Jun 19, 2025 Planning Commission

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OH, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. SORRY, I'M ON SOMETHING ELSE FOR JUNE 19TH.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL FIRST. COMMISSIONER LIGHT.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

COMMISSIONER GADDIS. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CONROY .

HERE. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE HERE. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG.

HERE. PRESENT. OKAY. NEXT, WE WILL SALUTE THE FLAG.

MR. CONROY, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO LEAD US? READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA.

[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]

[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]

OKAY. YOU GUYS GOT THEM? YEAH, WE RECEIVED THOSE, AND WE GOT THE EMAIL.

OKAY. IT'S ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE WILL NOW START OUR CONSENT CALENDAR.

[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]

COMMISSION MEMBERS MAY REQUEST THAT ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM BE REMOVED, DISCUSSED, AND ACTED UPON SEPARATELY.

ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE TAKEN UP UNDER THE EXCLUDED CONSENT CALENDAR SECTION BELOW. THOSE ITEMS REMAINING ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION. THE CHAIR WILL CALL ON ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PULLED BY THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE, AND COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF THREE MINUTES.

ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? NO ONE PRESENT. NO ONE ONLINE. THERE ARE NO ATTENDEES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS.

VERY GOOD. AND NEXT FOR WE HAVE. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AND NEXT, WE HAVE APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 15TH. AND AGAIN, A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE.

I'M SORRY. THAT IS INCLUDED. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THIS AGENDA FOR ACTION.

THIS SECTION IS LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE WRITTEN.

REQUEST, IF ANY, WILL BE CONSIDERED FIRST UNDER THE SECTION.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT TURNED IN THE CARD OR WANTS TO SPEAK ONLINE ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? THERE ARE NO ATTENDEES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

VERY GOOD. AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED AND FILED WRITTEN COMMENTS, BUT THERE'S NONE ON THAT ACTUALLY.

NEXT WOULD BE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO ALLOW OFFICIALS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVEAL ANY DISCLOSURE OR EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC

[I. EX PARTE COMMUNICATION]

NOTHING TO DISCLOSE OR ANYTHING. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.

DITTO. VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER CONROY, NOTHING TO DISCLOSE.

AND COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE, I SPOKE WITH CHAIR CRAIG AND ALSO THE PUBLIC.

AND LIKEWISE, I SPOKE WITH COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

VERY GOOD. SO WE SHALL NOW START OUR PUBLIC. MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING J.1.

[J. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS ITEM OVER TO OUR SENIOR PLANNER, STEVEN GIANG, AND HE'LL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION FOR TONIGHT'S FOR THIS ITEM.

WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE AS WELL.

GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS STEVEN. I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM TONIGHT, ITEM J.1, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF AN EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND VARIANCE FOR REDUCED FRONT YARD SETBACK, REDUCE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND REDUCE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE FOR FIRST AND SECOND STORY ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE LOCATED ON A PROPERTY AT 811 SPENCER STREET, WITHIN A LOW DENSITY MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 811 SPENCER STREET BETWEEN NORTH ARENA AVENUE AND EL REDONDO.

THE LOT IS APPROXIMATELY 2980FT² IN SIZE, WITH AN APPROXIMATE LOT DIMENSION OF 55FT ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE,

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THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS R-3, ITS LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS THE ZONING FOR ALL SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 2058FT² AND INCLUDES A TWO CAR GARAGE AND WAS BUILT AROUND 1963. THE VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED TO ALLOW A REDUCTION IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, SIDE YARD SETBACK, AND THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE REQUIREMENT DUE TO SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVING THE LOTS SUB STANDARD SIZE AND THE REGULAR SHAPE.

THE SUBJECT LOT WAS CREATED WHEN THE LOT AT 213 NORTH ARENA AVENUE AND THE SUBJECT LOT WAS SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO.

THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS A LEGAL NONCONFORMING REAR YARD, SETBACK FRONT YARD, AND NORTHERN SIDE YARD SETBACK.

THE EXISTING SOUTH SIDE SETBACK MEETS THE REQUIRED FIVE FEET FOR THE MODERN CODE AND IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOME, THE PROPERTY ALSO HAS TWO DETACHED REAR STORAGE SHEDS, AND THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REMODEL THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING SECOND STORY OVER THE EXISTING TWO CAR GARAGE AS A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION THERE, ALSO INCLUDING A FIRST FLOOR ADDITION AND CHANGING THE ORIENTATION AND APPROACH OF THE EXISTING TWO CAR GARAGE FROM AN INDIRECT DRIVEWAY TO A DIRECT DRIVEWAY.

THEY'RE ALSO ADDING A NEW BALCONY AND A NEW FRONT PORCH.

ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REMOVING TWO REAR SHEDS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CREATING MORE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE, RESULTING IN A TOTAL OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE AREA OF 583FT².

IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE ADDITIONS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT AND THE SIDE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS ADDITION WILL MATCH THE EXISTING FRONT FACADE FOR THE RESIDENCE, AND WILL NOT BE INCREASING THE NONCONFORMITY FURTHER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.

ADDITIONALLY, THE REMOVAL OF THE SHEDS WILL ALSO LESSEN THE NONCONFORMITY OF THE LOT ITSELF BY INCREASING THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE FROM APPROXIMATELY 300FT² TO 583FT². THE ZONING CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES AN 800 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE.

STAFF IS OF THE OPINION THAT THE VARIANCE IS JUSTIFIED DUE TO A NUMBER OF SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES APPLICABLE TO THE PROJECT PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY HAS A SUBSTANDARD SIZE AND SHAPE.

TYPICALLY, IN THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL LOT, INCLUDING AN R3 LOT, IS 5000FT². HOWEVER, THIS LOT WAS CREATED AT 2980FT².

THE DEPTH OF THE LOT IS ALSO CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD.

IN THE R3 ZONING, THE LOTS ARE TYPICALLY AT 100FT² MINIMUMS. HOWEVER, THIS LOT HAS TWO, BOTH PROPERTY LINES ARE BOTH SUBSTANDARD, SO YOU HAVE A 72 FOOT NORTHERN SIDE LOT LENGTH AND A 48FT SOUTHERN SIDE LOT LENGTH. AND THEN LASTLY, THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT, IS CURRENTLY NONCONFORMING AND SUBSTANDARD. AND SO THE REMOVAL OF THE SHEDS WILL ALSO ALLEVIATE THE NONCONFORMITY.

HERE'S THE SITE PLAN OF THE PROJECT. THE RED LINE SIGNIFIES THE CLOSEST POINT IN WHICH THE HOUSE WILL BE TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.

THE ADDITION AGAIN IS NOT INCREASING THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY, BUT IS MATCHING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO THE FRONT PROPERTY PROPERTY LINE. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE NORTHERN RED LINE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE NORTHERN PART OF THE HOUSE IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE AS IT STANDS, BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT IS A 15FT OFF THE FRONT.

HOWEVER, DUE TO THE SLANTED SHAPE OF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, THE HOUSE DOES NOT MEET THE FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE ONE PART OF THE HOUSE IS AT 9.1FT AND THE OTHER HOUSE IS AT 16.5. THE NORTHERN SIDE SETBACK OF THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT 4.8FT, AND THE ADDITIONS WILL ALSO MATCH THE EXISTING FACADE AT 4.8FT.

KEEP IN MIND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE. SETBACKS ARE FIVE FEET.

NO CONSTRUCTION IS PROPOSED AT THE REAR FACADE, EXCEPT FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE SHEDS, AND ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE THEY WILL MEET THE REQUIRED FIVE FOOT SETBACK WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS OF THE FRONT PORCH.

HERE ARE THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLANS. THE FIRST STORY ADDITIONS WILL CONSIST OF A NEW ENTRYWAY FROM THE PROPOSED PORCH AND THEN CHANGING THE ORIENTATION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR SO THAT IT'S A DIRECT ACCESS DRIVEWAY. THE GARAGE WILL HAVE ITS DOORS REMOVED FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE TO THE WESTERN SIDE,

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ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE ADDITIONS WILL CONSIST OF A 482 SQUARE FOOT MASTER BEDROOM, WHICH INCLUDES ALSO A LAUNDRY ROOM, A NOOK, AND A 107 SQUARE FOOT BALCONY.

HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROJECT. THE GREEN ARE THE NEW PROPOSED ADDITIONS COMPARED TO WHAT'S EXISTING THERE NOW.

TO CLARIFY, THE REAR ELEVATION EAST, THAT GREEN ON THE FAR BOTTOM LEFT IS JUST THE FRONT PORCH THAT YOU CAN SEE PEEKING FROM THE REAR FROM THE BACKYARD.

AS A PART OF THE VARIANCE FINDING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST FIND THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S IRREGULAR SHAPE, SUB STANDARD SIZE AND DEPTH, AND EXISTING SETBACK ENCROACHMENTS CREATE UNIQUE HARDSHIPS JUSTIFYING RELIEF FROM THE STANDARD YARD AND OUTDOOR SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPROVAL CONDITIONED ON MATCHING THE NEW ADDITIONS, SETBACKS, EXISTING NONCONFORMITY AND REMOVING TWO REAR SHEDS TO EXPAND USABLE OUTDOOR AREA PREVENTS ANY UNWARRANTED PRIVILEGES. AND THE LAST FINDING IS THAT GRANTING THE VARIANCE ADVANCES THE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES RELATED TO PRESERVING ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AND ENCOURAGING COMPATIBLE INFILL BY ALLOWING MODEST SCALE APPROPRIATE ADDITIONS AND IMPROVING ON SITE OPEN SPACE WITHOUT UNDERMINING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OR PUBLIC WELFARE. ADDITIONALLY, THE MAP ON THE RIGHT SHOWS MULTIPLE DOTS.

