Sep 02, 2025 City Council

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MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WE DID NOT HAVE A CLOSED SESSION MEETING TODAY THAT WAS ANNOUNCED AS CANCELLED.

SO WE'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO OPEN SESSION. COULD I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI.

HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT. ABSENT. MAYOR LIGHT.

HE'S HERE, HE'LL JUST BE A FEW MINUTES. OKAY.

HERE. OKAY. IF WE HAVE ANY VETERANS OR ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE STAND TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR YOUR SERVICE [APPLAUSE] OKAY. AND NOW LET US ALL STAND FOR THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG.

AND PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE AFTERWARD.

I'D LIKE TO CALL UP KAREN, WHO WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

KAREN. THE FLOOR IS ALL YOURS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS KAREN. I'M A FIFTH GRADER AT ALTA VISTA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

MY FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL IS MATH. I LOVE SURFING, I LOVE SURFING IN REDONDO BEACH.

PLEASE PUT YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

NOW LET US REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT INVOCATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. PLEASE BE SEATED. KAREN. GREAT JOB LEADING US.

COME ON UP AND GET A PICTURE.

MEMBER BEHRENDT TOO. WELL DONE. OKAY. YOU WANT TO GET A PICTURE WITH US? YOU CAN STAND UP IF YOU WANT.

YOU CAN GET CLOSER. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT JOB.

OKAY. DON'T SIT DOWN FOR TOO LONG BECAUSE WE'RE NOW IN PRESENTATIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[D. PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS/ AB 1234 TRAVEL EXPENSE REPORTS]

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. RECENTLY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. RECENTLY WE HAD THE HONOR OF WELCOMING WELCOMING MAYOR TOMEI-SAN FROM OUR SISTER CITY, ITOMAN CITY IN OKINAWA, JAPAN TO OUR CITY REDONDO BEACH.

DURING THEIR VISIT, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOWCASE SEVERAL ASPECTS OF CITY OPERATIONS, INCLUDING TOURS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, HARBOR PATROL, AND THE DAY TO DAY WORKINGS OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

IT WAS A PARTICULARLY MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE FOR MAYOR TOMEI-SAN, AS IN JAPAN, ACCESS TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS IS TYPICALLY RESTRICTED.

BEING ABLE TO SEE OUR OPERATIONS UP CLOSE WAS A UNIQUE TREAT FOR HIM.

HE EXPRESSED SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR THE OPENNESS, HOSPITALITY AND PROFESSIONALISM HE WITNESSED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

HOWEVER, NONE OF THESE MEANINGFUL EXCHANGES COULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE INCREDIBLE SUPPORT OF A LOCAL REDONDO BEACH FAMILY.

AND THEY'RE HERE WITH US TONIGHT. KUNIKO ISHIMOTO AND KAREN LEE, A MOTHER DAUGHTER TEAM OF TALENTED TRANSLATORS ACTED AS OUR AMBASSADORS TO THE CONGREGATION THAT CAME FROM JAPAN. TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION, WE HAVE PREPARED CERTIFICATES OF COMMENDATION TO RECOGNIZE KUNIKO AND KAREN FOR A JOB WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR BOTH BEING AN OUTSTANDING AMBASSADORS OF REDONDO BEACH, AND FOR REPRESENTING OUR CITY WITH SUCH GRACE AND DEDICATION.

MOMENTS LIKE THIS REMIND US OF THE POWER OF COMMUNITY CONNECTION AND INTERNATIONAL FRIENDSHIP, AND WE'RE PROUD TO CONTINUE OUR GROWING BOND WITH THE CITY OF ITOMAN.

SO WITH THAT, COULD YOU COME UP, BOTH OF YOU? [APPLAUSE] YOU COME IN. CONGRATULATIONS. AND, KAREN, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.

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IT WAS SO MUCH FUN TO HANG OUT WITH THE ITOMAN CITY PEOPLE.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE MAYOR TO INCLUDING US IN THIS ADVENTURE.

WHAT WAS YOUR FAVORITE PART? GOING TO SEE THE POLICE.

GOING TO SEE THE POLICE [LAUGHS] DID YOU LIKE THE DOLPHINS AND THE SEA LIONS? YEAH. SHE GOT TO DRIVE THE HARBOR PATROL BOAT.

OH, NICE. OUR YOUNGEST HARBOR PATROL PERSON. SO COME ON BACK AND GET A PICTURE WITH THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU [APPLAUSE] \ I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY CLERK FOR THE SWEARING IN. THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE DUTIES, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NEW CITY PROSECUTOR, SIDNE MICHEL.

[APPLAUSE].

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I STATE YOUR NAME.

I, SIDNE MICHEL. SOLEMNLY SWEAR. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR.

THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND. THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND.

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

AGAINST ALL ENEMIES. FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE.

THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY. THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION.

WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION. OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, AND THAT I WILL WELL.

AND THAT I WILL WELL. AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE.

THE DUTIES UPON. WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER. UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR. THE CITY MANAGER. SHE ALWAYS SAYS SHE'S NOT GOING TO CRY.

AND NOW I'M GOING TO CRY. THANK YOU TO JOY ABAQUIN FORD FOR BELIEVING IN ME.

FOR SUPPORTING ME. I'VE WORKED WITH JOY FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I ADMIRE HER TALENT, HER INTEGRITY, AND HER LEADERSHIP. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ON BEING ELECTED CITY ATTORNEY.

SO WELL DESERVED. AND I'M SO PROUD OF YOU. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOUR VISION AND THE CITY'S MISSION.

THANK YOU TO MELANIE CHAVIRA, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, THE FORMER CITY PROSECUTOR FOR LEADING ME, FOR TEACHING ME. I HAVE BIG SHOES TO FILL, AND I'M PREPARED TO DO THAT.

I AM DEEPLY GRATEFUL TO MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SUPPORTED ME ALONG THE WAY.

AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION A FEW OF THEM. JUDGE RENEE GILBERTSON, WHO'S HERE, CHARLIE CLARK.

MY ASSISTANT, SHARON ROSE, SUZANNE DELGAN, STEPHANIE JOHNSON.

MY COLLEAGUES ON THE CRIMINAL AND CIVIL SIDES, INCLUDING CHERYL, CHRISTINE, MARGARET, ROSALIA, CECILE, GIA AND RONNIE. I COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT YOU.

TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO I'VE WORKED WITH FOR 19 YEARS, WE HAVE SUCH AN EXCELLENT POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND I AM INCREDIBLY PROUD OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE OFFICERS HERE.

TO MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES FOR SUPPORTING ME.

THEY WERE JUST SO IMPORTANT TO ME. DEE, WHO'S HERE, SCOTTY, HER HUSBAND, HEATHER BURR, JUDGE ELEANOR HUNTER, NOT SURE IF SHE MADE IT YET. SHE DID. BRUCE MCGREGOR AND MIKE NORRIS.

I JUST COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT YOU. YOU'RE EVERY DAY WHEN YOU WALK INTO COURT WITH A SMILE AND WE SEEK JUSTICE TOGETHER.

I VALUE THE TEAM THAT I WORK WITH. JULIANA MICHAEL, MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS.

I'M SO PROUD THAT YOU'RE HERE AND HAPPY. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING ME ALONG THE WAY.

ALL OF YOU, YOUR SUPPORT HAS BEEN A RAY OF HOPE TO ME.

AND FINALLY, FINALLY TO MY FAMILY. MY HUSBAND CHUCK, WHO'S HERE WHO STOOD BY ME FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW.

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SHE'S ONE OF THE LIGHTS IN MY LIFE TO FINALLY HAVE A DAUGHTER.

AND TO MADDIE, YOU ARE MY HEART. ALL OF YOU. AND I COULDN'T DO ANY OF THIS WITHOUT YOU.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT I LOOK FORWARD IN CLOSING TO UPHOLDING THE CITY'S MISSION.

AND THE MISSION IS FOR ME, AS THE CITY PROSECUTOR, IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST AND UPHOLD THE LAW BY WORKING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO AGGRESSIVELY PROSECUTE ALL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WITHIN THE CITY.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT WITH INTEGRITY, FAIRNESS AND DEDICATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HOLD UP FOR JOY.

[LAUGHS].

I NEED A TALLER DESK [LAUGHS]. THANK YOU ALL.

CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY, OUR NEXT GROUP IS THE REAPPOINTMENTS AND THE NEW APPOINTMENTS, WHICH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE BEING REAPPOINTED, AND APPOINTED AND ALSO THE YOUTH COMMISSION. IF YOU COULD PLEASE ALL COME UP AND WE WILL DO THE OATH TOGETHER.

RIGHT UP HERE. AND YOU HAVE TO PRETEND LIKE YOU LIKE EACH OTHER [LAUGHS].

SO GO AHEAD. I'M DOING ALL THE NEW APPOINTMENTS. REAPPOINTMENTS FOR COMMISSIONERS.

YOU DON'T NEED TO. COMMISSIONERS. HEY, HOW ARE YOU, NELLY? OKAY. TEXT A PICTURE OF THIS TO. SO IF YOU CAN, PLEASE.

OKAY. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ARE YOU GOING TO REPEAT AFTER ME? I. STATE YOUR NAME. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR.

THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THAT WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY. I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER.

CONGRATULATIONS NEW COMMISSIONERS. SO BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I NEED YOU TO.

YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW TWO OF MY ASSISTANTS, LAURA AND EMILY.

YOU'RE GOING TO SIGN YOUR OATH, AND YOU'LL RECEIVE ONE ALSO.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I NEED YOU. IF YOU CAN AT LEAST LET ME.

EXCUSE ME. GIVE ME YOUR NAME. AND WHAT COMMISSION YOU'LL BE PART OF.

JERRY WOODHAM, BUDGET AND FINANCE. JAMIE WARWICK, HARBOR COMMISSION.

TRENT TURNER, BUDGET AND FINANCE. CHARLOTTE EDWARDS, YOUTH COMMISSION.

ROBERT GADDIS, PLANNING. JULIE YOUNG, PLANNING.

PRIYA RAMCHARAN, YOUTH COMMISSION. JOSHUA MAO.

YOUTH COMMISSION. KYLIE CHO, YOUTH COMMISSION.

LUKE CAMPISI, YOUTH COMMISSION. VINCENT HUYNH, YOUTH COMMISSION.

GRANT SORGEN, YOUTH COMMISSION. ZIVA CHABOT, YOUTH COMMISSION.

NATALIE HUANG. YOUTH COMMISSION. LISA FALK, HARBOR COMMISSION.

[INAUDIBLE] YOUTH COMMISSION. AMARA LEWIN, YOUTH COMMISSION.

ETHAN GARCIA. YOUTH COMMISSION. OLIVIA REEDS.

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YES. CONGRATULATIONS [APPLAUSE] HOW FANCY. SLOWER.

OKAY, SO LAURA AND EMILY WILL BE OUT IN THE LOBBY.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS FOR COMING. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. YEAH. GOOD JOB. TWICE DOESN'T HURT.

THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. WAY TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE. GOOD JOB. WE ALWAYS GIVE HER A RIDE HOME.

CHAMBERS, QUICKLY. OKAY, SO NOW WE GO TO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND AB 123 FOR TRAVEL EXPENSE REPORTS.

I'LL GO FIRST. I HAVE NO EXPENSE REPORTS TO REPORT.

BUT SINCE WE HAVEN'T MET FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, I DO HAVE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS AND MEETINGS THAT I HAD.

SO I WILL BE ON VACATION OCTOBER 10TH THROUGH THE 22ND.

SO MAYOR PRO TEM BEHRENDT WILL HAVE TO PRESIDE OVER THE MEETINGS.

THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WILL OCCUR DURING THAT PERIOD, I WILL NOT BE DIALING IN.

I'LL BE ENJOYING VACATION. I DID GO TO THE PORT ROYAL YACHT CLUB FUNDRAISER FOR TWO TWO DIFFERENT NON-PROFITS THIS PAST WEEKEND.

THAT WAS A GREAT EVENT. LOVED BEING PART OF THAT.

THE CITY MANAGER AND I HAD A MEETING WITH THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS HOUSING GROUP, AND THAT WAS AN EYE OPENING MEETING, I THINK, FOR BOTH OF US.

AND WE'RE EXCHANGING DATA AS WE TALK. I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH SENATOR, STATE SENATOR BEN ALLEN AND HIS STAFF REGARDING HOUSING.

AND THEY TOOK COMMITMENT ON TWO DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT I WOULD TALK, TALK TO YOU ABOUT IF I SEE A FORWARD MOTION ON THEM, I'M FINGERS CROSSED. BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST BUT VERIFY ON THAT ONE.

BUT IT WAS A GOOD MEETING. THEY I DID A LOT OF PRESENTATION OF THE NUMBERS AND THE FACTS OF, YOU KNOW WHAT? HOW THE HOUSING MANDATES ARE DOING TO US.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE GOTTEN A FACTUAL PRESENTATION LIKE THAT BEFORE.

AND IT ACTUALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, SENATOR ALLEN DIRECTED HIS STAFF TO TAKE ACTION ON OUR BEHALF BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO FINGERS CROSSED. I ALSO WENT TO THE CHAMBER MIXER THIS PAST WEEK DOWN AT SEASIDE LAGOON.

THAT'S ALWAYS A GREAT EVENT. AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD.

OH, WE ALSO HAD A GREAT GROUNDBREAKING ON THE LOWER POND OF AT WILDERNESS PARK.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE ALSO UNVEILED FOUR INTERPRETIVE SIGNS THAT ARE IN WILDERNESS PARK.

SO A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW, WE SHOULD SEE THAT LOWER POND RESTORED AND PROBABLY AND HOPEFULLY BETTER THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST.

SO THAT'S AN EXCITING PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

COMING UP, I DO HAVE A MEETING ON WATER POLO.

COMING UP, WE ALSO HAVE THE EVENT ON THE 20TH OF SEPTEMBER.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S LINING UP TO BE A GREAT EVENT WITH FOUR HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, REDONDO IS NOT ONE OF THEM. AND THEN AN OPEN DIVISION AND A MASTER'S DIVISION, AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN ALL DAY EVENT BETWEEN THE RIVIERA CANTINA AND THE CALIFORNIA BEACH CLUB RIGHT ALONG THE BREAKWALL THERE.

SO FIRST, OPEN WATER WATER POLO IN THE HISTORY OF OUR HARBOR.

AND THEN LATER THIS WEEK, I'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING ON THE FIFA WORLD CUP.

POTENTIAL FOR US DOING WATCH PARTY DOWN IN SEASIDE LAGOON.

SO I'LL KEEP YOU INFORMED ON WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

SO THAT'S IT FOR ME? WE'LL GO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT TONIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'LL ECHO YOU ON THE GROUNDBREAKING OF WILDERNESS PARK.

YOU DID A GREAT JOB BEING THE EMCEE OF THAT AND LEADING US THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT STATIONS THERE.

AND IT WAS GREAT TO ACTUALLY HAVE ALL FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, INCLUDING FORMER COUNCILMEMBER LOEWENSTEIN, WHO'S PUTTING A LOT OF TIME AND DEDICATION AND EFFORT TO ADVANCE WILDERNESS PARK.

THANK YOU TO DIRECTOR HOUSE AND THE BEACH CITIES TRANSIT TEAM FOR ORGANIZING A BUS FROM NORTH REDONDO TO TAKE US DOWN TO FAR SOUTH WILDERNESS PARK [LAUGHS]. AND ALSO, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT CONVENED A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO OR SO AND APPROVED WITH SOME CONDITIONS, THE 350 RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR THE GALLERIA.

BECAUSE THEY UPHELD OUR DUTIES UNDER STATE LAW BY DOING SO.

AND THEY ALSO REALLY LOOKED OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA BY IMPOSING CONDITIONS LIKE ALLOWING RESIDENTS FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT TO PARK IN THE COMMERCIAL

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SO THEY DID A GREAT JOB THERE. AND SOME QUESTIONS I'VE GOTTEN ARE IS THE MALL GOING TO CEASE TO EXIST? SO I'LL ANSWER WHAT I CAN, WHICH IS THEY'VE SOUGHT ENTITLEMENT FOR 350 ADDITIONAL UNITS.

THEY PREVIOUSLY HAD ENTITLEMENT FOR 300 UNITS.

THAT BRINGS IT TO A TOTAL OF 650 UNITS. NOW, AT THIS POINT, THEY COULD BUILD A MALL OR RENOVATE THE MALL AND BUILD THOSE UNITS.

THEY COULD DECIDE TO BUY OUT THE RECIPROCAL LEASES AT THE MALL AND TEAR DOWN THE MALL AND DO SOMETHING ELSE THERE, BUT THEY'D HAVE TO APPLY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL FOR ANY FURTHER ENTITLEMENTS THERE.

BUT IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR. THIS IS JUST PART OF THEIR PACKAGE THAT THEY'RE OFFERING FOR SALE NOW ON THE MARKET TO TRY TO GET SOME INVESTMENT INTO THE SITE AND HOPEFULLY GET THE SITE MOVING FORWARD. SO WE'LL KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO OFFER OURSELVES AS RESOURCES SO THAT WE CAN GET INVESTMENT INTO NORTH REDONDO THERE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER CASTLE.

DO WE HAVE TO STAY AWAKE AND STAY ALERT? YEAH.

SO OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I ATTENDED MANY OF THE EVENTS WITH THE MAYOR, INCLUDING THE GROUNDBREAKING AT WILDERNESS PARK, WHICH IS A GREAT ADDITION TO THE FACILITIES THERE.

I ALSO ATTENDED THE WATER POLO MEETINGS. FOR THE UPCOMING WATER POLO TOURNAMENT ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.

IT STARTS AT 8 A.M., BUT THE THE REAL KEY HIGHLIGHT, I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL ENJOY IS THE BATTLE OF THE SOUTH BAY, WHICH WILL BE GAMES BETWEEN RIGHT NOW, IT'S SCHEDULED TO BE BETWEEN THE WOMEN'S TEAM FROM EL SEGUNDO AND THE TEAM FROM MIRACOSTA.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A HIGHLIGHT. THAT STARTS AT ABOUT NOON ON THAT DAY.

I ATTENDED THE CHAMBERS REGIONAL MIXER LAST WEEK, WHICH WAS ANOTHER GREAT EVENT, AND ALSO THE LAUNCH PARTY FOR NEW MAGAZINE COVERING REDONDO BEACH CALLED CITY LIFESTYLE. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THEM INVOLVED AND SEEING LOTS OF THEIR PERSPECTIVES ON THINGS IN THE CITY.

LAST WEEK. COUNCIL MEMBER WALLER AND I ATTENDED A REVIEW WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR A STATE LAW THAT LOOKS INTO MILITARY TYPE EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS CROWD CONTROL EQUIPMENT THAT ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE, AND THEY HAVE TO REPORT TO THEIR CITY COUNCILS, WHAT EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE. AND WE ATTENDED THAT LAST WEEK, WHICH WAS A GREAT TIME FOR US TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE TOOLS THAT THEY HAVE AND THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT NEED IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.

THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. AND THAT'S ALSO ON THE AGENDA. THAT REPORT THAT THEY MAKE IS IN THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

AND THEN I ALSO ATTENDED THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS MEETING WITH THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER, TALKING ABOUT HOUSING MANDATES THAT ARE COMING DOWN FROM SACRAMENTO WHICH WE ALL UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AN ONGOING ISSUE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF REDONDO BEACH.

SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIGHTING THAT BATTLE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, BUT ALSO DOING WHAT WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR BEST CASE FOR THE DENSITY THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY AND NOT ADDING TO IT.

SO. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC.

I'M PREPARED. I'M PREPARED, I'M PREPARED. DISTRICT THREE COMMUNITY MEETING WILL BE ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH AT 6 P.M.. IT WILL BE IN BEACH CITIES HEALTH DISTRICT ON THE CAMPUS IN THE BEACH CITIES MEETING ROOM.

SO THIS IS AN IN-PERSON MEETING. IT IS OPEN TO ALL RESIDENTS.

LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL THERE. SWIM THE AVENUES IS THIS SATURDAY.

I'M VERY EXCITED. MY DAUGHTER'S SWIMMING FOR THE FIRST TIME.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXCITING. DINING AROUND ARTESIA IS ON THE 10TH.

AND GET YOUR TICKETS BECAUSE I THINK THEY SOLD OUT LAST TIME, AND YOU WILL LEAVE VERY FULL, SO IT'S WORTH THE MONEY. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO YOU KNOW, WALK THE BOULEVARD THERE OR ARTESIA AND FILL UP GREAT FOOD. AND THEN I WILL BE GOING TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE FOR REGIONAL HOMELESS ALIGNMENT MEETING THIS FRIDAY. WE'LL BE DISCUSSING OUR REGIONAL PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.

AND AS A CONCERNS MEASURE, A SALES TAX DOLLARS.

THAT'S IT FOR ME. OKAY. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, COUNCIL MEMBER WALLER.

THANK YOU. ALONG WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE TALKED ABOUT THE WILDERNESS PARK GROUNDBREAKING WAS EXCITING TO SEE.

REDONDO BEACH CHAMBER REGIONAL MIXER WAS ACTUALLY, I'D SAY STRONGER THAN I REMEMBER IT IN THE PAST.

IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. AND THEN THE POLICE EQUIPMENT REVIEW WITH OUR SPECIAL BEARCAT DRIVER,

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OTHER THINGS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT I ATTENDED THE SOUTH BAY AEROSPACE ALLIANCE HAD A MEETING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC AND I ATTENDED. I ATTENDED THE SOUTH BAY CITIES COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS MEETING.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS NOT A QUORUM REACHED, BUT WE STILL DID HEAR REPORTS ON MOBILITY AND LAND USE, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THE CLEAR WATER TUNNEL COLLAPSE AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING ON THAT.

AS WELL AS UPDATES ON HOMELESS SERVICES, SLOW STREETS GRANTS PROGRAM AND THE AI WORKING GROUP, WHICH SHOULD HOPEFULLY GET STARTED PROBABLY OCTOBER.

LET'S SEE. I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL WITH TORRANCE COUNCIL MEMBER SHEIKH TO TALK ABOUT THE MAT AND THE BICYCLE ROUTES THAT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IN OUR LAST MEETING. HE WASN'T ALL THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT, SO I SENT HIM A BUNCH OF SUPPORTING INFORMATION, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOME SUPPORT OUT OF THE TORRANCE ELECTED MEMBERS AND THEN KEEP THE ESPLANADE BEAUTIFUL.

WE'LL HAVE THEIR MONTHLY CLEANUP. SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH AT 9 A.M..

MEET AT AVENUE AND ESPLANADE, SWIM THE AVENUES IS SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH.

I'VE GOT SUNDAY ON MINE. YOU SAID SATURDAY, BUT I'VE GOT IT FOR SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH.

8 A.M. YOU CAN REGISTER, OR YOU CAN JUST STOP BY AND CHEER ON THE PARTICIPANTS.

DINING AROUND ARTESIA WAS ALREADY MENTIONED THAT SEPTEMBER 10TH, 5 TO 8:30, NRBBA TO SIGN UP.

I'M PLANNING ON BEING THERE. MY NEXT COMMUNITY MEETING WILL BE SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH AT THE ALTA VISTA COMMUNITY CENTER AT 9:30 A.M. AND THEN FINALLY, THE SOUTH BAY PARKLAND CONSERVANCY IS ALSO DOING ESPLANADE BLUFF RESTORATION AND YOU CAN JOIN THEM.

THEY ARE THERE EVERY WEDNESDAY AT 4:30 AND ON ALTERNATE SATURDAY MORNINGS GO TO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THANKS FOR THE SWIM THE AVENUES.

THAT'S THAT'S A BIG EVENT HERE, AND IT SEEMS TO BE GROWING EVERY YEAR.

SO AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT, IT'S AT THE SOUTH END OF OUR BEACH DOWN FROM MIRAMAR PARK AND THEN TURNS KIND OF NORTH TO GO ACROSS THE AVENUE. SO AND I THINK THEY'RE STARTING AT 8 A.M..

YEP. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE A COOL OPEN WATER RACE THAT'S, YOU CAN'T GET A BETTER VIEWING LOCATION.

YOU JUST STAND UP ON THE ESPLANADE AND WATCH.

AND THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE A SHORT DISTANCE AND A LONG DISTANCE. SO IT'S NICE FOR ALL SWIMMERS.

OKAY. WITH THAT. WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM E. DOES ANYONE HAVE SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE TO CHANGE IN THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA?

[E. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]

[F. AGENCY RECESS]

SO WE WILL START WITH HOUSING. HOUSING? YEAH.

THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECESS TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY? MOTION TO RECESS TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY MEETING. SECOND.

OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO CALL TO MEETING CALL TO ORDER A MEETING, A REGULAR MEETING OF THE REDONDO BEACH HOUSING AUTHORITY.

COULD I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MEMBER WALLER.

PRESENT. MEMBER CASTLE. HERE. MEMBER KALUDEROVIC.

HERE. MEMBER OBAGI. MEMBER BEHRENDT. HERE. COMMISSIONER PRICE.

HERE. COMMISSIONER NEWTON. HERE. CHAIRMAN LIGHT HERE.

OKAY. DOES ANYONE WISH TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA? NO. THANK YOU. NO. OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF AGENDA AS WRITTEN? SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL FOR AYE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY BLUE FOLDER ITEMS? NONE FOR THIS AGENCY. MAYOR. OKAY. WE HAVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR C.1 THROUGH C.3.

DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE AUTHORITY WISH TO PULL ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? C.1 2 OR 3? OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR. SECOND. OKAY.

A MOTION AND A SECOND. DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS THE CONSENT CALENDAR C1 THROUGH C3? FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. ANYONE ONLINE? IF NONE OR NO ECOMMENTS ALSO.

OKAY. ALL FOR. AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED? OKAY. SO ALL THREE PASS UNANIMOUS VOTE.

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THIS SECTION WILL BE LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, AND EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE, AND WRITTEN REQUESTS WILL BE CONSIDERED FIRST UNDER THIS SECTION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY WRITTEN ITEMS. DOES ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ON ITEMS RELATED TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT ARE NOT IN THIS AGENDA? I HAVE ONE ON PERMITS.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S THE REGULAR MEETING.

THAT'S FOR THE REGULAR MEETING. THAT'S FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.

SO THAT NOT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. OKAY. ANYONE ONLINE? NONE. AND NO COMMENTS. OKAY. SO THE ONLY THING WE, SEE, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS ITEM I.1 RECEIVE AND FILE THE QUARTERLY STATUS REPORT ON SECTION EIGHT AND FAIR HOUSING PROGRAMS. GOOD EVENING. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, ELIZABETH HAUSE, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU TONIGHT. WITH ME, I HAVE IMELDA DELGADO.

SHE IS OUR NEW HOUSING MANAGER. SHE'S BEEN WITH US SINCE JUNE.

SHE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE USUAL NUMBERS AND UPDATES REGARDING OUR SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM, BUT AT THE END, WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU REGARDING OUR FISCAL STATUS AND WHAT OUR OUTLOOK IS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND SHE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE PROACTIVE STEPS WE'RE TAKING SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE SUPPORTING OUR SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER HOLDERS.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO IMELDA. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO PRESENT A QUARTERLY UPDATE FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

STARTING WITH THE PROGRAM OVERVIEW WE CURRENTLY HAVE 454 HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE BEING ASSISTED.

WE ALSO HAVE 335 OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE ELDERLY OR DISABLED.

20 OF THOSE ASSISTED HOUSEHOLDS ARE PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS, MEANING THEY'RE TIED TO THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S AT MOONSTONE APARTMENTS. SO THE 20 IS PART OF THE FIVE, 454? YES. IS THE 335 PART OF THE 454? YES. OKAY, THANKS.

NEXT WE HAVE INFORMATION ON SPENDING AND VOUCHERS.

WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED QUARTERLY SPENDING OF $2.1 MILLION.

WITH THAT, WE HAVE SPECIAL PROGRAM INFORMATION.

WE HAVE 33 VASH VOUCHERS BEING ASSISTED CURRENTLY, AND WE HAVE 19 EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS THAT ARE BEING ASSISTED.

THESE ARE SPECIAL PROGRAMS. SO THE NUMBERS UP TOP ARE NOT REFLECTING THE VASH OR THE EHV EXPENDITURES.

