHICH IS THURSDAY, SO YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO CONCISE IT ALL INTO SOMETHING THAT I CAN SURMISE AND PROVIDE TO THEM BY THE DUE DATE.

SO WE CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS. I'M AN PERSON, BUT I'M GOING TO INJECT AN OR.

WE CAN TAKE THIS OURSELVES, HAVE OUR THOUGHTS, SEND THEM TO KYLE, OR LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM OUT LOUD AND CONSOLIDATE AND SEND THEM. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A ESCONTRIAS WANTED, YOU KNOW, DOG PARK. I'M NOT GOING TO DISAGREE. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S A YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY ONE PERSON IS REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE IT'S WHAT WE ARE THINKING AND I THINK IT WOULD ALL BE HELPFUL.

SO THAT'S MY $0.02 WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE DO THIS.

WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO NEED A MOMENT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GAUL.

ANY, AND THIS IS PROBABLY OFF TOPIC. THAT'S OKAY.

ANY OLYMPIC GAMES ARE BEING CONDUCTED IN THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH.

ARE WE PURSUING ANY FOR CLOSURE AND. NO COMMISSION? I CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT. MAYOR LIGHT PRESENTED AT THE DISTRICT FIVE COMMUNITY MEETING.

IT WAS A COMBINATION OF DISTRICT THREE AND FIVE.

COMMUNITY MEETING THIS PAST THURSDAY. MAYBE IT WAS WEDNESDAY, AND THAT QUESTION CAME UP AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.

THERE ARE NO EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO AND OR GET SORT OF IN LINE FOR IS TO DO WATCH PARTIES HERE IN THE CITY, AND SO THERE THEY, THERE IS A A PACKAGE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER ADJECTIVE.

HE SAID THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WHERE THEY CAN'T, IT'S A TOOL KIT.

SO THEY SAY, OKAY, YOU NEED THIS MUCH SPACE, YOU NEED THIS MUCH, THIS MUCH, AND HERE'S THE COLLATERAL THAT WILL GIVE YOU.

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FOR VOLLEYBALL AND THINGS. THE FIRES IN MALIBU, YOU'D THINK THERE'D BE A COUPLE OF OPENINGS THAT WE'D HAVE VERSUS, SAY, LONG BEACH YOU KNOW. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MEETS THE TOOLKIT.

SO SO YOU ARE CORRECT. YEAH. WE ACTUALLY WE LEGITIMATELY HAVE A BEACH.

YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERYBODY AT THE PORTOFINO. NO.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, BUT IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THIS HAS ROOM FOR CROWDS AND THEN THIS RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. YEAH. WE DON'T WE'RE TOO SKINNY FOR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S THE ANSWER HE GAVE, AND HE SAID IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN EMAIL HIM.

SO. OKAY. [LAUGHTER] SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY.

SURE. COMMISSIONER BLAIR. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. NO. NOTHING. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. NO. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO NEED A MINUTE, COMMISSIONER ONE OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AS A COMMISSION WILL SEND OUR THOUGHTS TO KYLE.

WE WILL BE CONCISE. NO DISSERTATIONS, NO BOOKS, AND HAVE KYLE DO TWO THINGS.

ONE, RESUBMIT THEM TO ALL OR JUST SEND THEM TO US AS A BCC SO WE CAN AT LEAST SEE WHAT THEY WERE, AND TWO, SUBMIT THEM TO CITY MANAGER BY THE DEADLINE OF? CAN YOU GET IT TO ME BY E ND OF DAY WEDNESDAY THE 23RD.

WE WILL. YES. THAT IS YES, IF YOU COULD, AND THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.

DEADLINE. CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? YES. IS THAT, AND IT'S ONLY WITH REGARD TO ITEMS UNDER GOAL FIVE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS WHERE WE THAT'S OUR PRIMARY, BUT IT'S OPEN FOR THE WHOLE THING.

OKAY. MOTION NEEDS A SECOND. SECOND.

ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. AYE.

COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. AYE. COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

AYE. COMMISSIONER GAUL. AYE. COMMISSIONER WODNICKI.

AYE. JUST REMEMBER TO EMAIL ME. COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL.

OH, SORRY. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. EMAIL YOU DIRECTLY AN BCC.

NO, NO. BCC THAT'S THE ONLY.

EXACTLY. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WAY WE'LL ALL SEE IT.

I'LL SEND EVERYONE'S OUT TO EVERYONE. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE.

[K. COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS]

COMMISSIONER. WE'RE AT ITEM K. OH. I'M SORRY.