THE DOTS IN THE GREEN ARE PREVIOUS VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED DUE TO SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES.

THE THE DOT TO THE NORTH WAS THE VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED SOMETIME IN THE 60S, AND THE DOT TO THE SOUTH WAS A VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED AROUND 2019.

THE YELLOW LOTS. THE YELLOW DOTS ARE JUST OTHER SUBSTANDARD LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 5000FT² IDENTIFIED BY STAFF.

JUST SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN SEE THAT THIS AREA IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE AND IT'S DENSE IN TERMS OF SUBSTANDARD LOTS AND DENSITIES FOR IT.

IN CONCLUSION, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND GRANT THE VARIANCE SUBJECT TO THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE ATTACHED DRAFT RESOLUTION. THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? MR. BOSWELL, MR. BOSWELL. SO IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE'S NOTHING NEW AS FAR AS THESE SETBACKS.

THESE ARE THE SAME SETBACKS THAT EXISTS NOW. YES.

AND THEY WILL BE THE SAME SETBACKS ONCE THE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED, RIGHT? YES. THE ONLY. NO CHANGE. THE ONLY REAL CHANGE IS GOING TO BE THE SOUTHERN SETBACK.

THEY ARE INCREASING THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY ARE STILL CONFORMING WITH THE ZONING CODE.

THE SOUTHERN SETBACK, WHICH IS THAT. THE PORT SIDE.

NO, IT'S THE SOUTHERN SETBACK IS GOING TO BE HERE.

I HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF IT ON. THE BOTTOM OF THE OF, ON THE BOTTOM.

SO THIS PORCH HERE? YES, IT'S IN THERE NOW. THEY'RE TAKING THEM OUT.

YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FOOTPRINT.

YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. I'M DONE.

INDEED. COMMISSIONER CONROY. FIRST QUESTION, WE SAW SOME THINGS FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FORMAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

IN TERMS OF EMAILS, ONLY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED WERE THE E-COMMENTS THAT CAME IN THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED AS A BLUE FOLDER ITEM.

I'M SORRY . WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY EMAILS OR LETTERS IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST THE PROJECT BESIDES THE BLUE FOLDER ECOMMENT THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED.

OKAY. SHALL I GO ON, PLEASE? THE LOTS ON EITHER SIDE AREN'T OF THIS, AREN'T SPLIT.

DO DO WE KNOW WHY THIS SPLIT WAS ALLOWED WAY BACK WHEN CREATING TWO NONCONFORMING LOTS? YEAH. SO THE SPLIT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE 60S.

AND SO WHAT LIKELY HAPPENED WAS THAT THE ZONING CODE BACK THEN DIDN'T, THIS WAS LEGAL BACK THEN.

BUT THROUGHOUT THE DECADES, THE ZONING CODE CHANGES IN MINIMUM LOT SIZE WERE CREATED SO THAT WE THE ESSENTIALLY THE CODE CREATED THE NONCONFORMITY AS TIME WENT ON.

OKAY. WITH THIS BEING R-3, IS THERE ANY DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THESE ADDITIONS MUST MEET HER OBJECTIVE STANDARD.

YEAH, IT JUST NEEDS TO MEET THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.

BUT THIS PROJECT, SINCE IT'S MIRRORING CLOSELY TO WHAT'S EXISTING THERE NOW, WE STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT MEETS THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.

OKAY. AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT VERIFIED THAT THE REORIENTED GARAGE IS GOING TO MEET THE CURRENT

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YES. WE CONFIRMED WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION AND WITH THE SENIOR ENGINEER THAT THE DRIVEWAY FLIP AND CHANGE WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY ISSUES.

ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS WERE ADDED TO REGARDING REPLACING THE CURB CUT BY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.

AND THAT WAS IT. OKAY. THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

CORRECT? I DON'T THINK THERE IS. YEAH, IT'S MAINLY THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THERE NOW RIGHT AWAY.

YEAH. AND SO THERE WAS CONDITIONS ALSO ADDED, I BELIEVE, THAT ENSURED THAT PARKING DOESN'T ENCROACH INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THE DRIVEWAY MEETS THE MINIMUM LENGTH FOR DRIVEWAYS ON ONE SIDE ONLY OR BOTH SIDES.

BOTH SIDES. THE MINIMUM LENGTH FOR A DRIVEWAY IN THE CITY IS NINE FEET, AND IT'S 9.1, AND IT'S ON THE SHORTER SIDE, SO THEY WOULD QUALIFY TO BE ABLE TO PARK CARS.

TWO CARS ON THAT DRIVEWAY. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT THERE'S SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GO PAST THE PROPERTY LINE INTO THE.

