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THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2025.
[A. CALL TO ORDER]
FIRST I GUESS WE DO A ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER LIGHT.PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CONROY.
HERE. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. HERE. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG.
PRESENT. EVERYONE IS HERE AND ACCOUNTED FOR. LET'S START OFF WITH A SALUTE TO THE FLAG.
MR. CONROY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG? ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER CONROY. SORRY. READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND NEXT WE ALL HAVE A PACKET OF BLUE FOLDER ITEMS THAT WAS PRINTED OUT AND HANDED TO US.
[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]
SO MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE, AYE. SHALL BE RECEIVED.LET'S SEE. NEXT WE HAVE OUR CONSENT CALENDAR.
[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]
THESE ARE BUSINESS ITEMS EXCEPT THOSE FORMALLY NOTICED FOR PUBLIC HEARING OR THOSE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION AS ARE ASSIGNED TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE TAKEN UP UNDER THE CONSENT CALENDAR SECTION BELOW.
THOSE ITEMS REMAINING ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION.
THE CHAIR WILL CALL ON ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PULLED BY THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE ON COMMENTS, AND COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF THREE MINUTES.
CAN WE? I GUESS, APPROVE THAT? WELL, FIRST THING, IT'S APPROVED.
ANY COMMENTS? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FROM ANY OF THE MEMBERS? HEARING NONE. AND THE PUBLIC? ANYTHING WITH PUBLIC.
WANT TO SPEAK ON ON OUR CONSENT CALENDAR? THERE ARE NO EATTENDEES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
VERY GOOD. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NOW, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE AGENDA ON THIS AGENDA FOR ACTION.
EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE.
WRITTEN REQUESTS, IF ANY, WILL BE CONSIDERED FIRST UNDER THIS SECTION.
ARE THERE ANY NON-AGENDA SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
SEE ANY? NO CARDS? NO ONE ONLINE? NO ONE ONLINE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
VERY GOOD. SO NEXT IS RECEIVE OF ALL COMMENTS.
[I. EX PARTE COMMUNICATION]
FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS. I GUESS WE COULD START WITH COMMISSIONER LIGHT.NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. I'VE SPOKEN TO NO ONE.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG. NOTHING TO REPORT. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
I SPOKE WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. COMMISSIONER CONROY.
I SPOKE WITH CHAIR CRAIG. AND COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.
I SPOKE WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WITH CHAIR CRAIG, AND WITH COUNCILPERSON ZEIN OBAGI.
VERY GOOD. I SPOKE WITH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE AND COMMISSIONER CONROY.
[J. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
CHAPTER FIVE, COASTAL LAND USE PLAN, IMPLEMENTING ORDINANCE OF THE REDONDO BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE, RBMC, PERTAINING TO REGULATIONS REGARDING GROUND FLOOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES OFFICES, USES WITHIN THE C-2-PD RIV ZONE.SO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION I BELIEVE. THANK YOU CHAIR.
BUT IT'S HIS FIRST TIME PRESENTING TO THIS BODY AND WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO SEAN O'ROURKE.
THANKS, SEAN. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PERTAINING TO REGULATIONS FOR GROUND FLOOR,
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STREET FACING PROFESSIONAL OFFICES WITHIN THE C-2-PD RIV ZONE.I WAS GOING TO SAY YOUR MIC LIGHT WASN'T ON, BUT NOW IT IS.
SEAN DIDN'T TEACH YOU THAT? IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S GOOD.
THE C-2-PD RIV ZONE IS SHOWN IN PINK ON THE MAP ON THIS SLIDE.
IT CONSISTS OF MOST OF SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE WITHIN RIVIERA VILLAGE, BETWEEN AVENUE I TO THE NORTH AND PALOS VERDES BOULEVARD TO THE SOUTH, AS WELL AS SMALL SECTIONS OF VISTA DEL MAR AND VILLA EL PRADO IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE.
THE GENERAL PLAN STATES THAT THE FUNCTION AND PERMITTED USES IN THIS AREA SHOULD PROVIDE FOR, QUOTE, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CATALINA AVENUE FRONTAGE AS THE PRIMARY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AND SCALED CORE OF THE VILLAGE, CONTAINING COMMERCIAL, RESTAURANT, AND RELATED USES AND DEVELOPMENT.
