May 14, 2025 Public Amenities Commission

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MAY 14TH, 2025. THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION MEETING.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

HERE. COMMISSIONER MCCAULEY. HERE. COMMISSIONER YOUSUFZAI.

HERE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ONTO ITEM C. SALUTE FOR THE FLAG.

EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE. READY TO BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM D, THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA.

[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]

I DO NOT. COMMISSIONER MCCAULEY. I DON'T THINK SO.

NO. NONE FOR ME. OKAY. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA. I'LL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOVING ON TO ITEM E, BLUE FOLDER ITEMS.

[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]

[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]

[H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

OKAY. DOES ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEMS? NO. THERE WAS A LETTER THOUGH. YEAH. WAS THERE.

THERE WAS AN EMAIL. YES. AND WE SENT THAT OUT.

THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE BLUE FOLDER. THAT WAS AN ITEM REGARDING A NON AGENDA ITEM.

OKAY. SO WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT AT THIS TIME? STAFF IS NOT PRESENT TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION.

SO THAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR A RESPONSE.

OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME, IS IT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DISCUSS IT WITHOUT STAFF PRESENT? CORRECT. CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO THIS. IT'S NOT WITH THIS.

YEAH. SO WHERE IS IT? OH, RIGHT. I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT.

OKAY. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THAT ITEM? IT DEPENDS ON THE RESPONSE FROM STAFF. I'LL HAVE TO CONFER.

THE ITEM CAME IN LATER THAN WE USUALLY SUBMIT.

SO IT WAS A QUESTION REGARDING THE 510 GARNET ITEM FROM LAST AGENDA.

WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, BUT AS IT WAS LISTED AS A PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WANTED TO MAKE COMMISSION AWARE. SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK IF THERE'S A NEEDED INPUT OR RESPONSE FROM COMMISSION.

BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR OUR HOPE IS THAT PLANNING WILL BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THOSE QUESTIONS.

BUT IT'S BEEN SENT TO YOU VIA EMAIL AND IT'S ADDED TO THE AGENDA ONLINE AND ON THE BLUE FOLDER.

BUT THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST ANSWERED BY THE DEPARTMENT.

BUT AGAIN, WE COULD BRING THEM BACK TO THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE IF NEED BE.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. COMMISSIONER LANG IT'S UNDER H.1.

OKAY. IN CASE YOU WANTED TO READ IT. OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM I, EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

[I. EX PARTE COMMUNICATION]

PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM K. ITEMS CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS.

WE HAVE NO ITEMS CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS AGENDA.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM L.1 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE 2025 LIBRARY SUMMER READING PROGRAM.

[L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]

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SHE IS HERE TONIGHT TO JOIN US. SHE WAS PROMOTED TO YOUTH SERVICES LIBRARIAN AFTER WORKING FOR US AS A LIBRARY PAGE, A LIBRARY TECHNICIAN. SHE GRADUATED RECENTLY WITH HER MLS, AND SHE MADE IT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CIVIL SERVICE PROCESS.

SO WE KNOW THAT SHE'S COMPETED AMONG SOME OF THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HER JOIN US HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE 2025 SUMMER READING PROGRAM. COME ON UP. HELLO. MY NAME IS LISA JUAREZ.

I'M THE YOUTH SERVICES LIBRARIAN FOR THE REDONDO BEACH PUBLIC LIBRARY.

EVERY YEAR, WE OFFER A SUMMER READING PROGRAM FOR CHILDREN, TEENS, AND ADULTS TO HELP FOSTER A LOVE OF READING.

ENCOURAGE ROUTINE READING TIME AND ASSOCIATE READING WITH FUN.

WE ALSO AIM TO PREVENT SUMMER SLIDE AND A LOSS OF ACADEMIC SKILLS FOR OUR YOUNG PATRONS.

LAST YEAR, WE MANAGED A VERY SUCCESSFUL SUMMER READING PROGRAM WITH A TOTAL OF 2047 PARTICIPANTS ACROSS ALL AGES.

THIS YEAR, WE'RE EXCITED TO OFFER A TEN WEEK PROGRAM THAT STARTS ON JUNE 14TH AND EXTENDS TO AUGUST 23RD.

THIS YEAR'S THEME IS LEVEL UP AT YOUR LIBRARY, WITH A FOCUS ON GAMES AND PUZZLES AND FOSTERING CREATIVITY.

THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE THEIR FIRST CHANCE TO SIGN UP ON THE DAY OF OUR KICKOFF EVENT AT THE MAIN LIBRARY ON SATURDAY, JUNE 14TH FROM 12 P.M. TO 3 P.M., WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS TRANSFORMED INTO A LIVELY CARNIVAL WITH TABLES OF ACTIVITIES AND GAMES THAT ARE RUN BY OUR DEDICATED TEEN VOLUNTEERS. WE'LL ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY DEPARTMENTS THERE, LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR REDONDO BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH THEIR FIRE TRUCK.

ON THIS DAY, CHILDREN AND TEENS WILL COME TO THE MAIN LIBRARY TO SIGN UP FOR THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM.

THEY'LL RECEIVE A TOTE BAG AND A READING LOG.

WE'LL ALSO ENCOURAGE THE ENTIRE FAMILY TO SIGN UP, INCLUDING PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS, BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN FIND JOY IN READING.

IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THREE PROGRAMS, SO WE HAVE THE ADULT SUMMER READING PROGRAM FOR THOSE WHO ARE 18 AND OLDER.

PARTICIPANTS WILL FILL OUT BOOK REVIEWS AND TURN THEM IN FOR A CHANCE OF WINNING WEEKLY DRAWINGS OF GIFT CARDS.

THE CHILDREN'S SUMMER READING PROGRAM IS AIMED TOWARDS BABIES AND THOSE IN FIFTH GRADE, AND EVERYONE IN BETWEEN.

THEY'LL GET READING LOGS TO TRACK THEIR READING FOR INCREMENTS OF 20 MINUTES AT A TIME, AND FOR EVERY FIVE HOURS THEY READ, THEY'LL RECEIVE PRIZES AND DONATED COUPONS OF FREE FOOD FROM LOCAL ESTABLISHMENTS.

AT 25 HOURS, THEY'LL HAVE COMPLETED THEIR TRACKING SHEET AND EARNED A FREE BOOK AND AN INVITATION TO OUR FINALE PARTY.

THE TEEN SUMMER READING PROGRAM IS AIMED TOWARDS THOSE IN SIXTH GRADE THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

THEY'RE GIVEN A DIFFERENT READING LOG THAT RESEMBLES A BOOKSHELF TO TRACK THEIR READING IN 30 MINUTE INCREMENTS.

FOR EVERY TEN HOURS READ, THEY'LL EARN A PRIZE OF THEIR CHOOSING FROM OUR TREASURE CHEST OF PRIZES, AS WELL AS FOOD COUPONS. CHILDREN PRIZES INCLUDE FRISBEES, JUMP ROPES, MINI GAMES, AMONG OTHERS, AND TEEN PRIZES INCLUDE MULTICOLORED PENS AND HIGHLIGHTERS AND SNACKS, AMONG OTHERS, AND BOTH WILL RECEIVE A FREE BOOK UPON COMPLETION.

EACH PRIZE IS PAIRED WITH A COUPON FROM ONE OF OUR MANY SPONSORS, INCLUDING FRESH BROTHERS, RAISING CANE'S, MCDONALD'S AND MORE. IN ADDITION, WE HOLD AN OPPORTUNITY PRIZE DRAWING AT THE END OF THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM, WHERE CHILDREN AND TEENS CAN ENTER INTO THIS DRAWING BY COMPLETING BOOK REVIEWS THAT WILL POST AT THE LIBRARY SO THEIR PEERS CAN READ IT AND GET INSPIRED FOR THEIR NEXT READ.

THE GRAND PRIZES FOR THIS INCLUDE TOYS AND GIFT CARDS.

PARTICIPANTS ARE ALSO GIVEN A CALENDAR OF EVENTS WHEN REGISTERING.

SOME EVENTS ON THAT INCLUDE OUR SPECIAL STORY TIMES, LIKE OUR PRIDE AND OUR JUNETEENTH STORY TIMES.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE GUEST STORYTELLERS FROM COMMUNITY DEPARTMENTS LIKE OUR REDONDO BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND MUNICIPAL SERVICES. OTHER CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS INCLUDE OUR REGULAR CRAFTS AND OUR LEGO CLUBS.

BUT WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME SPECIAL PROGRAMS LIKE OUR NORTH BRANCH BUBBLE PARTY AND NEW TO THE SUMMER IS OUR GAME DAY FOR CHILDREN AT THE MAIN LIBRARY ON AUGUST 16TH, WHERE FAMILIES CAN PLAY A LIFE SIZE BOARD GAME.

KIND OF SIMILAR TO CANDYLAND WITH OVERSIZE FLOOR SQUARES CREATED BY OUR TEEN VOLUNTEERS.

TEENS WILL ENJOY PROGRAMS LED BY OUR TEEN LIBRARIAN.

SOME INCLUDE AN INTERACTIVE MOVIE, ARTISTIC PROGRAMS LIKE PAINTING TOTE BAGS, AND CREATING KEYCHAINS.

THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN GAME DAY WITH BOARD GAMES AND CARD GAMES.

THEY'LL MAKE THEIR OWN VIDEO GAMES USING A CODING PROGRAM AND A VIDEO GAME TOURNAMENT.

THE FINALE PARTIES WILL TAKE PLACE ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 23RD AT NORTH BRANCH AT 11 A.M.

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OUR PROJECTED SUMMER READING REGISTRATION GOAL FOR CHILDREN IS 1600 PARTICIPANTS AND FOR TEENS, 275 PARTICIPANTS. PROMOTION FOR OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAM WILL INCLUDE DIFFERENT AVENUES, SUCH AS THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES, FLIERS WILL BE PASSED TO SCHOOLS AND DISPLAYED THROUGH OUR LIBRARIES.

WE'LL PERFORM OUTREACH AT THE SCHOOLS TO TALK ABOUT OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAM TO STUDENTS, AND WE WILL HANG SUMMER READING BANNERS DISPLAYED ON THE PHYSICAL LIBRARY BUILDINGS.

WE'LL ALSO SEND INFORMATION THROUGH OUR LIBRARY AND CITY NEWSLETTERS.

FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO EXTEND MY DEEPEST APPRECIATION TO THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SO RECEPTIVE OF ME STEPPING INTO THIS ROLE AND FUND OUR ENTIRE SUMMER READING PROGRAM. THEY ALLOW US TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND BEST SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN A PARENT WITH YOUNG CHILDREN THAT LOVED THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE'RE GETTING THE ONES WHO ALREADY WANT TO BE READING.

YEAH. IS THERE A MECHANISM OR A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE S CHOOLS WHERE IF THE CHILDREN PARTICIPATE IN THE LIBRARY PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE TO, TO GRAB THOSE CHILDREN THE, THE AT RISK READERS, YOU KNOW, AND BRING THEM IN.

I WANTED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT. WELL, I KNOW FOR SOME OF THE CLASSES, THEIR TEACHERS WILL OFFER A PARTY AT THE END, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. IF THEY TURN IN THEIR READING LOG.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY PARTNER WITH THAT, BUT WE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE THE KIDS TO KEEP THEIR READING LOGS ONCE THEY'RE FINISHED.

THAT WAY THEY CAN SHOW THEIR TEACHERS. BUT AS FAR AS THAT GOES, I'D BE VERY INTERESTED WITH COMMUNICATING TO THE SCHOOLS TO FURTHER THOSE KIND OF INCENTIVES. GOT IT. SO IT'S ALL IT'S WITHIN THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES.

THEY'RE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE ENCOURAGING THE STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE.

CORRECT. BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO THE SCHOOLS AND DOING OUTREACH AND TALKING. JUST THIS WEEK, WE WENT TO JEFFERSON AND LINCOLN ELEMENTARY TO TALK TO THE STUDENTS.

GOT IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM L.2 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE CREATION OF A PARK RANGER PROGRAM SUBCOMMITTEE.

OKAY. SO I'LL JUST PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE FOR YOU ALL ON THIS.

SO THIS IS A FOLLOW UP ITEM. THE COMMISSION, THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION DID REQUEST.

IF YOU REMEMBER, THE RECREATION AND PARKS COMMISSION DID HAVE AN ACTIVE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE PARK RANGER PROGRAM.

SO IN NOVEMBER OF 23, THE REC AND PARKS COMMISSION CREATED THIS SUBCOMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS OVER ACTIVITIES THAT WERE GOING ON IN THE PARKS THAT WERE ENFORCEMENT RELATED, BUT THEN ALSO JUST KIND OF USER ISSUES AND CONCERNS.

AND SO THE REC AND PARKS COMMISSION AT THE TIME CREATED THIS SUBCOMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND FOR THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE TO RECOMMEND THEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A PARK RANGER PROGRAM.

THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS TO THIS, AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS DONE.

WE DO HAVE TWO OF OUR CURRENT COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER LANG AND CHAIR YOUSUFZAI WERE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

PREVIOUSLY ON THE REC AND PARKS COMMISSION. AND SO THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE UP UNTIL THE POINT WHERE THE REC AND PARKS COMMISSION WAS ABOLISHED WAS WE DID SOME BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT NEIGHBORING CITIES AND AGENCIES DO WITH PARK RANGER PROGRAMS, AND THEN ALSO WHETHER SOME CITIES JUST SIMPLY DON'T HAVE A PROGRAM.

LOOKED AT THE ENFORCEMENT ARM OF THAT POSITION.

IS THAT POSITION ABLE TO WRITE CITATIONS OR IS IT MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL POSITION? WHAT IS THEIR ROLE? ARE THEY JUST FOR OUTREACH? DO THEY WATCH OVER THE PARKS, OR ARE THEY KIND OF CAMPED AT A CENTRAL LOCATION AND ARE IN ON RESPOND BASED OFF OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AND INSTEAD OF BEING MORE PROACTIVE? AND SO THERE WAS SOME WORK DONE THERE.

WE ALSO DID MEET INTERNALLY WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS OUR RECREATION AND PARK STAFF, WHO ARE MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN THE PARKS TO JUST GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE PARKS.

AND THEN FROM BOTH OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES, AREAS THAT COULD BE IMPROVED TO WHERE A PARK RANGER PROGRAM,

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AND SO WE WERE PLANNING TO MEET WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, AS WELL AS DO A FOLLOW UP MEETING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MORE OF AN ONGOING CONVERSATION PIECE. AND THAT WAS AROUND THE TIME THAT THE COMMISSIONS WERE CONSOLIDATED.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS JUST A FOLLOW UP FROM A REQUEST FROM YOU ALL, BUT ALSO KIND OF SOME CLEANUP FROM CONSOLIDATING OUR COMMISSIONS. SO FOR TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER WHETHER THIS IS STILL A CONCERN OF THE COMMISSION, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL STILL WANT TO CONSIDER LOOKING INTO.

WE CAN CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND STAFF CAN SUPPORT THAT IN ALL THE EFFORTS, OBVIOUSLY REACHING AND CONNECTING WITH THE VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS.

I DO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT FOR THE DISCUSSION FOR ITEM L.3, THAT ITEM INCLUDES, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW, ALL OF THE CURRENT ACTIVE SUBCOMMITTEES ON THE COMMISSION.

SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE CURRENT WORKLOAD OF THE COMMISSION.

I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN YOU ALL WITH SOMETHING, BUT AT THE SAME POINT, IF THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH, WE AS STAFF CAN PROVIDE THE SUPPORT TO HELP FOSTER THAT INITIATIVE ALONG. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM YOU GUYS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE OR I GUESS RE RESTART THIS SUBCOMMITTEE AS PART OF THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION. OKAY.

THIS. I MISSED, I THINK A MEETING OR SO AND SO I'M, I GUESS I'M CURIOUS IF YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE, LIKE TWO THIRDS OF THE INFORMATION WE NEED AND WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THAT EXTRA THIRD, OR IF YOU THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE QUITE A BIT MORE INVESTMENT OF TIME I THINK I DEFINITELY REMEMBER WHAT THE GOALS WERE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS BROUGHT THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS AND EXPERIENCES. AND SO IT I THINK WHAT OUR GOAL WAS WAS KIND OF WE WEREN'T SURE YET, LIKE IF WE WANT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU WERE PRESENT AT THE MEETINGS.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE GIVEN THE INFORMATION WE HAVE, WE'RE CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO MAKE A A RECOMMENDATION? OR DO YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE, WE NEED TO REVISIT QUITE A FEW MORE? I DO THINK IT. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. I DO THINK IT WILL LIKELY TAKE A FEW MORE MEETINGS.

I DID FORGET TO MENTION AS WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE GOING TO DO WAS ALSO OUTREACH DIRECTLY WITH THE CITIES THAT DO HAVE PARK RANGER PROGRAMS, AND WE HAD A LIST OF QUESTIONS TO ASK THEM SO THAT WE COULD KIND OF DIG DEEPER INTO HOW THEIR PROGRAMS ARE STRUCTURED, AND THEN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST KIND OF THROWING EVERYTHING AT OUR PROGRAM, BUT IT MAY NOT BE RESPONSIVE TO THE CURRENT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PARK.

SO. SO IF IT'S HELPFUL, WHAT I ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S LEFT IS TO DO A FOLLOW UP MEETING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND LIKELY WE MAY HAVE TO DO TWO MORE WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG, I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE KIND OF A BASELINE CONVERSATION AND THEN DO A FOLLOW UP.

WE STILL NEED TO CONNECT WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM AND THEN OBVIOUSLY REACH OUT TO THE CITIES THAT HAVE EXISTING PROGRAMS FROM THERE.

THEN IT'S A MATTER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE CREATING ITS RECOMMENDATION OF WHETHER TO DO A PROGRAM, AND IF IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO RECOMMEND THE PROGRAM.

IT'S ALSO THE COMMISSION OR EXCUSE ME. THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS ALSO TASKED WITH DRAFTING WHAT THAT PARK RANGER PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WHAT'S THE FULL ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITY OF THE OF THE PARK RANGER ? IS IT ONE PARK RANGER ? IS IT TWO? IS IT MULTIPLE? WHAT KIND OF LEVELS? AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUPER DETAILED, BUT SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE SO THAT WE AS STAFF CAN OFFER SOME SUPPORT TO COUNCIL OF GENERALLY HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST BUDGETARILY.