NEXT WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THE WAITING LIST.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 971 APPLICANTS WAITING. THEY APPLIED APPROXIMATELY IN 2015.

AND WE HAVE FAMILIES FROM WE HAVE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN.

WE HAVE ELDERLY AND DISABLED AND FROM ALL, ALL INCOME LEVELS.

ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE TWO APPLICANTS THAT LIVE OR WORK IN REDONDO BEACH. THAT IS OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY OR PREFERENCE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE ONLY HAVE TWO. WE'VE ALMOST EXHAUSTED ALL OUR OUR TOP PREFERENCE.

WE ALSO HAVE EIGHT THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR PREFERENCE, MEANING THEY'RE PROBABLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WAITING LIST AND WILL BE ASSISTED LAST.

NOW WE COME TO THE MOST IMPORTANT. MIND IF I INTERRUPT? GO AHEAD.

IF THIS HAS BEEN CLOSED THROUGH 2015, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE CURRENT AND STILL OUT THERE? YES. WE ANNUALLY DO A PURGE OF THE WAITING LIST, WHICH MEANS WE SEND OUT LETTERS TO EVERYBODY ON THE WAITING LIST INDICATING THAT THEY'RE STILL ON THE WAITING LIST, AND ASK IF THEY'RE STILL INTERESTED, IF THEY'RE STILL AT THE SAME ADDRESS, IF THEIR INFORMATION IS STILL CURRENT, AND SOME RESPONSE, THOSE THAT DON'T WE PURGE? OKAY. THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

FUNDING. FUNDING UPDATES. WHICH IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT ITEM REPORTING TONIGHT.

WE MET WITH OUR HUD PORTFOLIO MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST, WHO IS PROJECTING A FUNDING SHORTFALL FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

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IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. WE ARE ALREADY TAKING MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT WE WATCH ALL OUR DOLLARS CAREFULLY.

SOME OF THOSE MEASURES ARE ON THE SLIDE INDICATING THAT THERE ARE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS.

FIRST WE ARE CURRENTLY UPDATING OUR ADMIN PLAN, WHICH IS OUR POLICY.

ALL OUR POLICIES ARE INDICATED IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN, AND ONE OF THOSE UPDATES OR CHANGES IS RIGHTSIZING VOUCHERS FOR FAMILIES. SO CURRENTLY WE ISSUE WE CAN ISSUE A TWO MEMBER HOUSEHOLD, A TWO BEDROOM VOUCHER.

AND THAT'S BEEN REVISED TO EVERY TWO MEMBERS IN A HOUSEHOLD WILL RECEIVE A ONE BEDROOM VOUCHER THAT DECREASES OUR EXPENDITURES.

SHORT, SHORTFALL IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES. WE ARE AT THE THE TIMELINE DURING THE YEAR WHERE WE DO CHANGE PAYMENT STANDARDS. DEPENDING ON THE FIGURES THAT ARE PUBLISHED IN OCTOBER, WE PLAN TO REDUCE THE PAYMENT STANDARDS. PAYMENT STANDARD IS THE MAXIMUM SUBSIDY A FAMILY WILL RECEIVE, DEPENDING ON THE VOUCHER SIZE THAT THEY HAVE.

SO THE LESS WE ASSIST, THE LESS WE SPEND. CONTINGENCY PLANNING.

WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY UNRESTRICTED FUNDS TO OFFSET SHORTFALL.

WE CAN USE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES OR ANY HUD HELD RESERVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.

WE HAVE OR WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CONTRACTING IN AN ACCOUNTING FIRM THAT WILL HELP US WITH OUR FINANCIAL REVIEW INFORMATION AND TO GIVE US MORE ACCURATE NUMBERS AND THAT WE COULD REPORT BACK TO HUD.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BOARD RECEIVE AND FILE THE QUARTERLY STATUS REPORT ON THE SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM.

I'M JUST GOING TO WRAP THAT UP REAL QUICK. BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN.

WE'RE ALREADY TAKING A LOT OF PROACTIVE STEPS RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DELTA AND FUNDING VERSUS OBLIGATIONS IS MINIMIZED, IF NOT ELIMINATED ALTOGETHER. IT REALLY IS MODEST COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF OUR PROGRAM.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WE MET TODAY WITH THE TEAM FROM HUD TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE MEASURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE, AND WE ALL SEEM TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT IT IS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY THAT'S CURRENTLY ON A VOUCHER IS IMPACTED BY THIS SHORTFALL.

THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A HOUSING AUTHORITY TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO DROP ANYBODY OFF THE LIST.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CASTLE JUST TO SORT OF FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT HISTORICALLY, HAS THE PROGRAM ALWAYS OPERATED IN A DEFICIT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING UNIQUE TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW OR OTHER CITIES OR SO? OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN IN A SHORTFALL FOR SOME TIME.

WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY FORTUNATE OVER HERE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN RECENT HISTORY THAT WE'VE BEEN IN SHORTFALL, AND IT IS SO MINIMAL COMPARED TO THE REST OF OUR PROGRAM.

SO WE THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE BUSINESS AS USUAL AS LONG AS WE TAKE CERTAIN STEPS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU FOR SITTING DOWN WITH ME AND MEETING AND GOING OVER SOME OF THESE THINGS AND GREAT SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE SHORTFALL AND JUST POLICIES GOING FORWARD.

I THINK WE CAN BE A LOT MORE PROACTIVE IN GETTING RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES IN REDONDO BEACH PRIORITIZED.

WE DID TALK ABOUT THE LIST IS FROM 2015. AND WHILE WE SEND OUT MAILERS, I DO THINK THAT IT IS PROBABLY IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO TO CLEAR THE LIST AND HAVE PEOPLE REAPPLY DEFINITELY MORE FREQUENTLY.

YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT OUT FOR THEM TO BE MORE PROACTIVE CAN CAN BE A WAY THAT WE CAN PRIORITIZE RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES IN REDONDO BEACH WHICH I THINK IS IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK WE ALL WANT TO DO THAT HERE. I MEAN, HAVING THE RIGHT SIZING OF THE UNITS, THE MINIMUM $50 RENT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE HELPFUL

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SO YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT START HERE. IMELDA, LIKE, SO WELCOME TO HAVE YOU HERE.

YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. I'M VERY IMPRESSED.

I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS, THEY'RE EXPIRING AT THE END OF DECEMBER 2026.

RIGHT. 21 OF THOSE. SOMETHING AROUND THAT NUMBER.

RIGHT AROUND. OKAY. AND I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE CAN'T ABSORB THEM INTO OUR PROGRAM AS IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHORTFALL AT THIS POINT, WE CANNOT. WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR SET ASIDE FUNDS, WHICH MAY HELP US, AND THEN THE RENEWAL FUNDING MAY ALSO HELP US. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED OR ON THE PRESENTATION, 33 OF THE VASH VOUCHERS ARE BEING USED.

DO WE STILL HAVE SOME THAT ARE UNUSED? WE DO.

AND AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE WITH JUST THE VA AND HOW THEY'RE ASSIGNED.

THOSE ARE REFERRED TO US FROM THE VA'S. OKAY.

BY THE VA'S. OKAY. AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE LIST WAS BILLING ALL INCOMING PORTABILITY VOUCHERS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SO WHEN SOMEONE TRANSFERS THE, IT IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM SO FAMILIES CAN TRANSFER WHAT WE CALL PORTABILITY ANYWHERE IN THE NATION ANY TERRITORY PUERTO RICO, GUAM AND WHEN THEY COME INTO OUR JURISDICTION, AN AGENCY DEPENDING OBVIOUSLY ON FUNDS AND VOUCHERS, WE DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB THEM FINANCIALLY OR IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD AN AGENCY. AND BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO ABSORB THEM, WE WILL BEGIN BUILDING EVERYBODY, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL REIMBURSE US FOR ALL THE EXPENDITURES WE MAKE ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY AND PAY US A SMALL ADMIN FEE FOR DOING SO.

GOT IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI.

SORRY. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT WHAT'S THE CAUSE OF THE DEFICIT, IF YOU WILL, THIS YEAR? IS IT REDUCED FEDERAL FUNDING? NO, IT'S NOT REDUCED.

IT'S JUST HIGHER EXPENDITURES. WE RECEIVE A LOT OF RENT INCREASES, IN FACT, THIS MONTH, SEPTEMBER OUR HAP EXPENDITURES INCREASED BECAUSE WE PROCESS A LOT OF RENT INCREASES FOR THIS MONTH.

OKAY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONSIDERING DECLARING A NATIONAL HOUSING EMERGENCY IN THE FALL TO HELP, POTENTIALLY WITH THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, BUT OTHERWISE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU PUT THE MIC TO TOWARDS YOU? THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS CONTEMPLATING A HOUSING EMERGENCY DECLARATION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SECRETARY BESSENT SAID IS THEY DON'T WANT TO ENCROACH ON THE RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS AND ROLES OF OTHER GOVERNMENT, STATE, GOVERNMENTS, COUNTY, LOCAL, ETC.. COULD ONE THING WE DO AS A COUNCIL IS, YOU KNOW, SEND A MESSAGE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT, HEY, THERE ARE RISING COSTS HERE.

ONE EASY WAY YOU CAN ASSIST US IN RESPONDING TO THE HOUSING CRISIS IS BY SUPPLEMENTING THESE HUD DOLLARS.

THERE IS I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER CHANNELS, BUT THERE IS EVERYTHING IS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

CONGRESS MAKES THE DECISIONS FOR US, AND IT TAKES YEARS.

MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN CHANGES ARE INITIATED BY CONGRESS.

IT TAKES YEARS FOR US TO APPLY THEM. I DON'T KNOW IN THIS STATE HOW IT WOULD WORK, BUT I CAN I CAN GET SOME INFORMATION IF YOU NEED.

SO DO WE HAVE A, MR. CITY MANAGER? DO WE HAVE A LOBBYIST OR.

WE DO. FEDERAL LOBBYIST? YES. YES. MR. TANNOCK, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE APPLY SOME RESOURCES TO? I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES IN OUR SITUATION THAT WILL BE ASKING FEDERAL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR INCREASED SUPPORT, FUNDING. CLEARLY. WELL, MONEY DIDN'T GO DOWN THIS YEAR.

A FREEZE IS EFFECTIVELY A DECREASE FOR US, RIGHT? WE NEED TO SEE YEAR OVER YEAR REVENUE GROWTH IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THE EXPENSES THAT WERE JUST DESCRIBED.

SO I THINK WE'LL MAKE THAT REQUEST. WE'LL WE'LL SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM OUR LOBBYISTS THERE.

TRUTANICH AND ASSOCIATES. I IMAGINE WE WON'T BE ALONE IN THAT REQUEST.

IT IS A NATIONAL ISSUE. IS THERE ANY BENEFIT WE COULD GET FROM SENDING A LETTER, FOR EXAMPLE, TO REPRESENTATIVE LIU OR ANY OF, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE OTHER FOLKS? WE CERTAINLY WILL TRY. DEPENDING ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR PARTICULAR LOCAL SITUATION NATIONALLY AT GIVEN THE POLITICS, I'M NOT SURE HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WILL BE, BUT I DO THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT SPANS, YOU KNOW, IS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE. FOR THE MOST PART.

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THAT'S WHY I ASKED. AND THANK YOU TO OUR TEAM HERE FOR DAYLIGHTING THIS ISSUE.

WE'VE SEEN THIS CONCERN COMING. WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL.

SO YOU ARE AWARE OF THE TIGHTENING THAT WILL HAVE TO ENSUE.

AND WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO MANAGE EXPENDITURES UNTIL WE GET SOME LEVEL OF SUCCESS WITH REVENUE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO OBVIOUSLY IN HOUSING AND EXTENDING HOUSING HAS BEEN A STRENGTH OF THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME, AND I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO BE AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF SHORTFALLS.

SO I'D LIKE US, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL GENERALLY WOULD LIKE US TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO TRY TO INFLUENCE GETTING MORE RESOURCES FOR HOUSING IN REDONDO BEACH FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

YEAH. APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM. IT'S, I THINK IT'S A POINT OF PRIDE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND APPRECIATE THE ASSISTANCE. IF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SUPPORTS IT, I'LL GLADLY DRAFT LETTERS AND CONTACT OUR LOBBYISTS.

AND PROBABLY WORKING IN CONCERT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC AND STAFF, SINCE THEY KNOW MORE THAN ME THAN WE DO ON THAT.

BUT RATHER THAN WAIT FOR THE NEXT MEETING OF THIS, IF YOU GUYS WOULD AUTHORIZE ME, I'LL.

I'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. I'LL PROVIDE THAT MOTION OR PER DIRECTION.

YEAH OKAY. I'LL SECOND. SO WE NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND RECEIVE AND FILE. OKAY. OKAY. SO SECOND THAT AMENDMENT.

I'LL SECOND THAT ONE AS WELL. CAN I JUST ADD OR ASK A QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC. THANK YOU. THE PROPOSALS THAT YOU HAVE IN HERE TO CLOSE THAT GAP RIGHTSIZING AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.

THE NEXT TIME WE DISCUSS THIS, CAN WE HAVE MAYBE A NUMBER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? SO WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACT THAT WE CAN MAKE.

WE'LL ACTUALLY BE BRINGING UP THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN UPDATE TO YOU AT THE NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING AS WELL. SO THAT'LL GO IN TANDEM WITH THAT. AMAZING. YOU'RE AHEAD OF ME. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? IS THERE A CAP YOU GOT TO COME UP TO THE. ONE OF MY FRIENDS IS ON THAT SECTION EIGHT, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE RENTING GOES UP PERIODICALLY, QUICKLY.

AND I JUST THINK THAT IT'S TOO HIGH THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIX THE RESIDENCE, BUT THE RENT GOES UP. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

MAYBE THAT CAN HELP BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN HELP BRING THE PRICE DOWN.

JUST A SUGGESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT? OKAY. WELL, THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT PROHIBIT INCREASES FROM GOING BEYOND AT THIS POINT.

I THINK IT'S CPI PLUS 5% THE MAX. SO CURRENTLY I BELIEVE IT'S NO MORE THAN 8% INCREASE IS ALLOWED PER YEAR. YOU EVERY YEAR.

THAT'S A BIG INCREASE. PER MINUTE. OKAY. ANY ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? ANYONE ONLINE HAVE NONE. ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. ALL FOR ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY. I WILL TAKE THAT ACTION THEN. THANK YOU FOR AUTHORIZING ME.

THANK YOU MAYOR FOR VOLUNTEERING. OKAY. LET'S SEE, ANY REFERRALS TO STAFF? ANYBODY? OKAY. I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOVE TO ADJOURN. THE COMMUNITY. WAIT. THE FINANCING AUTHORITY.

COMMUNITY FINANCING AUTHORITY. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL FOR. AYE. OKAY. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, SO I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER A REGULAR MEETING OF THE REDONDO BEACH COMMUNITY FINANCING AUTHORITY.

COULD I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MEMBER WALLER.

PRESENT. MEMBER CASTLE. HERE. MEMBER KALUDEROVIC.

HERE. MEMBER OBAGI. HERE. MEMBER BEHRENDT. ABSENT.

CHAIRMAN. LIGHT. HERE. OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA? MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. OKAY, MOTION AND SECOND. ALL FOR. AYE.

SO THAT'S UNANIMOUS EXCEPT FOR THE MISSING COUNCIL MEMBER.

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OKAY. WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

DOES ANYONE WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? NO. NOPE. NOPE. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT. OKAY.

SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND.

DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? THAT'S ITEMS C.1 THROUGH C.4 ON THE COMMUNITY FINANCING AUTHORITY.

OKAY. ANYONE ONLINE? NONE ONLINE OR NO ECOMMENTS.

OKAY. ALL FOR AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY. UNANIMOUS.

C.1 THROUGH C.4 ARE APPROVED. NOW PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY FINANCING AUTHORITY.

THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY FINANCING AUTHORITY.

THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THIS AGENDA FOR ACTION.

THIS SECTION IS LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY.

FINANCING AUTHORITY EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE.

WRITTEN REQUESTS WILL BE CONSIDERED FIRST. I HAVE NO WRITTEN REQUESTS.

ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY FINANCING AUTHORITY ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY. ANYONE ONLINE? NONE. ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.

LET'S SEE. NO PUBLIC HEARINGS, NO NEW BUSINESS.

OKAY. REFERRALS TO STAFF. DOES ANYONE HAVE A REFERRAL TO STAFF FOR THE COMMUNITY FINANCING AUTHORITY? NO. OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. ALL FOR. AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO NOW WE WILL BE RETURNING TO THE REGULAR AGENDA OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

COULD I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER WALLER.

PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER CASTLE. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC.

HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT.

HERE. MAYOR LIGHT. HERE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY BLUE FOLDER ITEMS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING?

[G. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]

THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SECOND? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL FOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

LET'S SEE NOW WE'RE JUMPING DOWN TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

[H. CONSENT CALENDAR]

IT'S EXCITING AND I'M APPRECIATIVE TO SEE THE RESIDENTIAL REHAB PROGRAM GO THROUGH DISTRICT FOUR.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ITEMS H.1 THROUGH H.16. SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A DUAL SECOND. IS THAT A FOURTH? OKAY.

DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ITEMS H.1 THROUGH H.16.

ANYONE ONLINE? I HAVE NO ONE ONLINE. I HAVE ONE ECOMMENT.

I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK THOUGH. GIVE ME A SECOND.

THAT'S IT. ONE ECOMMENT FOR H.15. OPPOSED. FOR WHICH ONE? FOR H.15. ONE ECOMMENT OPPOSED. OKAY, FOR THE RECORD.

THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL FOR? AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY. ITEMS H.1 THROUGH H.16 PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY. SO H.12 ADOPT BY TITLE ONLY. RESOLUTION NUMBER CC-2509-066A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA LEASING CERTAIN PROPERTIES TO EL CINCO DE MAYO MEXICAN FOOD, LLC. H.13. ADOPT BY TITLE ONLY. RESOLUTION NUMBER CC-2509-067.

CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA. LEASING CERTAIN PROPERTY TO GUNGHO ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT AMERICA, INC.. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE'RE AT ITEM J.

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[J. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

THIS SECTION WILL BE LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE.

WRITTEN REQUESTS, IF ANY, WILL BE CONSIDERED FIRST UNDER THIS SECTION.

AND WE DO HAVE SUBMITTED SPEAKER CARDS. SO WE WILL GO WITH THAT FIRST.

IT'S SHEILA JOHANN CONNECT AND THEN LISA HAPPEE-CATES.

HOPE I DIDN'T BUTCHER THAT TOO BAD. GO AHEAD.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. I'M HERE TODAY FOR THE SUPPORT FOR THE SENIORS, WIDOWS AND WIDOWERS.

IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO PAY FOR PERMITS AND THE COST FOR REMODELING, SUCH AS A BATHROOM, A KITCHEN FOR 100 TO 150FT² TO ADD ON TO OUR EXISTING HOME.

I WAS SHOCKED TO HEAR FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT 100FT² WAS ALMOST $6,000, AND FOR 150FT² WAS ALMOST WAS OVER 8000. THIS IS NOT INCLUDING PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, OR MECHANICAL.

MY HOME IS ON 150 BY 50FT LOT, AND MY HOME IS ONLY 780FT².

HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY REALLY GOES TO THE SCHOOLS? I HAD HEARD THAT A PORTION OF THE MONEY GOES TO THE SCHOOLS.

WE ALREADY PAY THE SCHOOLS ON OUR PROPERTY TAXES.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A BOND THAT HAD GONE OUT.

THE LOTTERY HAS A PERCENTAGE, A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE, BUT IT DOES GO OUT.

AND I WANTED TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT GOES TO THE SCHOOLS WITH THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS NOW, THE TARIFFS AND THE LOSS OF WORKERS THAT ICE HAVE TAKEN.

MANY OF THOSE ARE AFRAID TO GO TO WORK. AND NOT TO MENTION WE ARE ON A BUDGET AND TRYING TO FIX OUR HOMES FOR OUR GOLDEN YEARS AND PLANNING ON OUR SSI THAT COULD BE TAKEN AWAY.

WE ARE NOT MOVING. WE ARE STAYING HERE IN OUR HOMES.

I'VE LIVED ON THE BLOCK ALMOST ALL MY LIFE. I AM ALMOST 67.

MY MOM STILL LIVES THERE. MY HUSBAND HAS PASSED AWAY FOUR YEARS AGO.

AND MY HOME NEEDS WORK. I'M NOT FLIPPING MY HOME OR HAVE ANY MONEY LIKE A DEVELOPER OR A CONTRACTOR.

I AM WORKING IN OUR COMMUNITY. I HAD WORKED 12 YEARS FOR REDONDO BEACH MEDICAL GROUP.

I HAVE RAISED OUR KIDS AND I HAVE BEEN A CROSSING GUARD FOR THE REDONDO BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THIS FEBRUARY WILL BE 25 YEARS. BUT NOW I'M ONLY WORKING SUBBING BECAUSE I AM GRANDSITTING FOR OUR GRANDCHILD.

I'M ASKING FOR THE SENIOR DISCOUNT TO BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE HOMES ABOUT 12,000FT² OR LOWER, AND FOR SENIORS IN OUR REDONDO BEACH, SO WE CAN AFFORD TO FIX OUR HOMES AND PUT A WASHER AND DRYER AND MAKE OUR KITCHEN BIGGER, TO SEE THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND STAY ON BUDGET.

MY HOME IS ONLY 780FT². WITH EVERYTHING GOING UP, IT'S DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP AND WE NEED A BREAK.

PLEASE TAKE MY ADVICE INTO CONSIDERATION AND HELP THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF REDONDO.

THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE CROSSING GUARDS.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. I'M UNAWARE THAT DOES ANY OF OUR FEES FOR PLANNING GO TO THE SCHOOLS? NO. SO THAT ALL GOES TO THE CITY. THAT'S ALL.

GENERAL FUND. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. LISA HAPPEE-CATES OR LISA HAPPEE-CATES. THANK YOU. AND THEN HOLLY OSBORNE.

MAYOR LIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

ALL OF YOU. MY NAME IS LISA HAPPEE-CATES, AND I'M THE NEW PRESIDENT OF KEEP THE ESPLANADE BEAUTIFUL.

YOU KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN COACHED TO SAY CERTAIN THINGS. LIKE, MAY I PLEASE ASK TO RECEIVE AND FILE FLIERS FOR OUR MIXER.

MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SECOND, ALL FOR? AYE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION? WE'RE PROVIDING POSITIVE ADVOCACY FOR THE ESPLANADE.

IT TAKES A VILLAGE. WE WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL MIXER ON OCTOBER 22ND, 05:30 TO 7:30 AT HT GRILL,

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WE ALSO HAVE ATHENS, WHICH ALWAYS HELPS US WITH OUR TRASHES.

DIVE AND SURF, VILLAGE RUNNER, WICKER AND WICKERS LAW.

AND NOW WE HAVE PORSCHE EXPERIENCE DONATING AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT GUYS HELPING US OUT.

THE PROCEEDS TO THIS WILL ACTUALLY HELP PROVIDE US GETTING THE WORD OUT.

NOT JUST COLLATERAL PAPER, WHICH WE DON'T LIKE TO DO, BUT ALSO NOW WE'VE STARTED A SCHOLARSHIP FUND.

SO WITH REDONDO UNION HIGH SCHOOL, THAT'S IN THE WORKS, WE'RE HOPING TO DO TWO THIS YEAR.

AND THEN MAYBE CONTINUE ON WITH SOUTH HIGH AT BISHOP MONTGOMERY, ETCETERA.

A FINAL GOAL OF OURS HAS BEEN TO HAVE THE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM HAPPEN.

SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED SINCE OUR INCEPTION IN 2017 AS A NONPROFIT.

AND FINALLY, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WALLER.

WE ARE HAVING OUR SWEEP THIS SATURDAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE HOSTING THE BOY SCOUTS CLUB 555.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A TABLE THERE SELLING TREES FOR $25 FOR THE BIG TREE PUSH.

SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME DOWN TO THE ESPLANADE FOR OUR SWEEP THIS SATURDAY AT 9 A.M., THEY'LL BE THERE AS WELL.

AND THAT IS IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HOLLY OSBORNE, THEN JIM MUELLER.

GOOD EVENING, MISTER MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DOCTOR OSBORNE, DISTRICT FIVE.

AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE PLANS FOR THE PHASE TWO OF THE OF THE GALLERIA WERE PRESENTED.

THEY WERE OVERWHELMING, TO SAY THE LEAST. AND THIS CAME ON THE AGENDA WITH VERY LITTLE PUBLIC AWARENESS.

AND ITS MASSIVE SCALE WAS LARGELY GREETED WITH DISMAY AND APPREHENSION.

BUT I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON ONE ASPECT. PART OF THE PLANS INCLUDED 15 NEW TOWNHOMES ALONG KINGSDALE.

I THOUGHT FINALLY, MAYBE 15 YOUNGER PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING INTO THE HOUSING MARKET, EVEN IF IT REQUIRED SOME HELP FROM MOM AND DAD.

BUT THEN SOME TROUBLING REVELATIONS WERE MADE.

THAT BIG PARCEL WITH THE 15 HOUSES COULD ALL BE BROKEN OFF FROM THE REST OF THE GALLERIA PROPERTY AND SOLD SEPARATELY.

IT WAS UNCLEAR IF THIS WAS BEFORE OR AFTER THE HOMES WERE BUILT, AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER SOME ADVANCE MONEY UP FRONT. NOW, SELLING YOUR ASSETS BEFORE YOU'VE EVEN STARTED SOUNDS LIKE A PONZI SCHEME TO ME.

NOW, IF IT WAS SOLD EMPTY, IT WAS UNCLEAR WHETHER THE DEVELOPER COULD HE DO WHATEVER HE WANTED WITH IT.

WOULD HE BUILD THE 15 TOWNHOMES? I DON'T KNOW, THAT WASN'T MADE CLEAR.

BUT IF THE 15 HOMES WERE BUILT AND THEN SOLD OFF AS ONE, THAT'S WHEN HEDGE FUNDS BUY WHOLE DEVELOPMENTS AND THEN THEY CONTROL THEM.

DO THEY SELL THEM TO PEOPLE? NO, THEY CONTROL THEM TO RENT.

YOU READ ABOUT THAT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND THAT ASPECT MAKES ME EVEN MADDER THAN SOME OF THE SHENANIGANS GOING WITH THE METRO PROJECT FOR, BECAUSE THAT, TO ME IS LIKE A MONOPOLY ON HOUSING, WHEN HEDGE FUNDS GRAB THE SINGLE HOMES THAT SHOULD GO TO PEOPLE, IT'S LIKE MONOPOLIZING THE WATER SUPPLY OR THE ELECTRIC SUPPLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BILLS IN THE LEGISLATURE TO STOP IT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN VERY FAR.

SO ANYWAY. LIKE I SAID, I'M MORE UPSET ABOUT HEDGE FUNDS WITH HOUSING, AND I EXPECT YOU GUYS TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER IF THIS THING COMES BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE I CAN'T ASK THEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. JIM MUELLER AND THEN LAURA DUKE.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL JIM MUELLER, DISTRICT FIVE. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO ADDRESS YOU.

I HAVE A CONTRARY OPINION ABOUT THAT PLAN. I THINK THE LARGE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY ADJOINING KINGSDALE IS VERY GOOD FOR REDONDO BEACH. NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO INCREASE THE CITY'S HOUSING SUPPLY AND ADD PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THRIVING RETAIL, WHICH WILL BRING EVEN MORE TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY AND I KNOW THAT'S A FAVORITE OF THE MAYOR. THE PROJECT WILL PUT NEARLY 1000 PEOPLE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE GALLERIA SPACE, AND IT WILL RENEW THE RETAIL POTENTIAL OF THE GALLERIA. HOWEVER, THE CITY GOVERNMENT CANNOT SIT BACK AND READY WITH THE PERMIT PAD.

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NOWADAYS, LOCALLY PURCHASED GOODS ARE NOT MERELY SOLD OFF THE SHELF, THEY ARE SOLD IN CONCERT WITH SERVICES AND EXPERIENCES.

A GROCERY STORE IS NO LONGER A PLACE WHERE YOU WANDER AROUND AMONG SHELVES OF RAW GOODS.