END QUOTE. THE EXISTING CONDITIONS LARGELY REFLECT THIS, AS SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE IS LARGELY POPULATED WITH RESTAURANTS, RETAIL SHOPS, AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY PERMITS OFFICES WITHIN THE C-2-PD RIV ZONE TO LOCATE ONLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR ABOVE, OR ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO THE REAR OF OTHER PERMITTED RETAIL OR SERVICE USES, PROVIDED THAT THE PEDESTRIAN CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR IS NOT DISRUPTED.
NOW, DESPITE THIS EXISTING REGULATION, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED TO LOCATE WITHIN THESE SPACES IN THE C-2-PD RIV IF THEY HAVE INCLUDED AN ANCILLARY OR A SECONDARY PERMITTED USE, SUCH AS A NOTARY SERVICE.
THIS HAS RESULTED IN A NUMBER OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES IN SPACES THAT MAY OTHERWISE BE OCCUPIED BY COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONE'S PURPOSE, AS DESCRIBED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE ALLOWANCE OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICES LOCATING IN THIS ZONE WAS PERMITTED BY A PRIOR DIRECTOR, AND HAS SINCE NOT BEEN SUPPORTED. I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT OFFICES ARE PERMITTED TO LOCATE WITHIN GROUND FLOOR, STREET FACING LOCATIONS IN OTHER ZONES WITHIN RIVIERA VILLAGE CURRENT OFFICES WITHIN THE C-2-PD RIV, ARE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USES THAT MAY CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS THEY DO TODAY.
THIS CLARIFIES THAT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES SUCH AS REAL ESTATE.
EXCUSE ME, REAL ESTATE, LEGAL OR INSURANCE OFFICES, CANNOT LOCATE IN GROUND FLOOR STREET FACING LOCATIONS AS EITHER A PRIMARY OR AN ANCILLARY USE. I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE HIGHLIGHTED AND UNDERLINED PHRASE WITHIN THE RIVIERA VILLAGE OVERLAY ZONE, RIV THIS WAS ADDED SO AS TO SPECIFY THAT THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT ONLY APPLIES TO THE C-2-PD RIV ZONE WITHIN RIVIERA VILLAGE. THE PLANNING DIVISION PUBLICLY NOTICED THIS HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL CODE, BY PUBLISHING IN THE EASY READER, MAILING NOTICES TO OWNERS OF PROPERTIES WITHIN 300FT OF THE AFFECTED AREA, AND BY POSTING NOTICES OF THIS HEARING WITHIN THE AREA.
EACH INDIVIDUAL WAS RESPONDED TO BY PLANNING DIVISION STAFF.
THIS MORNING, THE PLANNING DIVISION WAS FORWARDED A LETTER SENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT STATED CONCERN WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AND THAT LETTER IS INCLUDED AS A BLUE FOLDER ITEM.
OUTSIDE OF THAT LETTER, AND AS IS NOTED IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT, NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED THAT RESPONDED TO THE INTENT, THE SUBSTANCE, OR THE GEOGRAPHIC APPLICABILITY OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
PARDON ME. OH, AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE EMAILS THAT WERE RECEIVED BY THE PLANNING DIVISION EXCUSE ME, ARE ATTACHED TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. FINALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO AMEND TITLE TEN, CHAPTER FIVE OF THE REDONDO BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE PERTAINING TO THE REGULATION OF GROUND FLOOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES WITHIN THE C-2-PD RIV ZONE.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS.
ONE QUESTION. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE TWO LETTERS IN OUR BLUE FOLDER.
YEAH, THERE'S TWO LETTERS. YES. THERE'S A SECOND.
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THERE WAS A SECOND LETTER THAT WAS RECEIVED AFTER I HAD PREPARED THE FINAL MATERIALS AT OUR 3 P.M.CUTOFF. I GOT IT. YEAH, IT CAME IN THIS AFTERNOON.
THEY'RE BOTH AGAINST IT. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.