CORRECT. TECHNICALLY, THEY WOULD FALL UNDER A PARKING ENFORCEMENT AT THAT POINT AND THEY COULD BE CITED FOR PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OKAY. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT APPROVING THIS MIGHT OPEN THE DOOR FOR SIMILAR REQUESTS? ARE WE KIND OF SETTING A PRECEDENT BY DOING THIS? NO, PRECEDENT HAS ALREADY I WOULD SAY PRECEDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET BY THE TWO VARIANCES THAT WERE APPROVED AND THE NATURE OF THE LOTS THAT WERE CREATED BEFORE THE ZONING CODE HAD THE MINIMUMS. IT'S NOT, IT'S PLAUSIBLE TO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL SEE FUTURE VARIANCES FOR THIS AREA FOR SIMILAR REASONS FROM THE OTHER YELLOW DOTS. IF THEY EVER DECIDE TO REDEVELOP THEIR HOMES.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GREAT COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.

YEAH, I DO THINK THERE WAS A HOUSE THAT WE HAD IN THIS AREA ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO WITH THE SAME SITUATION, AND WE'VE ALSO HAD HOUSES THAT DIDN'T HAVE A SMALL LOT LINE.

I MEAN, A SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE DID NOT GRANT VARIANCES, BUT IN THIS CASE YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT REALLY CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT TERRIBLY MUCH BECAUSE THERE'S A, I DROVE BY IT, THERE'S A GARAGE.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THE GARAGE IS, I THINK, A BALCONY.

YEAH. AND COULD WE TALK TO THE APPLICANT? SURE.

OKAY. SO THE ONLY THING THAT I REALLY NOTICED WHEN I WAS DRIVING AROUND THERE AND SOMETHING WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT, OR DRIVING AROUND JUST IN THAT PART OF SPENCER STREET IS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREENERY THERE.

YOU KNOW, WITH THE TEN FOOT ON ONE SIDE, THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TO PUT A HEDGE AND THEN SIX FOOT IN THE BACK YOU COULD DO AND I AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY KIND OF LANDSCAPING IDEAS OR. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM ABOUT THAT.

CERTAINLY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK, I FIRST HAVE TO SWEAR YOU INTO.

BOTH OF US SAYING, YOU JUST HAVE TO SWEAR YOURSELF, IN ORDER TO TESTIFY.

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO, I DO.

THANK YOU. AND IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THAT'D BE GREAT.

YEAH. SO, WHAT DID YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR LANDSCAPING? FOR OUR FRONT YARD? YEAH. SO INITIALLY, IF YOU WE HAVE A RENDERING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU IF PLANNING GOT, THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS RENDERING.

SO IT'S AN INITIAL THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC YET AT THIS POINT, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO BRING ON ONE, HAVE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT LOOK AT IT. IF THAT'S SOMETHING A CONCERN.

WELL, IT IS. SO ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT WE NOT HAVE ANY ARTIFICIAL TURF, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THERE, IF YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK AROUND, YOU GUYS NEED SOME HEIGHT.

SO A HEDGE . YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, THE HOUSE THAT'S BEHIND YOU.

WHEN THEY SPLIT THE LOT, YOU TWO LOOK RIGHT INTO EACH OTHER'S.

NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE ANY VEGETATION IN THE BACKYARD.

HAVE EITHER OF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING ANYTHING? HAVE YOU LIVED THERE A WHILE? YEAH. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT BACKYARD? WELL, YOU HAVE TO SIT.

YOU. SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR SIX FEET? RIGHT.

YEAH. IT'S. YOU'RE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING. SO I KNOW FOR A FACT, BECAUSE I'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A HEDGE IN A SIDE YARD. YEAH.

AND IT'S REALLY DOABLE. AND WHAT ELSE IS DOABLE IS JUST TO GROW A VINE UP THAT SO THAT, I MEAN, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE LOOKING INTO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD? SO IT'S JUST MAYBE SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT FOR BEAUTIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT ALSO BRINGS BIRDS IN. YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT.

SO. AND YOU HAVE TEN FEET ON THE SIDE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR DOOR AT, YOUR FRONT DOOR AT.

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AND THEN OVERSIZE THE HOUSE. BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF OPTIONS.

BUT I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK AROUND.

IT'LL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THE FOUR HOUSES IN A ROW THAT IT LOOKS VERY BARREN.

OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. CURRENTLY YOU SAW THAT WE HAVE LIKE A GIANT HEDGE THERE NOW WITH A DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT.

BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S COMING OUT. WE'LL DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT IT. YOU HAVE A HEDGE THERE, ALONG WITH TWO SAGO PALMS AND A PALM TREE, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE.

RIGHT. YEAH. SO IT SEEMS LIKE. RIGHT. IF IT COMES OUT, IF THAT ALL GOES AWAY, TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S NO HEIGHT AT ALL. SO IF YOU DROVE BY THE PROPERTY, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO HOUSES WHERE IT'S SPLIT AND THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES. THERE'S NOT ONE LITTLE BIT OF VEGETATION AT ALL, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT'S SIX FEET. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THAT TO BRING HEIGHT UP SO THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SOME VEGETATION AND NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S SO IMPORTANT AS WE KNOW GREAT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO BEYOND LOOKING AT IT, CAN WE GET A COMMITMENT FROM YOU TO REPLACE WITH AT LEAST THREE TREES FROM THE ONES YOU'RE REMOVING? WELL, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC. NOT THAT IT'S A BUSY STREET.