A 21ST CENTURY GROCERY STORE IS ONE WHERE ONE LEARNS ABOUT FOOD PRODUCTS, EXPERIENCES NEW TASTES WITH FRIENDS, TAKES HOME PREPARED DISHES, AND MANY OTHER SECTORS OF RETAIL, GOODS AND SERVICES ARE SOLD IN A SOCIAL ATMOSPHERE.

THE NEW APARTMENTS, THE 600 OF THEM EVENTUALLY IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, ARE MORE AMENABLE TO SINGLE PEOPLE OR COUPLES WITH FAMILIES THESE THAN COUPLES WITH FAMILIES. I'M SORRY THESE PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE LOOKING FOR SOCIAL EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE THEIR HOME.

THIS IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEW STYLE OF EXPERIENTIAL AND SOCIAL RETAIL I DESCRIBED.

THE CITY MUST BE ACTIVE IN RESEARCHING, COMMUNICATING WITH, AND ENCOURAGING THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE MOST LIKELY TO REALIZE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT COMMUNITY. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE ARTESIA BOULEVARD BUSINESS DISTRICT OVER THE YEARS? HAPHAZARD, RANDOM DEVELOPMENT RESULTING IN UNDERPERFORMANCE AND INROADS OF NEGATIVE VALUE BUSINESSES SHOULD NO LONGER BE STANDARD IN REDONDO BEACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAURA DUKE. AND THEN THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS MICKEY JOHNSON.

GOOD EVENING. IT'LL MAKE SENSE IN A MINUTE. GOOD EVENING.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR LIGHT AND CITY STAFF. MY NAME IS LAURA DUKE.

DISTRICT THREE. AND THIS EVENING, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE REPRESENTING THE FRIENDS OF REDONDO BEACH ARTS.

AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO ASK IF I CAN SUBMIT THEM.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I'M HERE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE JEWEL OF REDONDO BEACH 2025, WHICH WILL RECOGNIZE A HOME WITH EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE ARTISTIC ELEMENTS.

AND THIS YEAR, THERE'S A SPECIAL FOCUS ON GARDENS AND LANDSCAPING.

THUS THE GARDENING HAT TO HELP YOU REMEMBER THAT PART.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET AS MANY SUBMISSIONS FROM ALL FIVE DISTRICTS AS POSSIBLE, AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS REALLY VERY EASY.

IF YOU ARE, SAY, GOING FOR A WALK AND YOU SEE A PROPERTY ON YOUR DAILY WALK, THAT OR EVEN YOU DON'T WALK THAT OFTEN, YOU DRIVE BY AT HOME THAT IS ESPECIALLY CAPTIVATING TO YOU IN SOME WAY.

WITH USING THESE ELEMENTS, WE'VE DESCRIBED THE ARCHITECTURE, ARTISTIC ELEMENTS OR LANDSCAPING ESPECIALLY YOU COULD SUBMIT THAT AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR THE JEWEL OF REDONDO 2025 THE DETAILS TO SUBMIT ARE ON THE FRIENDS OF REDONDO BEACH ARTS WEBSITE AND ON SOCIAL MEDIAS INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK, IF YOU JUST GO, JUST GO TO YOUR BROWSER AND PUT IN FRIENDS REDONDO BEACH ARTS.

THE SITE WILL COME UP AND THERE'S A VERY SLICK, NICE, VERY SIMPLE WAY TO O APPLY TO IT.

THE WINNER WILL RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION AND AN ORIGINAL PAINTING OF THE PROPERTY BY AN ARTIST WITH THE FRIENDS REDONDO BEACH ARTS.

THE DEADLINE IS SEPTEMBER 30TH, SO THERE'S STILL TIME.

AND I DID EMAIL ALL OF YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO THE FLIER AND I DID HEAR BACK FROM A COUPLE OF YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. NOT ONLY DID YOU RESPOND, BUT YOU PARTICIPATED TOO.

SO THAT'S AWESOME. BUT THERE'S STILL TIME FOR THE REST OF YOU TO HELP US OUT, TO GET THE WORD OUT.

I'M HOPING MAYBE YOU COULD GO TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, GET IT KNOWN AT YOUR DISTRICT MEETINGS OR.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE IF IT'S TOO, IF IT'S CONSIDERED SPAM OR NOT, BUT IF YOU COULD GET IT OUT TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS VIA EMAIL, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME TOO. THE MORE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION, THE BETTER.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE FRIENDS OF REDONDO BEACH ARTS IS ALL ABOUT. AND ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE? IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THE FLIER I HAVE.

OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I JUST GAVE ALL MY FLIERS. I NEED TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE FLIERS BACK, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE AND I WON'T MAKE A RUCKUS, I'LL TAKE IT OUT TO THE LOBBY. AND ALSO, WE'VE HAD THE QUESTION.

CAN YOU SUBMIT YOUR OWN HOUSE AND ABSOLUTELY.

PLEASE DO. THANK YOU. OKAY. MICKEY JOHNSON. AND THAT'S THE LAST CARD I HAVE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M MICKEY JOHNSON.

I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH REDONDO BEACH BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.

AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT DINING AROUND ARTESIA.

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AND COUNCILMAN OBAGI, CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAD A GREAT EXCUSE BY HAVING A BRAND NEW BABY, SO YOU MISSED IT.

CONGRATULATIONS BUT I THINK THE BABY CAN BE IN A STROLLER THIS TIME.

YES, YES, I WAS ABOUT TO BUY MY TICKET, ACTUALLY.

OKAY, SO ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, WE'LL BE HAVING DINE AROUND ARTESIA WEST, AND WE HAVE 44 LOCAL BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, SHOPS AND ARTISTS WHO ARE ALL PARTICIPATING.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, THIS YEAR WE ADDED AN ART WALK TO IT, AND I'M HOPING THAT NEXT YEAR WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE FRIENDS OF REDONDO BEACH ART, OF WHICH I'M ALSO A MEMBER, WILL PARTICIPATE WITH US AND REALLY MAKE THE ART WALK EVEN MORE SPECIAL.

TICKETS ARE $35 AND YOU CAN GET A $5 DISCOUNT WITH DAAWMJ, DINE AROUND ARTESIA WEST MICKEY JOHNSON [LAUGHS] $5 DISCOUNT.

AND WE'RE ALSO HAVING SOMETHING SPECIAL IN WEST.

WE'RE HAVING DINING AND DOGGIES. SO WE HAVE A A LOCAL NONPROFIT, DOG RESCUE WHO IS RUN BY 21 YEAR OLD PRESIDENT SYDNEY MAILMAN. AND SHE IS GOING TO HAVE NEAR VAIL, SHE'S GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THE DOGS SET UP WHO ARE AVAILABLE FOR RESCUE. AND THE REALLY COOL PART ABOUT THIS ISN'T JUST THAT SYDNEY IS VERY YOUNG TO BE DOING SOMETHING SO WONDERFUL.

BUT THAT ALSO THE DOGS THAT THEY FOCUS ON ARE THE OVERLOOKED DOGS, THE DOGS THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OLDER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S PRETTY COOL. WE ALSO HAVE A BIG ENTER TO WIN.

WE HAVE OVER $5,000 IN PRIZES THAT HAVE BEEN DONATED BY ALL THESE BUSINESSES.

AND THEN RIGHT AFTER DINING AROUND ARTESIA ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, THE NEXT MORNING, YOU ROLL INTO RISE AND SHINE REDONDO, AND WE'RE HAVING DOCTOR WESLEY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THE SUPERINTENDENT, SHE'LL BE TALKING TO US ABOUT UPDATES ON MEASURE S AS WELL AS RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH BO BASSE, WHO'S GOING TO BE ASKING THE NRBBA MEMBERS ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS FOR THE PUBLIC ART PROJECT ON ARTESIA. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, WE TOOK A PAGE FROM KEEP THE ESPLANADE BEAUTIFUL AND WE'RE HAVING OUR SECOND SATURDAY SWEEP THAT JEFF ROE HAS BEEN DOING FOR MONTHS.

THAT'S FROM 9 TO 12. ON THE GREENWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE CARDS. ANY ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? WE NEED TO GET THIS UP HIGHER.

PAT MAROKO FROM DISTRICT THREE. I KNOW THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TO ADJOURN IN THE MEMORY OF ED STAAL.

I DO, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO KNOW HIM, HE WAS A GREAT PERSON.

IF YOU GO INTO THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM, YOU WILL SEE A DISPLAY CASE OF ALL SORTS OF OLD POLICE CAMERAS THAT HE DONATED TO THE CITY.

THERE WAS A LOT. WE WERE TRYING AT ONE POINT TO GET A MUG SHOT THAT THEY USED WITH THE CAMERAS FOR.

THERE'S ALSO A STAINED GLASS WINDOW IN THERE THAT CAME FROM THE SAINT JAMES CHURCH.

AND WE WERE STARTED WITH HIM AND HIS WIFE, THEY GOT MARRIED IN FRONT OF THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO BUILD ON THAT COLLECTION FROM OTHER FAMILIES THAT GOT MARRIED THERE.

SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE RECOGNIZING WITH AN ADJOURNMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? ANYONE ONLINE? I HAVE NO ONE ONLINE. AND I HAVE NO ECOMMENTS FOR THIS.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM ANYONE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION.

[N. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]

JOY, YOU'VE GOT THE FLOOR. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR, JOY FORD, CITY ATTORNEY.

I AM HERE FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM. THIS IS AN UPDATE TO OUR ACR PROGRAM.

AND WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHAT WE HOPE TO DO SOON.

SO AN ALTERNATIVE CRISIS RESPONSE IS EXACTLY THAT.

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THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN BY LILA MOURA. YOU CAN SEE THE FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS AND OFFICERS THAT COULD RESPOND TO A PROGRAM AND TO AN INCIDENT. AND SO WITH AN ACR PROGRAM, WE'RE HOPING TO SAVE RESOURCES FROM, FOR THE CITY AND TO HAVE APPROPRIATE AND CERTIFIED SPECIALISTS WHO CAN APPROPRIATELY RESPOND TO MENTAL ILLNESS RELATED INCIDENTS. SO WE STARTED OUT BY APPROACHING THE DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH FOR A DEDICATED CLINICIAN.

WE OFFERED TO TO GIVE THEM FUNDING TO HAVE A DEDICATED CLINICIAN.

THAT WAS MONTHS OF MEETINGS AND EMAILS, AND IT DID NOT WORK OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE A CLINICIAN.

CLINICIANS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ARE IN HIGH DEMAND.

SO IT IS A WORKFORCE ISSUE. AND SO THAT DID NOT WORK OUT.

WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE BEACH CITIES HEALTH DISTRICT, AND WHAT RESULTED FROM THAT WAS THEM GRANTING THE CITY $50,000 A YEAR FOR OUR HOMELESS RELATED PROGRAMS. THAT HAPPENED FOR TWO YEARS, AND THEN THEY HAD TO CEASE THAT GRANT.

AND THEN WE CONSIDERED THIRD PARTY VENDORS. THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY COG DID AN RFP IN 2022 AND GOT NO RESPONSES. HERMOSA BEACH RECEIVED A FEDERAL GRANT FROM CONGRESSMAN TED LIEU.

AND SO BASED ON WHAT THAT COG DID, THEY USED THE SAME VENDOR, L.A CADA, AS A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR. SO WE DID APPROACH L.A CADA. WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM, AND THEY DID COME RECOMMENDED BY OUR COG, THE SOUTH BAY COG. HOWEVER I THINK THEY ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN DOING A MOBILE ACR TEAM, SO THEY STOPPED COMMUNICATING WITH US. WE CONSIDERED A CITY EMPLOYED MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN.

WE DID GO TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO LOOK AT THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE HIPAA LAWS AND A LOT OF LIABILITY THAT COMES WITH THAT.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INSURANCE FOR MEDICAL MALPRACTICE.

THE CITY HAS, COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC LIKES TO SAY WE DO NOT HAVE OUR OWN HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS THE COUNTY, LONG BEACH OR PASADENA DO. SO IT'S JUST I WOULDN'T SAY IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S COMPLICATED AND DIFFICULT.

SO I REACHED OUT TO CLEAR RECOVERY CENTER AND ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH THE CITY IN THIS CAPACITY. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

BUT ANOTHER ANOTHER STRATEGIC ITEM THE COUNCIL WANTED US TO ADDRESS WAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH HERMOSA BEACH.

HERMOSA ACR TEAM IS GOING TO EXPIRE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH.

THAT IS DUE TO THEIR FUNDING EXPIRING. AND SO L.A CADA WILL NOT BE THEIR ACR TEAM AFTER THE 30TH.

I DID SPEAK WITH THEIR NEW INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND THEIR STAFF.

THEY HAVE AGREED TO A PARTNERSHIP. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO MEETING WITH THE COG ABOUT FUTURE FUNDS.

THE NEW MEASURE, A LOCAL SOLUTIONS FUND. THEY DID EXPRESS THAT A PARTNERSHIP WITH HERMOSA COULD LEND ITSELF TO MORE FUNDING FOR ACR TEAM IN THE FUTURE. SO CLEAR.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF RON WHITE. HE IS OUR COUNSELOR FOR HOMELESS COURT.

AND I JUST WANT TO DO A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT FOR RON WHITE BECAUSE HE IS OUR SECOND ANGEL IN THE CITY.

HE HAS HELPED SO MANY OF OUR HOMELESS COURT PARTICIPANTS AND GRADUATES.

HE DOES FOLLOW UP WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE HOUSED.

HE IS JUST AN AMAZING INDIVIDUAL. SO WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH CLEAR IN THIS CAPACITY SINCE 2019 AND THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER, WHICH IS WHY I THOUGHT THAT I COULD APPROACH THEM WITH THIS IDEA.

AND WE HAVE GOTTEN VERY FAR WITH THEM. THEY HAVE AGREED TO PROVIDE A PROJECT DIRECTOR FOR SUPERVISION, A LICENSED THERAPIST AND A COUNSELOR. THEY DO HAVE SOME REQUESTS.

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WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THAT EACH SIDE INDEMNIFIES THE OTHER FOR CLAIMS ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH ITS PERFORMANCE FOR ANYTHING. SO THEN I WENT BACK TO THEM AND SAID, WELL, CAN WE LIMIT THAT MUTUAL INDEMNITY SO THAT CLEAR WILL INDEMNIFY THE CITY FOR THEIR NEGLIGENCE, GROSS NEGLIGENCE AND WILLFUL MISCONDUCT? AND THE CITY WILL INDEMNIFY CLEAR FOR THE CITY'S GROSS NEGLIGENCE AND WILLFUL MISCONDUCT.

SO THE EXPOSURE IS LESS. AND THEY AGREED TO THAT.

AND THEY'RE ASKING TO LIMIT THEIR INSURANCE COVERAGE TO 10 MILLION.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE INSURED FOR. IF WE AGREE TO THAT IT DOESN'T STOP US FROM HAVING TO SUE.

CLEAR. IF THERE WERE, THERE WAS MORE TO THE LIABILITY FOR THE DIFFERENCE.

THE ONLY RISK IS THAT THEY COULD BECOME INSOLVENT IF THE CLAIM IS TOO LARGE.

DOES OUR RISK PROGRAM COVER THAT? WILL THEY ACCEPT 10 MILLION? ARE WE VIOLATING OUR? SO I WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR THAT WITH OUR RISK MANAGEMENT BEFORE WE AGREE TO ANYTHING.

I JUST WANTED TO. TEST THE WATER. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.

I'M NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS TIME.

SO I AM SEEKING DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL AS TO WHERE, WHAT NEXT STEPS YOU WOULD LIKE OUR OFFICE TO TAKE? WE COULD ACCEPT CLEAR'S TERMS ON THE CONDITION THAT IT DOES PASS WITH OUR RISK MANAGEMENT PLAN.

OR YOU CAN DIRECT ME TO LOOK FOR OTHER OPTIONS.

OR WE CAN EXECUTE AN RFP, AS WE'VE SEEN, HAS NOT BEEN FRUITFUL.

THE RISK OF THE SECOND AND THIRD OPTIONS WOULD BE TO DELAY AN ACR PROGRAM, AND OUR GRANT IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE, SO WE COULD RISK LOSING OUR GRANT IF WE DON'T ACCEPT CLEAR'S TERMS. SO IT SEEMS YOU'RE STEERING US TOWARDS A SOLE SOURCE? YES. AND THAT WOULDN'T VIOLATE ANY OF OUR CITY? NO. OKAY. I THINK THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO BE TOUGH ON THE INDEMNITY.

THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE. SO A MUTUAL INDEMNITY IS NOT UNHEARD OF.

WE HAVE AGREED TO MUTUAL INDEMNITY WITH BIGGER AGENCIES WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BARGAINING POWER.

AT LEAST THEY DID AGREE TO THE LIMITED MUTUAL INDEMNITY.

AND SO IT DOESN'T EXPOSE US TO A LOT. AND AND THEY DID COMPROMISE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR THIS RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT CORRECT? WE DO HAVE FUNDING AND IT'S GOING TO EXPIRE BY THE END OF DECEMBER IF WE DON'T GET AN EXTENSION.

BUT IF WE IF WE DON'T SHOW MORE PROGRESS THAN WE HAVE, WE COULD RISK LOSING THAT GRANT.

BUT IN PARALLEL, WE'RE APPLYING FOR A JOINT GRANT WITH OR WE'RE TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT.

YES. OKAY. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION? YES.

OKAY. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY FORD. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE? SO WITH RESPECT TO THE INDEMNITY AND THE LIABILITY AND INSURANCE, WITH THE INDEMNITY BE A SO-CALLED COMPARATIVE FAULT.

INDEMNITY WHERE IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM AND THE CITY WAS SUED AND WE ASKED FOR INDEMNITY FROM CLEAR, THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, ULTIMATELY, HEY, YOU'RE 30% AT FAULT CITY.

WE'RE 70%. WE'RE ONLY GIVING YOU 70%. WHAT? HOW WOULD THIS INDEMNITY WORK UNDER WHAT IT IS THEY'RE PROPOSING? SO IF IT'S THE CITY'S NEGLIGENCE OR WILLFUL GROSS NEGLIGENCE OR WILLFUL MISCONDUCT, THEN CLEAR WOULD HAVE TO INDEMNIFY US 100%.

IF IT'S CLEAR'S NEGLIGENCE, GROSS NEGLIGENCE OR WILLFUL MISCONDUCT, THEN CLEAR AND SORRY, I MIGHT HAVE MIXED THAT UP. CLEAR WOULD INDEMNIFY THE CITY FOR THEIR MISCONDUCT.

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OKAY. AND IF BOTH CLEAR AND THE CITY HAD GROSS NEGLIGENCE.

THEN THERE WERE SO-CALLED GROSS NEGLIGENCE, THERE WOULD BE NO INDEMNITY, OR WOULD IT BE A SPLIT OF, WELL, WHAT PERCENTAGE FAULT WAS THE CITY VERSUS IF, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD UNDER THESE TERMS? AND WE HAVEN'T HASHED OUT OR CONFIRMED THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE END, IT WOULD BE CLEAR INDEMNIFYING THE CITY FOR GROSS NEGLIGENCE.

OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE LIABILITY LIMITED TO INSURANCE COVERAGE, CLEAR SAYING, HEY, OUR LIABILITY, WE WANT IT CAPPED, INDEMNITY LIABILITY AT OUR INSURANCE COVERAGE LIMIT.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THEY WANT THEIR INSURANCE.

THANK YOU. THEIR INSURANCE COVERAGE LIMIT TO BE 10 MILLION.

THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE INSURED FOR. OKAY. DO YOU SEE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO RISK MANAGEMENT OR HAVE HISTORIC, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? IS THAT LIKE WOW, THAT'S PLENTY.

OR ARE YOU. I DID NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY. THIS WAS LITERALLY AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON THAT I ASKED THEM, WHAT IS YOUR LIMIT? AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY GAVE ME.

I'VE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO OUR RISK MANAGEMENT, AND I COULDN'T SAY WHAT KIND OF LAWSUIT WE WOULD GET IN THE FUTURE OR HOW HIGH THAT COULD BE. AND GIVEN THAT THEY WOULD BE ON THE STREETS REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESSES, IT COULD BE HIGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THAT'S IT. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER WALLER. LOVE TO SEE THIS.

A GREAT PRESENTATION. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWING WITH THE POLICE, THEY WERE SAYING, WELL, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT DEFUND THE POLICE? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT'S NOT DEFUND.

IT'S FIND WAYS OF HAVING OTHER PEOPLE HANDLE THESE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE DOING.

AND THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT. IT'S A WAY OF ACTUALLY HAVING THE RIGHT KIND OF PERSON DOING THE JOB.

SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN TRAINED FOR IT. SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO IT. I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED AND DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU HAD SO MUCH TROUBLE FINDING A PROVIDER.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, ASSUMING THAT RISK MANAGEMENT DOESN'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THE 10 MILLION LIABILITY OR LIMIT TO THEIR LIABILITY INSURANCE I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH YOU MOVING FORWARD, AS STATED WITH THE MUTUAL INDEMNIFICATION AS WRITTEN. BUT I THINK THIS IS GREAT PROGRESS. SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO.

WORKING WITH HERMOSA IS GOOD. WE'VE GOT THE GRANT MONEY THAT WE NEED TO USE BEFORE DECEMBER.

SO I THINK IT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO KEEP MOVING ON THIS AND FIND OUT WHAT RISK MANAGEMENT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS, AND I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU'RE LEANING ABOUT SOLE SOURCING SINCE WE'VE SEEN RFPS HAVE FAILED. AND I'D RATHER GO, I SAW THEM AT THE ONE HOMELESS COURT I GOT TO ATTEND AND WAS VERY IMPRESSED.

SO YOU KNOW, I'M A FAN OF GOING WITH WHO YOU KNOW, VERSUS WHO YOU DON'T.

SO AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY OF OUR INTERNAL RULES.

SO I'M OKAY WITH GOING FORWARD WITH THE PROVISO, OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE RISK TO THE CITY IS 10 MILLION PUTTING US AT UNDUE RISK. AND THE INDEMNITY CLAUSE DOES, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM BACK FROM RISK MANAGEMENT ON THAT AS WELL.

BUT I'M ALL FOR PROCEEDING IN THIS DIRECTION.

ANY ANYONE ELSE ON THE COUNCIL? I GUESS IF THE CITY MANAGER WHO'S HERE.

YEAH I BASED ON WHAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM DIANE, I THINK WE CAN ACCEPT THESE PROVISIONS.

IT'S JUST. BUT I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH HER BEFORE WE BRING THIS CONTRACT BACK TO YOU.

OKAY. DO YOU NEED A MOTION FROM US, OR IS THAT ENOUGH OR.

NO? I HAVE DIRECTION. WE'LL COME BACK WITH A DRAFT FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE OR IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I MEAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO RISK MANAGEMENT TO DIVE INTO ALL THE ISSUES AND MEASURE WHAT OUR ACTUAL RISK IS IN THIS CONTRACT AND WITH THEIR SERVICE.

SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO GO ON THEIR THEIR OPINION AGREED TO ME.

THIS AND FAMILY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING ARE THE TWO LAST GAPS IN OUR, WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE IT BETTER.

BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO LAST BIG GAPS I THINK, IN OUR OFFERING.

SO IF WE CAN CLOSE THIS I WOULD LOVE IT. YES.

QUICK COMMENT. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ANALYZE OUR RISK IN THIS INDEMNITY LANGUAGE, BUT IMAGINE IF WE HAVE MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE OUT THERE NOT RECEIVING ANY SORT OF TREATMENT, WHAT OUR EXPOSURE IS IN THAT SCENARIO VERSUS HAVING THIS CONTRACT THAT'S GOT INDEMNITIES THAT AREN'T EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE.

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80 TO 90%. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

AND IT'S PREEMPTIVE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE STREET.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO I ASSUME YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE.

I AM, YEAH. SO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM BEFORE WE LEAVE IT? ANYONE ONLINE? OKAY. DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL DONE. OKAY. NEXT IS CITY MANAGER ITEMS.

[O. CITY MANAGER ITEMS]

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE SEPTEMBER 16TH AND THEN WE WILL BE DARK, PRESUMABLY AT THIS POINT FOR THE TUESDAYS ON THE 23RD AND THE 30TH.

THERE ARE FIVE TUESDAYS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, SO UNLESS SOMETHING URGENT COMES UP, YOU WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS OFF TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH. JUST AN FYI, IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR, MAYBE WE CAN REPLACE THE TWO IN OCTOBER.

THEN I'LL BE MISSING. MOVE THEM UP TO SEPTEMBER.

IF I COULD PROMISE THAT ALL OF THE ITEMS IN OCTOBER WERE AVAILABLE, WE WOULD DO THAT. I SOMEHOW DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.

BEHRENDT RUNNING THE SHOW. WELL, I'M GOING TO MISS IT ANYWAY [LAUGHS], BUT THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY, GOING DOWN TO ITEM P.1 MAYOR AND COUNCIL ITEMS.

[P. MAYOR AND COUNCIL ITEMS]

AND RELATED TO THAT, THE RELATED ITEMS TO THAT.

SEVERAL OF THE ORDINANCES PERTAINING TO THE COMMISSIONS THE AGENDA FORMAT AND SCRIPTS FOR MEETING CONTROLLING THE MEETING WHEN WE HAVE DISRUPTIVE FOLKS.

SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I'M PRESENTING ON THAT.

SO IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE PRESENTATION AND JUST A PREAMBLE, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT.

THIS IS THE FIRST INTRODUCTION. SO WE WILL HASH OUT HOW WE WANT TO DO COMMENTS TO THIS IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THIS IS JUST A, THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE RESULTS OF A FIRST DRAFT AND, AND PUTTING IT OUT TO THE COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENT AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC. SO WITH THAT, CAN CAN WE GO TO THE PRESENTATION, ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANT TO SAY TO MAYBE PREAMBLE TO THIS? YEAH, MAYBE I'LL ADD ONE THING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MIGHT RECALL THAT THE MAYOR VOLUNTEERED TO KIND OF TAKE A STAB AT THIS.

I THINK A LOT OF KUDOS TO THE MAYOR FOR DOING THAT.

AS YOU SAW IN YOUR BLUE FOLDER ITEM THESE RULES WERE INITIALLY CREATED ABOUT 18 DAYS BEFORE I WAS BORN.

IT WAS AN IRONIC TIMING. SO THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 48 YEARS.

YOU CAN BY WAY OF THAT, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF EXCITEMENT TO MAKE CHANGES, BECAUSE IT'S A BIT OF A HERCULEAN TASK. THE MAYOR SPENT A LOT OF HOURS ON THIS.

WE SORT OF WATCHED HIM FROM AFAR. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS REALLY IS A POLICY DOCUMENT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE SIX OF YOU NEED TO ULTIMATELY AGREE ON.

IT'S HOW YOU CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS. AND THEN BY WAY OF THAT, HOW THE COMMISSION'S WILL IN TURN CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS.

AND I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE EXPECTATIONS HERE.

AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THIS IS AN INTRODUCTORY ITEM.

THIS IS NOT THE LAST STOP, BUT THIS IS A MAJOR FIRST STEP BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF WORK TO GET TO THIS POINT.

THERE ARE SOME ITEMS IN HERE. I'M SURE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL WANT TO GIVE REVISED DIRECTION ON.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO APPROACH THIS. WHAT I'VE TOLD A FEW OF YOU PRIVATELY IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO COUPLE ALL OF THIS TOGETHER.

IF THERE ARE THINGS YOU COALESCE AROUND AS IT PERTAINS TO COMMISSION STRUCTURES OR AGENDA OR RULES OR SCRIPTS ASSOCIATED WITH DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR.

IF THERE ARE ITEMS YOU CAN COALESCE AROUND THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD MORE QUICKLY.

GREAT. IF THERE ARE ITEMS YOU WANT TO TAKE MORE TIME TO DIGEST, SYNTHESIZE, PROVIDE COMMENTS ON ALSO.

GREAT. WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT. I BELIEVE THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS DONE QUITE A BIT OF REVIEW OF THIS AS WELL TO SUPPORT THE MAYOR.

AGAIN, THE MAYOR IS AUTHOR HERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM FULL CREDIT FOR THAT.

BUT IT IS THE STARTING POINT, AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.

AND AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE END POINT. I USE THIS ANALOGY WITH A FEW OF YOU EARLIER.