SO I DO THINK THERE'S STILL SOME WORK TO DO, BUT I DON'T SEE THIS LASTING A YEAR OR TWO.

I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY WRAP IT UP IN A FEW MONTHS, BUT IT WILL TAKE SEVERAL MEETINGS, I THINK, TO REALLY DO THE DO IT JUSTICE SO THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE FEELS CONFIDENT IN ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.

I HAD A COUPLE THINGS TO JUST A COUPLE POINTS ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF SURPRISING. I MEAN, YOU'D MENTIONED THAT WE'D STARTED THIS ORIGINALLY IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.

I MEAN, THAT'S A YEAR AND A HALF. AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO STAFF A PARK RANGER AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

OBVIOUSLY, 2023 TO NOW, YOU KNOW, IS A LONG TIME.

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IS THERE ANY BUDGET CURRENTLY TO STAFF A PARK RANGER ? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I MEAN, IT HAS NEVER BEEN A DISCUSSION OF THE COUNCIL THAT I'M AWARE OF.

SO, SO SO I APPRECIATE THAT POINT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, I BELIEVE, OF ALL THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH ON THE REC AND PARK COMMISSION, I THINK WE HAD THE MOST MEETINGS WITH THIS PARTICULAR SUBCOMMITTEE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, STILL PERSONALLY BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, IF THIS IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO REESTABLISH THIS ON THIS COMMISSION.

BUT MY ONLY THING IS, IS THAT RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY TO HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE BUDGET, WE'RE BASICALLY GIVING A VERY DETAILED RECOMMENDATION THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS GOING BACK A YEAR AND A HALF WHEN WE STARTED IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO SHELF IN THE INTERIM UNTIL WE GET TO ANOTHER BUDGET CYCLE, WHICH AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IT IS A LOT OF WORK TO OUTREACH, INTERFACE, PUT ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER AND ESSENTIALLY PREPARE THE EQUIVALENT OF A STAFF REPORT TO THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO ADOPT SOMETHING. SO I BELIEVE IN THE WORK OF IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE IF IT'S GOING TO BE SUPER BENEFICIAL TO US, GIVEN THE FACT THAT, LIKE, THE BUDGET'S GOING TO GET ADOPTED IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.

YEAH. AND THAT' S A PRETTY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TOO.

AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED KIND OF THE TIMELINE OF THE BUDGET. WE ARE SURPASSED MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

RIGHT. SO STARTING JULY 1ST, THIS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION EITHER AT MID-YEAR, WHICH SOMETIMES CAN BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS, ESPECIALLY FOR STAFFING AT MID-YEAR OR FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL BUDGET, WHICH WOULD BE JULY OF 2026, IS KIND OF WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. SO TO YOUR POINT, YES, WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE TIMING.

DO WE WANT TO PUT ALL THE EFFORT IN NOW, IF WE STILL BELIEVE IT'S AN ISSUE, IS A CONCERN, AND THEN KIND OF TABLE IT UNTIL THE COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION? OR DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF WAIT A LITTLE BIT, GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO IT, PUT THE EFFORT IN AND THEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL? OR IS IT JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY TO CONSIDER ANYMORE? BUT YEAH, THE TIMING IS OFF. UNFORTUNATELY FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE.

I PERSONALLY AND YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER LANG, WHO ALSO WAS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IS HERE TOO.

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE HAD PUT A LOT OF EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT TEAMS AND DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK FOR IT TO BE SIMPLY A RECOMMENDATION THAT CANNOT GET DONE AT ALL, AT LEAST AGAIN, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WHETHER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ADOPT IT OR NOT, COMPLETELY ON THE COUNCIL, RIGHT. BUT WHEN WE'RE OUT OF BUDGET SEASON LIKE THIS, THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OR NO CHANCE FOR IT TO.

RIGHT? AND SO I GUESS WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND CYNICAL OR PESSIMISTIC ABOUT THE IDEA, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL SEE THE VALUE IN IT.

GIVEN THAT FOR THE NEXT YEAR, OR AT LEAST TILL MID MID YEAR BUDGET, THERE'S NO CHANCE OF IT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I PERSONALLY THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO TABLE IT GIVEN THE REST OF OUR WORKLOAD SUBCOMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS.

YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SO IT DOES SOUND LIKE A LOT OF WORK, AND WE WANT TO BE REALLY THOROUGH.

IS THERE ANY SORT OF OTHER AVENUE WHERE WE COULD EXPLORE IF THE COUNCIL WOULD EVEN BE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, LIKE BRING IT LIKE DO A HIGH LEVEL. JUST THESE ARE THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS.

PUBLIC AMENITIES, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE HAPPY TO DRAFT, YOU KNOW, OR GET INVOLVED WITH THE RESEARCH AND IS THAT A POSSIBLE AVENUE TO, LIKE, SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST THERE OR DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD JUST DO THE RESEARCH, WRITE THE REPORT AND PRESENT IT TO THEM? IT'S KIND OF A DUAL SIDED QUESTION BECAUSE THERE IS AN AVENUE FOR GETTING COUNCIL'S INPUT AND KIND OF GETTING THEIR APPETITE FOR IT.

AND I THINK THAT THE MOST FITTING WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AS PART OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN SUGGESTIONS, BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD LOOK AT YOUR LETTER AND SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADD TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, OR WE JUST DON'T WANT TO APPLY RESOURCES TO THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY JUST HAD THAT MEETING ABOUT A MONTH AGO, SO THEY TYPICALLY WILL DO THAT ANNUALLY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER YEAR FOR THAT. AT ANY TIME THE COMMISSION CAN SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE COUNCIL, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY MAILED TO OR SENT TO THEM DIRECTLY.

BUT EVEN FROM THAT, WE CAN'T REALLY POLL THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THEN THERE'S BROWN ACT VIOLATIONS.

SO WITHOUT TAKING AN ITEM ON THEIR AGENDA JUST TO SEE, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN US DOING THIS?

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I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO THAT NOW IF THERE WAS IF, YOU KNOW, A FEW COUNCIL OR FEEL COMFORTABLE CALLING ONE, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2 OF THEM AND JUST TO KIND OF SEE THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS AN AVENUE AS WELL.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH BROWN ACT VIOLATIONS WITH THAT. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO GET CAUGHT TALKING TO A FEW PEOPLE ABOUT THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF THINKING BECAUSE THE LIKE, YOU HAD ISSUES WITH E-BIKES AT ALTA VISTA.

WE SAW KIDS ON E-BIKES ON THE PLAY FIELD. AND AND I'M SURE THE COUNCIL AND THE LIKE, DISTRICT COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE LIKE HEARING FROM THEIR COMMUNITY ABOUT ISSUES. SO BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO, WHATEVER YOU WOULD RECOMMEND.

I DO ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT. WE ALL SEE A NEED AT OUR PARKS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT RESEARCH AND AND PICK THIS BACK UP.

BUT AGAIN, LIKE, MAYBE IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW. MAYBE WE PUT A PIN IN IT FOR THREE MONTHS OR WHATEVER.

WE COULD, IF YOU'D LIKE TO. YOUR MOTION COULD BE FOR US TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU IN THREE MONTHS AND KIND OF SEE WHERE THINGS ARE AT THAT POINT.

YOU KNOW, THAT COULD VERY WELL BE THE MOTION, IF YOU'D LIKE IT TO BE.

SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF YOU DO WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD, WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT AT ANY POINT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LANG, LIKE I DO, STILL SEE THE VALUE IN ADDRESSING LIKE THE NEED FOR A PARK RANGER .

I JUST THINK GIVEN WE'RE IN MID-MAY, THERE'S NO POSSIBLE CHANCE.

AND THIS I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY, LIKE WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT TEAMS AND WE HAVE TO PULL PEOPLE IN TO DO THIS FOR IT TO JUST KIND OF STALL.

BUT SO I WANT TO KIND OF BE MINDFUL OF TIME AND WORKLOAD FOR THE STAFF, FOR US, FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS.

SO I'D BE COMFORTABLE IN MAKING THE MOTION TO REVISIT THIS IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS AND THEN SEE IF WE WANT TO PICK IT UP AT THAT POINT.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY? I WOULD SAY ALSO, I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU GUYS DID PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO IT AND THERE'S NO NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN EVEN IF YOU DO A LOT MORE WORK UNTIL 2026 AT THE EARLIEST FOR A POSITION.

IT'D PROBABLY BE MID YEAR AT THE VERY. SO IT COULD BE YEAH.

SO IN THREE MONTHS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTING TO PUT ITEMS FOR THE MID-YEAR.

YEAH I WOULD ALMOST YOU KNOW COUNCIL CAN ALSO DIRECT US RIGHT.

IF THEY WERE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE THE COMMUNITY DIRECTLY AND MAYBE KIND OF WAIT FOR A SIGNAL OF LIKE, HEY GUYS, IF A COUNCIL PERSON WAS WANTING US TO PURSUE THIS MIGHT BE THE BETTER WAY TO GO BECAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF GOING TO POTENTIALLY SPIN YOUR WHEELS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF WORK AS WELL, SO YOU COULD START IT RIGHT BACK UP AT ANY TIME.

YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE. AND BUT IF THERE'S NO REAL PRESSURE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO PURSUE IT, THEN I WOULD KIND OF EITHER PAUSE IT UNTIL THREE MONTHS LATER, KIND OF AS A REMINDER TO SEE IF WE WANT TO PURSUE IT, OR JUST WAIT TILL YOU HEAR FROM HIGHER UP. IT ESCAPES ME NOW, BUT I WANT TO VAGUELY SAY, AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THIS ON THE REC AND PARKS COMMISSION, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN FOR THE PARK RANGER POSITION, WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE WE CREATED THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO YEAH, I AGAIN, JUST KIND OF GOING BACK, I AM IN FAVOR OF SHELVING THIS FOR THREE MONTHS BECAUSE I REALLY THINK AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO THAT WE CAN EVEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THEY GOT TO ADOPT THE BUDGET.

IT'S GOT YOU GUYS HAVE TO ADOPT BY JULY 1ST, RIGHT? RIGHT. WE HAVE SCHEDULED SEVERAL COUNCIL AGENDAS FOR DISCUSSION OF THE BUDGET.

NO, NO, NO. AND I AND I KNOW RIGHT NOW MID MAY, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO INPUT NEW NEW ITEMS FOR THE BUDGET.

RIGHT NOW. YES. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL, BUT WE'RE PRETTY FAR ALONG IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING. ARE YOU GOING TO CREATE A COMMITTEE TODAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ON IT FOR THREE MONTHS ANYWAY? AND I CAN AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER LANG, BUT I CAN TELL YOU OF ALL THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN ON REC AND PARKS, THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK. SO I IT WAS TRICKY BECAUSE WE HAD TO COORDINATE SO MANY SCHEDULES ALSO.

AND NOW WITH THE CONSOLIDATION, I'M COMFORTABLE MAKING THE MOTION TO REVISIT THIS AGENDA ITEM IN THREE MONTHS.

SO MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT A GOAL AS WELL.

LIKE WHAT'S THE GOAL? IS THE GOAL TO SUBMIT IT FOR? MIDYEAR? YEAH, MID-YEAR OR IS IT NEXT YEAR? YEAH. WE USUALLY DO MID-YEAR IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, DEPENDING ON SCHEDULING.

SO. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE MEETING OVER THE HOLIDAYS.

WELL, WE COULD FIT IT IN IF WE NEEDED TO. OKAY, GREAT.

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AND I'M BRAND NEW TO THIS, SO I. IT ALSO. I'M SORRY.

IT ALSO DID COME UP IN OUR MEETING WITH THE LOCAL REC LEAGUES AS WELL.

AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE TO THE IDEA. SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.

SO THERE'S THAT. GREAT. OKAY. SO DO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THE MOTION? OKAY. SO I MOVE THAT WE REVISIT BRINGING BACK THE PARK RANGER PROGRAM SUBCOMMITTEE IN THREE MONTHS WITH A GOAL OF SUBMITTING IT THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE REQUEST OR THE STAFF REPORT BY MID MID-YEAR BUDGET SUBMITTALS.

THE DISCUSSION OF CREATING THE. NO, NO, THE THE REPORT THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON.

NO, NO, BUT IS THE IS THE MOTION TO BRING BACK THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN THREE MONTHS OR THE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLY BRINGING IT BACK? OH, BRING IT BACK. DID I SAY POSSIBLY? YEAH. THE MOTION.

I'M ALWAYS SO BAD AT THESE. OKAY. I MOVE TO BRING TO RECONVENE THE PARK RANGER PROGRAM SUBCOMMITTEE IN THREE MONTHS. SHOULD I ADD THE GOAL? WITH THE GOAL OF SUBMITTING THE COMPLETED REPORT BY MID-YEAR BUDGET TALKS. WHAT ARE THESE TERMS? I DON'T KNOW.

I'LL WAIT AND SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND. AND THEN I JUST HAVE A COMMENT THAT IF YOU DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE PROCESS.

I WOULD DO THE THE ITEM FOR TONIGHT AS JUST WE WANT TO BRING THAT UP.

I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

AND THEN YOU COULD ADD THE REPORT THEN BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T EXIST.

RIGHT. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. OKAY.

SO WHAT'S THE MOTION. CAN WE CONTINUE ITEM L2 IN 3 MONTHS.

THREE MONTHS. OH, OKAY. I MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM L2 IN 3 MONTHS.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. CAN I JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RESPONDING TO YOU GUYS APPROPRIATELY.

SO YOU WANT US TO COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS FOR YOU TO RECONSIDER WHETHER TO CONVENE? YES. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM L3 COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW AND PROJECT UPDATES.

I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES UNLESS SOMEONE FROM ONE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES DOES OR HAS A QUESTION.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, ANY UPDATES ON THE BYLAWS SUBCOMMITTEE.

I KNOW COMMISSIONER MAROKO IS NOT HERE TODAY, BUT I BELIEVE WE'RE WAITING FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

THERE WAS A DISCUSSION INTERNALLY REGARDING THE FORMAT OF THE RULES OF ORDER FOR COUNCIL.

AND WHEN THAT'S REVISITED, THEN WE WOULD ASSUME THAT THE BYLAWS WOULD BE THEN IN PLACE AS A TEMPLATE FOR EACH COMMISSION, AND THEN WE'D REVISIT OUR SUBCOMMITTEE AND ADDRESS ANY SPECIFICS TO THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION.

I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED, PERHAPS DISCUSSING THE TASKS OF THE COMMISSION.

BUT WE WERE WAITING ON THAT, AND I HOPE TO HAVE AN UPDATE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY, EXCELLENT. CAN YOU. I'M SORRY. DO I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE FRANKLIN PARK SUBCOMMITTEE? IS THERE A PLAN TO INCLUDE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS A CHILD WITH NEEDS THAT WOULD. OKAY. YES, THEY WILL BE INCLUDED.

OKAY. THERE WILL BE SEVERAL STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF A CONNECTION TO EITHER THE PARK OR SOME SORT OF DISABILITY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE RESPONSIVE IN THE PLAYGROUND. AND WHAT IS THAT SELECTION PROCESS TO FIND THOSE? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TOO SURE EXACTLY HOW THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE STILL FORMING IT.

SO SO I CAN CIRCLE BACK AND SEE HOW THEY'RE MAKING THAT SELECTION.

OKAY. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF WE KNOW OF SOMEBODY? SURE. OF COURSE. YEAH. IF YOU DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE FORWARD THAT TO ME AND I CAN SEND IT OVER TO THE. THANK YOU.

OF COURSE. THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAVE FOR SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEWS AND PROJECT UPDATES IS THAT FOR THE PARTY PLANNING

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THE CITY'S BIRTHDAY HAPPENED A FEW WEEKS AGO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DISSOLVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE NOW SO WE DON'T LEAVE IT ACTIVE OR WE WANT TO. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION IF EVERYBODY CONFERS.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO DISSOLVE THAT, IT CERTAINLY FREES UP SOME COMMISSIONERS.

RIGHT. SO. OKAY. SO AGAIN, THE REVIEW WAS IS THAT THE BIRTHDAY PARTY WAS WENT OFF.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY NICE. I TOOK MY WIFE, MY KID THERE.

I SAW COMMISSIONER MAROKO. THERE'S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE. THE WEATHER WAS KIND OF IFFY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE STILT WALKER STUFF HAPPENED, GIVEN THE WEATHER, BUT THERE WAS STILL QUITE A BIT OF TURNOUT AT THE MORRELL HOUSE AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE. THE SOLE OBJECTIVE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS TO HELP PLAN THAT.

I BELIEVE THE OBJECTIVE HAS BEEN COMPLETED. SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AT THIS TIME TO DISSOLVE THE PARTY PLANNING SUBCOMMITTEE.

I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE FOR ITEM L3? JUST FOR THE FACILITY USERS, WE'RE WINDING DOWN TO THE THE SPRING SEASON.

SO THE SPRING LEAGUES ARE FINISHING UP, AND ALL STARS ARE BEGINNING FOR SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL.

AND COME AUGUST, I THINK WE'LL BE TRANSITION INTO SOCCER.

SO THAT'LL BE COMING UP PRETTY FAST. SO I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

SO I THINK THINGS ARE GOING PRETTY SMOOTH ON THAT FRONT.

THANKS A LOT. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS FOR L3, MOVING ON TO ITEM M ITEMS FROM STAFF.

[M. ITEMS FROM STAFF]

SINCE WE JUST GOT THAT ITEM . I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND WE'LL BRING BACK A BRR TO KIND OF SCOPE OUT WHAT THE FEASIBILITY IS. WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S POSSIBLE THIS BUDGET YEAR, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE IT AND BRING IT BACK.

BUT I WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE AS COMMISSIONERS, THAT WE ARE EXPLORING THAT.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM N COMMISSION

[N. COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS]

THANK YOU CHRIS. SURE. SO AFTER THIS IS JUST KIND OF LIKE A NOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST LAST MEETING.