IT'S NOT A BUSY STREET, BUT I WOULD, THE IDEA MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, ESPECIALLY NEARER THE HOUSE BUT CLOSER TO THE STREET.

I THINK THAT WOULD NOT NOT BE AS, AS GOOD AS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE. I CAN ONLY LOOK AT THIS. YEAH.

WHAT. WHERE THE WALKWAY IS FOR EXAMPLE. OKAY.

AND THAT'S TEN FEET. SO LET'S SAY YOU PUT WHATEVER KIND OF TREE I MEAN IT'S JUST A SMALLER SOMETHING LIKE ALONG THE BOTTOM, LIKE BY THE FENCE. IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE BY YOUR SOUTH FENCE? SOUTH FENCE. YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD. I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. LANDSCAPING MAKES A HOUSE.

RIGHT. AND SO, I MEAN, AS AN ARCHITECT, YOU PROBABLY DON'T THINK THAT.

NO, NO, BUT I DO I AGREE I CAN I YEAH YEAH I THINK OH SURE.

YEAH BY ALL MEANS.

WE INITIALLY WAS AGAIN. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT.

NO WE DON'T. NO, WE DIDN'T GET THAT. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT'S SO.

IS THIS YOUR IDEA OR IS THAT WHAT'S THERE NOW? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU PUT IT ON THE. YEAH, IT'S ON THE BOARD NOW. HERE. HOW YOU HAVE A LITTLE TREE RIGHT HERE.

OH, THERE YOU GO. THERE ON THE LEFT. RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. BEAUTIFUL. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONDITION THAT WE'LL ADD.

THIS IS A CONDITION THAT. AND IT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW.

AND I'D LIKE ALSO FOR YOU TO GO YOU KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO PUT A TREE IN THE BACKYARD.

THAT COULD BE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO AHEAD OR WHATEVER.

WELL, IT'LL GET UP TO 30FT, BUT IT'S 20FT NOW, SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YES. YOU HAVE TO TRIM IT, BUT IT WILL FIT THERE.

NO, IT'S OKAY. SO JUST AN IDEA. MAKES SENSE. WE SEEM TO HAVE DIFFERENT PICTURES, AND I THINK THAT PICTURE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

PAGE 61 OF THE PACKET. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH.

OH IT'S THE. OH, THERE IT IS. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING. YEAH. THIS IS THE PRESENTATION. PRESENTATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN 61 OTHER PACKS.

YEAH. YEAH. AND IS THAT ON THAT 61? IS THAT TREE THAT'S THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THE OTHER PROPERTY OR THAT'S JUST YOU PUT THAT IN THERE.

YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT NOW NOTHING'S THERE RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S FANTASTIC. IT'S VERY NAKED, BUT IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.

NOT THERE. I HAVE THE ROOM FOR A TREE. TREES LIKE THAT.

I DON'T THINK. THEY ACTUALLY DID HAVE A GIANT TREE.

THEY HAD TO GET IT REMOVED. OH, YEAH. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THAT. WHAT ABOUT THAT PALM? IS THAT PALM ALREADY THERE? THERE IS A PALM UP FRONT.

IS THAT THE ONE THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE RENDERING? NOT 100% PALM.

THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE. YEAH, IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S STILL THERE WITH THE DRIVEWAY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT, I THINK.

YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT COULD. THERE IS A PALM CLOSER TO THE UTILITY POLE.

SO FURTHER. FURTHER ON THE FURTHER SOUTH? YES.

FURTHER SOUTH. NO. EXISTING PALM TREE. UTILITY POLE.

HERE. OKAY. AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE. SO IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OVER THERE.

IT'S OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE. WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

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THAT SAYS PROPERTY LINE. RIGHT. OR IS THIS JUST A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY? OH, THERE WE ARE, COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE FULL DISCLOSURE.

I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN YOUR HOUSE NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE.

WHEN IT WAS FOR SALE IN 2017 AND 2018, I HAD A CLIENT.

I ACTUALLY LOOKED THROUGH IT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES. SO I WAS VERY I WAS LIKE, I THINK I'VE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE AND I LOOKED AND I ACTUALLY SAW IT, BUT I WANTED TO JUST SHOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE, THIS IS JUST LIKE A GOOGLE STREET VIEW, BUT THIS IS LIKE A I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON THE STREET, JUST LIKE IF YOU STOOD IN THE MIDDLE AND DID A 360.