I THINK IT WAS COACH JOHN WOODEN WHO SAID BE QUICK, BUT DON'T HURRY.

I THINK THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THIS.

WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE ALL MOMENTUM. AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT YOU THINK MAKE IMMEDIATE SENSE TO YOU, WE CAN STEP OUT ON THOSE MORE QUICKLY AND LET OTHER ITEMS TRAIL.

SO I THINK LUKE'S GOING TO TRY TO RUN THE POWERPOINT.

I BELIEVE I SEE OUR I.T. DIRECTOR HERE TO HELP.

I DO WANT TO THANK, YOU KNOW ELEANOR AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR PROVIDING COMMENTS TO JOY AND CHERYL OUT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

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AND ALSO THE LIAISONS WHO GAVE INPUT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

SO WITH THAT, LUKE, IF WE CAN JUMP TO THE FIRST SLIDE.

OKAY. SO FIRST I'M GOING TO PAINT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE HOW WE GOT TO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

THIS FIRST STARTED WITH THE WITH DISCUSSIONS AMONGST THE COUNCIL TARGETING BOTH COUNCIL AND COMMISSION OF CIVILITY IN PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT THIS AND THERE'S ABOUT ONE PAGE RELATED TO DECORUM IN THE CURRENT RULES OF CONDUCT FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. THE COMMISSIONER'S HANDBOOK INCLUDED WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AND SOME NARRATIVES ABOUT EXPECTATIONS OF COMMISSIONERS.

I ALSO RECEIVED LATER SEVERAL STAFF REPORTS ON CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED BY PREVIOUS COUNCILS, BUT WERE NEVER ACTED UPON. THOSE ITEMS THAT I REVIEWED WERE LIGHT ON DECORUM.

IT PROVIDED SOME GUIDANCE ON MEETING PROCEDURES, BUT IT WASN'T COMPREHENSIVE.

IN FACT THE CITY HAS NEVER HAD COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE RULES OF CONDUCT ON HOW WE CONDUCT THE MEETINGS WHICH WE'LL HEAR WHICH WE HEARD LATER FROM PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY MIKE WEBB.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AS THIS PROGRESSED, SOME OF THE COUNCIL'S CONCERNS ENDED UP BEING ROOTED IN THE DUTIES AND ROLES OF SPECIFIC COMMISSIONS. YOU KNOW, AND WE DO HAVE THE MUNICIPAL CODE DEFINING COMMISSIONS.

THERE'S ARTICLE TWO, CHAPTER NINE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THE FIRST ARTICLE IS UNIFORM CODES. THAT'S SUPPOSED TO TO APPLY TO ALL OF THEM.

AND THEN ARTICLES 4 THROUGH 15 ADDRESSED INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONS.

AND THEY DISCUSS CREATION, MEMBERSHIP TERMS AND POWERS AND DUTIES SOME COMMISSIONS ADDED MORE.

AND THEN THERE WERE MANY MORE ORDINANCES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY CODE THAT INFER OR OUTRIGHT DEFINE THE ROLES OF THE COMMISSIONS.

WHEN YOU INTEGRATE IT ACROSS THOSE THAT WERE INCONSISTENCIES, DUPLICATIONS AND LOOSE DEFINITIONS THAT ALLOWED WIDE INTERPRETATION BY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS, WHICH WE STARTED TO SEE ON SOME OF THE COMMISSIONS JUST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON BOARD.

NEXT SLIDE. THE THIRD AREA WAS ACTIONS OF THE PUBLIC ADDED CONCERNS WITH THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE PUBLIC CIVILITY.

WE WERE WEAK ON INSTRUCTIONS TO THE PUBLIC. WE WERE VERY LIGHT COVERAGE OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA COVER.

THERE WAS GUIDANCE IN THE CITY COUNCIL CODE OF CONDUCT AND COMMISSIONER HANDBOOK, WITH SOME REFERENCE AND GUIDANCE, BUT NO MEAT FOR SUBSTANTIVE ACTION. AND WHEN I FIRST REVIEWED THIS WITH CITY ATTORNEY MIKE WEBB AT THE TIME, HE CONCLUDED, WE DID NOT HAVE THE DOCUMENT, THE PUBLIC DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED TO TAKE MEANINGFUL ACTION TO STOP DISRUPTIONS AS THEY WERE OCCURRING.

NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN FOURTH AFTER A NEAR ISSUE AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'LL PROBABLY REMEMBER THE MEETING.

CHIEF HOFFMAN PROVIDED ME SCRIPTS FROM ANOTHER CITY THAT WAS THE CITY OF GARDENA THAT DEFINED STATEMENTS THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE REMOVAL OF THE DISRUPTIVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

AGAIN, WITH REVIEWING THAT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AT THAT TIME, MIKE WEBB, SAID, YOU CAN'T IMPLEMENT WITHOUT MORE BACKUP PUBLIC DOCUMENTATION SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT AS THEY'RE GOING INTO THAT.

NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM THAT THAT LED TO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS IN HIS LAST BRIEFING IN APRIL CITY ATTORNEY WEBB STATED, SINCE INCEPTION, WE NEVER ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PROCEDURAL STANDARDS FOR CONDUCT OF A MEETING.

THE COUNCIL WOULD, HE OPINED THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD ASK HIM TO ADJUDICATE PROCEDURAL DETAILS AGAINST AN UNDEFINED STANDARD, AND HIS EXAMPLE WAS HOW MANY SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS CAN THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE? IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING FOR HIM TO TO GUIDE US ON THAT OR ADVISE US ON, BECAUSE THE CITY HAD NEVER ADOPTED ANY STANDARDS.

HE RECOMMENDED TAILORING OF ROSENBERG'S RULES OF ORDER, WHICH IS WHAT I PROCEEDED WITH AFTER THAT.

SO JUST IN SUMMARY, SUMMARIZING THAT THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES WERE WHAT WHAT I VIEWED AS FOURFOLD, CITY AND COMMISSION CIVILITY DEFINITIVELY BOUNDING THE SCOPE OF COMMISSIONS PROVIDING THE ABILITY TO CONTROL PUBLIC DISRUPTIONS TO THE EXTENT THAT IS WE CAN DO LEGALLY AND THEN TO ADOPT FORMAL MEETING PROCEDURES.

SO NEXT. SO LOOKING ACROSS THE EXISTING DOCUMENTATION THERE IS THE RULES OF CONDUCT FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS WHICH I REFERRED TO EARLIER.

THE COMMISSIONER HANDBOOK, OUR MUNICIPAL CODE, OUR AGENDA INSTRUCTIONS, THE GARDENA SCRIPTS THAT THE CHIEF HAD PROVIDED ME STAFF

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SO I TOOK THOSE AS THE ROOT DOCUMENTS. AND THEN IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT BUILD, I TOOK THOSE AND KIND OF MASHED THEM TOGETHER, TAILORING SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS, CREATING NEW AREAS WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE COVERAGE AND INTEGRATING AND ALIGNING WHERE WE DID HAVE COVERAGE.

BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN ALIGNMENT WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND THERE WERE CONTRADICTIONS OR THEY WERE UNCLEAR.

AND THEN THE LAST STEP WAS GETTING STAFF INPUT AND INCORPORATING THAT IN THAT, WHICH LEADS TO WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE, YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. NOW, IN THE MEANTIME, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT. WE DID VOTE TO DISBAND THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION. FROM THAT, I DID ADD SOME SAFETY TASKS TO THE PUBLIC WORKS AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION, WHICH YOU SHOULD SEE IN YOUR PACKAGE. THERE'S MUNICIPAL CODE CHANGES TO ELIMINATE CONFLICTS, DUPLICATIONS AND TO DEFINE MORE TIGHTLY THE COMMISSION ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND THEIR PURVIEWS TO UPDATE A LOT OF WHAT WAS IN THERE THAT WAS OUTDATED AND DIDN'T REFLECT CURRENT PRACTICE.

AND THEN TO IMPROVE THE YOUTH COMMISSION, WHICH WE ACTUALLY ACTED ON AS WELL, BECAUSE WE HAD TO BEFORE WE SELECTED THE YOUTH COMMISSIONERS.

UPDATED AND ADDED NEW RULES OF CONDUCT AND DECORUM, THOSE WERE TAILORED FROM REDONDO COUNCIL AND COMMISSION DOCUMENTS AS WELL AS THE OTHER ONES I REFERENCED. I UPDATED THE AGENDA WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, AT LEAST A RECOMMENDED AGENDA AND UPDATED THE RULES OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, CONDUCT AND DECORUM, INCORPORATED THOSE INTO THE AGENDA AND INTO THE RULES OF CONDUCT AND DECORUM.

AND THEN AUTHORED, WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, SCRIPTS AND ACTIONS WHICH I COORDINATED WITH RBPD AND THE CITY ATTORNEY RELATED TO DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIORS. SO ALL THOSE PRODUCTS, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL FROM ALL MY READING ACROSS EVERYTHING, ARE INTEGRATED AND IN SYNC. THERE MAY BE SOME ORDINANCES I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT ARE BURIED SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT I DID NOT UNCOVER, BUT I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST THOROUGH SCRUB WE'VE HAD IN IN DECADES.

SO NEXT SLIDE. SO NOW I'LL BREAK DOWN WHAT THE CHANGES AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.

SO FIRST OFF, RULES OF CONDUCT AND DECORUM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

AND IT'S CLEARLY COVERED UNDER CITY CHARTER, ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 9.8.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ESTABLISH RULES FOR CONDUCT OF ITS PROCEEDINGS.

SO, SUMMARIZING THE CHANGES IN THERE, IT'S ALMOST A TOTAL REWRITE.

IT WAS PRETTY SPARSE, BUT GOING BY SECTION, SECTION ONE WAS THE POLICY ON MEETING CONDUCT THAT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH UNCHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL.

SECTION TWO PARTICIPATION VIA TELECONFERENCE, THERE ARE MINOR MODS TO THAT.

ORIGINALLY, I DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE IT AT ALL, BUT CITY ATTORNEY CAME BACK WITH COMMENTS.

SO WE INCORPORATED THOSE FOR YOU TO CONTEMPLATE.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE GUIDANCE ON.

WE HAD, I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS OR INPUTS THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER CUTTING OFF TELECONFERENCE PARTICIPATION FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

AND I'LL COME BACK TO THESE QUESTIONS IN THE END.

THIS IS JUST A FRONT LOAD THEM. SO YOU'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THEM.

SECTION THREE IS THE RULES, GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES FOR CONDUCT OF THE MEETING, THIS IS MOSTLY NEW.

IT'S TAILORED VERSION OF THE ROB ROSENBERG RULES OF CONDUCT IN FAIRLY EXTENSIVE DETAIL BUILT AROUND A STANDARD AGENDA, INCLUDING HEARINGS. IT DOES ESTABLISH WE HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT WANTING TO BE ABLE TO CURTAIL A MEETING. RIGHT NOW THAT IS IN THE RULES OF CONDUCT, BUT IT'S SET AT TEN.

I'M RECOMMENDING 9:30 FOR THAT TO DECIDE WHETHER WE TRUNCATE THE AGENDA OR CONTINUE THE REMAINING ITEMS. AND REGARDLESS, IF WE VOTE TO TRUNCATE, IF WE HAVEN'T HAD PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE WE CAN CUT OFF A MEETING.

IT EMPHASIZES THE ROLE OF COMMISSIONS AND STAFF LIAISONS AND EMPHASIZES A LIMIT ON THE COMMISSION AUTHORITIES.

IT DESCRIBES THE PROCEDURES FOR AND THE TYPES OF MOTIONS THAT YOU CAN MAKE, AND IT DEFINES RULES FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

I DID GET ONE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT I DID NOT INCORPORATE, AND THAT WAS DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO ADOPT WRITTEN RECORDS OF EX PARTE DISCUSSIONS SIMILAR TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

OR PUBLIC HEARINGS. WELL EX-PARTE IS ONLY FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS LATER. MY RECOMMENDATION IS OBVIOUSLY NOT TO DO THAT, BUT I'M OPEN TO THE COUNCIL'S INPUT.

DOES THAT MEAN YOU DOCUMENT IN WRITING WHAT YOUR EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WERE RATHER THAN ANNOUNCING THEM DURING THE MEETING? YES, YES, SOME KIND OF IT'S ALL BEING RECORDED.

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SO IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. SO AS IT IS NOW. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

IT'S MINIMAL. SO IT COULD SUBJECT US TO SOME LIABILITY IF THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TRANSPARENCY, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF THE TYPES OF DISCLOSURES DIFFERENT AGENCIES DO.

AND THE COASTAL COMMISSION IS PROBABLY ON THE FAR END OF THAT RANGE, WHERE THEY DO WRITE DOWN WHO THEY SPOKE WITH, WHAT THEY SPOKE ABOUT. AND SO THAT'S REALLY JUST DISCLOSING WHAT IT IS YOU'RE CONSIDERING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND IT'S A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE CONVERSATIONS, NOT JUST WE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE THE POSITIONS BEING ADVOCATED BY THE INDIVIDUAL.

MY, AND I WILL TELL YOU THE REASON THAT SINCE WE'RE GOING INTO IT, THE REASON I'M AGAINST THIS IS HAVING WORKED WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND TRYING TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT ISSUES THAT WERE COMING UP RELATED TO REDONDO, A LOT OF THE COASTAL COMMISSION REFUSES TO TALK TO ANYBODY.

WELL, THEY LIMIT THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO WRITE THESE DISCLOSURES.

SO WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN WAS THE COMPANY, THE BIG COMPANIES THAT CAN AFFORD TO HIRE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE GENERALLY FORMER COMMISSIONERS COULD GET IN AND MAKE THEIR POSITIONS KNOWN. BUT YOUR AVERAGE RESIDENT WOULD GET PUSHED OFF BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO DOCUMENT THE CONVERSATION.

THAT WAS MY RATIONALE. BUT I'M, THIS THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR CODE OF CONDUCT.

SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS. WHAT'S YOUR ADVICE JUST FOR THE WRITTEN RECORD PART OF IT OR ALSO THE TIMING OF IT? BECAUSE I KNOW COASTAL COMMISSION REQUIRES RAPID DISCLOSURE OF IT BETWEEN MEETINGS.

I HAVE NO POSITION ON THAT. THAT WOULD BE A DECISION FOR YOU.

WHAT'S CHALLENGING TO ME ABOUT THAT, IF I MAY, MAYOR, IS IMAGINE THAT WE'RE CONFERRING ABOUT THE BUDGET.

COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT AND I, WE COME TO THE BUDGET, THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING. WE HAVE A DRAFT BUDGET THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.

I MEAN, WE END UP READING IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT DO WE JUST WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT WHOLE DRAFT, YOU KNOW, WORK PRODUCT, IF YOU WILL. BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

AND ALTERNATIVELY, HOW DO I SUMMARIZE OUR DISCUSSIONS TO THAT POINT REGARDING THE BUDGET? AND THAT WOULD BE A POLICY CALL FOR YOU, THE LEVEL OF DISCLOSURE THAT YOU WANT TO DISCLOSE RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU'RE DISCLOSING IS, I SPOKE TO THIS PERSON ABOUT THIS SO IT COULD BE UP TO YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND PERHAPS WE COULD LIMIT IT TO APPEALS RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, ANY ANY HEARING, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TYPES OF HEARINGS. SURE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'D BE MORE EXPOSED IS DURING THE APPEAL PROCESS.

YES. OKAY. NEXT. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS WHOLE PAGE TO YOU, BUT SECTION FOUR DESCRIBES THE RULES OF CONDUCT, DECORUM AND COURTESY DEFINES PUBLIC COMMENT, ENFORCEMENT OF THE CONDUCT SCRIPTS FOR MEETING DISRUPTIONS AND RULES OF DECORUM AND COURTESY. AND I COVERED ALL THESE TOPICS THAT, I'M SORRY THEN, AND THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, I THINK I COVERED THIS LATER, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY ROLLED THOSE OUT.

WE PUT THEM, WE PUT THE GENERAL DESCRIPTION OUT IN FRONT BEFORE THE MEETING.

AND THEN I DO HAVE A SCRIPT HERE THAT WE DEVELOPED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND, AND POLICE CHIEF'S INPUT SO THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED BUT OBVIOUSLY WE NEED WE SHOULD PROBABLY DOCUMENT THAT IN POLICY.

SECTION FIVE IS THE COURTESY, DECORUM AND PERSONNEL CONDUCT OF COUNCILS AND COMMISSIONERS.

AND THIS IS THE ONE I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL THESE. THESE ARE THE TOPICS I ADDRESSED BASED ON OTHER DOCUMENTS HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IN OPEN SESSION ON CONCERNS THEY HAD WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEN PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS WITH INDIVIDUALS OF THE PUBLIC.

SO THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN THEIR NEXT SLIDE.

THE STANDARD AGENDA, I MADE SOME LIMITED SUGGESTED CHANGES.

AGAIN, ADDED THE RULES FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF VIOLATIONS, CLEANED UP ITEMS SUCH AS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S IN THERE, BUT EVERY MEETING WE HAVE CLOSED SESSION SAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BEFORE WE ADJOURN TO THE CLOSED SESSION, AND WE NEVER DO THAT. I ALSO, BASED ON INPUTS FROM WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL, MOVED TO EARLIER START TIMES. THESE MAY BE TOO EARLY.

BUT I RECOMMENDED 3:30 P.M. FOR THE CLOSED SESSION AND 5:30 FOR THE OPEN SESSION.

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ALTHOUGH THAT HASN'T BEEN SO MUCH A PROBLEM WITH THE CURRENT COUNCIL.

SO I'M OPEN TO INPUTS ON THAT START TIME. I DO THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE EXTEND THE TIME FOR CLOSED SESSION PRIOR TO OPEN SESSION, BECAUSE WE ARE FREQUENTLY RUNNING UP AGAINST THAT DEADLINE.

AND I THINK FORCING SOME DECISIONS QUICKLY THAT WE SHOULD DELIBERATE A LITTLE MORE IN THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AFTER THE OPEN SESSION IS OPEN. IT EXPANDS THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL REFERRALS TO INCLUDE REFERRALS TO COMMISSIONS AND SUBCOMMITTEES.

THIS BETTER REFLECTS BEST PRACTICE RIGHT NOW.

IT JUST SAYS REFERRALS TO STAFF. AND THEN THE QUESTION AS I POSED, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT? DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE START TIMES, AND IF SO, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? NEXT SLIDE. THE SCRIPTS FOR DISRUPTIVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THIS IS COMPLETELY NEW FROM WHAT WAS IMPLEMENTED.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING TO THIS AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THEM AGAIN.

WE USED THE CITY OF GARDENA SCRIPTS AS A POINT OF DEPARTURE, BUT IT IS ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE CITY OF GARDENA, AND I DID SIT DOWN WITH BOTH THE POLICE CHIEF AND WITH CITY ATTORNEY TO DEVELOP THESE.

IT PROVIDES AN INDIVIDUAL SCRIPTS FOR PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE UP THE PODIUM FOR DISRUPTIVE INDIVIDUALS, FOR DISRUPTIVE GROUPS, AND FOR DISRUPTIVE REMOTE PARTICIPANTS.

AND GENERALLY PROVIDES SEVERAL WARNINGS FOR DISRUPTIVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CULMINATING IN ASKING THEM TO LEAVE IF THEY REFUSE TO LEAVE AFTER THE WARNINGS AND THE REQUESTS TO LEAVE, THEN WE WOULD CLEAR THE CIVIC CENTER OF ALL PERSONNEL AND THEN BRING BACK EVERYONE EXCEPT THE DISRUPTIVE MEMBER. AND AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD PREVENT THAT DISRUPTIVE MEMBER FROM REENTERING.

SO THAT'S THE GENERAL FORM OF ALL THESE EXCEPT THE ONLINE PERSON YOU JUST CUT OFF.

OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. I KEEP GOING TO CLICK THE DOWN ARROW.

I'M NOT DRIVING. LET'S SEE. THE MUNICIPAL CODE TITLE TWO, NOW I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE CHANGES.

SO THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT REWRITES OF MUNICIPAL CODE TITLE TWO, CHAPTER NINE, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THE FIRST ONE, ARTICLE ONE, IS UNIFORM REGULATION, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO APPLY TO ALL COMMISSIONS.

SO IT MOVED, THEY WERE THESE SAME CODES WERE REPEATED IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND SOMETIMES CONFLICTING WAYS IN SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONS, SO THIS PULLS THEM ALL UP TO THIS ONE UNIFORM CODE AND REMOVES THEM, AS YOU'LL SEE LATER FROM THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSION ORDINANCES IT ADDRESSED. WE'VE HAD ONE ANOMALY WHERE RELATED TO LEAP YEARS, A COMMISSIONER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE A, HE WAS SERVING IN A APPOINTED CAPACITY. AND IF WE COUNTED THE LEAP YEAR, HE WAS RIGHT AT THAT BORDER OF NOT BEING, NOT COMPLYING WITH THE A TWO YEAR REQUIREMENT OR LIMIT.

AND SO THIS ALLOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAPPEN, IF YOUR APPOINTMENT TERM HAPPENS IN A LEAP YEAR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET PENALIZED BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXTRA DAY IN FEBRUARY.

IT ELIMINATES THE AUTHORITY TO DEVELOP FOR THE COMMISSIONS TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN RULES AND REGULATIONS, TO SUBPOENA OR COMPEL ATTENDANCE AND TO ADMINISTER AN OATH OF OFFICE.

ALL OF THESE WERE ALLOWED AND AS WE AS I FOUND VERY LATE, SOME OF THESE COMMISSIONS DID HAVE BYLAWS WHICH I WAS NEVER AWARE OF.

IN FACT, HARBOR COMMISSION HAD THEM FROM 1993, AND I GUARANTEE NOBODY ON THE HARBOR COMMISSION EVEN KNEW THEY EXISTED.

THEY ARE DUPLICATIVE OF A LOT OF THAT'S ALREADY IN HERE, AND SOME OF THEM ARE WAY OUT OF DATE.

FOR EXAMPLE, TIME. HOW MUCH TIME SHOULD YOU ALLOCATE FOR PEOPLE TO TALK IN NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? I'VE RECOMMENDED RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE SAY AFTER TWO UNEXCUSED ABSENCES, YOU'RE OUT.

WHICH A LOT OF GOOD COMMISSIONERS, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.

TWO BACK TO BACK AGENDA, MISSING TWO MEETINGS, CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS, YOU'RE OUT, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF OUR GOOD COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE VALID REASONS FOR MISSING TWO IN A ROW.

SO I'M RECOMMENDING LIMITING ABSENCES TO FOUR OVER A ROLLING 12 MONTH PERIOD.

YOU COULD USE THREE. OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT METRIC THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO USE? OR UNEXCUSED ABSENCES, EXCUSED ABSENCES? UNEXCUSED OR TO ME, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

OKAY. THAT I DON'T DIFFERENTIATE. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, YOU CAN, BUT THAT GETS PRETTY STICKY.

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IT COUNTS AS AN ABSENCE AGAINST THE PERSON WHO DROVE THE LACK, OR THE PEOPLE WHO DROVE THE LACK OF QUORUM.

SO THAT IS THE ONE NUANCED DETAIL. IT DOCUMENTS THE AUTHORITY TO FORM SUBCOMMITTEES, SOME COMMISSIONS HAD IT WRITTEN IN THEIR BYLAWS, I FOUND OUT, SOME DIDN'T. BUT I THINK SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES, AND WE SHOULD DOCUMENT THAT.

IT DEFINES THE GENERAL POWERS AND DUTIES AS ADVISORS TO THE COUNCIL WHICH WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.

IT CLEARLY DEFINES AND LIMITS THE SCOPE, POWERS AND DUTIES OF COMMISSIONS AND COMMISSIONERS.

REMOVING THE RIGHT, I ALREADY SAID, TO SUBPOENA PEOPLE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S EVER USED.

AND IT UPDATES TO REFLECT RECENT PRACTICE IN THE COMMISSIONS.

AND THERE'S SOME OTHER MINOR WORDING, CLEANUP ITEMS THAT CAME RECOMMENDED OUT OF STAFF.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT'S THE OVERRIDING ORDINANCE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO APPLY ACROSS ALL OF THEM.

NOW I'M GOING. NOW WE'RE WORKING DOWN THE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES FOR THE COMMISSION'S ARTICLE FOUR IS PUBLIC WORKS, TRAFFIC SAFETY AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION.

IT RECOMMENDS RENAMING THE COMMISSION BECAUSE I'VE, I'M RECOMMENDING ADDING SOME SCOPE SINCE WE HAVE DISSOLVED THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

IT REMOVED THE SECTIONS THAT WERE DUPLICATIVE TO ARTICLE ONE, AND IT TIGHTENED UP THE EXISTING LANGUAGE ON POWERS AND DUTIES.

I DID ADD AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED STATISTICS AND TRENDS, AS WELL AS ANY PUBLIC SAFETY ITEMS REFERRED TO THE COMMISSION BY THE CITY COUNCIL. NEXT SLIDE, JUMPING TO THE YOUTH COMMISSION.

WE ALREADY APPROVED THAT. SO I JUST READ THAT OUT AND WE KNOW WHAT WE APPROVED OR HOPEFULLY WE REMEMBER ARTICLE SEVEN, THE HARBOR COMMISSION. THIS WAS A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE REWRITE.

IT REMOVED SECTIONS THAT WERE DUPLICATIVE TO ARTICLE ONE.

IT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THE APPOINTMENT REQUIREMENTS OR QUALIFICATIONS, AND THE RATIONALE WAS THE FORMER CALLS WERE WRITTEN FOR A MORE INDEPENDENT HARBOR COMMISSION THAT USED TO BE HERE DECADES AGO AND HAD NEVER IT HAD NEVER BEEN UPDATED.

AND THE FACT THAT THOSE APPOINTMENTS HAVE BEEN TROUBLESOME TO MAKE DUE TO THE SPECIALTY, THE SPECIFICITY AND THE SPECIALTIES THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS AND ADDED DETAILS TO THE POWERS AND DUTIES TO BETTER REFLECT CURRENT PRACTICE.

IT CLEANED UP WORDING RELATED TO ADVISING THE COUNCIL ON ALL NEW LEASES AND SUBLEASES RIGHT NOW.

IT SAYS THAT THEY SHALL BE INCLUDED ON ANY LEASES, YOU KNOW, TO REVIEW ANY LEASES TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL.

AND WE'VE NOT, I WAS ON IT FOR EIGHT YEARS, WE NEVER DID THAT.

AND I USED TO ATTEND HARBOR COMMISSION MEETINGS, I NEVER SAW, IT'S ALWAYS AFTER THE FACT AND IN GENERALITY THAT IT WAS PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. SO WE WEREN'T FOLLOWING WHAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE AND THEN IT DOCUMENTS WHAT WE'VE PRACTICED, WHICH IS THE HARBOR HAVING EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL SAY AND, NOT THE ZONING, PLANNING COMMISSION'S FINAL SAY WHEN WE REZONE THE HARBOR AREA, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS INCLUDED THE HARBOR COMMISSION IN THOSE DELIBERATIONS.

SO THEY HAD INPUT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FINAL DELIBERATION.

THIS JUST DOCUMENTS THAT PRACTICE, MIKE, YOU LOOK SKEPTICAL ON.

I WAS JUST WAITING TO SEE WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL.

ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT? WELL, WE HAVE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS REFERRED ITEMS THAT INVOLVE THE HARBOR THAT THAT FALL UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S JURISDICTION AND SOUGHT ADVICE.

THE COUNCIL HAS HISTORICALLY SOUGHT COUNSEL FROM MULTIPLE COMMISSIONS ON CERTAIN PROJECTS AND THE LIKE SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR THE, FOR YOU ALL TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SURE NECESSARILY WE HAVE TO DOCUMENT YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE REFERRALS.

THIS I THINK IS GOING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT SPECIFIC SECTION. AND THAT FOLLOWS LIKE WHEN WE DID MEASURE G, I KNOW I SPOKE AT THE HARBOR COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO AND THEN MEASURE C AND CONTEMPLATING CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE REACTIONS TO THAT.

I ATTENDED BOTH. SO YEAH. SO THIS WILL BE I THINK THIS IS A MORE PRESCRIPTIVE CHANGE.