J.7. AUDIENCE MEMBERS. OH. ANYONE ONLINE? NO ZOOM, AND NO ECOMMENTS. PERFECT. ITEM K OFFICER LOFSTROM PROVIDES US A LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE'VE AGREED TO WHEN WE'VE AGREED TO HAVE THEM SCHEDULED. IF WE CAN HAVE FOLKS COME THROUGH FOLKS, GUESTS COME THROUGH LIKE WE HAD MR. MOORE TODAY. SO IF THERE ARE ANY ITEMS THAT YOU THINK THAT WE AGREE TO OR TALKED ABOUT SHOULD BE ON HERE AND SHOULD HAVE A DATE FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT UP.

IF THERE ARE ANY AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE EITHER DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND YOU WANT TO HAVE AS A PART OF THE AGENDA, MAKE A MOTION, WE'LL VOTE ON IT. ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET STARTED.

HAVE WE GO AHEAD? I INCLUDED NOTES TOO, SINCE THIS WELL THE LIST IS FAIRLY DECENT, SO THERE WERE SOME VOTES AT THE LAST MEETING TO PRIORITIZE CERTAIN ONES AT CERTAIN TIMES, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

SO I ADDED NOTES FOR THAT. PERFECT. JUST FOR CONSIDERATION.

YEP. SO MY QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE A COMMITMENT DATE FROM OUR CHIEF? OH NO, I WILL INQUIRE. OKAY. WITH THAT THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

YEAH. AGAIN, I WOULD GO BACK TO THE IDEA OF THE CENSORSHIP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS TO THE

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AND MY CONCERN IS THAT JUST SENDING THEM TO US DOES NOT ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE.

IT DOES NOT PUSH IT TO LIGHT, AND IN FACT, I GUESS THAT POSSIBLY THAT , IN MY OPINION, IS THAT CONCERNS OF THAT WE'RE ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS OR HOWEVER. FROM A LETTER? OR THAT SOMEBODY ELSE SOMEONE'S ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS IF THE LETTER SHOWS UP ASKING A QUESTION OF SOMETHING, WHAT'S GOING ON, OR BRING SOMETHING TO LIGHT THAT SOMEHOW IT'S NOT BRINGING OUT IN THE PUBLIC.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLAIR. I THINK I WANT TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I HEARD YOU SAY OFFICER LOFSTROM, THAT THAT LETTER WAS RECEIVED AFTER THE MEETING.

CORRECT. YEAH, AND SO WAS THE EXPECTATION THEN THAT WE WOULD READ IT DURING THIS MEETING FOR AN ITEM THAT WAS ON THE LAST MEETING.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? OKAY, AND I REALIZE YOU JUST LET HER KIND OF INTERRUPT ME, BUT THAT'LL BE OKAY.

BUT SHE MENTIONED HER NAME THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

THAT'S FINE. IRRELEVANT WHETHER SHE MENTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NUMBER ONE, THE CHAIR DID NOT RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS, AND NUMBER TWO, ONE OF THE ITEMS. OF COURSE NOT. JUST FOR CLARITY.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR IS HER NAME. NOT YOU. COMMISSIONER BLAIR IS HER NAME, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED, I'M FOR THE PERSON WHO'S DOING OUR TRANSCRIPTION.

THE REASON WHY IT TYPICALLY TAKES SO LONG IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO SPOKE.

SO IF YOU NOTICE, BEFORE COMMISSIONER BLAIR SPOKE, SHE SAID THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

SO, NO, I DIDN'T NEED TO RECOGNIZE HER BECAUSE SHE MADE IT CLEAR WHO SHE WAS.

IF YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAUSE.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. SO I'M STILL SPEAKING.

FOR THE PURPOSES OF DECORUM, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE THEM SPEAK.

GO AHEAD. IF YOU WANT TO FORMULATE A MOTION FOR US TO VOTE ON, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT THAT RIGHT THERE, WE'RE NOT DOING. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM. YEAH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

YEAH. WE SPOKE ABOUT OTHER ITEMS TO PUT ON FUTURE MEETINGS BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH TO DO IN ONE SESSION, AND SO FOR THE FUTURE, AND ONE OF THEM WAS THE JUVENILE DELINQUENCY IN REDONDO BEACH.

YES. OKAY, AND I THINK THAT'S SET UP FOR, LIKE, FOR THE FUTURE, BUT I SPOKE WITH COMMISSIONER SKIBA, AND SHE ENCOURAGED ME TO PREPARE SOMETHING. ANYWAY, SO I HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT THAT I PREPARED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SUBMIT THIS OR WHAT, OR HOLD ON TO IT.

RIGHT. TO ME. RECOMMEND.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOTED ON THERE THAT YOU YOU VOTED TO MOVE IT UP TO MAY.