SO IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS LOOKING NORTH, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK TO THE SIDE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HEDGE THAT COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT SMALL PALM, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE GOING. AND THEN TURNING AROUND AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT A MIX OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSES THERE. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A, YOU KNOW, REALLY HOMOGENOUS NEIGHBORHOOD. A LOT OF THINGS THERE. THERE'S EVEN APARTMENT BUILDING, AS YOU SEE, TO THE LEFT ON THE SIDE THERE.

AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF TURNING AROUND. SO OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A .

WAYNE. IS THERE ANY WAY TO SEE WHAT'S TO THE RIGHT OF THIS SOUTH OF THAT, OR IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT GOT BLURRED OUT WHEN I LOOKED AT ON THE GOOGLE MAP. OKAY.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS GOT A BETTER SHOT OF IT.

WELL, ACTUALLY, HERE, I COULD SHOW YOU A THIS IS WHEN THE HOUSE WAS STILL LAST TIME ON THE MLS.

YEAH. SO THIS IS, THIS IS I THINK FROM 2018, THOUGH IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE WAYS OUT.

LET'S SEE IF WE GOT ANOTHER ONE HERE. BUT YOU GET AN IDEA.

ON THE RIGHT. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT. THERE'S NOTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOT.

THERE'S NOT THAT TREE THAT YOU SEE. THERE'S GONE ON THE BACK SIDE.

THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN THE OTHER SPLIT SIDE OF THE LOT AND IT.

IT LOOKS VERY BARREN. SO DEFINITELY LANDSCAPING.

AND THERE'S LIKE THE BACKYARD. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST PICTURE OF THE GARAGE REAL QUICK, WAYNE? SURE.

LET ME GO BACK HERE. THAT ONE. A LITTLE BIT. YEAH.

QUESTION. SEE HOW YOU'VE GOT THE PLANTERS ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE GARAGE? THAT THAT ALL GOES AWAY FOR THE NEW DOOR. YOU'RE NOT EXTENDING THE GARAGE OUT AT ALL.

RIGHT. TO WHERE THOSE PLANTERS ARE. OKAY. JUST MOVING IT TO THE SIDE, ACTUALLY, ISN'T IT? YEAH.

THOSE ACTUALLY DON'T EXIST. THAT'S FROM PRIOR.

YEAH. THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] OKAY. I THINK IT WAS 2018.

I THINK IT WAS. YEAH. YEAH. SO I MEAN, JUST SOME OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT.

I THINK HAVING GONE THROUGH THE HOUSE BEFORE TOO, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

CERTAINLY. WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BE MORE VALUE TO YOU AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOUR FAMILY IN THE FUTURE.

SO TO ME, IT SEEMS TO FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT YOU KNOW, A GIANT MCMANSION AND A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORHOOD OF SMALL LITTLE BUNGALOWS.

AND IT'S CERTAINLY IT'S A VERY UNUSUALLY SHAPED PLOT.

AND AS YOU SAW ON THE MAPS AND I THINK I CAN SHOW YOU ON THIS AS WELL WHEN YOU GET THIS THING BACK HERE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.

SURE. LET ME PULL THIS UP FOR A SECOND. SURE. HAZELTINE. WHAT WOULD YOU WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE CONDITION TO LOOK LIKE RELATED TO THE. WELL, I THINK IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO JUST RECOMMEND THAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THE PICTURE THAT THEY PUT IN THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR RENDITION. IF I MAY COMMISSION, I DRAFTED A CONDITION IF WE WANT TO.

GO AHEAD. CAN YOU TRY THIS OUT? SO, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE FORM OF HEDGE AND OR CLIMBING VINES IN THE REAR AND SOUTHERN SIDE YARDS, AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AS ILLUSTRATED IN THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS.

PERFECT. YEAH. GREAT. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE WE DO ACTUALLY TEND TOWARDS NATIVES.

CALIFORNIA NATIVES. SO JUST FYI, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN THE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STUFF.

YEAH. ANYBODY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE CONCERNS? OKAY. COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER CONROY. FIRST QUESTION.

DID YOU GUYS EXPLORE ANY DESIGN? WELL, NEVER MIND.

YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, SO THAT WOULDN'T APPLY.

ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT TO NO FURTHER EXPANSIONS BEYOND THIS REQUEST? YEAH. HOW WOULD YOU DO THE EXPANSION? LIKE ADDITIONS? ADDITIONAL ADDITIONS LIKE OUTSIDE OF UNDERGROUND PACKAGES OR ANYTHING.

YEAH, I MIGHT WANT TO CLARIFY. THEY DO HAVE ALLOWABLE AREAS THAT COULD HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT BASED ON SETBACKS.

THERE IS THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE ISSUE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING PROVISIONS AND SEE IF THERE WAS SOME OTHER ZONING ORDINANCE REGULATIONS THAT SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO DEVELOP.

AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING STILL THERE, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION TRIED TO INFRINGE UPON THAT.

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COMMISSIONER TO FIVE FEET. IT'S A SIDE SETBACK.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WOULD WE COULDN'T DO THAT.

EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALLOWING NONCONFORMING ON ONE SIDE, WE CAN'T GET THEM TO COMMIT TO NOT EXPANDING ON ANOTHER.

NO, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT'S IN CHARGE AT THAT TIME.

IF THEY WERE TO COME AND ASK FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET, COULD SAY NO.

RIGHT. AND WE'RE ALSO SUBJECT TO CHANGES FROM LAWS TO WITH SACRAMENTO.

WE MAY BE MOOT IN THE FUTURE IF THEY HAVE THEIR WAY.

YEAH, THAT SORT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT.

THE FACT THAT THIS OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE IS VERY LIMITED, AND WHEN YOU'RE A HALF LOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF OUTDOOR SPACE THERE.

SO I THINK THAT KIND OF LIMITS WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE.

YEAH, I THINK YES. BUT YEAH, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS OF THIS, GIVEN THIS MANDATE FROM THE STATE, UNLESS WE CAN GET SOME OF THAT REVERSED BY INITIATIVE, COULD THAT COME IN AND SAY YOU COULD PUT TWO BUILDINGS ON THIS SIDE? I MEAN, IT'S NOT RADICALLY. WELL, YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT LAW WOULD SAY.

RIGHT. THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH ANY LOT IN THE CITY AT THIS POINT.

ANY LOT IN THE CITY CAN BE SET BY AT LEAST TWO AND MAYBE FOUR IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT.

RIGHT. AND THERE'S BEEN OTHER ONES AND AN ADU YOU PLUS THAT TWO.

BUT DON'T THEY HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES.

I MEAN, THIS IS A SKINNY LOT. SO I REMEMBER WE LEARNED THAT MOST OF THE LOTS IN THE CITY WOULD NEVER EVEN WORK BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT BRANDY WAS SAYING ALL THE TIME.

YOU KNOW, THEY. OKAY, HERE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

ON PROSPECT. WE'RE GOING OFF TOPIC. THEY DID THEY DID TAKE THE LOT RAN THE FRONT OF PROSPECTS.

SO THEY IF YOU LOOK ON PROSPECT AND NOB HILL JUST GO SOUTH OF NOB HILL ON PROSPECT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DID DO IT.

BUT REMEMBER BRANDY HAD TOLD US THERE WAS ONLY A COUPLE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. YOU CAN SEE THEY PUT THREE HOUSES BECAUSE THE HOUSE RAN FROM ON AVENUE A, IT RAN FROM TOWARD FROM FROM, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE, IT RAN FROM SOUTH, NORTH TO SOUTH.

I'M MAKING THIS DIFFICULT. ON PROSPECT. THEY DIVIDED IT THREE TIMES, RIGHT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, WAYNE. YEAH.

SO IT'S GONE IN. THREE ARE UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.

THEY ALL HAVE SEPARATE ENTRANCES, BUT THAT'S A RARITY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT LIKE THAT.

YEAH. AND SO. SO I MEAN, LIKE, WE'RE KIND OF GOING TO HYPOTHETICALS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A BILL THAT CAME UP RECENTLY WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO ALLOW UP TO EIGHT UNITS TO BE BUILT ON EVERY SINGLE LOT. THAT WAS DEFEATED.

BUT WHO'S TO SAY MORE OF THOSE WILL NOT COME UP? WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL THE FUTURE BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE HERE RIGHT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. YEAH.

I'LL JUST FINISH MY THOUGHT. THIS LOOKS VERY REASONABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO.

IT'S NOT CHANGING THE SETBACKS. AND ALSO I AGREE.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TOO. LIKE I SAID, IT'S LIKE I SAID, HAVING BEEN THROUGH THE HOUSE, I KNOW IT SOUNDS STRANGE, BUT I WENT THROUGH THE HOUSE. I THINK I THINK WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING, CERTAINLY WITH IMPROVEMENT TO IT.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ANYONE ELSE HERE? I THINK WAYNE'S GOING TO MAKE THEM. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER GADDIS IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT. OH, OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

WE DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE. OH. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE? IS THERE ANY COMMENTATORS ONLINE? WE HAVE TWO ATTENDEES, BUT NO ONE IS REQUESTING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.

THAT'S HIS WIFE AND MY STAFF. [LAUGHTER] OH, OKAY.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT J.1 PC25-0920.

WITH THE CONDITION OF AS SEAN STATED. CONDITION 16 ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION. I'M HAPPY TO READ IT. YEAH.. THANK YOU.

ADDITIONAL NATIVE LANDSCAPING. OKAY. IN THE FORM OF HEDGE, A HEDGE AND OR CLIMBING VINES IN THE REAR AND SOUTHERN SIDE YARDS AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, AS ILLUSTRATED IN THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS IN THE FRONT YARD.

YES. THAT'S IT. SECOND. I SECOND IT. OKAY, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

COMMISSIONER LIGHT. AYE. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.

YES. COMMISSIONER YOUNG. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.