I'M GUESSING SO, YEAH. WELL, SURE. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

I WOULD I MEAN PERSONALLY I WOULD WANT THE HARBOR COMMISSION TO WEIGH IN ON ZONING CHANGES TO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BEST UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPERATION OF THE HARBOR.

TYPICALLY THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE CITY COUNCIL MAKING REFERRALS UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL'S JURISDICTION TO DO THAT.

EITHER THAT OR BY WAY OF STAFF WHO HAVE SOUGHT THAT ADVICE PREEMPTIVELY.

AND WE HAVE DONE THAT MANY TIMES. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND NOT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO ZONING,

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I THINK IT'S MORE PRESCRIPTIVE TO THAT REQUIREMENT. WITH RESPECT TO ZONING CHANGES.

RIGHT, RIGHT. WHICH DON'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN. RIGHT.

THAT'S MY POINT. AND EVERY TIME I'VE EXPERIENCED THEM, RIGHT, I'VE HAD TO GO TO BOTH.

RIGHT. AND THAT I CAN'T I CAN'T RECALL A TIME WHERE A CHANGE TO THE ZONING IN THE, IN THE HARBOR AREA DIDN'T ULTIMATELY GO BEFORE BOTH COMMISSIONS. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE.

LET'S SEE, THE NEXT ONE WAS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

THAT SHIP'S ALREADY SAILED. THE NEXT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THIS WAS A SUBSTANTIAL REWRITE, BUT IT'S NOT A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES.

WHAT IT DID WAS BASICALLY JUST REFER TO STATE STATE LAW AND OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES ON THEIR DUTIES.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY GO THROUGH THIS, THE CITY ORDINANCES, TO FIND OUT WHAT APPLIED TO THEM.

AND AS I FOUND WHEN I RESEARCHED, THAT IT WAS MORE EXTENSIVE THAN I KNEW.

AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY STUFF. YOU KNOW, SINCE 2000.

AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT. SO WHAT IT DOES IS JUST CAPTURE THOSE ORDINANCES AND SPELL OUT LIKE A ROUGH DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS AND REFERS THEM TO THE DETAILED ORDINANCE.

SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO DO ALL THAT HOMEWORK.

AND IT EXPANDED THIS SECTION ON POWERS AND DUTIES, SO.

WELL, LIKE I JUST SAID. SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SEARCH THE ENTIRE MUNI CODE.

NEXT, BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMISSION. I DIDN'T MAKE TOO MANY CHANGES, JUST SOME CHANGES FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND THE OVERARCHING SECTION. CULTURAL ARTS ELIMINATED.

THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL TERM IN THERE THAT THAT WAS MEANT TO STAGGER THE FIRST PARTICIPANTS IN THAT.

WELL, THAT SHIP HAS SAILED, SO WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE.

IT ADDED SOME LEEWAY ON THE COMMISSION QUALIFICATIONS.

I FELT THEY WERE TOO TIGHT, BUT YOU GUYS CAN REVIEW THAT AND SEE IF YOU LIKE THE WAY I'VE EXPANDED IT.

AND ELIMINATED, RIGHT NOW IT'S WRITTEN TO RELIEVE THEM FROM MONTHLY MEETINGS, WELL, NOW WE THE COUNCIL HAS SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED A METHOD AT EVERY MEETING TO ADDRESS WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEXT MEETING AND FOR THE COMMISSION TO VOTE ON IT.

AND SO I ELIMINATED THAT RELIEF. AND THEY STILL HAVE THE MEANS TO ELIMINATE MEETINGS WHEN THEY AREN'T, WHEN THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE THEM. AND THEN THEY TALKED ABOUT HAVING SPECIAL MEETINGS AND THEY WENT INTO A FAIR AMOUNT OF DETAIL, BUT WHAT THE REWRITE OF ARTICLE ONE ALREADY PERMITS THEM TO CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS, I REMOVED THAT.

NEXT SLIDE. PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION. ODDLY ENOUGH, THERE WERE SOME SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THAT.

THINGS LIKE WE SAID THAT THEY WILL GO GET CONTRACTS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO.

SO I CHANGED THE WORDING ON THAT. YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT.

IT'S MEANT TO COVER THE INTENT OF THE, COVERING THE TOPIC WITHOUT DIRECTING THEM TO GET CONTRACTS AND APPROVE CONTRACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IT INCORPORATES SOME OTHER SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF, AND IT REFLECTS THE ACTUAL DUTIES OF THE COMMISSION.

THERE WERE, AS I WENT THROUGH THIS, I DISCOVERED SOME OTHER MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES THAT AREN'T PART OF THE ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE COMMISSIONS THAT CALL OUT COMMISSIONS BY NAME THAT WERE OUTDATED. SO MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON CHANGING THOSE TO MATCH OUR CURRENT NAME NAMING CONVENTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE YOU KNOW, MY OVERVIEW OF THE WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENTS AND WHY. AGAIN, IN SUMMARY, THIS PROJECT WAS AIMED AT MEETING SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES SPECIFIED BY THE COUNCIL OVER MANY MEETINGS IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE. THE PROJECT PRODUCTS INVOLVED A LOT OF EXISTING DIFFERENT SOURCES AS I'VE DETAILED THROUGH THE DISCUSSION. THE DRAFT PRODUCT ELIMINATE KNOWN INCONSISTENCIES AND DUPLICATIONS AND MY INTENT WAS THAT THE PRODUCT ADDRESSES THE COUNCIL'S OBJECTIVE, ALL THE COUNCIL'S OBJECTIVES.

SO WITH THE NEXT SLIDE. SO RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO FINALIZE THIS TONIGHT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

I WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT ON THE FOUR QUESTIONS.

DOES THE COUNCIL STILL WANT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ELECTRONICALLY? DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO ADOPT WRITTEN RECORDS OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATION?

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AND I HAVE A SLIDE AT THE END THAT A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO NEXT SLIDE. SO MY RECOMMENDED PATH FORWARD IS THAT YOU EACH TAKE YOUR TIME TO REVIEW THIS OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, AND PROVIDE ME SOME WRITTEN RECOMMENDATIONS. I WILL TRACK THOSE COMMENTS IN A COMMENT VERIFICATION MATRIX AND I'VE INCLUDED JUST A SAMPLE.

I USE THESE IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN INDUSTRY FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL WAY TO INTEGRATE A BUNCH OF INPUTS ON A COMPLEX DOCUMENT AND TO SHOW HOW THEY WERE RESOLVED, HOW THOSE COMMENTS WERE RESOLVED WITHIN THE THE FINAL DOCUMENT.

I WOULD THEN INTEGRATE THOSE INPUTS AND DRAFT RECOMMENDED CHANGES, RUN IT THROUGH ANOTHER REVIEW OF STAFF, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY CLERK. AND THEN PRODUCE A NEW DRAFT FOR THE COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THAT COMMENT VERIFICATION MATRIX TO SHOW HOW EACH OF YOUR COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED AND ADJUDICATED.

IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU MY RATIONALE FOR THIS IS YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN ON THE COUNCIL HERE WHO CAN RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING.

THE COROLLARY TO THAT IS A SUBCOMMITTEE COULD ONLY TAKE INPUTS AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

SO YOU CAN'T GET THINGS GOING IN BETWEEN. SUBCOMMITTEE CAN'T MEET WITH EACH COUNCILMEMBER TO CLARIFY THE CONCERN OR INTENT.

YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT FOR A PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT.

AND FINALLY, A SUBCOMMITTEE PUTS THREE OF THE COUNCIL AT A DISADVANTAGE WITH REVIEWS.

YOU'D HAVE THREE, TWO, WHO REALLY KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE AND THREE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, YOUR REVIEW.

NOW, YOU'D HAVE TO REREVIEW THE WHOLE THING AS A NEW DOCUMENT AFTERWARDS, SINCE YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE CHANGES.

SO BY GOING WITH A SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU'RE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WHEN IT COMES OUT TO REVIEW, NOT GOING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE. WE'RE ON A LEVEL, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY BRIEFING.

THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM LISTED ON THE AGENDA TO CONSIDER AN AD HOC OR I DON'T KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, AN AD HOC PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT, BUT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT YOU WERE THE ONE WHO WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT OR.

IT WAS A, THERE WAS A REFERRAL COUNCIL ULTIMATELY MADE AND THAT WAS INITIATED DURING OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ELIMINATION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT SPENT SOME TIME PREPARING CONCEPTS EFFECTIVELY A STRUCTURE FOR THAT POTENTIAL COMMISSION.

THAT DOCUMENT, I BELIEVE, HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT DIRECTION LIKE WE ARE ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ADVANCE THAT TO AN ORDINANCE STAGE, OR DO WE WANT TO SIMPLY RELY ON WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, A REALLOCATION OF THOSE DUTIES TO OUR EXISTING COMMISSION THERE, MOST NOTABLY THE PUBLIC WORKS AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION. SO WE HAVE EITHER OPTION AS WE GO FORWARD, THAT THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE ATTACHED. AND WE WOULD LIKE THAT DIRECTION TONIGHT AS WELL.

SO BEFORE I GO TO HANDS COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT, SINCE YOU ADVOCATED THAT, DO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT? YEAH, ACTUALLY I HAVE MY HAND UP AS WELL. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR DOING THAT.

I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT WAS SAID AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VERY GOOD WORK IN HERE FROM THE MAYOR, AND WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE. THE MAYOR VOLUNTEERED AND CERTAINLY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT.

AND I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID. YOU KNOW, BE QUICK, BUT DON'T HURRY.

LET'S NOT HURRY. I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG DEAL. AND, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS FOR BETTER OR WORSE, OVER THE WEEKEND. THERE'S A LOT IN HERE, YOU KNOW, SOME WE DIDN'T GET INTO.

KIND OF CONTROVERSIAL, SOME NOT. AND IT GOT ME THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT WAY TO REVIEW THIS? SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THE MAYOR WAS GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME. CITY MANAGER AND I SPOKE AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN DECIDING WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

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I MEAN, THESE ARE OUR RULES. WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, THE FIVE OF US NOW.

BUT IT'S AN OFFICE WILL BE SOMEBODY ELSE IN A FEW YEARS.

BUT THAT'S OUR TASK. THAT'S OUR DUTY FOR US. IS A COUNCIL TO DO THIS.

THE SAME WITH THE COMMISSIONS, THESE ORDINANCES YOU KNOW, BLESS THE MAYOR FOR WHAT HE'S DONE.

HE'S PUT TIME IN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STUFF IN HERE.

NOT CONTROVERSIAL. SOME UNPRECEDENTED. AND YOU KNOW.

SO HOW DO WE DO THIS? IF YOU'RE UNLIKE ME, HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A GREAT WEEKEND AND DIDN'T REVIEW ALL THIS STUFF [LAUGHS].

AND SO, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI ON THIS, IT DOES SEEM CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL THAT A SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO GO. NOT SORT OF SUBCONTRACTING OUT OUR DUTIES.

LET'S HAVE THE MAYOR INVOLVED IN THAT. I KNOW FROM THE LAST SLIDE THERE'S SOME RELUCTANCE WHICH I APPRECIATE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE'VE HAD THIS GREAT INTRODUCTION TONIGHT.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE A WEEK OR A COUPLE WEEKS FOR EVERYBODY TO READ THROUGH.

LET'S COME BACK AND HAVE A LIST OF THINGS. HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE IN HERE.

HERE'S WHAT I WOULDN'T, MAYOR KICKED OFF ALREADY WITH A FEW THINGS.

I HAVE SOME MORE, COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI HAS SOME MORE THAT WE COULD AT LEAST DISCUSS TONIGHT.

ALLOW THAT SUBCOMMITTEE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THIS TASK, TOGETHER WITH THE MAYOR AND STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TO THEN TAKE THAT DRAFT, THIS ABOVEBOARD COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT.

BRING THAT BACK. HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEE WHERE WE ARE, MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND GO FROM THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I TRUST AND RESPECT THE MAYOR AND I CONTINUE TO, I'M A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, HEY, CONTINUE TO YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, WE'VE GOT TO STEP UP AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF AT A HIGH LEVEL. HOW, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO PROPOSE THAT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY INITIAL THINKING. WHERE I AM HERE.

I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI MAY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.

WITH RESPECT TO THE NEW COMMISSION, WOULD YOU RECALL THAT WE HAD VOTED TO ELIMINATE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION? I ULTIMATELY AGREED WITH THAT. AS PART OF THAT, I DID PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A PLAN B, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE OF SUCH IMPORTANCE AND IMPACT TO QUALITY OF LIFE, HOMELESS SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACTS, WHERE WE COULD HAVE A COMMISSION WHO CAN REVIEW THAT AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, RATHER THAN STANDING UP A WHOLE NEW COMMISSION AFTER SPEAKING WITH CITY MANAGER AND OTHERS, I THINK IT'S BEST SUBJECT TO EVERYBODY'S INPUT TO ROLL THOSE DUTIES INTO AN EXISTING COMMISSION, THE PUBLIC WORKS AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT COULD BE A GOOD FIT AND STILL GET THE RESULT THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ON THAT.

AND I SEE THE MAYOR SHAKING HIS HEAD. YES. SO I HAVE ONE VOTE [LAUGHS]. I.

YOU DON'T HAVE A VOTE. ONE VOTE. TOUCHE. YOU DON'T HAVE A VETO.

AND SO WE HAVE THAT ITEM AND YOU KNOW THAT, I THINK THAT'S IT AT A HIGH LEVEL AT THIS POINT.

AND YOU KNOW, SAME WITH THE COMMISSIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THE COMMISSIONS.

I WOULD SAY HALF OF THE THINGS, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, ARE, YOU KNOW, RECODIFICATION REORDERING.

THERE'S SOME CHANGING OF NAMES, BUT THEN THERE'S SOME RATHER, YOU KNOW, HEAVY STUFF IN THERE, TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT. NOT TONIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE START RESTRICTING WHO'S ELIGIBLE TO BE ON THE HARBOR COMMISSION, OR SHOULD WE OPEN IT UP AND OR AT LEAST KEEP IT WHERE IT IS? WHO SHOULD HAVE A GUARANTEED ASSIGNED SEAT ON THE HARBOR COMMISSION.

SHOULD IT BE A PADDLE, HAND PADDLER? YOU KNOW, SHOULD THAT BE A SPECIFIED? ONE OF THE FEW SEVEN OR YOU KNOW. CAN WE OPEN IT UP A LITTLE? CAN A HAND PADDLER BE AS PART OF THE ASSIGNED BOATER OR SAIL BOATER OR GUARANTEED SPOT.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THESE, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, TOGETHER WITH THE MAYOR CAN COME BACK AT APPROPRIATE TIME AND JUST LIST OUT, KEEP IT EASY AND ALSO HAVE COUNCIL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THEIR OWN THINGS.

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AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S AN INTRODUCTION.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? AND IT GOES BACK TO, HEY, WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN OUR PRACTICE, WHAT WORKS AND WHAT IS THE CHARTER ALLOW? AND ONE OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, IS DOES THE, YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THE CITY, WHICH IS IMBUED WITH ALL POWERS OF THE CITY, SUBJECT TO THE CHARTERS, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT MAKES MOTIONS.

SECONDS, YES, SECONDS. MOTIONS. JUST THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

THESE WEREN'T MY RULES. THE CITY COUNCIL'S SOLE EMPLOYEES, THE CITY MANAGER WHO REPORTS BACK DIRECTLY, RESPONSIBLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THERE'S THIS COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

SO A FEW THINGS IN HERE WE SHOULD DISCUSS ARE THAT WERE INCLUDED BY THE MAYOR.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH GOOD INTENT. DOES THE MAYOR GET TO MAKE MOTIONS? THAT'S PART OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN HERE. I, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING WITH GIVING THAT SOME THOUGHT, I WOULD SAY NO, BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS NOT A LEGISLATOR.

THE MAYOR HAS OTHER DEFINED POWERS. VETO, VETO.

HEY, IF THERE'S A TIEBREAKER, THE CHARTER SAYS, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND GIVE A TIEBREAKING VOTE.

BUT IT CROSSES THE LINE, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION FOR A MAYOR.

AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT JIM LIGHT. AND HE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS ABOUT THIS IS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS ABOUT THE OFFICE OF MAYOR. SO MAYOR SHOULDN'T BE MAKING MOTIONS, SECONDING MOTIONS.

MAYOR CAN'T, BY CHARTER DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO DO SOMETHING ON A REFERRAL.

BUT WHAT HAS WORKED, IN MY OPINION, IS WHAT I THINK JIM LIGHT'S EXEMPLIFIED IS CAN I GET A MOTION? CAN I GET A MOTION? CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE MAKE A REFERRAL TO STAFF? RIGHT. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT THAT WAY. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL THAT'S IN THERE THAT PROBABLY SHOULD COME BACK IF COUNCIL OUT, IF COUNCIL AGREES. AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS SO THAT THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE PROPOSAL I MAKE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR MAYOR GIVE ME SOME TIME TO SPEAK ON THAT.

SO YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR DETAILS THAT YOU'VE THAT YOU DON'T, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED THAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT WHAT'S IN THERE? I LIKE A LOT. I'M NOT, I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

BUT THE KEY POINT I'M GETTING IS YOU'RE YOU'RE BACKING OFF THE IDEA OF HAVING A AD HOC PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

YOU'RE NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT BACK. AND THANKS FOR SPEAKING TO ME ABOUT THAT BEFORE THE MEETING. I THINK WE COULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT IS INTENDED BY THE WHAT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN A STANDALONE, AD HOC FIRE, POLICE, HOMELESS SERVICES COMMISSION BY JUST FOLDING THOSE DUTIES INTO AN EXISTING COMMISSION. IT WOULD STILL BE ON AN AS REFERRAL BASIS FROM COUNCIL.

HEY, WE GOT WE GOT A BIG WE GOT A CONTRACT COMING IN.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW WHEN WE HAVE A CONTRACT COMING IN, BUT WHAT YOU WANT IS PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACTS TO GO TO THIS COMMISSION.

YES. YES, EXACTLY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A VERY PROACTIVE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY.

AND THEY COULD SAY, HEY, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THIS ON CONSENT COUNT, WE RECOMMEND COUNCIL CONSIDER SENDING THIS TO THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT OR NOT, BUT AT LEAST HAVE THE OPTION THERE.

SO I'M NOT HARD OVER ON FOLDING THOSE DUTIES IN.

IT'S A RECOMMENDATION I MAKE IS SORT OF A REPLACEMENT OR SUBSTITUTE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

AND THAT THAT'S WHERE I PUT IT IN THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.

SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE PUT IN PUBLIC WORKS AND SUSTAINABILITY, AND YOU WANT THEM TO LOOK AT EVERY POLICE PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACT.

NOT EVERY PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACT. SO HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE IT WOULD BE ONE AS DEFINED IN HERE.

AND I IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT I COULD PULL IT UP. BUT TO PARAPHRASE IT WOULD BE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON MATTERS OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, DRONES.

I MEAN, WE GET A LOT OF CONTRACTS THAT COME TO US.

IT'S A MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH.

THE DELAY THAT THAT CAUSES. ARE WE BACKING UP THE SYSTEM A LITTLE BIT? THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I PUT IT IN THERE SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS WORKS, MAYBE IT DOESN'T. WHEN I THINK ONE, I THINK IMPORTANT DISTINCTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT'S THAT'S JUXTAPOSED AGAINST

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OR THE COUNCIL AS A GROUP HAS REFERRED THE MATTER BECAUSE IT'S SUBSTANTIVE IN NATURE AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEIR INPUT.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION HERE IS IT'S NOT ALL CONTRACTS, IT'S THOSE OF IMPORT AS DETERMINED BY ALL OF US INVOLVED.

I THINK YOU NAILED IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

YOU'RE WELCOME. ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? I AM, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. IS THAT IT? THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CASTLE. IF WE COULD PULL UP HIS PRESENTATION AND THE NEXT TO LAST PAGE WITH THE FOUR QUESTIONS ON IT I THINK IT WAS. I THINK IT WAS THE.

OH. RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, ONE THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE QUESTION OF DOES THE COUNCIL STILL WANT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ELECTRONICALLY? PERSONALLY, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE ZOOM CALLS, THE EMAILS THAT WE GET.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF THE FLOW OF OUR OVERALL MEETING, IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT OR IMPEDE THE REGULAR FLOW OF OUR MEETING.

AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PARTICULAR ISSUES WITH IT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST MOVING ALONG WITH THE TIMES, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND OPENING UP OUR MEETINGS TO THE BROADER PUBLIC IN REDONDO BEACH IS SOMETHING THAT'S PUBLIC.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE ISSUES, THIS ACTUALLY CAME UP IN ONE OF OUR CONFERENCES DOWN IN SAN DIEGO WITH NOW OUR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF ENHANCED OR CLARIFIED ABILITY TO REMOVE PEOPLE FROM OUR ACTUAL MEETINGS IF THEY'RE DISRUPTIVE.

THERE ARE FIRST AMENDMENT AUDITORS WHO LOVE TO TRY TO GET KICKED OUT OF MEETINGS SO THAT THEY CAN TURN AROUND AND SUE A CITY.

AND WHEN THEY GO TO COURT, THE REASON IS THEY AREN'T ABLE TO EXPRESS THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

WITH THIS, WITH ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION, ZOOM, EMAIL, SOMEONE COULD BE PHYSICALLY REMOVED FROM A MEETING, BUT STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMENT ON THINGS IN THE MEETING.

SO FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT, IN TERMS OF OUR LIABILITY FOR, YOU KNOW, IMPEDING SOMEBODY OR INFRINGING ON SOMEONE'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH, HAVING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ELECTRONICALLY WOULD STILL AFFORD THEM THAT ABILITY EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SORT OF GO WITH THE TIMES.

AND AGAIN, IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE. AND IT'S VERY EASY IF YOU KNOW, SOMEONE GETS OUT OF HAND OR VIOLATES THE RULES TO HANG UP THE CALL.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES JUST LOOKING AT COMMISSIONS AND HOW THEY FUNCTION THAT'S COME UP HAS BEEN THE SUBCOMMITTEES, AND I KNOW WE HAVE THAT IN THERE.

BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMISSIONS THAT HAD SUBCOMMITTEES OF ONE PERSON AND THEN THAT PERSON MAY OR MAY NOT GO BACK TO THEIR FULL COMMISSION TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION TO ACT ON WHATEVER IT IS.

THEIR SUBCOMMITTEE WAS FORMED AROUND BEFORE TALKING TO CITY STAFF AND TRYING TO GIVE INPUT TO CITY STAFF.

SO I THINK ONE IMPORTANT THING IS TO STRESS TO COMMISSIONERS THAT EVEN IF THEY ARE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT THEY ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THEIR COMMISSION SO THAT THE COMMISSION CAN ITSELF SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL VOTE ON WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS, AND THE COMMISSION COMES BACK WITH A CLEAR, DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL OR TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO STAFF TO COME TO COUNCIL.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT. I AGREE AND AND COMING FROM YOU, THAT'S COMING FROM THE FORMER CHAIR OF THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. SO YOU SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? SO CAN I COUNTER THAT? SURE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE HARBOR COMMISSION, WE HAD SEVERAL THINGS WHERE IT WAS LIKE DRAFT.

IT WAS LIKE FAST. IT HAD TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL BEFORE CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING TO ACT ON SOMETHING.

AND SO WE FORMED THE GENERAL POINTS AND THEN APPOINTED A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WRITE AND SUBMIT THE LETTER.

SO AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO COME BACK, BECAUSE IF IT HAD TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, IT WAS TOO LATE. I MEAN, SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, I WOULD SAY, OF THE COMMISSION, THE DECISION, SO ON BUDGET AND FINANCE, WE WERE IN THAT SAME POSITION. I THINK IT WAS WITH THE SALARIES AND THE DEADLINES FOR ELECTIONS COMING UP.

WE HAD TO DRAFT A LETTER. YOU KNOW, WE WORKED OUT A PLAN TO WORK WITH A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS.

EVERYONE AGREED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SUBMIT THE LETTER AND THEN I ACTUALLY CAME AND PRESENTED IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO I THINK IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION, AND THEY AGREED TO MOVE THAT WAY, THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE COMMISSION.

I THINK WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN SOME AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE PROCEDURES UNIFORM ACROSS ALL COMMISSIONS,

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SO SOME COMMISSIONS, THEY'LL SET UP A SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN THAT SUBCOMMITTEE JUST KIND OF GOES OFF AND MAKES ITS OWN DECISIONS, AND THEN DE FACTO SPEAKS FOR THE WHOLE COMMISSION, WHEN IN FACT THE WHOLE COMMISSION HASN'T VOTED OR AGREED TO.

I BELIEVE THE RULES COVER THAT IF YOU, HAVE, YOU READ IT? WELL, I MEAN, THE ONES THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. NO, I MEAN, IN THE. HAVE YOU READ MY DRAFT? YES, YES. SO I TRIED TO COVER THAT. MAYBE I DIDN'T.

I JUST, THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TALKING AND, YOU KNOW, RESEARCHING THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP WHERE YOU KNOW, IN PART IT PUTS A LOT OF BURDEN ON STAFF WHEN THEY'RE GETTING LOTS OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING SHOULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

AND THE COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, NOT EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER.

AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT IN YOUR, IN YOUR REVISION AND SUGGESTION IS THAT THE BASICALLY THAT THE PEOPLE, THE COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DON'T GO OUT AND SORT OF TAKE POWERS THAT THEY AREN'T THEY DON'T MISREPRESENT, MISREPRESENT EXACTLY THEIR POWERS OR WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR GO OUT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY.

BUT JUST IN GENERAL, I THINK IF THE COMMISSIONERS JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING AS ONE VOICE, AS A COMMISSION AND NOT AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND, YEAH, THOSE WERE A COUPLE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TALKING THAT I SAW A LOT OF ISSUES WITH, WITH HOW CURRENTLY THE COMMISSIONS FUNCTION. ANYTHING ON THE OTHER TWO? MAYOR, YOU'RE LEADING THE MEETING SO HOWEVER YOU WANT. SO I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM.

EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. I LIKE THE WAY WE DO IT.

NOW, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, WRITING DOWN A FULL DESCRIPTIVE, YOU KNOW OF EVERY CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAVE.

I THINK THAT'S BURDENSOME. AND I HAVE HEARD THAT THE SORT OF FALLOUT FROM THAT SORT OF PROCEDURE IS THAT IT STOPS COMMISSIONERS FROM HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYONE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REALITY OF THAT SITUATION.

I THINK WE COULD START EARLIER, I THINK 4:00.

I THINK BEFORE 4:00, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET HERE.

FOUR AND 6SEEMS TO BE FINE. AND THEN WHAT WAS THAT? STARTING TIMES 4:00 AND 6, I THINK BEFORE 4:00 IT STARTS TO GET DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET HERE, JUST GIVEN THAT WE HAVE JOBS OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL HOURS AND THEN.

AND THEN YOU KNOW, AT 6:00, I THINK 6 IS BETTER THAN 5:30 AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET HERE AS WELL.

I THINK 6 WOULD WORK BETTER THAN 5. I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.

I JUST WANT TO. I'M GLAD YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE TWO HOUR WINDOW FOR.

YEAH, BECAUSE I DO THINK WE'RE TOO COMPRESSED IN THERE.

RIGHT. AND I THINK, I MEAN, WE DID MOVE THE START TIME TO 4:00 A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN WE HAD A LARGE AGENDA.

RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, THAT SEEMED TO BE OKAY. COULD I ASK YOU ABOUT THAT? SURE. AND MAYBE BY ASKING THE CITY MANAGER IF WE WERE TO KEEP IT AT 4:30, WOULD YOU STILL RETAIN THE ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED A 4:00 MEETING? AND THAT WAY, IF OR VICE VERSA, IF WE MOVE IT TO YOU KNOW, AN EARLIER TIME, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, WE DON'T NEED THE EARLIER TIME THIS WEEK, BE HERE AT 4:30.

OR DOES THAT BECOME TOO CUMBERSOME? NO. I MEAN, WE CAN ADJOURN OUR MEETING TO WHATEVER TIME YOU LIKE.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS MEANT TO SORT OF SET THE PERFUNCTORY STANDARD.