YES. CORRECT. YES. OR THE COMMISSION VOTED, I SHOULD SAY.

WE DID. WE VOTED FOR IT TO BE IN MAY. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

YEAH. SO IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THAT TO HIM, HE CAN SEND IT TO US.

DO WE NEED TO DO A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. THANK YOU. I DON'T WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING IT UNDER A DISCUSSION ITEM.

GOT IT? GOT IT? YES. GIVE IT TO HIM. JUST HAND IT TO ME AFTER THE MEETING, OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY. ANY. NO. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLAIR. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE.

I DID NOT MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. IF THAT WAS THE FEELING.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SECOND OF ALL I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BRING UP STREET RACING.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK SUMMER'S COMING, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY.

SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT AGENDIZED IF POSSIBLE, IN MAY.

COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL. ONE OF THE PIECE OF FEEDBACK WAS, ONCE WE GET A COMMITMENT FROM CHIEF HOFFMAN, WE COULD BRING THAT UP THAT NIGHT AS WELL. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT BY ITSELF, THAT'S.

OH, SORRY. JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT VOTED FOR A SPECIFIC MEETING DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T APPEAR IN THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY. PERFECT, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, BUT IF YOU WANT IT TO BE A STANDALONE, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND WE CAN VOTE ON IT.

NO. IT'S OKAY. YEAH, AS LONG AS WE CAN LUMP IT.

IT'S KIND OF. THEY'RE ALL KIND OF UNDER, LIKE A SOMEWHAT OF AN ASAP TYPE VIBE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. NOPE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GAUL.

WELL. HELLO, COMMISSIONER, CHAIR. LILI TRUJILLO FROM SRK STREET RACING KILLS, AND GIVEN WHAT WE HAD IN THE GALLERIA AND THE EXCELLENT TACTICS WE HAD FROM THE REDONDO BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT, BASED ON THE TIPS THEY GOT FROM THE PUBLIC TO HEAD THAT STUFF OFF.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. IT'S A GOOD REPORTING SYSTEM.

I WON'T BE HERE LIKELY NEXT MONTH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MS. TRUJILLO'S CAPACITY OR SCHEDULE IS, BUT IF THERE'S JUNE, JULY AVAILABILITY.

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THAT'D BE GREAT. OTHERWISE, I'LL CALL IN AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, LIKE NANCY.

COMMISSIONER SKIBA. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS LET'S SEE, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK ALL THESE ARE REALLY GOOD, AND I'LL STICK WITH THE STREET RACING ONE FOR NOW, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GET AN UPDATE ABOUT MOONSTONE.

YEAH. SECOND. MOTION ABOUT WHAT? PROJECT MOONSTONE.

OH. THE HOTEL? YEAH, FOR PERMANENT HOUSING. ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION OR. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL VOTE.

YES, BUT BY JULY. BY JULY? YES. OKAY. SECOND.

FROM MOONSTONE. MOONSTONE STAFF THERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONTACT? I DO, I DO, I CAN SEND TO YOU. YEAH. SWEET. YES.

T HE OWNER EMAILS ME ALL THE TIME. OWNER AND HIS PROJECT AND THE PROJECT MANAGER.

SO. MOTION. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GAUL.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT IN YOUR MOTION THAT YOU WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHO YOU WANT.

IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE.

SURE. MY CONCERN IS THAT SOMEBODY SHOWS UP. YOU ASK A QUESTION AND SUDDENLY IT'S AN INQUISITION.

OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE. ALL RIGHT.

WE GET IT. THANK YOU. NO, I'M STILL. A MOTION.

I'M STILL. COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. I STILL HAVE.

I'M PAUSING YOU RIGHT NOW. OH. YOU'RE PAUSING ME? YES, I AM. WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU CAN PAUSE ME? DECORUM. I DON'T CARE WHAT'S. IT'S UNDER THE SCOPE OF THE CHAIR, AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS FALLING OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE RULES SAY.

NO IT DOESN'T. AND SO IT DOES. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ OUR HANDBOOK.

I HAVE. PAGES 17, 35 AND 42. IT ALSO SAYS, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.

I'M QUOTING DIRECTLY. I'M GIVING YOU DIRECTION.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, IF YOU WANT TO YELL AND GO OVER.

17, 35, AND 42 I'M INVOKING THOSE THREE PAGES.

THE WHOLE PAGE. YES. I LITERALLY JUST SAID I'M INVOKING THOSE PAGES.

I DIDN'T SAY A PARAGRAPH.