SO WE HEARD THAT THAT ITEM ABOUT THE THE PRESERVATION, THE THE HOME WITH THE, THE RED HOME WITH THE ADDITION, THE PROPOSED ADDITION ON IT WAS LIKE FIVE SIDES.

SO IT WAS RIGHT, LEFT, VERTICAL AND AND EXTENDED UP TO THE BACK.

510 GARNET. YEAH. 510 GARNET. AND I THOUGHT I WAS THINKING A LOT ABOUT THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED HERE AND ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH DOING ON THIS COMMISSION IN TERMS OF THE PRESERVATION ASPECT OF IT.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF WORDS THROWN AROUND LIKE I USE THE WORD FEEL AND YOU USE THE WORD OBJECTIVE.

AND SO IT GOT ME TO THINKING ABOUT THE PROCESS.

AND WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REALLY SEEMS TO TAKE A REALLY OBJECTIVE APPROACH TO CHECKING THE BOXES ON THE CRITERIA THAT'S REQUIRED TO EVEN GET THE PROJECT TO THIS COMMISSION.

AND THE REASON WHY I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR SO LONG IS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE CRITERIA THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THAT THAT REFERENCED A CORNER LOT WITH EXPANSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, FOUR SIDES OR WHATEVER. AND SO IT WAS REALLY UP TO US TO LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION, THE RENDERINGS, AND HEAR DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEN AND THEN KIND OF TAKE ALL THAT AND MAKE THE DECISION.

AND I, I FEEL LIKE I STILL NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TO BE REALLY CONFIDENT IN, LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M ASKING AND EVEN HANDING, EVEN, EVEN VOTING TO APPROVE PROJECTS LIKE THAT.

BUT I DID WANT TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE REASON WHY THERE IS A PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR INSIGHT FROM STAKEHOLDERS,

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AND SO I JUST WANT TO REALLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO KIND OF BE ALLOW THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO, TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF LIKE HOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE I LEFT THE THE MEETING THAT NIGHT AND FELT LIKE NOT VERY SETTLED WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED.

AND SO I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, BE RESPECTFUL AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S IT. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME FEELING AND I AND I STILL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS IN MY MIND.

AND I KEEP GOING BACK AND ASKING MYSELF IF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I, IF I VOTED CORRECTLY.

BUT YEAH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PRESERVATION ITEMS AND OTHER THINGS THAT JUST FEEL INCORRECT AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL, YOU KNOW, AND THE QUESTIONS I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT OUR JOINT COMMISSION THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ASKING VERY VALUABLE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY NOT JUST THE HOMEOWNER, BUT FOR THE NEIGHBORS.

RIGHT. AS I YOU KNOW, I QUESTIONED HOW VOTING FOR THE PROJECT WOULD IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS AND THE SEWER LINES. THAT TO ME WAS A QUESTION OF SAFETY.

AND YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT YEAH, I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.

SO THAT PARCEL OF LAND THAT THAT THE CITY WAS AWARDED THAT IS NOW BECOMING A LITTLE PARK. AND THE COUNCIL VOTED TO FUND THE LANDSCAPE FOR IT.

I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. SO THERE'S THERE'S A PIECE OF LAND THAT THAT WAS UNDER THE THE POWER LINES ALONG HERONDO.

AND YOU KNOW WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT? YES, YES.

SORRY. I THOUGHT IT WAS A MORE RECENT ACQUISITION.

THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED. WELL, IT'S IT'S PRETTY RECENT.

IT WAS PRETTY RECENTLY APPROVED. YES. OR OR, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WHOLE THING WAS NEGOTIATED AND IT'S BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, BUT IT WAS JUST RECENTLY YOU KNOW, RESOLVED AND THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO FUND THE LANDSCAPE PART OF IT.

SO MY QUESTION IS, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A PARK, RIGHT? SO WE AS A COMMISSION NEVER CAME TO US. WE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

NO PRESENTATION WAS MADE. AND UNLESS WE'RE FOLLOWING ALONG YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL WE REALLY WE DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, OR IF I'M READING REDONDO BEACH RESIDENCE PAGE AND I'M GETTING MY NEWS THROUGH THERE, I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE THE RESPECT FOR WHAT WE DO HERE AS COMMISSIONERS, I, I FEEL THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT SHOULD COME TO US THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO SAY, ARE WE GOING TO GET SOME SORT OF PRESENTATION AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S BEING PLANNED? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S ALWAYS THIS KIND OF THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PROJECTS CAN COME ACROSS YOUR PLATE, IT COULD EITHER BE STAFF INITIATED, IT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS REQUEST OF US, OR IT COULD BE CITY COUNCIL INITIATED.

SO OFTENTIMES WITH PARKS, THE COUNCIL MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED YOUR INPUT.

NOT THAT IT'S NOT VALUABLE, BUT THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME OUTREACH OR THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO GO.

THEIR MASTER PLAN WAS DONE LONG AGO, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO SET THE EXPECTATION THAT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS AT PARKS HAS TO COME THROUGH THIS BODY.

IN A PERFECT WORLD, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. BUT IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S IT'S IT'S MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND NOT NECESSARILY NEEDED.

AND SO I DON'T TO YOUR SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION, I REALLY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHETHER ANYTHING WILL COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION,

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SO I WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH MYSELF, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP WITH SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU.

YEAH. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TO RENDER OUR OPINION ONTO SOMETHING. IF THE COUNCIL FELT THAT THEY WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO THAT WORK, BUT WE SHOULDN'T.

WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO PARKS BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF PART OF OUR COMMISSION. I FELT A LITTLE BIT IGNORANT WHEN I WAS ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IT.

AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE CASE.

WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, THE THE COUNCIL, THE CITY SHOULD SHOULD PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US IN A FORMAL WAY AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO READ IT, YOU KNOW ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR IF I HAPPEN TO READ THE COUNCIL AGENDAS AND SEE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT. AND NEXT SO LAST MONTH, I ASKED I ASKED OUR CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, FOR AN UPDATE ON THE SOUND STUDY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE STILL WAITING UNLESS I'VE MISSED SOMETHING ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA.

HAS THAT COME? THE THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

AWESOME. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM. WE'RE HOPING TO SCHEDULE IT FOR EARLY JUNE IS KIND OF THE LOOKS LIKE THE SWEET SPOT WITH STAFF SCHEDULES AS WELL AS THE CONSULTANT SCHEDULE. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING A DATE IDENTIFIED SO THAT WE CAN DO THE NOTICING.

OKAY. AWESOME. AND WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET THE DATE FOR WHEN THAT SOUND STUDY IS HAPPENING? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. COMMISSIONER MCCAULEY.

NO. I HAVE NOTHING FOR STAFF. OTHER THAN THAT THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE ON THE PARKS COMMISSION, WHERE WE FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT. WELL, IT WAS THE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D FIX THAT. YEAH. SEASIDE LAGOON.

WE WERE ASKING TO HEAR ABOUT IT, BUT WE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING.

IF THERE WOULD JUST BE, LIKE, AN UPDATE WOULD BE THE MOST LIKE, THIS IS EITHER GOING TO HAPPEN OR WHATNOT, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN. BUT I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN DO THAT.

IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. IT ALSO KIND OF SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE, I'M SURE PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG HAND IN KIND OF BUILDING OUT THE PARK OR SOMETHING. AND THEY'RE AND YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE SEPARATE WHEREAS IN SOME CITIES THAT WOULD TAKE LIKE YOUR OWN STAFF WOULD BE BUILDING THAT OUT OR SOMETHING KIND OF ALONG THOSE LINES. YEAH. THERE'S ALWAYS THIS KIND OF DICHOTOMY WHEN WHEN THERE'S A PROJECT IN THE PARK, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, PUBLIC WORKS HAS A HAND IN IT, AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF WHICH COMMISSION IS INVOLVED IN WHAT AND THE VARIOUS LEVELS.

AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE CROSSING ALL THOSE T'S. BUT AT THE SAME POINT, IF COUNCIL WANTS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AND THEY SAY, HIT GO AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, THERE'S NO NEED TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION IN THAT CASE.

SO SO THERE MAY BE CASES WHERE AN ITEM GOES TO THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION OR VICE VERSA.

IT MAY COME HERE AND NOT GO TO PUBLIC WORKS , AND THEN THEIR TEAM IS THE ONE BUILDING IT. SO EVERY PROJECT IS DIFFERENT.

THERE'S NUANCES TO ALL OF THEM. BUT LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO GIVE YOU GUYS AT LEAST BASELINE INFORMATION.

I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT ANY OF YOU TO FEEL CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY BY ITEMS THAT YOU'RE ASKED BY THE COMMUNITY.

ON THE FLIP SIDE, AS WELL, IF YOU ARE ASKED A QUESTION AND AREN'T SURE HOW TO ANSWER IT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REFER ANYONE TO ME OR MY TEAM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP WITH THAT PERSON INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION AS WELL.

SO DON'T BE DON'T BE NERVOUS TO SEND THEM OUR WAY AS WELL.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS. FIRST ONE JUST, YOU KNOW, I BOTHERED YOU ENOUGH ABOUT THIS KELLY OVER YOU KNOW, THE THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS REGARDING E-BIKE SIGNAGE AT DALE PAGE PARK.