AND THEN WE WOULD PIVOT FROM THERE. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MAKE CLEAR THAT WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY UNDER WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCE AND OUTCOME WE HAVE HERE, BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK EVERY WEEK WE CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO HOURS OF CLOSED SESSION MATERIAL.

I CAN SAY THAT WE WILL HAVE IT ON OCCASION. WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE 2.5 HOURS OF CLOSED SESSION MATERIAL ON OCCASION.

AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD ABOUT PEGGING THAT.

BUT I WOULD LOVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO GO TO 4:00 TO GO TO 4:00 AS NEEDED.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CHADWICK. AND THEN JUST TO GO DOWN TO THE LAST QUESTION, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY GIVE IT UP TO THREE ABSENCES.

SO AFTER THE THIRD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN.

THREE ABSENCES WOULD BE MEANING THAT YOU ATTENDED 75% OF THE MEETINGS FOR THAT YEAR.

AND AS A COMMISSIONER THEY MEET MONTHLY. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE 75% OF THE MEETINGS, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY NOT CONTRIBUTING YOUR EXPERTISE TO THAT COMMISSION.

THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES AND MAY, YOU KNOW, CONFLICTS AND ILLNESSES, BUT IF YOU IF YOU CAN'T MAKE 75%, DO YOU REALLY HAVE TIME TO BE A COMMISSIONER? OH, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? SO FOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS KIND OF RESONATING A LITTLE, WHICH IS,

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THEN IT BEGS THE QUESTION. GOT IT. YET WE STILL NEED AN ACTIVE COMMISSIONER.

YOU'RE NOT BEING PUNISHED FOR NOT BEING HERE.

IT'S JUST. OR FOR YOUR MEDICAL CONDITION OR WHATEVER.

IT'S JUST WE NEED SOMEBODY IN THIS SEAT. IS THAT KIND OF THE THINKING OF REDUCING IT TO THREE? TO THREE? YES. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU HAD A MEDICAL CONDITION AND YOU WERE OUT FOR THREE MONTHS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A YEAR, I MEAN, YOU'VE MISSED A LARGE PORTION OF WHAT THAT COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY DOING.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO, I WRESTLED WITH THREE AS WELL.

I MEAN, 3 OR 4. I CHOSE FOUR, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THREE.

THERE IS THE PROVISO, THOUGH. IF THERE'S AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE, THE COUNCIL WITH THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION CAN RECONSIDER.

RIGHT. AND I THINK THERE'S FLEXIBILITY. I THINK FLEXIBILITY IS KEY JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT PERSON'S GOING THROUGH.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU KNOW, AND IN THE PAST THERE WERE COMMISSIONS WHERE PEOPLE JUST WEREN'T SHOWING UP.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER.

IF YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO SHOW UP OR YOU KNOW OR CAN'T, AND JUST ONE NUANCE JUST TO HIGHLIGHT IT DOESN'T COUNT AS AN ABSENCE.

IF THE WHOLE COMMISSION IS FORCED TO STAND DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A QUORUM, IT ONLY COUNTS AGAINST THOSE WHO DROVE THE LACK OF QUORUM.

RIGHT. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. SO, I MEAN, I WOULD BE FINE WITH FOUR.

I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU'RE ONLY ATTENDING TWO THIRDS OF THE MEETING A YEAR, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE VERY MUCH. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 66 AND 75%.

SO NO HEARTBURN WITH THREE. RIGHT. AND AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

OKAY. BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR YOUR GREAT WORK ON ON THIS.

AND CLEARLY A LOT OF LOT OF THOUGHT, A LOT OF WORK INTO IT.

MY FIRST THOUGHT OF, OF COUNCIL RULES CAME ABOUT PROBABLY YEARS AGO AFTER I FELT LIKE THERE WAS NO THERE WERE NO RULES INSTILLING CIVILITY AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS, ENSURING THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WEREN'T ATTACKING OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND SO I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED SOME RULES.

SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THEM FINALLY COME FORWARD.

NOW THAT THEY'RE HERE, I'D ENCOURAGE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL HAD DIFFERENT TIMES ON THE COUNCIL, BUT, LIKE, WHAT RULES DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE HERE IN THE COUNCIL RULES? SO ONE FOR EXAMPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANYWHERE ELSE IN ANY OF THE RULES.

I HAVEN'T REVIEWED ALL THE MATERIALS, BUT THIS WHOLE IDEA OF WE CAN HAVE A MOTION, WE CAN HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WE CAN HAVE A SUBSTITUTE SUBSTITUTE. BUT THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IN THERE. THAT IS IN YOUR RULE, WHAT YOU DRAFTED? YES. YES. BASED ON PRACTICE. BUT IT WASN'T. BUT IT WASN'T IN THERE.

RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY, COOL. SO STUFF LIKE THAT I THINK IS HELPFUL TO HAVE ON THE SUBJECT OF THE MAYOR MAKING MOTIONS. I THINK WE DO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT SAID, IN TERMS OF THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR.

RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T THINK OF A TIME MAYOR LIGHT WHERE YOU HAVE INVITED A MOTION OR REFERRAL THAT DIDN'T GET MADE BY A COUNCIL MEMBER AND DIDN'T GET PASSED DURING REFERRALS TO STAFF. BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE CASE.

AND THERE COULD BE A MAYOR WHO HAS ONLY GOT ONE ALLY ON THE COUNCIL, FOR EXAMPLE WHO'S NOT ALIGNED WITH THE COUNCIL, AND IT WOULD JUST CONSUME THAT ONE OF THOSE THREE MOTIONS THAT COULD BE MADE IF THE MAYOR IS MAKING A MOTION AND THEN GETTING A SECOND FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER, AND IT IS REALLY THE ROLE OF THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THE MOTIONS AND THE LIKE.

AND I THINK THAT THE SYSTEM THAT WE CURRENTLY OPERATE ON, WHERE YOU INVITE A MOTION TO DO SUCH AND SUCH IS WORKING JUST FINE.

I THINK WE, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT AND I DISCUSSED THE SUBJECT, WE HAD WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS.

AND THIS HAPPENS, AS, YOU KNOW, THIS HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY HERE AND NOW.

BUT IN THE FUTURE THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON A SUBJECT MATTER BEFORE IT'S VOTED ON AND THE LIKE.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WHEN CONVERSATION ABOUT A SUBJECT MATTER DRONES ON AND ON AND ON, I WOULD LIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYBE A COUNCIL MEMBER WITH A SECOND HAS THE ABILITY TO CALL FOR A VOTE AND THEN ACTUALLY FORCE A VOTE ON A MATTER.

ACTUALLY, ACCORDING TO THE RULES THAT'S IN THERE.

DO THAT. IF IT'S GETTING REPETITIVE. RIGHT. THE MAYOR CAN.

ADDING TO IT. RIGHT. AND THEN IF I DON'T ENFORCE THE RULES, IT SAYS YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A MOTION.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SHOULD WE MAKE A MOTION FOR A VOTE? THESE ARE UNDER YOUR RULES OR UNDER THE EXISTING RULES. THERE'S NO.

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OKAY. EXCELLENT. THE THINGS TO MAKE THE MEETING GO FORWARD ARE JUST TO SUMMARIZE.

AGAIN, I FORGET THE GUY'S NAME. ROSENBERG. ROSENBERG.

I KEPT WANTING TO SAY ROBERTSON, ROSENBERG'S RULES.

BECAUSE THERE'S ROBERT'S RULES ALSO, RIGHT? YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW. NOW YOU JUST SCREWED ME UP AGAIN. THINGS THAT KEEP THE MEETING MOVING FORWARD ARE GENERALLY UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE PERS, THE CHAIR.

RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A VOTE.

BUT IF IF THE CHAIR IS NOT, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THOSE THINGS TO EXPEDITE THE MEETING, THE COUNCIL, THE THE BODY CAN ALWAYS VOTE TO MAKE A MOTION AND VOTE TO FORCE THE, THE CHAIR TO TO DO THAT.

OKAY. GOT IT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WANT, I WOULD WANT COUNCIL MEMBERS THE MAYOR COMMISSIONERS ALL TO BE RESPECTFUL AND PROFESSIONAL WITH BOTH CITY STAFF AND THE PUBLIC AND PROHIBITING ANY FORM OF ABUSE, HARASSMENT OR BADGERING, WHICH SOME HAVE SEEN.

COMMISSIONERS HAVE LOVED TO BADGER OR CROSS EXAMINE THEIR CITY STAFF.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT. WHERE ARE YOU ON EX-PARTE? I DON'T SEE DETAILED DISCLOSURES AS WORKABLE.

I MEAN, I COULD IMAGINE IF WE WERE TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS OR ANY OTHER THERE'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT MISS IN OUR DISCLOSURES, AND THEN IT WOULD BE AN INCOMPLETE, I THINK, IDENTIFYING WHO YOU SPOKE WITH.

A LOT OF THE TIME, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL IDENTIFY WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.

BUT INEVITABLY IT'S GOING TO COME OUT, RIGHT? YEAH. THE START TIME, FOUR AND SIX. THE WAY COUNCIL MEMBER CASTLE RECOMMENDED.

ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? I'M FINE WITH 4 AND 5:30, MAYBE.

OR JUST TRY TO START A LITTLE EARLIER. I'VE WANTED TO START COUNCIL MEETINGS EARLIER FOR A LONG TIME, BUT JUST BECAUSE WE HAD HISTORICALLY RUN SO LATE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S HAPPENING.

SO I GUESS I'LL ASK THE CITY MANAGER, DO WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO A TIME OF GOING TO MIDNIGHT ON A REGULAR BASIS, OR ARE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE. THESE NEW COUNCILMAN THAT IS THAT WHAT? NO. I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL MOVES VERY EFFICIENTLY.

I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WITH THIS, THE CURRENT MAKEUP.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE WRITING THESE RULES FOR NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU'RE WE'RE ALSO WRITING THEM FOR YOUR SUCCESSORS.

REMEMBER, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS UPDATED SUBSTANTIVELY WAS IN 1977.

SO I THIS GROUP I DON'T HAVE THAT FEAR. PREVIOUS COUNCILS.

ABSOLUTELY. BUT THAT WOULD FORCE THOUGH, COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI AS IF WE DECIDED WE WANTED TWO HOURS FOR THE CLOSED SESSION, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A 3:30 START AT THAT POINT.

03:30. AND WE'VE AS A RULE, IF THERE'S ONE WE GO ALONG ON, IT TENDS TO BE THE THE CLOSED SESSION.

AND I'VE PUT PRETTY STRONG RULES ABOUT AT 9:30, WE STOPPED TO ASSESS WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT.

SO I THINK WE KIND OF CAPPED THE END GAME. CITY ATTORNEY FORD, DO YOU SEE OUR CLOSED SESSION DOCKET GETTING LARGER, STAYING THE SAME OR UNPREDICTABLE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF LAWSUITS WE FACE? IT'S UNPREDICTABLE. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO I'M FLEXIBLE.

I'LL DEAL. 4:00, 6:00, 330, 5:30 I'M FINE WITH EITHER.

I WILL SAY, GOING BACK TO YOUR RULES, THE PORTIONS THAT I DID GET THROUGH THE INITIAL PORTION ABOUT THE TELECONFERENCING RULES, I WOULD JUST STRIKE THAT WHOLE SECTION OUT BECAUSE I HAVE REVIEWED THE BROWN ACT FOR, FOR THE COG AND OR OTHERWISE. AND THEY JUST CHANGED THE BROWN ACT, ACTUALLY, TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF REMOTE APPEARANCES THAT YOU CAN HAVE FOR JUST CAUSE DEPENDING ON HOW MANY MEETINGS YOUR COUNCIL OR COMMITTEE HAS PER MONTH.

AND THEN OUR RULES WOULD BE OUT OF SYNC WITH WHAT THE STATE LAW RULES ARE.

I FIND THE STATE LAW RULES TO BE ADEQUATE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE DEFINING WHO GETS PRIORITY.

IF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS DECIDE TO WRITE IN AND SAY THEY WANT TO APPEAR TELEPHONICALLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER GOT COME CLOSE TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD EVEN TWO, BUT IF SO, THEN I IMAGINE THE CLERK WOULD EXERCISE HER DISCRETION TO ALLOW THE FIRST TWO OR. YEAH, WE CAN'T HAVE THREE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO.

WE HAVE TO BE IN HERE TO START PER THE CHARTER.

RIGHT. SO BUT TWO IS NOT AN ISSUE. AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, IF WE DISCUSS ALL OUR DISCUSSIONS,

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NOT TO SAY THAT A QUORUM HAVE TO BE HERE AT THE DAIS, BUT SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WERE TO CALL IN FROM HOME IN REDONDO BEACH THEN THAT WOULD COUNT TOWARDS QUORUM. BUT IN ANY EVENT I WOULD JUST STRIKE THAT WHOLE SECTION OUT.

SO THAT'S ALL I IF I COULD PICK UP ON THAT QUICKLY.

MAYOR. YEAH. AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INSTANCES IN THAT IN THE THE PROPOSAL WHERE THERE'S KIND OF A COPY AND PASTE FROM VARIOUS AND WELL-INTENTIONED.

COPY AND PASTE FROM VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE, AND THAT THING CHANGES ALL THE TIME.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME STREAMLINING THAT COULD BE DONE IN THERE.

AND PERHAPS SADLY, WITH THE TELECONFERENCING UNDER THE BROWN ACT, IT'S CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO SUNSET AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.

NO TELECONFERENCING. NOW THAT I'M HOPING WILL CHANGE.

THERE'S STILL TIME. THERE'S LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI THIS POINT, THERE MAY BE NO TELECONFERENCING FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS COME JANUARY 1ST, SO THESE THINGS KEEP CHANGING, AND IT'S BEST TO HAVE PERHAPS THE RULES THAT DON'T PIN US DOWN WITH AN OUTDATED STATUTE. SO YEAH. THAT'S IT. OKAY. LET'S SEE HERE.

OKAY. YOU WANT TO KEEP PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ELECTRONICALLY.

YEAH FOR SURE. IT HASN'T BEEN OVERWHELMING. AND I'LL SAY ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS SAFETY AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION, I WOULD NOT INCLUDE TRAFFIC IN THERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS A FUNCTION OF PUBLIC WORKS.

THAT'S HOW THE STREET'S OPERATING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I JUST. IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. I MEAN, THEY COULD HAVE THE PURVIEW, BUT NOT IN THE TITLE. THE TITLE. ON THE TITLE.

AND THEN I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A, I DON'T IMAGINE THEM UNDER THIS ITERATION.

I DON'T IMAGINE THEM HAVING A PUBLIC SAFETY ITEM ON THEIR AGENDA EVERY MEETING.

RIGHT. NOPE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK YOUR EXPLANATION OR ARTICULATION OF WHEN THEY WOULD RECEIVE AN ITEM IS GREAT.

AND FOR US TO HAVE AN OPTION, IF SOMETHING OF A PUBLIC SAFETY NATURE CAME UP THAT WE THOUGHT COULD BE CONTROVERSIAL OR NEEDED SOME RESIDENT INPUT, THAT WE COULD THEN SEND IT TO A COMMISSION THAT HAS JURISDICTION.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. AND ABSENCES.

ARE YOU AT THREE A YEAR? ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT OR.

I THINK YOUR POINT ABOUT THREE ABSENCES IS GREAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER CASTLE THAT'S 75% PARTICIPATION.

SO I'LL GO FOR THAT 3 OR 4. FLEXIBLE. AND I DO FAVOR, I DO FAVOR, YOU KNOW, A SUBCOMMITTEE, MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT AND I, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON IT TAKING YOUR DRAFT, REDLINING IT, AND THEN COMING BACK WITH THAT MAYBE FILING IT NEXT WEEK IF WE CAN, OR THE WEEK THEREAFTER, AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT IT AND MAKE THEIR RED LINES TO IT.

AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK IN ABOUT A MONTH OR SO WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE TIGHTENED UP.

WOULD YOU RUN IT BY STAFF OR RUN IT BY YOU. RUN IT BY YOU.

RUN IT BY ANYBODY WHO WANTS. STAFF. CITY ATTORNEY. ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT THEY JUST CAN'T COME TO US.

RIGHT? YEAH. JUST THE THREE WE GOT TO KEEP IT FROM AND THEY CAN'T SUBMIT TO YOU.

YEAH. AND. WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE'RE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO GET ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WORK ON IT, GO FOR IT. OKAY. I DID WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, YOU SPOKE TO THE CONVENTION YOU JUST WENT TO DOWN IN SAN DIEGO, THE ONE WE WERE AT PREVIOUSLY, AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT WAS IN THERE WITH ME, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU WERE IN THERE, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL SESSIONS WHERE THEY BROUGHT UP PEOPLE WERE GETTING TELECOM BOMBED, WHERE THESE HATE, HATE PEOPLE FROM FLORIDA OR SOMEWHERE ELSE WERE JUST TAKING UP THE WHOLE NON AGENDA TIME.

AND EVEN IF WE CUT THEM OFF, IT'S STILL GOING TO TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE BACK TO BACK TO BACK.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE HAD SOME, COUNCIL HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST LET'S NOT DO IT AT ALL AFTER THAT CONVENTION.

I'M NOT SAYING COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT RECOMMENDED THAT, BUT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T WRITE IT IN THERE THAT WAY, BUT I BROUGHT IT UP FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO I THINK RIGHT NOW. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE WAS THE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 30 MINUTES OF COMMENTS THAT WE ALLOW.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN THE CHAMBERS WHICH TAKES UP USUALLY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT TIME, WHICH SORT OF LEAVES US WITH USUALLY NO MORE THAN MAX 3 OR 4 COMMENTS VIA ZOOM, I WOULD SAY.

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BUT I THINK FOR US, AGAIN, THEORETICALLY, WE HAVE NO MORE THAN TEN COMMENTS.

USUALLY IF IT'S SOME, YOU KNOW, POPULAR ISSUE, WE WILL HAVE 6 OR 7 AT LEAST COMMENTS HERE IN THE CHAMBERS, WHICH ONLY ALLOWS US TIME FOR 3 OR 4 COMMENTS, MAYBE THROUGH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD LIMIT OUR RISK OF, YOU KNOW, BEING I AGREE, IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GET PARTICIPATION FOR PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THAT. AND THAT'S NOT I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT, BUT I'M JUST BRINGING UP.

I MEAN, NOW THAT YOU SAY WE DO HAVE THE MEANS TO CUT IT OFF, RIGHT? WHICH WE DIDN'T BEFORE, RIGHT. AND I LIKE THAT FACT.

SO WE DO HAVE I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THROUGH ZOOM THAN WE DO OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

SO WE CAN GET RID OF THEM WITHOUT CLEARING THE ROOM.

EXACTLY, EXACTLY. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT I GUESS SORT OF WHAT I FOUND IS THAT WE THE WAY WE FUNCTION TODAY ACTUALLY WORKS PRETTY WELL AND ACTUALLY BETTER THAN I THINK MOST OTHER CITIES.

AFTER TALKING TO COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM OTHER CITIES AROUND THE SOUTH BAY AND AROUND LA.

AND SO I THINK JUST THE WAY WE WORK, NATURALLY IT LENDS ITSELF TO, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

BUT THEN THE POTENTIAL DOWNSIDE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TIGHT RANSOM.

YOU KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE COULD PLAY AROUND WITH THAT. SO.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER WALLER. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ORDER I'M GOING TO GO IN HERE.

STARTING WITH THE THE IDEA OF THE AD HOC PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

I TAKE WHAT COUNCILMAN BEHRENDT HAS TO HEART, AND I'D SAY I GENERALLY AGREED WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT HE TALKED ABOUT THERE.

AS LONG AS OUR REFERRALS TO THE PUBLIC WORKS SAFETY, ETC.

COMMITTEE DOESN'T OVERBURDEN THEM, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, IS THAT.

THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE WHOLE REASON TO HAVE THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE WAS TO LET THE THAT COMMISSION THAT'S BEEN EXISTING JUST DO THEIR JOB.

NOW, IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY'VE GOT THE BANDWIDTH TO DO IT, THEN I'M OKAY NOT CREATING THAT NEW COMMISSION.

BUT IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS FROM THEM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN ASKED IF THEY THINK THAT THAT'S ADDING ANYTHING TO THEM WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

AND WE CANNOT YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T THE LAST DAY FOR US TO DO ANYTHING.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TIME TO HEAR FROM THEM AND GET AND GET SOME INPUT TO SEE WHETHER IT MIGHT EVER NEED TO COME BACK AS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.

CAN I ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK? SURE. SO RIGHT NOW, THE HARBOR COMMISSION GETS PERIODIC REPORTS FROM I THINK IT'S QUARTERLY, WHICH WE'VE NOT REQUIRED IN HERE, BUT FIRE AND POLICE STATISTICS IN THE HARBOR ON CRIME TRENDS AND ENFORCEMENT TRENDS. AND THAT HASN'T OVERBURDENED THAT COMMISSION.

OVERBURDENED THAT COMMISSION. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I PROPOSED.

PLUS ANYTHING THE COUNCIL OR STAFF WOULD SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR THEM.

AND ONE OTHER POINT I THINK THAT'S WORTH NOTING ALONG THIS LINE OF INQUIRY IN THOUGHT IS THE PUBLIC WORKS AND CURRENTLY SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION, PERHAPS SAFETY COMMISSION. A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO PERTAINS TO TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.

THAT'S ALREADY SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATELY ASSIGNED TO THAT COMMISSION AND HAS HAD SOME OVERLAP WITH THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.

SO I DON'T SEE FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE US LOADING THEM UP WITH WORK BEYOND THEIR CAPACITY.

BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. WE NEED TO BE JUDICIOUS IN ANY REFERRALS TO THEM ALONG THE PUBLIC SAFETY LINES.

BUT I THINK THE VISION HERE IS A FAIRLY I DON'T WANT TO SAY SPARTAN, BUT IT'S NOT A HIGH FREQUENCY VOLUME OF OF WORK FOR THEM FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S FINE AS IS, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE AND LET'S INSTEAD OF CREATING SOMETHING BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S NEEDED, LET'S SEE IF IT'S NEEDED BEFORE WE CREATE IT. AS FOR HAVING THE SUBCOMMITTEE LOOK AT THINGS VERSUS HAVING IT ALL GO TO THE MAYOR, THOSE TWO PROPOSALS, IF INDEED THAT SUBCOMMITTEE CAN HAVE A ONE WEEK TURNAROUND, THAT SEEMS FINE. MY ONLY WORRY WAS THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE NOW WE'VE GOT A ONE MONTH DELAY.

AND YES, WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOO QUICK, BUT WE DO, WE STILL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO IF IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND LIKE THAT THEN I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A HUGE DELAY BECAUSE THAT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING TWO MEMBERS LOOK AT IT TOGETHER AND THE OTHER THREE LOOK AT IT SEPARATELY, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID FOR BUDGET.

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HERE'S WHAT WE THINK AND WE'LL STILL HAVE OUR INPUTS.

SO SO MY ONLY CAVEAT IS IF AND I THINK WE SHOULD RUN IT THROUGH LEGAL AND STAFF.

SURE. THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY CONSTRAINED TO GET IT ON A TUESDAY AGENDA, WHICH MEANS IT HAS TO BE IN BY FRIDAY OF THIS WEEK.

WELL, WE'RE DARK ON FRIDAY THIS WEEK. SO I THINK REALISTICALLY, YEAH, I THINK REALISTICALLY WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO ANTICIPATE A SEPTEMBER 16TH DOWNLOAD FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE IF THIS IS THE WAY THE COUNCIL GOES.

OKAY. I MEAN, FRANKLY, I'D RATHER GET ALL OF YOUR INPUTS AND LOOK AT THEM IN PARALLEL AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK WE COULD STILL I MEAN, I THINK EVEN IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WORKS, WE COULD STILL, YOU KNOW, GO A COUPLE OF ROUNDS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU DID THE LION'S SHARE OF THE WORK, SORT OF PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER.

AND THEN ESPECIALLY IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, RED LINE COPIES BACK, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHAT CHANGES YOU'VE MADE FROM THIS DRAFT GOING FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS ON THE COMMENTS, I GUESS.

AS FOR THE MAYOR HAVING THE ABILITY TO MAKE A MOTION I WOULD AGREE THAT IT JUST TO ME, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT. I WAS HARD PRESSED TO FIND OTHER ELECTED MAYORS THAT DON'T HAVE A VOTE THAT CAN MAKE MOTIONS.

IT'S A VERY RARE THING. AND WITH THE FACT THAT IN A GOOD ORGANIZATION LIKE WE HAVE NOW IF THE MAYOR SAYS, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A MOTION OF THIS, OR WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A REFERRAL TO STAFF, WE'RE DOING THAT. AND OF COURSE, I UNDERSTAND 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THERE.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S A PROBLEM AT THE MOMENT THAT NEEDS FIXING.

SO I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HESITANT TO ADD THAT DUTY.

AND WITH COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI SUGGESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN ROSENBERG'S RULES, BUT WE COULD ADOPT FROM ROBERT'S RULES. THE ABILITY TO CALL A QUESTION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE SOMEBODY COULD SAY, I MOVE TO CALL THE QUESTION. THERE'S NO DEBATE ON THAT.

GOES TO IMMEDIATE VOTE. AND IF THE VOTE PASSES, THEN YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THAT ON THAT ISSUE.

I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE TO DO IF, IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING ON THAT.

AND I HAVE THE SAME NOTES BOTH ON THE TELECONFERENCING AND THE POSTING ON YOUR DOOR INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT INTO OUR RULES SAYING, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS, YOU MUST POST 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE AND JUST ALL THOSE THINGS PER STATE LAW, BECAUSE STATE LAW IS GOING TO CHANGE AT SOME POINT, AND IT WILL SIMPLIFY WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR AGENDA AND IN OUR RULES AS WELL AND HOPEFULLY MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FUTURE PROOF.

I GUESS I'LL PUT IT, CALL IT, AND THE THE FOUR QUESTIONS.

YES. I WANT TO CONTINUE ELECTRONIC PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

I DON'T WANT TO DISENFRANCHISE PEOPLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING AS MUCH PARTICIPATION AS POSSIBLE.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, HAVE DIFFICULTIES MAKING IT HERE IN PERSON.

IT COULD BE TRANSPORTATION, IT COULD BE MEDICAL.

IT COULD JUST BE FAMILY. SO THE ABILITY FOR US TO HAVE THAT, IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM WHERE WE'RE GETTING ZOOM BOMBED AND WE'RE HAVING PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM, I'D LOVE TO REVISIT IT.

BUT UNTIL THEN, IT'S WRITTEN IN THERE THAT WAY NOW.

SO YEAH, KEEP THAT THERE. WRITTEN RECORDS FOR EX PARTE.

I AM NOT A FAN OF. SUGGEST TO START TIMES IF YOU WANT TO DO 3:30 AND 5:30, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IF YOU WANT TO DO FOUR AND SIX, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I PRETTY MUCH DEDICATE LUNCH TIME ON TOWARDS CITY COUNCIL, SO I HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES NOT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY, SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IT IS WORKS WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT DON'T HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. BUT FROM, FROM MY OWN STANDPOINT PRETTY MUCH YOU NAME THE TIME.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO EARLY.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY. LET'S START THE MEETING AT FOUR. THE PUBLIC PART OF THE MEETING AT FOUR, JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENSURE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, I THINK 5:30 WOULD ACTUALLY STILL BE ACCEPTABLE FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

I'VE BEEN PART OF BOARDS THAT STARTED AT 5 AND 5:30 AND 6 AND NEVER REALLY HAD THAT MANY OBJECTIONS FROM PEOPLE AND NUMBER OF ABSENCES

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BUT THE QUESTION OF GOING TO THREE I THINK IS GOOD.

AND LET'S SEE A COUPLE OTHER LITTLE NOTES. I'VE GOT LOTS OF DETAILED NOTES, BUT SO MAYBE SOME OF THE, THE BIGGER THINGS. IN THE ALLOWABLE CONTENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IT DISALLOWS MARKETING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT CIVIC AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND NONPROFITS ARE ALLOWED TO INVENT TO ANNOUNCE EVENTS AND FUNDRAISERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO SAY, WELL, YOU COULDN'T HAVE ANNOUNCED DINING AROUND ARTESIA BECAUSE THAT'S MARKETING FOR THAT.