AYE. COMMISSIONER CONROY. CAN I ASK STAFF A QUESTION BEFORE I VOTE, OR IS IT TOO LATE FOR THAT? WE HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T CLOSED COMMENT WITH STAFF YET.

YOU CAN. I BELIEVE YOU CAN. WE HAVEN'T CUT OFF COMMENT.

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YES. OKAY. KNOWING THAT, I VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. YES. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG.

YES. MOTION CARRIES. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM K ITEMS. CONTINUE FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS. ANYTHING WE HAVE CONTINUED.

YEAH. BYE. HAVE FUN. SO, DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS TO CONTINUE FROM ANY PREVIOUS AGENDAS? I GUESS I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO.

OKAY. THE ITEMS WERE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION.

[L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]

BUT I DID. I THINK THIS IS WHEN I WOULD SAY THIS.

OKAY. I SHOULD HAVE SAID IT DURING THE BLUE FOLDER ITEM TIME, BUT I THINK I CAN DO IT NOW.

WE GOT A BLUE FOLDER THAT SAYS CITIZENS FOR REDONDO TREES.

INTERESTED? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ON SUNDAY, JULY 13TH AT 1 P.M..

REDONDO ROOM AT THE BEACH CITY HEALTH DISTRICT.

AND IT'S BRINGING TOGETHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO SHARE A COMMON INTEREST IN PROTECTING AND GROWING REDONDO TREE CANOPY AND ECOSYSTEM.

THIS MEETING WILL DISCUSS CURRENT CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN FORMING A COLLABORATIVE ORGANIZATION TO SAFEGUARD OUR URBAN FOREST FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

AND IT GIVES A WEBSITE, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD MEETING. IT'S OUR BLUE FOLDER ITEM TONIGHT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION.

AS A MATTER OF FORMALITY, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE.

OKAY. IT'S CLOSED JUST FOR FORMALITY. THE FORMALITY.

OKAY. AND THEN ITEMS FROM STAFF. TONIGHT, STAFF HAS NO ITEMS TO SHARE.

I WILL JUST MENTION UPCOMING AGENDAS AND PARTICULARLY THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.

[N. COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS]

AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WENT WITH THOSE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE IN THAT PACKAGE THAT ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE COUNCIL.

SO THAT SO THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE DISCUSSION OF THE FIRE AND ALL THOSE ISSUES.

YES. ALL THE FAR DISCUSSIONS WILL KICK OFF AND AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO NAVIGATE THAT GOING FORWARD.

AND ANY IDEA IF AND WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE GALLERY PROJECT.

I, WE, I ACTUALLY EMAILED THEM TODAY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING OF THIS BODY FOR THE PHASE TWO. BUT WE'RE JUST WAITING TO FOR THEM TO CONFIRM THEY'RE READY TO GO.

OKAY. SO IT MIGHT BE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SOMETHING. IT COULD BE.

WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK. VERY GOOD. OKAY. AND THEN COMMISSION MEMBER.

THE COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS.

THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS IT. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ONE THING I WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO MAKE FIRST.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING.

I HEARD THIS A LOT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE SPECIFIC ONLINE.

AND I KNOW SOME OF US IN PUBLIC HAVE MADE SOMETHING. AND THERE'S A COMMENT THAT WAS ACTUALLY MADE RECENTLY BY COMMISSIONER BOSWELL THAT I WANTED TO MAYBE ELABORATE ON A LITTLE BIT. HE MADE A COMMENT SAYING THAT HE SERVES ON A COMMITTEE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE CITY, AND I WANTED TO CORRECT HIM AND SAY IT IS THE BEST IN THE CITY, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST IN THE CITY. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST THAT THE CITY HAS EVER HAD.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU ALL PUT IN HERE, AND IT'S A PLEASURE WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU AND HAVING THOUGHTFUL, INFORMATIVE DISCUSSIONS AND COMING UP WITH GREAT SOLUTIONS.

AND I REALLY VALUE THAT A LOT. MAYOR BRAND TRIED TO GET ME ON THIS COMMISSION SIX YEARS IN A ROW, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY I'M ON IT AND SERVING WITH ALL OF YOU HERE.

THANK YOU. AND SHOUT OUT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST PLANNING DEPARTMENTS.

I WOULD AGREE. THERE YOU GO. VERY HAPPY. [APPLAUSE] I GOTTA TELL YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK. THANK YOU AS WELL.

THANK YOU. I GIVE OUT A SHOUT OUT TO OUR EX COMMISSIONER, SHEILA LAMB, WHO WORKED HER TAIL OFF WHILE SHE WAS HERE FOR THE FOUR YEARS.

ALMOST. AND LONG, LONG BEFORE THAT THAT MOST PEOPLE NEVER KNOW ABOUT ALL THE WORKSHEETS.

YES, EXACTLY. SHE'S A HARD, HARD WORKER AND AND OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW.

[00:40:05]

VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.