I HAD A QUESTION TO START OFF WITH. WAS THERE SOME KIND OF TRIGGERING INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED ON THIS? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING AND PRIMARILY REAL ESTATE OFFICES THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING. IS THERE SOME CRITICAL PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED? THE REASON WHY THIS BROUGHT UP, I UNDERSTAND IT WAS NOT EXACTLY PER WHAT THE CODE WAS WRITTEN, BUT STAFF AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST HAD SAID THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING A NOTARY SERVICE.
THEY ARE, REAL ESTATE ITSELF IS CLASSIFIED AS A SERVICE INDUSTRY.
NOT UNLIKE A LOT OF THE OTHER RETAIL PLACES IN THE RIVIERA VILLAGE.
SO WAS THERE SOME INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED THAT THAT PRECIPITATED THIS NEED TO MAKE THIS CHANGE NOW? THERE'S NOT A SINGLE INCIDENT OR GROUP OF INCIDENTS THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT SEAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY.
THIS IT CAME UP WITH THE PRIOR COUNCIL AS AN ISSUE OF CONCERN.
IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD IN TRANSITION WITH THE NEW COUNCIL.
THEY DETERMINED THEY STILL WANTED TO INVOKE THIS NEW REGULATION.
THE CONCERN BEING THE PRIMARY USES PREFERRED USES IN THE VILLAGE, ESPECIALLY ON CATALINA BEING THE CORE OF THAT PEDESTRIAN AREA, PRESERVING THOSE OR OR MAKING THOSE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE PRIMARY PREFERRED USES.
SO THE INTENTION WAS TO MAKE SURE NO MORE GOING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CLARIFICATION IS ALL ABOUT.
SO IT'S I THINK NOTHING SPECIFIC OTHER THAN AN OFFICE.
AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THE SAME REGULATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
YEAH. BECAUSE I WANT TO FOLLOW UP BECAUSE I WENT BACK I LOOKED AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
IT WAS JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, I THINK JANUARY 21ST.
I WENT AND WATCHED THE MEETING AND THIS WAS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THE SMOKE SHOP ORDINANCE THAT WE AS A COMMISSION THAT WORKED ON A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. WE DID A LOT OF CHANGES ON THAT.
SO THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS TOPIC FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES.
SO IT WAS THE SMOKE SHOPS AND THEN AS A SMALLER PORTION WITH THE RIVIERA VILLAGE.
AND WHEN THERE WAS REALLY NO DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL, ONE, ONE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, WELL, I REALLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT I'LL DEFER TO YOU. AND THAT SEEMED TO BE THE EXTENT OF IT.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS UNUSUAL THAT IT CAME BACK NOW.
BUT LIKE, I DROVE BY MY BANK'S OVER THERE. I JUST DROVE AROUND.
THERE'S LIKE, 3 OR 4 EMPTY SPACES THERE NOW, AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF REAL ESTATE OFFICES CLAMORING TO OPEN UP THEIR DOORS THERE, SO IT DIDN'T REALLY. THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHAT THE URGENCY OF THIS WAS.
I GO THERE A LOT. SO I DON'T. AND I TALKED TO SOME OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS THERE.
NO, IT'S MORE JUST BEING VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE PREFERRED USES.
AND HAVING ONLY THOSE USES ALONG THAT VERY, THE CORE OF THE VILLAGE.
AND WE WANT TO BE CLEAR AND EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT.
THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD.
THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO REVISIT IT AFTER YOUR MEETING.
SO THEY MIGHT CHEW INTO IT A LITTLE MORE. AND YOU KNOW, DECIDE SOMETHING ELSE.
WE DON'T KNOW YET. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? JUST A REALLY QUICK QUESTION.
HOW MANY OF THESE OFFICES ARE THERE CURRENTLY IN THAT THOSE BUILDINGS? SO WE DID A SITE VISIT IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR AND IDENTIFIED FOUR OF THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES.
SO THERE ARE GOVERNMENT, PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL OFFICES.
AND JUST COUNTING THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, THERE WERE FOUR THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.