YOU CAN'T ANNOUNCE THE MIXER FOR KEEP THE ESPLANADE BEAUTIFUL.

YOU CAN'T ANNOUNCE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A WE GET A LOT OF THAT, AND I KNOW IT DOES TAKE TIME FROM OUR MEETING, BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY WHAT IT IS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PUBLIC COMMENT EITHER SPECIFICALLY CALLS THAT OUT AS BEING ALLOWED OR CALLS THAT OUT AS NOT BEING CONSIDERED MARKETING. SO HOWEVER THAT GETS WORDED PER, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE SUBCOMMITTEE, CITY ATTORNEY, STAFF, HOWEVER, HOWEVER WE FIGURE THAT OUT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IN THERE.

SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE ONLY REASON I PUT THAT IN THERE WAS IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.

AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS FOR THINGS THAT ARE UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.

SO IT'S TAKING TIME AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.

AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE WHO COME ALMOST EVERY MEETING AND ANNOUNCE SOMETHING IF WE GOT, YOU KNOW, SBPC, FOR EXAMPLE, COMING TO EVERY MEETING BECAUSE THEY HAVE THREE, AT LEAST THREE OPPORTUNITIES A WEEK, YOU COULD YOU COULD FILL THE WHOLE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WITH JUST ANNOUNCEMENTS OF EVENTS COMING UP AND NOT GET ANYTHING THAT'S TRULY UNDER OUR PURVIEW.

SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S IN THERE. I DIDN'T YEAH.

I THINK THAT WAS THE OTHER PLACE THAT'S NOT MINE.

RIGHT. I WOULD CONSIDER IT UNDER OUR PURVIEW ONLY BECAUSE THESE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE BENEFITING OUR CITY.

SO SOUTH BAY PARKLAND CONSERVANCY IS DOING GREAT.

UNLESS THAT'S A DECISION WE'RE GOING TO MAKE OR SOMETHING WE FUND.

IT'S NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW. WE FUND IMPROVEMENTS AT WILDERNESS PARK AND PARKLAND WILDERNESS PARK.

AND PARKLAND CONSERVANCY COULD ANNOUNCE THAT THEY'RE DOING A WEEDING AT WILDERNESS PARK.

THAT'S IN OUR PURVIEW. THE ESPLANADE. THAT'S A PRETTY WIDE DEFINITION OF PURVIEW.

I'M NOT AGAINST KEEPING THAT, TAKING THAT OUT, BUT JUST.

NO. OH, NO, I IT'S NOT. THAT IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW.

WAS YOUR WAS YOUR GOAL TO EXCLUDE THAT TYPE OF MARKETING OR WAS IT TO EXCLUDE, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW.

PEPSI, YOU KNOW. FOLLOWING WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING UNDER OUR PURVIEW, PURVIEW IS NOT MARKETING. LIKE, IF A COMPANY WANTS A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY TO COME HERE AND MARKET US, RIGHT, THAT'S AGAINST IT FOR SOMEONE TO COME.

I'M NOT. I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW OR THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW MARKETING.

I'M SAYING WHEN WE SAY MARKETING, IT SHOULD BE THAT KIND OF A THING.

I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY COMING UP SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A SALE ON SOFAS.

COME TO MY STORE DOWN THE STREET. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO SEE HERE.

BUT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH SCHOOL'S HAVING A PRODUCTION OF URINETOWN AND THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND GET US TO BUY TICKETS.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THESE ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE IT'S, HERMOSA HAS A SECTION FOR PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S NON NON-PROFITS BUT, OR LIKE COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENTS.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S A COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENT. I'D BE AMENABLE TO THAT I THINK.

HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THAT WE COULD GIVE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ONLY GIVE THEM THREE MINUTES EACH, BUT IS IT REASONABLE TO GIVE EVERYBODY 1 OR 2 MINUTES EACH FOR THAT? THAT WOULD BE OKAY. MY CONCERN IS, NUMBER ONE, I DIDN'T PUT THAT IN THERE.

BUT THEY DID DESCRIBE THAT THIS WAS NOT IN THE PURVIEW OF A JURISDICTION.

THE SCHEDULED COMMUNITY EVENTS BY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IS NOT UNDER THAT PURVIEW.

BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL IT OR VOTE ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

MY CONCERN IS IF WE CUT, IF WE ALLOW THAT AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, COME EAT AT MY RESTAURANT, I'VE GOT A $5 SPECIAL, AND WE CUT HIM OFF AND NOT OR HER AND NOT THE NONPROFITS, ARE WE NOT IF WE HAVE

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I'M OPEN TO IT. A LOT OF LITTLE TYPOS, NITS, LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD FOR NOW. AND I THINK I ANSWERED ALL FOUR OF THE QUESTIONS.

I'M SORRY. I THINK I ANSWERED ALL FOUR OF YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL, SO I THINK I'M GOOD.

OKAY. LET'S SEE. COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI. I KNOW MY HAND IS STILL UP.

THANK YOU. OH. COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR DIGGING INTO THIS. THAT WAS A LOT OF MATERIAL THAT YOU WENT THROUGH, AND I KNOW IT TOOK A LOT OF TIME.

SOME OF THE CHANGES AND ACTUALLY TO COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI HIS POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ATTACKING OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S I SAW IT IN THERE. THERE'S SOME NEW RULES.

I MEAN, 5.10 MEMBERS SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF THEIR DEALINGS OUTSIDE THE MEETINGS IN ADDITION TO INSIDE THE MEETINGS.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. I MEAN, WE WE ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY.

AND ANYTIME WE'RE SPEAKING ON CITY MATTERS, IT REPRESENTS THE CITY.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE SETTING A STANDARD OF DECORUM THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY POSITIVELY.

AND I DO SEE IN HERE THAT INCLUDES IN, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THIS CHAMBER IN PUBLIC, FACE TO FACE INTERACTIONS AS WELL AS SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATION. AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE AD HOC PUBLIC SAFETY DUTIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED BEING ABSORBED INTO THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION.

THAT MAKES SENSE. AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT WILL BE OVERBURDENSOME.

SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD FIT. IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ELECTRONICALLY YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS COUNCIL, WE DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND I THINK WE WERE ANTICIPATING SOME ZOOM BOMBINGS BECAUSE IT HAD HAPPENED IN HERMOSA AND IT HAD HAPPENED IN MALIBU.

AND I THINK RIGHTLY, THE COUNCIL ENDED UP DECIDING TO KEEP IT AS IS ALLOWING FOR PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT WAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT HASN'T BEEN. AND IT DOES ALLOW MORE INPUT.

SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THAT RIGHT NOW.

IN REGARDS TO EX PARTE STRUCTURE YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE TWO SIDES WERE, TWO BOOKENDS OF THE PROPOSALS. AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WHAT WOULD SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE BE? THERE WAS A SUGGESTION MADE ABOUT MAYBE THIS MAYBE A MORE DETAILED EX PARTE COMMUNICATION DISCLOSURE BEING REQUIRED FOR APPEALS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD LIMIT OUR LIABILITY? THAT KIND OF IS WE'RE EXPOSED TO NOW. YES. IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THE COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER PROPOSALS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE KIND OF MAYBE IN BETWEEN WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ALREADY? I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST AGREE TO DISCLOSE MORE IN YOUR DESCRIPTION OR KEEP IT AS IS.

IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. OKAY, SO I DID TRY TO BEEF IT UP A LITTLE BASED ON OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S CONCERN IN DEFINING MORE ABOUT WHAT HAS TO BE STATED VERBALLY WHEN IT'S REPORTED, NOT JUST WHO YOU TALK TO, BUT SOME OF THE CONTENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE GIST OF THAT CONVERSATION VERSUS WRITING IT DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THE COASTAL COMMISSION'S, BUT IT CAN BE PARAGRAPHS, RIGHT? SO I TRIED TO STRIKE A MIDDLE GROUND WHERE IT'S STILL VERBAL, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME SUBSTANCE TO IT.

YEAH. SO I GUESS I'M OPEN TO THAT. AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

SUGGESTED START TIMES. I'M IN FAVOR OF A 4 P.M.

CLOSED SESSION, 6 P.M. OPEN SESSION WITH FLEXIBILITY AS NECESSARY IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW.

WHATEVER MIKE SEES FIT. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR US.

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IS MORE THAN REASONABLE. AND GOOD POINTS ABOUT MAYOR DUTIES AND PRIVILEGES.

I WOULD FAVOR KEEPING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN REGARD TO WHO CAN MAKE A MOTION.

AND JUST ALSO ALIGNING WITH STATE LAWS IN REGARDS TO ANY BROWN ACT VIDEO CONFERENCING OR OTHERWISE. SO YOU WANT TO DELETE THE PARAGRAPH THAT'S THERE AND JUST REFER TO STATE LAW.

YES. OKAY. YES. THAT MAKES. THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.

AND THEN, I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO I THINK I WOULD FAVOR THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL TO RECEIVE ALL THE COMMENTS.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT IS THE MOST TRANSPARENT, EVEN WAY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, WHAT'S BEING POLLED AS A CONCERN AND HOW IT IS ADDRESSED.

IF IT'S, IF WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE ADDRESSING IT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE MEMBERS WHO WILL BE LEFT OUT OF THAT.

IT'S GOING TO MAKE FOR A VERY LONG MEETING TO TAKE WHAT THOSE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS BRING UP AND KIND OF GO CONCERN BY CONCERN OVER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AMENDING.

SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO HOW WOULD YOU PROCEED THEN, IF WITHOUT A SUBCOMMITTEE, AS THE MAYOR HAD PROPOSED, WHERE WE BASICALLY NOTE THE SECTIONS OR THE THE ITEMS THAT ARE CONCERNING AND THEN HE PRESENTED THAT SPREADSHEET.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PULL IT UP, BUT IT BASICALLY SAYS THE SECTION WHAT THE CONCERN IS, WHO BROUGHT IT UP AND THEN HOW IT WAS INCORPORATED ULTIMATELY.

OKAY. I WOULD JUST GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

I WAS GOING TO PICK UP ON THAT. IT'S A FAIR POINT FOR EFFICIENCY AND TRANSPARENCY.

WHAT I, WHAT I COULD COMMIT TO IS TO INCLUDE IN A PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE PREPARED WITH STAFF, WHERE IT WILL BE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

TONIGHT'S COMMENTS WILL BE INCLUDED. THERE WILL BE NO IMBALANCE OR LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

I THINK IT WILL BE EFFICIENT. THE BUDGET PROCESS WAS MENTIONED.

THAT'S A MODEL THAT WE CAN FOLLOW AND GIVE YOU THE COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL DO THAT AND DO IT RIGHT.

SO THAT'S MY ASK. I MEAN, MY COUNTER IS SUBCOMMITTEE CAN'T TAKE ANY INPUTS THAT AS THE COUNCIL REVIEWS, I'M SURE NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE REVIEWED EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE.

SO IF THEY COME UP WITH COMMENTS IN THE INTERIM, YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE'LL HAVE THIS HEARING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WHERE WE'LL COME BACK NOT RUSHING BUT STILL BEING QUICK, AND WE'LL HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. SO IT WON'T BE REVIEWING A CHANGE DOCUMENT.

AND I COULD GET THROUGH THAT, IF I MAY. WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN OPEN SESSION TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.

WELL, MAYBE WE BRING UP. OKAY. I DON'T CARE WHICH WAY WE GO.

HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME. AS LONG AS IT COMES OUT, YOU KNOW, GOOD AT THE END.

BUT WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING WAS IN TWO WEEKS TIME, WE HAVE.

IF WE IF WE ARE THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE HAVE A VERSION, WE SEND IT OVER.

AFTER THAT, ANOTHER SUBCOMMITTEE CAN BE FORMED, OR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER ON THAT SIDE COULD TAKE THE DOCUMENT.

THE WORD DOCUMENT AND MAKE CHANGES THAT THEY WANT, AND THEN COME BACK ANOTHER TIME WITH THOSE, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE CHANGES, BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER CHANGES AT THAT POINT.

AND ULTIMATELY WE'LL REACH A DOCUMENT THAT EVERYBODY CAN AGREE UPON HOPEFULLY. BUT DOESN'T IT SAY IF THE MAYOR COORDINATES IT, I THINK WE'LL GET TO THE SAME KIND OF DESTINATION. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WAS MY POINT, IS THAT IF WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER SUBCOMMITTEE, IT JUST DELAYS THE PROCESS WHERE THE MAYOR IS IN THE UNIQUE POSITION TO RECEIVE ALL THOSE COMMENTS IN REAL TIME AND INCORPORATE THEM AS IT.

WELL, ANOTHER ANOTHER IDEA, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, IS WE COULD CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO NEXT TUESDAY.

MY SENSE IS THE TWO OF YOU ARE BROWN ACTING ON THIS ITEM.

YES. YOU COULD BE PREPARED ON TUESDAY TO DROP YOUR RED LINES AND EDITS AT THAT MEETING, PERHAPS EVEN CIRCULATE IT AS BLUE FOLDER MATERIAL IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING. YES YOU WOULD STILL, ALL THREE OF YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR ON THE DOCUMENT THAT'S PENDING. AND THEN WE CAN ALL AGAIN DISCUSS THIS NEXT TUESDAY, JUST KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA.

NOW THERE, THE RED LINES PRESUMABLY FROM THE BROWN ACT PARTNERS ON THIS WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET GOING OUT

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AND THAT WOULD KEEP THE MOMENTUM. AND THAT WOULD STILL ALLOW EACH OF YOU TO EFFECTIVELY COMMENT ON THE DOCUMENTS.

AND NO, IT WOULD BE PREPARED FOR DISCUSSION NEXT TUESDAY.

BUT IT'S LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY WORSE THAN WHAT WE JUST HAD IS THAT THERE WILL BE A FULLY REWRITTEN DOCUMENT, AN EXISTING DOCUMENT, COMMENTS TO THE EXISTING DOCUMENT THAT HAVE TO ALL BE ADJUDICATED, AND THERE'S NO TIME TO REVIEW THEIR STUFF.

WELL, BUT THEN FOR THAT MEETING. YOU ALL DO THAT VERY MUCH LIKE YOU DO WITH THE BUDGET.

YOU'LL DO IT VERY PLAINLY NEXT TUESDAY AND THEN YOU CAN RECONCILE FROM NEXT TUESDAY GOING FORWARD.

I DON'T. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN A BUDGET. THIS IS WORDING IN A DOCUMENT.

BUT IT ALLOWS, IT WOULD MOVE THINGS MORE QUICKLY.

YES, I DISAGREE. I THINK IT WOULD CONFUSE THINGS.

DO YOU THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO ANOTHER TURN THROUGH THE MAYOR FOR NEXT TUESDAY? AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON THAT DOCUMENT, BECAUSE THAT WILL INCORPORATE ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT.

GOOD POINT. POSSIBLY. HOWEVER, AFTER GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE BEYOND WHAT WE GOT TO TONIGHT.

OKAY. BUT WHAT I WILL DO IS NOT ONLY PROVIDE RED LINES, BUT ALSO A LIST FOR EASE OF REFERENCE OF ADDITIONAL ACTION ITEMS, DECISION POINTS THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO TONIGHT AND HAVE THAT SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S A LIST OF 20 THINGS. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE OTHER THINGS AFTER HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT.

SO THAT WOULD WORK WITH A SUBCOMMITTEE REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

COUNCILMEMBER BEHRENDT COMING WITH THE RED LINE [LAUGHS]. SO. YEAH.

ONE QUESTION, THOUGH IT WOULD BE WORTH NOTING WE DON'T HAVE A VERY LARGE DISCUSSION CALENDAR NEXT TUESDAY.

THERE'S ONE POSSIBLE ITEM OF SUBSTANCE WITH I NEED TO CONFER WITH MARC TOMORROW TO DETERMINE OFFICIALLY IF IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.

BUT THIS, WE WOULD HAVE BANDWIDTH NEXT TUESDAY TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.

I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SCHEDULE IT IF THERE'S NOT A WAY TO MEANINGFULLY ADVANCE IT ANY MORE SO THAN WE HAVE TONIGHT.

BUT WE DO HAVE THAT OPTION. AND I DO BELIEVE IT'S A FAIRLY LIGHT DRAFT AGENDA THUS FAR.

THAT THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME. BE READY TO PRESENT IT AND HAVE THAT LIST SO YOU CAN HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE.

SO YEAH. WOULD THE THREE OF US BE BEST HAVING OUR COMMENTS READY OR SENDING THEM TO THE MAYOR TO BE COALESCED? SO IT'S KIND OF SUBCOMMITTEE AND MAYOR WOULD HAVE THE BULK OF IT.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD SAY HAVE YOUR COMMENTS READY. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND WE'LL SEND THEM TO THE MAYOR, PRESENT THEM, OR NEXT WEEK WE DO THE MAYOR. AND THE WEEK AFTER THAT, THE SUBCOMMITTEE GOES.

IF YOU DON'T SEND THEM TO THE MAYOR, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ALL OF THIS ON THE FLY. AND JUST LIKE EVERY LITTLE COMMENT, OKAY, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE BUDGET, RIGHT? EXCEPT WE'RE GOING TO BE USING WORDS INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING IN A NUMBER.

AND SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE NEED A COMMA THERE, RIGHT? [LAUGHS] I DO AGREE, I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO SIT UP HERE AND SIT THERE AND SAY, THIS SHOULD BE A PLURAL. YES. FEEL FREE TO SEND IT TO THE.

MISSED A COMMA. AND THERE'S TWO SPACES AFTER THE PERIOD.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. DO WE DO IF WE DO LIKE A IF WE DO FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE, MAYBE AFTER NEXT WEEK WE GET A FULL TURN, INCORPORATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE TONIGHT IN SORT OF A NEW CLEAN DRAFT.

YES. AND THEN YOU CAN AND THEN REDLINE IT, REDLINE IT FROM THERE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING A NEW CLEAN DRAFT. RIGHT. SO SO YOU HAVE YOUR NOTES FROM TONIGHT PLUS WHAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DISCUSS.

YEAH. HOLD ON TO THOSE. WE GIVE THE MAYOR OUR COMMENTS.

HE'LL DO A TURN. RIGHT. YES. AND COME BACK NEXT TUESDAY WITH A NEW CLEAN DRAFT.

AND THEN YOU GO FROM THERE. HERE'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.

HERE'S WHAT I SAY TO THAT. THERE'S A LOT TO TO REVISE IN THIS DRAFT JUST BY GOING THROUGH IT.

I MEAN, ARMS, LEGS, BIG CHUNKS OF THINGS THAT NEED TO COME OUT, YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH THE TELECONFERENCING.

SO DO YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR TURN FIRST AND THEN WE DO, PLEASE.

YES, YOU CAN TELL. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT TURN. I'LL HAVE IT READY TO GO, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

THAT'S SO. SO IF WE. AND IF WE. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT, IF WE AGENDIZE THIS FOR NEXT WEEK.

HE'LL BE PREPARED TO DROP THE DOCUMENT AT LEAST BY THE START OF THE EVENING.

THAT EVENING, IF NOT FULLY PRESENTED THAT EVENING, THEN.

THEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANOTHER ROUND OF REVISIONS AFTER THAT.

YES. AGREED. TIME TO REVIEW IT. YOU'LL DISCUSS IT, DROP IT IN BLUE FOLDER, AND THEN WE COME INTO THE MEETING AND WE'RE EXPECTED TO YOU'LL DISCUSS THE PRINCIPLE. REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DRAFTING.

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YOU'RE ALL WORKING THROUGH CONCEPTS STILL. SO THE IDEA IS RED LINES GET DEPOSITED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR THE BROWN ACT TEAM.

THEN YOU ALL DIGEST THOSE COMMENTS AND YOU COALESCE AROUND THE DIRECTION THAT'S GIVEN TO US TO COMPLETE THE DRAFTING FOR FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION, THE DRAFT. WE WILL COMPLETE, AFTER YOU ALL WEIGH IN AND OPINE ON THE DRAFT DOCUMENTS, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US TO FORMULATE THE DOCUMENTS FOR A RESOLUTION AND THE VARIOUS INTRODUCTORY ORDINANCES TO MAKE THE CHANGES.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVERYBODY'S END POINT INPUTS AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE DOCUMENT.

YEAH. YEAH. ONCE WE'RE READY FOR FINALIZATION.

ABSOLUTELY. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PREPARE THESE DOCUMENTS FOR AND IT MAY TAKE MORE THAN TWO MEETINGS.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW TO FOR THE COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH COMMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE OTHER COMMENTS TO LATER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET TO READ IT.

THEY PROBABLY, YOU PROBABLY WILL. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, AT LEAST AT THAT POINT, THE DOCUMENT WILL HAVE BEEN PRESENTED FOR CONSIDERATION FOR YOU ALL BY NEXT TUESDAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I JUST DID.

BUT IF WE, IF WE MAKE IT FOR TWO WEEKS AND WE GET THE DOCUMENT BACK, THAT'LL GIVE US A WEEK TO REVIEW IT LIKE, YES, I THINK FOR NEXT WEEK WE WON'T BE READY TO DISCUSS ANYTHING AND REALLY RECEIVE AND FILE THIS RECEIVE AND FILE, AND WE'LL COME BACK ON THE 16TH TO DISCUSS. YEAH, I THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, I COULD MAKE AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE THIS ON THURSDAY, OR WE COULD DO THE TWO WEEK SCHEDULE EITHER WAY.

I'M READY TO DROP IT. BUT EVEN ON YOUR DRAFT, YOU WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS.

SO HERE'S THE ONLY DOWNSIDE THOUGH. RIGHT. SO IF WE MISS NEXT WEEK'S OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS, WHETHER THE DOCUMENTS DISSEMINATE IN THE AGENDA PACKET THURSDAY NIGHT OR LATER, THE FIRST TIME YOU WILL ALL BE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED REVISIONS OR IS GOING TO BE ON THE 16TH. SO THEN WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH DRAFTING UNTIL YOU SUBSTANTIVELY COALESCE AROUND THE FINAL PROVISIONS, WHICH LIKELY WON'T OCCUR THE FIRST NIGHT YOU DISCUSS THEM.

RIGHT. SO THEN AT MINIMUM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT US COALESCING AROUND THE PROVISIONS IN THE CHANGES, FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, DRAFTING, AND THEN COMING BACK TO YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THAT WITH THE FINAL DOCUMENTS FOR APPROVAL.

SO IF YOU CONTINUE THIS NEXT WEEK, AT LEAST YOU'RE GETTING A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THEM CONCEPTUALLY NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT AND THEN CAN COME BACK WITH MORE REFINED COMMENTS ON THE 16TH. I JUST FEEL THAT IF WE GET, IF I TAKE COMMENTS FROM EVERYBODY AND DO THAT, WE GET A MUCH MORE REFINED PROCESS THAN IF WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE SUBMIT IT AND THEN HAVE TO WRITE.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS ENDLESSLY MAYOR SO CAN WE JUST CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO, AND THIS COULD FAIL? CAN I MAKE A MOTION FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE TO BE FORMED TO REDLINE THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED COUNCIL RULES? AND THE DEADLINE FOR THE SUBMISSION OF THOSE, THAT RED LINE WILL BE TUESDAY AT 2 P.M., AND WE'LL HAVE A FIRST DISCUSSION TO REVIEW WHAT THOSE RED LINES ARE ON TUESDAY. AND SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD CARRY THIS EXACT SAME AGENDA TITLE OVER TO NEXT WEEK? YES. AND THEN. AND THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEPOSIT NEW MATERIAL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AGENDA.

NEXT TUESDAY, WE CAN DECIDE THE NEXT STEP TO TAKE, WHETHER IT'S THE MAYOR COORDINATE, YOU KNOW, TAKING IN INPUTS FROM YOU ALL OR ANOTHER SET OF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, FURTHER REVISING IT. YEAH. WELL, I'LL SAY THIS IF, YOU KNOW, IF I GET THE DOCUMENT TO STAFF ON THURSDAY OR EARLIER, I WILL. I KNOW YOU'RE DARK FRIDAY, SO YOU COULD GET THAT OUT AS A BLUE FOLDER.

AND I'M, AS I SAID, I'VE WORKED ON THIS ALL OVER THE WEEKEND AND I'VE HEARD ALL THE COMMENTS TONIGHT, SO I THINK I COULD PROBABLY GET IT TO YOU ON THURSDAY.

OKAY. THAT WILL BE MY ATTEMPTED COMMITMENT AND THAT WILL WORK OUT THEN.

THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT. AND WE COULD COME BACK TUESDAY AND COUNCIL MEMBER CASTLE'S POINT, PICK IT UP AND GO FROM THERE.

DO YOU WANT TO SECOND MY MOTION? YES. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? WE HAVE WRITTEN ANY WRITTEN? NO CARDS. OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MANAGER. MR. LIGHT. I DO WANT TO FIRST, THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST PRESENTING IT, THAT THIS IS A STARTING POINT BECAUSE I SAW IT DROP AND IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO TRY TO RUSH IT THROUGH BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST.

SO I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT. BUT TALK TO ME. OH, OKAY.

AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU, MAYOR LIGHT, FOR SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON IT.

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I THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BEHRENDT, FOR ACTUALLY REVIEWING IT.

IT'S 100 PAGES, AND WHEN I SAW IT DROPPED, UNFORTUNATELY, MY LIAISON SENT ME A NOTICE SAYING IT'S THERE.

I WAS ABLE TO AT LEAST FOCUS ON IT. THE CODE OF CONDUCT IS GOING TO BE WHAT YOU GUYS WANT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT I DO WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT DO IMPACT WHAT I'M DOING AS A COMMISSIONER, AND THAT IS DEALING WITH THE ORDINANCE ON THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION.

I AM NOT CLEAR FROM READING THIS WHAT PARAGRAPH B.2 REGARDING REVIEW AND ADVISE CITY COUNCIL ON THE CURRENCY AND COMPLETENESS OF THE CITY REGISTER.

I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE WORD CURRENCY, HOW IT PLAYS INTO THIS.

I'M ALSO CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE RECOMMENDATION OF REVIEWING THE HISTORIC RESOURCES AND TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO STEP UP TO ITS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE SURVEY, IS BEING COMPLETELY DELETED OUT OF IT.

I SERVED ON THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND WAS THE CHAIR FOR THAT FOR THREE YEARS.

AND MY MENTOR IN THE HISTORIC COMMISSION WAS PAT DRISLER, WHO WAS ONE OF THE DRIVERS OF HORSES IN THERE.

AND WE USED TO HAVE REGULAR DISCUSSIONS ON IT.

AND WAY THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT COMMISSION IS OUR JOB IS TO PROMOTE HISTORY IN THE COMMUNITY, TO GATHER STORIES, TO DISSEMINATE STORIES. AND THIS CUTS OUT A SIGNIFICANT PART WITH REGARDS TO THE ACTUAL MUSEUM RUNNING.

WE DON'T GET REPORTS NOW ON PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION UNTIL THIS LAST MEETING, BUT WE USED TO GET REGULAR REPORTS OF WHAT THE MUSEUM'S DOING AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I THINK YOU SHOULD BIFURCATE THE CODE OF CONDUCT WITH THE THE STATUTE, THE ORDINANCES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING, BECAUSE I CAN SPEAK FOR.

I'M USING UP ALL MY TIME NOW, BUT I CAN SPEAK ON PROBABLY ABOUT 15, 20 MINUTES ON IT.

AND I THINK I HAVE WITH SOME OF IT. ROSENBERG IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD RESOURCE.

WE'VE USED IT IN OUR COMMISSIONS BEFORE. SO I DO WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SPENDING ALL THAT TIME DOING IT.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU FOR THE CITY.

AND THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE] FOR DOING ALL THAT YOU DO.

THANK YOU. I'M JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES THAT I MADE TO THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION WAS TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY ACTIONABLE, NOT ACTIONABLE, WITHIN THE PURVIEW. IT HAD WORDS THAT BASICALLY SAID YOU'RE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REGISTER, AND THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. AND IT HAD WORDS THAT YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENCY AND THAT'S NOT TRUE.

SO MY ATTEMPT WAS TO SAY IT'S STILL UNDER YOUR PURVIEW, BUT NOT THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.