I SAID 17, 35 AND 42.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MOTION WAS MADE BY WODNICKI.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GAUL. ROLL CALL VOTE.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS. AYE. COMMISSIONER KLAINBAUM.

AYE. [INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER BLAIR. SORRY. AYE.

YOU KNOW WHAT? EVERY TIME I SAY YOUR NAME, I HUM THE FACTS OF LIFE.

I HAVE TO GET PAST THAT AND THEN SAY IT. I'M SORRY.

COMMISSIONER GAUL. AYE. AND COMMISSIONER WODNICKI.

AYE. COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL. AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

ANY OTHER MOTIONS FOR AGENDA ITEMS? CAN I HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION, SIR.

YES. I HAVE ONE MORE. DO YOU HAVE A. YOU DIDN'T SET A TIMELINE ON THAT? SHE SAID BY JULY. JULY SORRY. SECOND. IT WAS ON THERE AND SHOULD I WANT TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC AT THE NEXT MEETING.

I CAN DO SO AT THAT TIME. YES YOU CAN. YES. AT THIS MOMENT, I JUST WANT AN UPDATE.

BECAUSE AND HERE'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I CAN SEND YOU THEIR PREVIOUS POWERPOINT AND YOU CAN SEE IF THE DATA POINTS ON THERE ARE RIGHT, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE OWNER OF PROJECT OF THE MOONSTONE FACILITY AND THEIR PROJECT MANAGER.

ME AND COMMISSIONER SKIBA. YES. OKAY. WE'LL DO.

SINCE THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US. I THINK I CAN SEND THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE HAS IT, AND THEN YOU GOT IT.

I GOT MOONSTONE. YOU GOT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER WODNICKI. CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE MAKING A MOTION? YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS COMMISSIONER ITEMS. CAN I ASK OFFICER LOFSTROM THE QUESTION? OH, YEAH. NO. [LAUGHTER] DO YOU HAVE THOSE CHARTS THAT MAP TRENDS? IS THERE ANYWHERE WHERE IT GOES DEEPER INTO THAT? THEY GENERALLY UPDATE IT. SO AS TIME GOES ON, THEY UPDATE IT, UPDATE IT TO BE MORE CURRENT, AND THEN ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. YEAH.

SO LIKE AND THEN THE BOTTOM ONE SHOWS MORE OF LIKE A TIME SPAN.

CORRECT. IT'S LIKE SIX MONTHS, AND AGAIN IT'S TYPICALLY FOCUSED ON PART ONE CRIME.

THAT'S WHAT THE FBI LOOKS AT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THERE'S ADDITIONAL DATA LIKE BELOW THAT FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES AND ANYTHING LIKE LESSER THAN JUST BE MORE SPECIFIC ON LIKE THE PARTICULAR ISSUE,

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MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION, AND I CAN USUALLY GET THAT IN THE NEXT LAW ENFORCEMENT UPDATE.

CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO INCLUDE THESE GRAPHS? YOU CAN MAKE WHATEVER MOTION YOU WANT.

TO INCLUDE THESE GRAPHS. IT'S THE VOTE THAT YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. [LAUGHTER] AS PART OF THE CRIME RECAP, JUST MONTHLY SO WE CAN SEE THAT TREND RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO ON OUR YOU KNOW, THAT WAY IT'S THERE AS PART OF A WHOLE.

WHAT'S THE MOTION. TO INCLUDE THESE CRIME MAPPING GRAPHS AS PART OF THE CRIME RECAP REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED? SECOND. DISCUSS THIS QUESTION. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

NOT IN PLACE OF NOT IN PLACE. IN ADDITION. OKAY.

DO WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC TO INCLUDE BECAUSE I ONLY I DON'T KNOW IF I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME THING THAT YOU ARE.

YES. BECAUSE THIS ONLY SEEMS TO APPEAR LIKE IT'S ONLY BURGLARY, ROBBERY, MOTOR VEHICLES AND VEHICLE THEFT.

THAT'S WHAT'S IN OUR IN OUR RECAP. YES, COMMISSIONER CARMICHAEL JUST JUMPING IN REAL QUICK.

OFFICER, CAN YOU GIVE, LIKE, A BRIEF? YOU'RE SAYING PART ONE.

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? COMMUNITY MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

IS IT JUST BURGLARY? IS IT LIKE. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY PART ONE? THERE'S A PART TWO. I'M SORRY. I MEAN, JUST THE DEFINITION OF UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING PROGRAM DIVIDES OFFENSES INTO TWO GROUPS.

PART ONE AND PART TWO CRIMES IN ITS SUMMARY REPORTING SYSTEM.

PART ONE OFFENSES ARE THEY LIST THEM. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DEFINITION.