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OKAY. AND THEN HOW MANY ARE THERE TOTAL? DID YOU.THAT ARE THAT COLOR? I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WAS BETWEEN 12 AND 15, BUT I WOULD NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
12 OR 15 OTHER NON RETAIL TYPE BUSINESSES, YOU MEAN? SO THAT WAS SO I PERSONALLY DID THE SITE VISIT AND IT WAS IDENTIFYING ALL OFFICES WITHIN THE C-2-PD DISTRICT.
SO THAT CAUGHT SOME OF THE EXISTING MEDICAL OFFICES THAT ARE ALSO ON CATALINA.
OFFICES IS A WORD USED TO SAY, NOT RETAIL. WELL, OFFICE I WOULD.
YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY OFFICE IS ITS OWN PARTICULAR USE AND RESTAURANT WOULD ALSO BE.
AND RETAIL STORE IS NOT AN OFFICE? THAT'S CORRECT.
I WOULD SAY A RETAIL STORE COULD HAVE AN OFFICE.
WHAT IS IT EXACTLY THAT YOU ONLY WANT IN RIVIERA VILLAGE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS CLEAR WHAT YOU DON'T WANT ON THE GROUND FLOOR ARE OFFICE OFFICE TYPE BUSINESSES, AS OPPOSED TO BUSINESSES THAT SELL STUFF. IS THAT HOW THE DIVIDING LINE GOES? THAT, I WOULD SAY, IS A GOOD CLASSIFICATION FOR WHAT THE MUNICIPAL CODE HAS SELLING PRODUCTS VERSUS SERVICES.
WELL, I WOULD SAY ALSO PROVIDING YOU KNOW, LIKE RESTAURANTS AND CAFES WOULD ALSO COME INTO THAT.
SURE I AGREE. FOOD BOOZE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER.
SO THERE ARE GRANDFATHERED IN ESSENTIALLY. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, AS OF NOW? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD CROSSED OUR MIND AND THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED INTERNALLY ESPECIALLY IN LIEU OF THE OR I SHOULD SAY, AFTER THE SMOKE SHOP ORDINANCE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE CITY, THERE IS NO SUNSET CLAUSE OR THERE IS NO COERCION TOWARDS THESE THESE OFFICES BEING CLOSED OR BEING FORCED TO RELOCATE.
THERE'S KEEPING ANYTHING NEW FROM COMING IN. EXACTLY.
ALL RIGHT. AND THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS THAT ONE OF THE LETTER POINTS OUT THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ARE DIFFERENT THAN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, WHICH I DO SEE THAT DIFFERENCE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, YOU'RE OFFERING SOMETHING, AND I COULD SEE A POINT BEING MADE THAT THERE ARE SOME PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE IDEA OF A WALKING STREET.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WELL BIKE RENTAL? YEAH. I'M PALM READING COMES TO MIND, BUT AS A PSYCHOLOGIST, COUNSELING YEAH, TRAINING, PERSONAL TRAINING.
I COULD SEE OTHER KINDS OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
THAT MIGHT BE A CASE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WOULD COME TO THE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED JUST LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS, WHICH I SEE THE POINT OF NO OFFICE BUILDINGS.
PEOPLE THAT GO IN THERE TO WORK THERE ALL DAY REALLY HELP.
YEAH. AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE OTHER SERVICE ORIENTED BUSINESSES ALONG THERE THAT ARE PERMITTED.
THEY FALL INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. THEY'RE PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE DON'T PUT THEM IN THE OFFICE BUCKET. SO THAT'S OKAY.
SO THOSE SERVICE USERS ARE ALLOWED THERE AS WELL.
SO IT SEEMS REALLY THE REALTOR ONES THAT ARE THE PROBLEMATIC ONES, BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND DECIDE TO BUY A HOUSE THINKING. YEAH. SORRY, WAYNE, I MEAN, WELL, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IT, BUT. IT'S REALLY THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE CATEGORY.
OR YOU MIGHT BE THERE BUYING A HOUSE, AND THEN YOU GO GET LUNCH [LAUGHTER] OR BOTH OR ACTUALLY BOTH, BUT GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. A FEW POINTS I JUST WANTED TO SHARE.