YOU'RE TO ADVISE THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB OR THAT STEADY STAFF IS NOT DOING ITS JOB WITH RESPECT TO CURRENCY AND CURRENCY MEANT, IS IT REASONABLY UP TO DATE BASED ON CONDITIONS THAT THAT YOU SEE TODAY, OR DEFINITIONS OF HISTORIC RESOURCES AS THEY EXIST TODAY? THAT'S THAT WERE THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE CHANGES.

MAYOR CITY COUNCIL STAFF. MARK HANSEN, KING HARBOR BOATER.

GREAT WORK ON THIS, GUYS. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU A COUPLE MORE DAYS, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT WORK.

THE MAIN THING I WANT TO RISE IN FAVOR OF IS THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE HARBOR COMMISSION.

WE'VE NEEDED THOSE FOR A LONG TIME. I PROBABLY HOLD THE RECORD FOR THE MOST HARBOR COMMISSION MEETINGS ATTENDED OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS.

AND WHEN WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, IT'S SOMETIMES BEEN REALLY FRUSTRATING.

WE'LL HAVE SOME REALLY HIGHLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.

BUT THEY'RE, THE ENGINEERING SPOT IS ALREADY TAKEN BY SOMEBODY ELSE AND SO WE COULDN'T USE THEM.

BUT ON THAT. THE WAY IT'S WORDED, I LIKE THE GENERAL DIRECTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE HAD LANGUAGE IN THE OLD ONE THAT SAID ONLY ONE PERSON CAN FILL EACH CALL. WE TOOK THAT LANGUAGE OUT, BUT IT MAY BE WE NEED SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO SAY IT'S OKAY TO HAVE MULTIPLES IN THERE.

I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT. IT JUST DOESN'T QUITE, QUITE SAY IT.

AND I'LL TELL YOU FILLING THE SUBCOMMITTEES IS GOING TO BE WAY EASIER BECAUSE WE TEND TO, AT LEAST AT HARBOR COMMISSION, KEEP COMING BACK TO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE HARBOR.

WE MIGHT NOT USE THE LAWYER OR THE REAL ESTATE GUY OR SOMETHING.

SO I THINK THE WAY THIS IS BUILT WILL PROBABLY HAVE MORE HIGHLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES.

AS I LOOK THROUGH MOST ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS SAY, MAY HAVE THIS, ONLY THREE OF THEM SAY WILL THE ONLY ONE MAYBE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT

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OKAY. AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THAT. IF WE CAN DO IT, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT.

OKAY. I'VE TRIED TO GET THE PADDLERS TO JOIN.

OKAY. BUT IF WE COULDN'T GET THEM, WE COULD BE IN THAT POSITION.

WELL, WE HAVE AN OPENING, AND WE HAVE TO USE A PADDLER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEFT AT THE MOMENT.

SO WE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE THAT FROM WILL TO SHALL.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM AT THE ON THE VERY LAST LINE IN THEIR SECTION, F, APPOINTEES MAY QUALIFY IN MORE THAN ONE DISCIPLINE OR DESIGNATION, AND MAY BE COUNTED AGAINST ANY OF THE DESIGNATIONS OR DISCIPLINES OVER THE DURATION OF THEIR TERMS WHEN VACANCIES ARE FILLED.

I READ THAT ABOUT THREE TIMES, TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT IT WAS TRYING TO SAY, SO WE MIGHT JUST WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN WORDSMITH THAT ONE JUST A TINY, TINY BIT. MOVING ON TO THE ROSENBERG RULES, I'M MORE FAMILIAR WITH ROBERT'S RULES, BUT AS COMMISSIONER WALLER POINTED OUT, THERE'S GREAT LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT CALLING FOR THE QUESTION.

SO YOU'LL STUDY UP ON THAT, I'M SURE. INTERESTING ONE ON THE CHAIR VOTING.

HEY, TAKE A LOOK AT ROBERT'S RULES AND ROSENBERG.

THEY TALK ABOUT SMALL GROUPS AND BIG GROUPS, AND IN BIG GROUPS, THEY SAY THE CHAIR SHOULDN'T VOTE, BUT IN SMALLER ONES, THEY SAY SHOULD. SO GO REVIEW IT AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK.

IT'S PURELY UP TO YOU GUYS. START TIME. I THINK 6:00 IS IS GREAT.

FOR PEOPLE GETTING HERE, I'M IN FAVOR OF ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION.

MY ONE LAST THING. CAN I STEAL 10S FOR MY LAST ONE? I'M SORRY. WE CAN'T EXTEND. OH. OKEY DOKEY. PUT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN FRONT OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

THANKS. SO, JUST A COUPLE NOTES HERE. THE HARBOR VERSUS PADDLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THOSE ARE TWO DISTINCT CLASSES OF BOATERS AND I DON'T THINK, A PADDLER DOESN'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT A BOAT A BIG BOAT DRIVER NEEDS. AND VICE VERSA. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE A BOATER AND YOU DON'T PADDLE, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THOSE NEEDS.

AND I THINK PERSONALLY I THINK WE NEED BOTH SIDES LOOKED AFTER.

I DON'T THINK IT'S HARD TO GET PADDLERS TO PARTICIPATE.

AND A LOT OF THEM DO DO BOTH. SO AND THEN THE COMPLEX ONE THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT THAT WAS MEANT TO RIGHT NOW, THE INTERPRETATION IS ONCE YOU'RE ON THE HARBOR COMMISSION AND YOU'RE TIED WITH A QUALIFICATION THAT DOESN'T CHANGE OVER YOUR TENURE, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY QUALIFY FOR 2 OR 3 UNDER 2 OR 3 OF THOSE.

SO THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. IF YOU CAN'T FIND THAT OPEN POSITION, IF YOU CAN'T REQUALIFY, ONE OF THOSE OTHER ONES MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO TO FILL THE OPEN POSITION.

AND SO THAT WAS MEANT TO OVERTLY DEFINE THAT OVER TIME, IF YOU QUALIFY FOR 2 OR 3, YOU MAY BE PUT INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY TO HELP WITH ANOTHER OPENING. AND THAT WAS THE ONLY.

LIKE A REAL ESTATE AGENT WHO OWNS A BUSINESS.

I'M SORRY. LIKE A BOAT OWNER WHO'S AN ATTORNEY, WHO IS A REAL ESTATE AGENT.

RIGHT? AND ONCE YOU'RE IN THERE AS AN ATTORNEY, EVEN THOUGH OR LET'S SAY YOU'RE A BOAT OWNER, RIGHT? EVEN ONCE YOU'RE IN THERE AS A BOAT OWNER, RIGHT NOW, THE INTERPRETATION IS YOU'RE A BOAT OWNER UNTIL YOU'RE OUT OF THAT COMMISSION.

BUT LET'S SAY AN ATTORNEY POSITION OPENS UP. WE CAN'T FIND AN ATTORNEY.

WE CAN'T. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND AND THIS IS MEANT TO BE FLEXIBLE.

WE STILL HAVE THE DISCIPLINE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTED, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME PERSON.

AND SO THAT WAS TO PROVIDE THAT FLEXIBILITY. AND IT IS THE TIGHTEST QUALIFICATION COMMISSION.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE IN THE PAST IT WAS A MUCH IT HAD MUCH MORE POWER.

AND THAT GOT DISSOLVED OVER THE YEARS. BUT THE REQUIREMENTS DIDN'T GET DISSOLVED WITH IT OR CHANGED WITH IT.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? HI THERE, DESIREE GALASSI.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY, ON THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION.

ITEM C, RECREATION AND PARKS DUTIES. ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHERE IT SAYS, ACT AS AN ADVISOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN ALL MATTERS PERTAINING TO PUBLIC RECREATION PROGRAMS, INCLUDING PLAYGROUNDS AND ENTERTAINMENT.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ABOUT THE ENTERTAINMENT? BECAUSE THAT NOTHING HAS COME BEFORE US REGARDING ENTERTAINMENT AND IS THAT PART OF THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION? WHAT IS THE ENTERTAINMENT? IS IT CONCERTS ON THE PIER?

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AND IT SAYS IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION AS A LANDMARK, A HISTORIC RESOURCE MUST BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT A HISTORIC RESOURCE OF AT LEAST 30 YEARS OF AGE MAY BE ELIGIBLE.

IF THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT THE RESOURCE IS OF EXCEPTIONAL OR THREATENED BY DEMOLITION, REMOVAL, RELOCATION, OR INAPPROPRIATE ALTERATION.

SO MY QUESTION IS ARE THESE PART OF THE LIST OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, OR ARE THESE ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE 50 YEARS OF AGE? WE HAVE A LIST OF HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT IS DATING 30 YEARS, 30 YEARS AGO.

SO IT'S IT'S QUITE OUTDATED. I KNOW THAT THERE IS MONEY EARMARKED TO HAVE A NEW SURVEY DONE.

IT'S FALLEN SORT OF DOWN THE LIST AND WE ARE DESPERATE TO HAVE THAT DONE.

SO I GUESS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT HOUSES OF 50 YEARS OLD OR THOSE OF 30 YEARS OLD, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S COMING FROM THE LIST OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, THE CURRENT LIST THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS SEVERELY OUTDATED OR NOT FROM THE LIST, ANY HOUSE THAT'S 50 YEARS OLD.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS. IT'S REALLY INFORMATIVE AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.

COULD YOU SUBMIT THAT IN WRITING? BECAUSE THAT WAS PRETTY COMPLEX.

I'D LIKE TO DIGEST THAT MORE. SURE. BUT THE INTENT WASN'T TO TAKE POWERS AWAY FROM THE COMMISSION WITH REGARD TO PRESERVATION, JUST TO DOCUMENT IT. AND YOU BROUGHT UP A POTENTIAL CONFLICT THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT OF.

AND THAT'S ORIGINALLY WHEN WE, AND THIS IS DRAFTED FROM AN ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST APPROVED A YEAR AGO OR LESS THAN A YEAR AGO.

YOU KNOW, WE PROGRAMING INCLUDED ENTERTAINMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT, AND I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

THERE'S PROBABLY AN OVERLAP WITH THE NEW CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.

AND MAYBE WE NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE WHAT WE MEAN BY THE TWO OR, OR MOVE IT ALL INTO ONE AND NOT HAVE IT IN BOTH.

SO THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. ANYONE ELSE? HELLO. HAT? [LAUGHS] I'M SORRY, I KNOW I DROPPED MY PROP FOR THE, FOR THIS GOOD EVENING, LAURA DUKE AGAIN.

JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, I JUST ONLY CAUGHT KIND OF THE LAST SLIDE BECAUSE I STEPPED AWAY, BUT A FEW NOTES THAT I MADE ON THE ELECTRONIC PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT WE KEEP INTACT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT CAME ABOUT WITH COVID, ONE OF THE FEW GREAT THINGS THAT CAME FROM COVID.

AND I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. IT MAY BE MAYBE THAT IT'S GONE ON BEFORE, BUT WHAT A GREAT THING, REALLY. AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO PREVIOUSLY MAYBE COULDN'T HAVE PARTICIPATED WHO CAN NOW.

AND SO THERE COULD BE ISSUES ALSO AS FAR AS THAT GOES OF LIKE ADA VIOLATION LAWS IF YOU DON'T ALLOW IT, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD GET US INTO TROUBLE OR SOMETHING, BUT BEYOND ALL THAT, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE AND THE WHOLE ZOOM BOMBING THING, IT FEELS LIKE IT DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS OF KEEPING IT.

SO THAT AND THEN MEETING START TIMES. I'M KIND OF HOPING YOU KEEP THEM THE SAME FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK.

I WOULD IMAGINE YOU GUYS WORK MOSTLY. MOST OF YOU, I THINK WORK AND I WORK, AND SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO JET DOWN HERE TO GET COMMENTS IN. AND ON THAT NOTE, ALSO ON THE. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

KIND OF FUNNY. MARK HANSEN WAS CUT OFF FOR HIS EXTENSION, BUT THE THING HE KIND OF SLIPPED IN THERE, I WAS LIKE, YES. AND IT'S PUTTING PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON-AGENDA ABOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH YOU GUYS PROBABLY HEAR. AND I'M SURE THERE'S A REASON THAT'S NOT DONE, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED AND CHANGED FOR PEOPLE TO COME DOWN HERE AND VOICE THEIR VIEWS AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT WHEN THEY MAY NOT HAVE TIME TO DO SO.

AND THEN MAYOR LIGHT, YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ANNOUNCEMENTS DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, MAYBE SEPARATE IT OUT, I GUESS? BUT IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO HAVE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS WHERE YOU'RE ADDRESSING THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD BE VALUABLE.

AND AS FAR AS IF YOU'RE NOT, IF IT'S NOT ON YOUR PURVIEW TO DECIDE ON, IT'S STILL IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW. SO MAYBE SEPARATE THOSE OUT. AND IS IT A MOOT POINT ANYWAY IF YOU'RE NOT GOING BEYOND THE 30 MINUTES?

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IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU'VE DONE A TON OF WORK, AND IT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL IN MANY WAYS ONCE EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? HELLO. MY NAME IS JULIE YOUNG. I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR WORK IN IN DOING THIS, I UNDERSTAND IT WAS A VERY BIG, VERY BIG PROJECT. JUST A QUICK NOTE WHEN TALKING ABOUT ATTENDANCE, I WOULD LIKE SPECIAL MEETINGS TO BE EXCLUDED FROM ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS.

BECAUSE WE DID WE HAD VERY SHORT NOTICE ON A, ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JUNE.

WE HAD LIKE FOUR DAYS NOTICE OF A MEETING THAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR.

AND JUST I WOULD LIKE THAT TO NOT COUNT AGAINST SOMEONE WHO CAN'T GO TO PRESCHEDULED MEETINGS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD POINT. I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT'S AN, I THINK IT WAS REGULAR MEETINGS, BUT I THAT'S EASY TO RECONCILE IF IT'S NOT.

MAKES SENSE. ANYONE ELSE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S UNLESS.

EUGENE, YOU WANT TO COMMENT? OKAY. ANYONE ONLINE? I HAVE NONE ONLINE. I HAVE TWO ECOMMENTS THAT SUPPORT.

YOU HAVE NONE ONLINE. OH, NO. NO. ZOOM. OKAY.

AND SUPPORT. TWO ECOMMENTS TO SUPPORT. CORRECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. GO AHEAD.

IS IT COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT, IS YOUR INTENTION TO GO OVER THESE ORDINANCES REGARDING THE COMMISSIONS AS WELL BY THURSDAY? YES, I'VE REVIEWED THOSE TOO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YOU HAD A VERY FUN WEEKEND. I KNOW YOU JUST GOT INTO [LAUGHS] AND THEN I HAVE ONE JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP EARLIER, BUT IT CAME UP AGAIN. FOR THE COMMISSIONERS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A ROTATING CHAIR. SO THERE'S SEVEN COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S ROTATING CHAIR.

IN THOSE CASES, THE CHAIR COULD MAKE A MOTION AND VOTE YES.

THAT'S A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BODY AS DISTINCT FROM, AS DISTINCT FROM.

RIGHT, EXACTLY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE DOCUMENT THAT IT DISTINGUISHES.

THAT DISTINCTION, THAT DICHOTOMY WILL BE IN THE DOCUMENT.

AND I WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS, I HAVE NO HEARTBURN WITH TAKING MY ABILITY TO MAKE MOTION OUT OF THAT.

IT ISN'T A ROSENBERG'S RULES, OKAY. THAT ALLOWS IT.

AND I ONLY PUT WELL, I PUT IT IN GENERAL, BUT THEN I ONLY INSERTED IT IN TWO PLACES.

BUT I MEAN, I'VE NEVER HAD AN OCCASION WHERE IT DIDN'T WORK.

SO I HAVE NO, THERE'S NO HEARTBURN IN THAT. SO.

YEAH. OKAY WITH THAT? WE HAVE A MOTION. I THINK IT'S AN INCOMPLETE MOTION.

WHO DO YOU WANT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE? COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT AND I.

BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO BROWN ACT. COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT ON THIS GOING FORWARD, GO FOR IT. I GOT MY FIRST ASO SOCCER PRACTICE ON THURSDAY.

I'M QUITE NERVOUS FOR IT AND GOTTA PREPARE FOR IT.

IT'S YOU FIVE. DON'T WORRY. SO YOU SIX, YOU SIX.

OKAY, WELL, OUT OF FAIRNESS, YOU TWO ARE BROWN ACTING ON THIS ANYWAY.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON THIS TOGETHER, THIS ISN'T REALLY A SUBCOMMITTEE MOTION.

THIS IS REALLY A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO NEXT WEEK WITH THE COMMITMENT FROM THE TWO BROWN ACT PARTNERS TO DEPOSIT THEIR PROPOSED RED LINES TO THE DOCUMENTS.

I WOULD JUST LIKE CONSIDERATION THAT I GET CONSULTED ON THE CHANGES SO THAT I CAN AT LEAST GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE ON WHY IT'S IN THERE. ON IF HE'S GOING TO PRODUCE IT BY THURSDAY, IT'S GOING TO GET SENT TO EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME.

SO I MEAN, BEFORE IT GETS PRODUCED, TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S.

YOU GUYS CAN TALK ABOUT IT. I MEAN, BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY, CHAT ABOUT IT.

COMMITMENT. YES. SO COLLABORATIVE I LOVE IT. AND I STILL DON'T LIKE THIS.

IT IS KIND OF A. WELL, IT'S LESS THAN A SUB TO ME.

IT'S ONE GUY WRITING THE WHOLE THING. IT'S A, THEY'RE BROWN ACTING ON IT.

THEY'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT IT. THEY REALLY CAN'T NOT WE CAN'T BREAK UP THE BROWN ACT AT THIS POINT.

SO WE CAN IF IT WAS ALL DISCLOSED. WELL, I THINK WE'LL GET THAT DISCLOSURE ON THURSDAY, IS WHAT I'M THINKING.

YEAH, IT'LL BE FINE. MAYOR. YOU'LL BE FINE. YOU'LL GET YOUR INPUTS IN.

IT'S NOT MY INPUTS. JUST WHY IT'S IN MY RATIONALE.

YES. NOT MY INPUTS. I'M OPEN. BELIEVE ME, I AM OPEN TO CHANGING THIS.

I JUST THERE'S A LOT BEHIND THIS, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND A LOT OF RESEARCH, AND I JUST WANT AT LEAST THE CHANCE TO.

YES, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE. OKAY. ALL FOR? AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY. SO IT'S NEXT. WE'RE COMING BACK NEXT WEEK WITH AGENDA.

YES, RE-AGENDIZED FOR DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK. AND IT MAY ACTUALLY END UP BEING OUR ONLY DISCUSSION ITEM. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.

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AND COMMENTING IN A WEEK. COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC WILL SUMMARIZE IT AND SEND ME SOME CLIFFSNOTES.

YES, YES I WILL. SORRY. MY AGENDA GOT BURIED UNDER THE PILE OF ORDINANCES AND STUFF.

OKAY, REFERRALS TO STAFF, COUNCIL MEMBER WALLER.

[Q. MAYOR AND COUNCIL REFERRALS TO STAFF]

BRING BACK THE SOCIAL HOST ORDINANCE. DISCUSSION ON SOCIAL HOST.

IT IS A SOCIAL HOST ORDINANCE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND PASSED AND VETOED SIX YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE.

DESCRIBE WHAT THE SOCIAL HOSTS. OKAY. I WASN'T SURE HOW.

I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE ANYTHING, BUT. SO A SOCIAL HOST ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED LAST TIME WHICH WAS PROPOSED BY THEN CAPTAIN HOFFMAN. BASICALLY, WHEN A PARENT HAS A PARTY AT THEIR HOUSE AND THEY HAVE TEENAGERS AND THERE IS ALCOHOL PRESENT THAT THE PARENT IS EITHER PROVIDING OR KNOWINGLY ALLOWING TO BE PRESENT, THAT THERE BE SPECIAL PENALTIES, PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE, IT WAS A CRIMINAL VIOLATION.

THAT WAS WHAT WAS SUGGESTED BY OUR POLICE FORCE.

THAT WOULD BE. OKAY. ALL FOR? AYE. OKAY. I'M AN AYE.

I WOULD JUST BEFORE WE. DISCUSS IT. THIS IS A VERY MEATY TOPIC.

SO THIS NEEDS TO BE PACED WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER HIGH PRIORITY DISCUSSIONS.

AND I WILL SAY IT WAS CONTROVERSIAL AT THE TIME.

IT WAS ULTIMATELY, IT ULTIMATELY DID NOT PASS.

YEAH. IT WAS VETOED. THERE WERE TWO CLEAR VOTES.

THERE WERE THERE WAS NOT FOUR VOTES TO OVERRIDE THE VETO. SO IT WAS EFFECTIVELY A 3-3 OUTCOME.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PREPARED THE ITEM IN RESPONSE TO A REFERRAL OVER WAYS TO PERHAPS TIGHTEN UP RULES ASSOCIATED WITH ENFORCEMENT OF PARTIES THAT HAD BEEN HOSTED. IT WENT TO DISCUSS ADMINISTRATIVE PENALTIES, POTENTIALLY FOR THOSE WHO HOST, ETC..

SO IT'S A IT'S A BIG, WEIGHTY TOPIC. AND IF YOU HAVE TEENAGERS, IT'LL DEFINITELY IT'S SOMETHING YOU GOT TO THINK VERY HARD ABOUT.

YEAH. AND SO ON. THAT AS WELL AS PACING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A PACE.

IS THERE SOME INTERIM THING WHERE YOU COULD COME BACK AND MAYBE PROVIDE LIKE A HIGH LEVEL WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE FULL? YEAH. I THINK REALISTICALLY, WHAT I'D HAVE TO TELL YOU IS WE DON'T TAKE THIS UP UNTIL PROBABLY EARLY 26.

I MEAN, IT'S FINE. IT'S A STRATEGIC PLANNING ITEM.

IT'S INITIALLY JUST GOING TO BE AN INTRODUCTION TOO. IT IS IT'S A SUBJECT INTRODUCTION. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT MORE SUBSTANTIVELY, AND THEN PROVIDE DIRECTION ON A, ON A PREPARED ORDINANCE THAT THE ITEM WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE THE DRAFT OF THE LAST DOCUMENT.

WE WOULD RESURRECT THAT SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE INITIAL PREPARATION.

BUT IT'S I MEAN, LOOK, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY IMPORTANT ORDINANCE WORK AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER WALLER AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

YEAH. THAT WE NEED TO GET THROUGH, INCLUDING GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND OTHER ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH ARTESIA BOULEVARD.

ETC. SO IT'S CLEARLY FOLLOWING THAT. OKAY. WHY DON'T I JUST.

WHEN DID IT COME UP WITH THE COUNCIL BEFORE. OH YEAH.

SO I IT WAS. YEARS. I BELIEVE SO. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.

I KNOW TOD, NILS AND BILL WERE ALL ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME.

I BELIEVE. CHRISTIAN. LAURA. AND THEN JOHN GRAHAM.

MAYBE THAT WAS THAT COUNCIL. I THINK COUNCIL? YEAH, AND BILL VETOED IT. YEAH. YES. PASSED FOUR.

NOTHING ON IT. I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE IT ON SECOND READING.

JUST A QUESTION. WHEN IT DOES COME BACK TO US, COULD WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF THESE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS OR HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM THIS ACTUALLY IS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T WANT TO LEGISLATE SOMETHING. YEAH. WE'LL TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON THE ISSUE.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT FOR ME. HOUSE PARTY. NOTHING FOR ME.

THIS ONE. COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC NONE. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI ALREADY SENT A REFERRAL TO COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT FOR THURSDAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER BEHRENDT AND NO REFERRALS. AND MIKE.

ME EITHER. SO. LET'S SEE. SO WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURNMENT TONIGHT.

WE'LL BE ADJOURNING IN MEMORY OF ROBERT WINJE.

THAT IS THE FATHER OF PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, ANDY WINJE.

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STAAL. SO MIKE, DO YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS ON ROBERT WINJE? JUST IN WITH THIS REFERRAL? REALLY JUST KIND OF A THOUGHTS OF ANDY AND HIS FAMILY.

I MEAN, HE'S BEEN KIND OF DEALING WITH HIS FATHER'S CONDITION FOR A LITTLE WHILE, AND HE DID PASS HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO I THINK THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF OF THE ADJOURNMENT THIS EVENING.

JUST THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS WITH THE WITH THE WINJE CREW.

OKAY, THANKS. AND LIEUTENANT STAAL. CHIEF, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ON HIM, OR WAS HE BEFORE YOUR TIME OR.

SURE. YEAH, HE WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET HIM MANY TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER.

SO I'VE BEEN WITH REDONDO NOW FOR ABOUT 31.5 YEARS, AND HE RETIRED 12 YEARS BEFORE I STARTED.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A STRESSFUL JOB, AND WE ALWAYS WISH PEOPLE WELL IN RETIREMENT AND HOPE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY ENJOY THEIR RETIREMENT IN A MUCH LESS STRESSFUL SETTING.

AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS ABLE TO DO HIS FULL CAREER AND THEN LIVE TO 95 YEARS OLD IS QUITE THE ACHIEVEMENT.

IN REDONDO BEACH. IN REDONDO BEACH, AND WE'VE INTERACTED WITH HIM MULTIPLE TIMES OVER VARIOUS PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THE KNOWLEDGE BASE AND THE HISTORY THAT HE HAS ABOUT REDONDO BEACH PD THAT WE HAD TO CAPTURE BEFORE IT WAS LOST.

SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE. I USED TO SEE HIM AT THE GYM MANY YEARS AGO WORKING OUT, AND HE WAS STAYING HEALTHY, AND I WAS HONORED TO BE ABLE TO CHAT WITH HIM BRIEFLY.

AND MOST RECENTLY, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TO A COUPLE OF EVENTS WITH HIS GRANDDAUGHTER WHO WERE FRIENDS WITH, WHICH IS MAKES MAKES IT REALLY COOL. SO I'M HONORED THAT I'M ABLE TO WORK FOR THE SAME DEPARTMENT THAT HE DID.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ADJOURNING THE MEETING AND HIS HONOR TONIGHT. AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE ADJOURNING IN HONOR OF. TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE IN THAT TENURE OF POST RETIREMENT LIFE EXPECTANCY AT 95.

I MEAN, THERE WAS A TIME IN, IN HIS ERA WHERE THE AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY POST RETIREMENT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2 AND 5 YEARS FOR PUBLIC, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL. SO FOR HIM TO LIVE UNTIL 95, GIVEN THE TIME OF HIS TENURE WITH THE ORGANIZATION, WAS PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, HE WAS FEATURED IN THE VIDEO.

I WAS GOING TO COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC, I THINK YOU WORKED WITH HIM AND WERE AND I BOTH HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING INVITED TO HIS HOME.

HE WAS HELPING TO ADVOCATE FOR MEASURE FP. HE LET US INTERVIEW HIM, ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS, HE SAID HE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL POLICE STATION.

THAT WAS THE POLICE AND FIRE STATION. HE MOVED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INTO THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE.

HE'S AN EXCEPTIONAL MAN. I HAD THE ABSOLUTE PLEASURE OF MEETING HIM AND HIS WIFE, EILEEN.

I REMEMBER HE CAME DOWN HERE TO DO ANOTHER VIDEO AND HE DROVE DOWN, 95, DROVE DOWN IN HIS BEAUTIFUL CLASSIC CAR WITH HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS REDONDO HAT AND JUST INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE MAN.

AND REALLY HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF GETTING TO KNOW HIM AND HIS WIFE.

SO. AND I WANT TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR FOR SANTA'S SLEIGH.

MADE A SPECIAL TRIP DOWN HIS STREET, STOPPED IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, AND SANTA CAME TO VISIT HIM IN HIS HOME.

SUPER SPECIAL AND UNFORTUNATELY, WAS HIS LAST CHRISTMAS.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI, COUNCIL MEMBER KALUDEROVIC SAID, AND ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL THINGS THAT HE SAID DURING THE MEASURE FP VIDEOS WAS WHEN HE RETIRED BACK IN THE 1970S, THEY HAD ALREADY GROWN THE POLICE STATION THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN YEAR 2025.

SO, YEAH. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN IN MEMORY OF ROBERT WINJE AND RETIRED LIEUTENANT EDWARD G. STAAL. SO MOVED. SECOND.

ALL FOR. AYE. OKAY. GOOD MEETING GUYS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.