NO NO NO THAT'S GOOD. PART ONE OFFENSES ARE CRIMINAL HOMICIDE, RAPE, ROBBERY, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, BURGLARY, LARCENY, MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT, ARSON, HUMAN TRAFFICKING COMMERCIAL SEX ACTS, AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING, INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IF THE CRIME MAPS ARE ONLY LIMITED TO FOUR AT THE MOMENT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE OTHER CRIMES? NOT NECESSARILY. WE TYPICALLY, I WOULD SAY MAYBE JUST EXERCISE SOME DISCRETION IN WHAT'S READILY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE IS SOME SENSITIVITY TYPE THINGS TO IT. SO LIKE IF YOU WERE TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE HAD LIKE THREE RAPES, PEOPLE MAYBE WOULD BE LIKE, NOT THAT IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE OR WILLING TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC.

JUST HAVING IT ON DISPLAY THAT WE'VE HAD LIKE THREE RAPES THIS YEAR IS LIKE, AND THEN EVERYONE'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, THERE'S BEEN THREE RAPES. WHERE TYPICALLY, LIKE, A RAPE WOULD BE COMMITTED BY LIKE A, LIKE A KNOWN SUSPECT OR CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE AN OUT, SUPER OUTSTANDING, TERRIFYING PUBLIC DANGER.

WELL, YOU SAID THAT IT WAS READILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

WHERE WOULD WE FIND THOSE NUMBERS? WITHOUT REQUESTING THEM, WHERE ARE THEY ACCESSIBLE? SO EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT OUT IS, IS ON THIS PORTION OF THE WEBSITE, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE LIKE A MORE IN DEPTH REQUEST, LIKE A PUBLIC RECORDS ACT OR OR LIKE VIA A LIAISON, LIKE A COMMUNITY BASED OFFICER IN NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH MEETING, THINGS LIKE THAT. YES. THIS IS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT MANHATTAN BEACH IS DOING, WHICH IS CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS OR PROPERTY CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, AND THEN THEY LIST THEM DOWN BELOW YOU CAN SEE 23, 24 AND A CHANGE AND A DIFFERENCE AS WELL.

IT'S READILY AVAILABLE ON THEIR WEBSITE. LIKE A YEAR OVER YEAR.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF MORE. YOU WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT? OH, YEAH. SO CAN I AMEND IT TO SAY THAT WE WOULD AMEND THE AMENDMENT? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. FRIENDLY IF YOU WANT. FRIENDLY.

COMMISSIONER ESCONTRIAS IS MORE FRIENDLY. RIGHT.

WE GET NOT THE OLIVE BRANCH HERE. SO LET'S SAY, WAS IT AMENDED TO SIMILAR TO WHAT MANHATTAN BEACH IS OFFERING? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT VERY CLEAR OR TO INCLUDE.

YOU CAN YOU CAN COMMIT TO EMAILING HIM WITH GREEN GRAPHS.

OKAY. SO DO YOU WANT TO SAY YOURS AGAIN? MINE WAS TO INCLUDE CRIME MAPPING GRAPHS THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS READILY AVAILABLE.

SIMILAR TO WHERE WE CAN THE GRAPHS THAT MANHATTAN BEACH HAS, AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR WILL SEND THOSE EXAMPLES TO OFFICER LOFSTROM FOR VISUAL COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR TEAM.

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SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. CAN I MAKE A MOTION? WE'RE WAITING FOR COMMISSIONER WODNICKI TO EXHAUST HER LIST.

SORRY. NO NO IT'S FINE. I'M JUST THINKING MY INFORMATION ON.

CAN I MAKE A MOTION. SMOKE SHOP ENFORCEMENT PRIOR TO OUR MEETING AND OUR DISCUSSION, BUT THAT COULD BE DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.

OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I'LL LET YOU DO HERE. I'M GOOD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL YOUR MOTIONS WERE VERY WELL CONCEIVED AND MUCH APPRECIATED.

MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? WE HAVE A FULL.

YOU HAVE TO SAY THE WHOLE THING. OH, FOR THE REDONDO BEACH PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

NO NO NO, NO. YOU HAVE TO. IT'S. OH I UNDERSTAND.

YEAH. YES, YES, I DID NOTICE THAT. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND ADJOURN IN HONOR OF MILITARY CHILDREN WELL-BEING MONTH AND MILITARY CHILD SPIRIT WEEK, WHICH IS THE WEEK OF APRIL 15TH AND 19TH. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOTION HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND SECONDED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

YOU SAY THE TIME. YES. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY WE OFFICIALLY ADJOURN THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, APRIL 21, 2025, 9:37 P.M..

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.