I DO SEE CERTAIN SIGNAGE. DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S SPECIFIC E-BIKE SIGNAGE SIGNAGES LIKE THROUGHOUT DALE PAGE BECAUSE LIKE I GO TO I GO TO DALE PAGE.

I'M NOT KIDDING. MAYBE FIVE TIMES A WEEK. I PLAY BASKETBALL KIND OF MID WORKDAY THERE.

AND THERE'S KIDS WHEELING ACROSS THE PICKLEBALL COURTS COMING THROUGH BEELINING IT ACROSS ROBINSON ONTO THE BIKE PATHS.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN ARE PLAYING AT THE THE PLAYGROUND, YOU KNOW, YOUNG KIDS A LOT OF TIME.

SO IT'S JUST IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN EVENTUALLY.

LIKE, I DON'T MEAN TO SAY IT SOUNDING LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOOM AND GLOOM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE RECKLESS RIDING THEIR E-BIKES LIKE THAT, SPEEDING THROUGH, CUTTING, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T KNOW IF IF THERE'S ANY REMEDY TO REQUEST LIKE SIGNAGE THERE, PARTICULARLY PERTAINING TO E-BIKES THROUGH THE PARK.

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YOU KNOW, YOUNG KIDS ARE JUST RUNNING AROUND AND KIDS, OLDER KIDS ARE JUST BEE-LINING IT WITH E-BIKES, YOU KNOW? SO YEAH, THE LAST WE SPOKE, WE HAD CONNECTED WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY WERE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THEIR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO TO GET SOME CLOSER EYES ON THAT PARK, JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE KIND OF TRAFFIC WAS LOOKING LIKE TO SEE THEN WHAT WE COULD RECOMMEND.

I ADMITTEDLY, I NEVER FOLLOWED BACK UP WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT THE RESULTS WERE FOR THAT, SO I THAT'S ON ME.

I WILL FOLLOW UP AND SEE WHAT THEY WHAT THEY VIEWED.

AND THEN FROM THERE WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO SEE IS IT AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, CREATING LINES ON THE, ON THE PAVEMENT SO THAT THERE'S KIND OF TWO, TWO LANES AND THEN MAYBE DOING EVEN TO YOUR POINT, SIGNAGE. I THINK WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT LIKE SPEED LIMIT LIMITATIONS AS WELL, WHICH IS BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE CONCERN WITH THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE OF IT.

HOW HOW PROBABLE AND HOW LIKELY IS IT TO ENFORCE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO YEAH, I'M KIND OF HOPING THAT MAYBE SIGNAGE AT FIRST CAN BE LIKE THE FIRST LINE OF DETERRENCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN KIND OF GOING MID-AFTERNOON, LIKE WHEN A LOT OF THE OLDER KIDS ARE LET OUT OF SCHOOL.

AND I'VE SEEN SOME PEOPLE TRY TO, LIKE, PARK THEIR BIKE AND TRY TO HOP AND PEEK OVER THE HOUSES THAT PAGE.

AND I'M LIKE, COME ON, GUYS LIKE, SERIOUSLY, IN THE MIDDLE OF LIKE, PEOPLE PLAYING IN THE PARK.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MORE THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY HAPPENING AS WELL.

SO I DID WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SIGNAGE TO SEE IF THAT'S AT LEAST LIKE THE FIRST LEVEL OF DETERRENCE.

THE SECOND THING IS, IS I JUST KIND OF WANT TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MILLS ACT STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, BECAUSE I DO FEEL THAT THAT'S KIND OF BECOME A THING WHERE WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME I'M GOING THROUGH, LIKE, THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS TAKE A LOT. AND I KNOW THAT THERE USED TO BE A COMMISSION LIKE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION USED TO DEAL WITH THAT SOLELY, BUT THEY GOT CONSOLIDATED WITH THIS. I DO THINK THAT I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID, THAT THIS IS TURNING INTO SOMETHING THAT LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S SIMPLY MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL LIKE, THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS LIVES, LIVELIHOOD COST MONEY. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WHILE IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY ASK ALL THESE QUESTIONS, WE REALLY SHOULD BE MINDFUL THAT EVERY TIME WE CONTINUE A DISCUSSION PERTAINING TO A HOME, THERE'S ADDITIONAL COST TO A NEIGHBOR THAT GO INTO DOING THAT, RIGHT.

SO LIKE GARNET 510 GARNET WAS ALREADY A CONTINUATION.

THE PREVIOUS PRECEDING MEETING, WE HAD DISCUSSION OF SUBJECTIVITY.

WE ALL SAID THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THIS WAS A CERTAIN THING.

WE DIDN'T DO THIS AND THE PREVIOUS MEETING. YOU KNOW, THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING FROM THAT, WHICH WAS OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WAS JUST TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS WHAT WE HAD ALREADY SAID TO THEM.

SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE NOT SIMPLY BEING OBJECTIVE AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS PROCESS.

THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE HAD GIVEN CLEAR SUBJECTIVE DIRECTION FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO COMPLY WITH, AND THE HOMEOWNER CAME BACK AND SHOWED THAT THEY WERE COMPLYING WITH IT.

SO HOWEVER, EVERYONE VOTED ON IT, THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF BOTH SUBJECTIVE AND OBJECTIVE OVERVIEW WHEN WE REVIEW THIS.

RIGHT? WE ALL DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE IF SUBJECTIVELY A PROPERTY MAKES SENSE AND IT'S ESTHETIC.

BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WE HAD ALREADY DONE THAT.

AND THEN THEY HAD COME BACK AND TRY TO SHOW THAT THEY SATISFY THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE THAT POINT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS AMONGST THE MOST IMPORTANT KIND OF TASKS THAT THIS COMMISSION IS DOING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PUT LOTS OF MONEY INTO PRESERVING THESE HOMES.

THEY'RE ON TIMELINES. EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW, AN ARCHITECT COMES INTO A MEETING LIKE, THAT'S MONEY.

EVERY TIME A HOMEOWNER TAKES AWAY, ANY TIME WE CONTINUE THIS AND IT DELAYS THEIR BUILDING, THAT'S MONEY. SO LIKE WHETHER THIS THIS IS A LITTLE BIT I OBSERVE THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ABOUT THIS, RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF STREAMLINE THE PROCESS OR AT LEAST ADDRESS IT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE MENTION THAT AGAIN, LIKE THAT SHOULD BE A RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE DON'T OVERLOOK.

IT'S NOT LIKE AN ITEM THAT WE'LL SAY, OKAY, LET'S PICK UP IN THREE MONTHS OR YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF GETTING IT.

LIKE, WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AS STREAMLINED AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MENTION OF THAT PERTAINING TO 510 GARNET, BECAUSE THIS WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED.

WE HAD ALREADY GIVEN DIRECTION. IT CAME BACK.

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WELL, I THINK THERE WAS SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT CAME THROUGH. AND IT'S ALSO WORTH MENTIONING THAT ENTERING IN TO THE MILLS CONTRACT, WHERE YOU GET SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC SUBSIDY IS VOLUNTARY.

SO IF THE IDEA IS THAT YOU JUST WANT TO BUILD YOUR BIG HOUSE AND YOU DON'T WANT ANY INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO COME TO THIS COMMISSION, YOU SHOULD EXPECT THAT THE PROCESS MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THEN.

AND ACTUALLY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT TAKES SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS REGARDLESS.

SO I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY REASONABLE WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.

AND I MEAN, I THINK THAT ANDREW AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROBABLY TALKS THE HOMEOWNERS THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT IT IS.

YEAH. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING ANYTHING.

I MEAN, I CAN SAY THIS FROM FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE TO SUBMIT PLANS, TO GO THROUGH PLAN CHECK, TO GET IT THROUGH A PLANNER AT THE CITY, TO GET IT THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS, TO GET IT THROUGH EVERYTHING, THEN AGENDIZING IT AND BRINGING IT TO A COMMISSION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE AT LEAST NINE MONTHS, TEN MONTHS.

SO THIS ISN'T SO AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO THE PROCESS, IT'S NOT LIKE THE HOMEOWNER DECIDED ONE DAY I WANT TO AGENDIZE THIS AND GET THIS BUILT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QUITE A LOFTY PROCESS. AND I ALSO WILL REMIND, LIKE FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN STAFF BRINGS AN ITEM FOR US TO REVIEW, THEY'RE OKAYING IT ON THE STAFF'S END.

THIS ISN'T LIKE THE STAFF IS SAYING, OH, WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED.

OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE WITH IT, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BROUGHT TO US IN THE FIRST PLACE.

BUT THIS IS LIKE IT'S BROUGHT TO US AFTER THE STAFF HAVE REVIEWED ITS APPROPRIATENESS.

AND THEY'RE ASKING US TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, YES OR NO.

SO SO AGAIN. YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION AND GET THE, THE CLEAR ANSWER IS WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR IF WE'RE JUST HERE TO SAY, OH, WELL, THE STAFF ALREADY DID IT.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO AND THEY RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS.

THEN WHERE DO WE COME IN. AND I THINK I THINK THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

LIKE IT'S BUT I THINK THAT'S A SECONDARY I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT POINT BECAUSE THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION GOT ABSORBED BY THIS COMMISSION.

SO I THINK THAT'S ONE POINT. BUT I WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT STAFF IS ASKING US TO DO.

THEY THEY'RE ASKING US TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE MILLS ACT AND THE, THE OTHER COMPONENT TO IT [INAUDIBLE], I FORGET THE WORDING ESCAPES ME, BUT THEY ARE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO US.

NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO EITHER SAY YAY OR NAY.

IS THERE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THIS OR NOT? IF THE STAFF IS SAYING THAT THERE IS. AND I SAY, OR ANOTHER COMMISSIONER SAYS THAT PERSON SHOULDN'T BE A HISTORIC FIGURE, THAT'S OUR ARGUMENT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU CAN SPEAK TO US, DANA, IF YOU THINK THAT. WELL, I JUST I WOULD I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND I THINK YOUR COMMENTS, ALL OF THEM ARE VALID, AND I DO THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND MAYBE SEE WHAT THEIR RESOLUTION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS IS. BUT I DO YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE IT'S A VERY VALID.

AND I THINK THE PROCESS IS IMPORTANT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION WHEN THESE ITEMS ARE BROUGHT UP.

BUT CERTAINLY AS THE CHAIR BRINGS A MATTER TO OUR ATTENTION THAT USUALLY THESE ITEMS ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAVE HAVE VETTED.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, COMMUNITY INPUT IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE.

AND YOU RAISE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND THEY'RE VALID.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS MAYBE CONVEY THESE SENTIMENTS BACK TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND SEE WHAT THEIR GUIDANCE MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE.

AND MAY I ALSO ADD, DO YOU THINK IT'S WE'RE ABLE TO WITH RESPECT TO LIKE STAFF RESOURCES, NOT TO MAYBE HAVE A PERSON FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IF THEY WANT TO COME SPEAK TO THIS COMMISSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO CONSIDER IN ADDITION.

I, I WILL CONVEY THAT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, IF IT WAS A LIBRARY ISSUE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS IN SOME MANNER AND FASHION SO THAT THE PROCESS IS IS SMOOTH.

VOICES ARE HEARD, CONCERNS ARE HEARD. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE RESPECTING THE PROCESS.

SO I, I'M, I'M GETTING EVERYBODY'S INPUT NOW AND WILL CONVEY THAT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND SEE WHAT WHAT WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND AGAIN MAKE SURE THE VOICES AND CONCERNS ARE HEARD. BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS ADDRESSED.

I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO BECOME A RUBBER STAMP COMMISSION.

THERE'S THERE'S A REASON WHY WE'RE HERE. THERE'S A REASON WHY THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED.

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FOR EXAMPLE THAT HOUSE ON 510 GARNET AT THE LAST MEETING.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE GIVEN SOME INFORMATION BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, AND THAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE SEWER LINES.

AND TO ME, THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE, REASON FOR WHICH WHEN WE MADE THE MOTION, I WANTED IT TO BE SUBJECT TO A STUDY BEING DONE ON HOW THOSE SEWER LINES WERE GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS.

AND WE HAVE TO ALSO BE CAREFUL NOT TO INTERJECT OUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH BUILDING OUR OWN HOMES OR EXTENSIONS OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, AS, AS SUBSTANTIATION FOR WHY WE SHOULD JUST PUSH SOMETHING THROUGH SO THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH.

I WOULD ALSO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT I TAKE EXCEPTION TO ANY INDICATION THAT WE ARE RUBBER STAMPING ANYTHING.

THE FACT THAT THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO US IN WHAT IS THIS.

WE'RE IN MAY SO IT WAS BROUGHT TO US IN MARCH AND WE CONTINUED IT FOR APRIL.

SO WE'RE NOT RUBBER STAMPING ANYTHING OR THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THAT'S THE PURVIEW OF OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND I THINK OUR EXPERIENCES PROVIDE SIGNIFICANCE TO REVIEWING THESE ITEMS. IT PROVIDES CONTEXT TO IDENTIFYING LIKE WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING THROUGH AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT. I WANT TO ECHO MR. VINKE'S COMMENTS. I THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE CONVERSATION.

I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT TO REALLY GET THIS CONSOLIDATED COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD.

WE'RE ALL STILL TRYING TO FIND OUR PLACE WITH THIS CONSOLIDATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THIS IS NOT AN AGENDIZED TOPIC.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T GET TOO MUCH INTO THE CONVERSATION.

WE CAN CERTAINLY AGENDIZE IT FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION IF YOU'D LIKE TO.

WE CAN DO THAT. I KNOW DANA SAID THAT HE WOULD REFER THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING DEPARTMENT, EXCUSE ME. SO UNLESS WE WANTED AGENDIZE IT FURTHER, I WOULD I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT WE STOP TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOT FORMALLY ON THE AGENDA. FAIR ENOUGH.

I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO AGENDIZE IT. I FEEL LIKE I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION WITH THIS ASPECT OF THIS COMMISSION.

YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD SEE IT, MAYBE SEE IF YOU CAN BRING US AN UPDATE NEXT MEETING IF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SPEAK TO US MAYBE IN JULY. I WILL CONVEY THAT TO THEM. ABSOLUTELY.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BECAUSE THESE ITEMS TAKE A LONG TIME AND THEY ARE PRETTY SERIOUS STUFF THAT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BRING THESE ITEMS ON A DEDICATED MEETING FOR JUST THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHEREAS WE DON'T DO THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS SO WE CAN KIND OF DEDICATE TO THAT, AND THEN MAYBE EVERY OTHER MEETING OR EVERY TWO MEETINGS, IT BECOMES A MEETING THAT'S JUST DEDICATED TO THOSE ITEMS. WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY OR DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR AGENDA? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

AND AGAIN WE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE THIS TO A SEPARATE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.

IT PROBABLY WOULD FALL MOST LIKELY UNDER THE BYLAWS, BUT, IT'S A DISCUSSION AND A GOOD THOUGHT AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT. BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DO ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS GOOD.

AND THE CITY KIND OF THREW THIS ALL TOGETHER, BUT JUST KIND OF LOGISTICALLY, THE WAY THINGS WORK, WE KIND OF KEEP ON HAVING KIND OF A SIMILAR PROBLEM.

YEAH. MAYBE THEY'RE JUST. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ADDED ON THE AGENDA THAT WE TALK ABOUT JUST DIFFERENT IDEAS TO KIND OF FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A PROBLEM. YEAH. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE ASKING FOR HIM TO REACH OUT TO PLANNING AND THEN REPORT BACK TO US AT THE NEXT MEETING TO SEE IF WE CAN AGENDIZE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. I WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT WE WOULD BRING IT BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE OR STAFF TIME IS LIKE, SO WE CAN CONVEY THAT AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS SOON AS LOGISTICALLY POSSIBLE YOU BRING BACK AN ITEM WE RECOMMEND.

YOU KNOW THAT PLANNING BRINGS BACK A PRESERVATION ITEM THAT KIND OF ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS THAT WERE BROUGHT TONIGHT IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND WE JUST AGENDIZE IT AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THEY CAN COME IN JUNE OR IF THEY CAN'T COME IN JUNE,

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NO, IT'S MORE OF LIKE A, LIKE A SHOULD SHOULD WE JUST MOVE TO AGENDIZE IT FOR JUNE AND THEN IF THEY CAN COME.

NO, I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD WE SHOULDN'T AGENDIZE SOMETHING WITHOUT THEIR DISCUSSION.

I MEAN, WE WOULD PREFERABLY HAVE SOMEBODY FROM PLANNING COME HERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO AGENDIZE AN ITEM THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME.

I'D RATHER GET THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY CAN COME AND THEN AGENDIZE THE ITEM, RIGHT.

TYPICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, THE ITEM TONIGHT ON THE PARK RANGER WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN RECOMMENDED, I THINK A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT IT BE BROUGHT FORWARD ON THE AGENDA.

AND FORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO I THINK CERTAINLY WE TRY TO WE TRY TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY.

AND I CONVEY THAT TO TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND OF COURSE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON STAFF TIME AND AVAILABILITY, WE WOULD TRY TO MAKE IT. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO WHETHER THAT WOULD BE AT THE PREFERENCE JUNE MEETING OR JULY MEETING OR POTENTIALLY AUGUST, WE WOULD WANT TO BRING IT FORWARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT AN ITEM BE BROUGHT BACK REGARDING THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION'S OVERSIGHT OVERSIGHT AND THE VIEW OF THESE HISTORIC PROPERTIES, YOU'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I AM RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD BRING THAT BACK FOR, FOR FOR GUIDANCE ON THAT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M THINKING IT WOULD BE.

AND AGAIN, I'D WANT TO CONFER WITH THEM. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, JUST LIKE I WOULDN'T WANT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SPEAKING FOR THE LIBRARY, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE THEY'RE REALLY WELL VERSED ON THE LIBRARY BY NOW.

OH, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD JUST ASK FOR THEM TO COME, AND THEN THEY JUST COME WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

BUT YOU WANT US TO AGENDIZE ASKING FOR NEXT MONTH? LIKE, I'M UNCLEAR ON THE PROCESS. OH, OKAY. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, AGAIN, USING THE PARK RANGER ITEM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT TWO MONTHS AGO THEN I BELIEVE SO.

DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG AGO IT WAS, BUT WE DIDN'T.

IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS. I DON'T REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS. I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY THE COMMISSION THAT WE AGENDIZE THE PARK RANGER PROGRAM TO REVISIT IT. AND AND WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THAT ONE BACK.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST OR THE NEXT MONTH OR YOU IT JUST WAS FOR THE FUTURE.

OH, SO WE CAN SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO AGENDIZE THIS FOR THE FUTURE, AND THEN THEY WILL LET US KNOW WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

YEAH, BUT WE WOULD OF COURSE. DO YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WE AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LIBRARY, TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT WE WOULD JUST SAY FOR THE FUTURE.

AND THEN I WOULD CONVEY THAT TO THEM AND WE WOULD SEE WHAT WE WOULD WANT.

BUT THE ONLY THING I WOULD AGAIN, REQUEST IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICS AND THE WORD THAT COMES TO MY MIND.

I WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT FOR GUIDANCE ON ON THE PROCESS OR YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT YOU'VE ARTICULATED SOME CONCERNS. IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO ADDRESS, OR IS IT JUST ON THE OVERSIGHT PROCESS? I YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAILS, WE OR IF YOU INDIVIDUALLY WANT TO WITHOUT CREATING A QUORUM, WANT TO SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH SOME POINTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, I CAN CONVEY THAT TO THEM.

FOR ME, THAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE BECAUSE I WROTE DOWN A LOT OF NOTES ON THIS SUBJECT, THIS SUBJECT, TO JUST TO JUST KIND OF BRING UP BRIEFLY.

AND SO I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF COMING TO SOME SORT OF COLLECTIVE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE COULD AGENDIZE A DISCUSSION FOR, LIKE THE NEXT MEETING OR THE FUTURE MEETING IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, JUST A DISCUSSION ON TOPICS RELATED TO THAT.

AND THEN WE CAN EITHER HAVE A DISCUSSION OR NOT THAT NIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE AGENDIZED IF WE VOTED FOR IT, RIGHT? YEAH. I F I CAN OFFER JUST A QUICK INTERJECTION WITH THAT, I WANT IT TO BE THE MOST HELPFUL FOR YOU.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU DO WANT TO AGENDIZE SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE, THAT YOU'RE VERY SPECIFIC IN THE REQUEST, SO THAT THAT NEXT MEETING WILL HAVE A DETAILED REPORT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION THAT NIGHT. IF YOU JUST SAY, WE WANT TO HAVE A FUTURE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MILLS ACT, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S THERE'S NO LIKE END GOAL.

THERE'S NO LIKE RECOMMENDATION OR NO. AND THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THERE MAY BE INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH MILLS ACT THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT WON'T BE INCLUDED.

AND IF WE CAN'T ANSWER TO IT THAT NIGHT, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO DELAY FOR ANOTHER MEETING.

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IT WON'T DELAY THAT CONVERSATION ANOTHER MONTH.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS. WE DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT. WOULD A DISCUSSION BE HELPFUL WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS TO KIND OF GET THEIR INPUT ON MAYBE MAYBE THE DISCUSSION END POINT WOULD BE TO COME UP WITH THE SPECIFICS FOR TO SUBMIT TO STAFF TO THEN COME BACK.

RIGHT. I GUESS I GUESS AT THE CORE OF IT, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE HOPING TO GET OUT OF THIS NEXT PRESENTATION? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE MILLS ACT? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE ENTIRE PROCESS RELATED TO THOSE ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE YOU THAT ARE PRESERVATION RELATED? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE HOPING TO GET OUT OF THAT? AND THEN FROM THERE, WE COULD EITHER RESPOND TO IT IN THAT REPORT, OR WE CAN COME BACK WITH JUST GENERAL INFORMATION ON THE PROCESS AND WHATEVER IT IS.

I JUST I'M STILL UNCLEAR ON WHAT IT IS EXACTLY YOU'RE HOPING FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

OKAY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST TIME 510 GARNET CAME THROUGH THEY HAD REMOVED SOME WINDOWS ON THE FRONTAGE. OKAY. BUT I BELIEVE THE STAFF REPORT STILL SAID, LIKE I WE RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, THIS COMES UP FOR A REVIEW AND THEN YOU MOVE ON WITH THE PROCESS OR WHATEVER.

BUT THE THIS COMMISSION LOOKED AT THE RENDERING AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR ME IS IF THE STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, AND WE'RE KIND OF JUST SAYING, OH, WELL, THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. LIKE WE'RE JUST YOU KNOW, JUST HERE TO SAY YES. I WANT TO KNOW THAT. SO I DON'T WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME WITH QUESTIONS, AND I, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS AND WHAT WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DOING ALL THIS WORK AND THEY'RE COMING TO US AND THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, WE GOT IT TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE COMFORTABLE.

WHAT WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

AND I THINK I THINK WE'RE WE'RE THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A PRESERVATION COMMISSION COMPONENT BECAUSE IT DEALS WITH PROPERTY TAXES OR SOMETHING LIKE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M DOING THE BEST JOB THAT I CAN, AND I WANT TO KNOW IF YEAH, LIKE WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS.

I MEAN, MAYBE I SHOULD GO AND WATCH ANOTHER PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING AND SEE HOW THEY'RE OPERATING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CLARIFIES IT, BUT I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION.

SO IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE PRESERVATION ARM ASSIGNED TO THIS COMMISSION.

FOR ME, IT IS I DON'T I CAN'T TALK FOR THE REST OF THEM.

I WOULD AGREE AND I WOULD SPECULATE THAT OTHERS AS WELL, THAT ARE ABSENT TONIGHT MAY HAVE THE SAME.

I THINK WHAT WHAT I OBSERVED IS THAT WHEN WE CAME TOGETHER WITH THIS COMMISSION, WE HAVE REALLY 1 OR 2 EXPERTS.

I WOULD CALL YOU EXPERTS IN THIS AREA COMPARED TO ME AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO LEAN ON THEIR EXPERIENCES.

SO YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE STAFF CAN KIND OF GIVE US A, YOU KNOW, ONE ON ONE COURSE ON THE MILLS ACT OR YOU SPEND SOME TIME KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, BUT SOMETHING HELPFUL TO KIND OF PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS WITH THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE, WITH THE BEST GUIDANCE WE SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE TO THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE HERE MAKING THEIR APPLICATIONS.

SO IF I MAY, MAYBE MAYBE IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR ALL OF US TO COME UP WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED AND SEND THEM TO. WHAT'S THAT? AND THEN SUBMIT THAT.

AND THEN SUBMIT THAT TO STAFF. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FROM THERE TO SEE, YOU KNOW YOU CAN FIND OUT, YOU KNOW EITHER THEY CAN DIRECTLY ANSWER THEM, COME BACK AND PRESENT TO US.

REGARDING THE MILLS ACT THAT'S ALL WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.

AND YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE SOME READING UP ON THAT AS WELL.

SO ANY ANYTHING REGARDING THE MILLS ACT, WE WE CAN JUST STUDY ON OUR OWN.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, BOTHER STAFF AND TAKE UP THEIR TIME WITH THAT.

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I THINK IT MIGHT BE BEST AGENDA TOPIC AGAIN TO JUST I KNOW YOU'RE ALL AWARE, BUT IT BEARS REPEATING JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

IF YOU SEND ME THOSE THINGS INDIVIDUALLY, I CAN CONSOLIDATE THEM AND GET THEM TO PLANNING.

AND THEN BETWEEN US, WE CAN DETERMINE MAYBE HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THEM.

AND IT MIGHT BE JUST THAT THOSE QUESTIONS GET ANSWERED.

BUT IT MIGHT BE ALSO, I'M THINKING IT MIGHT BE AN ITEM FOR FOR DISCUSSION OR BEING BROUGHT BACK.

SO. SO RIGHT NOW I THINK YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.

I THINK A RECOMMENDATION AND WE CAN CONVEY THIS INDIVIDUALLY TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO SEND ME DIRECTLY YOUR QUESTIONS, AS WE HAD SAID BEFORE. AND THEN I WILL CONSOLIDATE THEM AND DISCUSS WITH THE DEPARTMENT HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THEM.

SO YOU'LL YOU'LL SEND A FOLLOW UP EMAIL TO ALL OF US SO THAT WE ALL HAVE THAT SAME EMAIL THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT CAME UP DURING OUR MEETING. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY WON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT UNLESS THEY'RE WATCHING OUR MEETING WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT, I CAN REACH OUT INDIVIDUALLY TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS ITEM CAME UP, SUMMARIZE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, INVITE THEM TO WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE AND THEN TO SEND ME DIRECTLY AS LIAISON, ANY SORT OF QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THEY MIGHT HAVE THAT RELATE TO THIS DISCUSSION.

AND THEN AGAIN, I CAN CONSOLIDATE THAT AND DISCUSS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OR CONVEY THAT TO THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAN DECIDE HOW MAYBE BEST TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM O ADJOURNMENT. SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.