I AGREE WITH THE GOAL OF KEEPING RIVIERA VILLAGE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FROM THIS VIS A VIS RESTRICTING GROUND FLOOR OFFICE USE MAY HAVE MAY CREATE UNINTENTIONALLY, OR MAY UNINTENTIONALLY CREATE ADDITIONAL VACANCIES.
AND THEY'RE NOT, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED WITHIN THIS ZONE WITHOUT RESTRICTION, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
I LIKE THE OPEN LATE REAL ESTATE OFFICES. THOSE ARE GREAT.
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RIGHT. POINT BEING, THE SHOPS CLOSE, THE RESTAURANTS STAY OPEN LATER TYPICALLY.YEAH THAT SUPPORT NEARBY RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS.
OKAY. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. OKAY. CAN WE GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS? CAN WE START WITH WHEN THE ORIGINAL SORT OF ZONING WITH THE PREFERRED USES BEING RETAIL STORES AND RESTAURANTS. WHEN DID THAT OCCUR? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GENERAL PLAN POLICY THAT REALLY SPECIFIES THE PREFERRED USES THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING.
OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE 1992. EARLY 90S, YEAH.
YEAH. SO 1992. SPEAKING AS A GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER THE YEAH, THAT PLAN WAS WAS PRE 1992, 1992 WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WERE PRESENTED A CODIFIED COPY OF THE PLAN, BUT IT MAY GO BACK MUCH FURTHER. AND JUST TAKING A STROLL DOWN CATALINA, ONE SEES THAT THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS, THE STRUCTURES GO BACK A LOT FURTHER THAN 1992. SO THE PLAN WAS CREATED, APPROVED BY IT WAS CREATED BY A GPAC, A GENERAL PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, PRIOR TO 1992, SOMETIME IN THE LATE 80S.
THEN IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN 1992.
RIGHT? OKAY. THE PREFERENCE, THE RESTRICTION THAT CATALINA BOULEVARD. CATALINA AVENUE. CATALINA AVENUE WOULD BETWEEN PALO VERDES AND AVENUE I, I BELIEVE IT IS. RIGHT? WOULD BE EITHER RETAIL STORES OR RESTAURANTS THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANTED IT TO BE.
SORT OF LIKE A FOOD COURT. THINK OF A MALL WITH A FOOD COURT IN IT.
YOU CAN PUT A REAL ESTATE OFFICE IN A FOOD COURT, PERHAPS, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO TO THE USE OF THAT JUST PARTICULAR PLACE. RIGHT? I MEAN, 82 WERE THERE. 92. 92 WERE THERE 25% OF THE OFFICES OR THE THAT ZONING, REAL ESTATE OR OFFICES? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK SOMETHING HAPPENED AND WE CAN TRACE THAT BACK, BECAUSE IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO WHEN THIS EXCEPTION WAS CREATED.
AND WHO CREATED IT AND FOR WHOM WAS THE EXCEPTION WHERE THEY SAID, HERE'S THE EXCEPTION.
LOOK BACK AT THE DOCUMENT. THE EXCEPTION IS IF YOU HAVE SPECIFICALLY AND IT NAMES IT IN THE EXCEPTION A WHAT IS IT CALLED AGAIN? NOTARY PUBLIC. NOTARY.
THEN YOU CAN PUT THIS USAGE IN THERE AS LONG AS THERE'S A NOTARY THERE.
SO THE NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU, UNDER CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES, IF I WALK IN WITH A, YOU KNOW, AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT BUILDS PIPE, THAT DESIGNS PIPES THAT GO INTO OIL REFINERIES, BUT WE ALSO HIRE A NOTARY PUBLIC, WHO'S DOING SOME NOTARY WORK, YOU KNOW, AT THE DESK, YOU KNOW, DOING ADMIN STUFF. SOMEBODY WANTS SOMETHING NOTARIZED.
IS THAT THE CASE? THAT'S NOT THE CURRENT INTERPRETATION.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. LET'S PULL UP THE EXISTING ORDINANCE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
OKAY. YEAH. DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT? WHICH SECTION EXACTLY? IT WOULD BE JUST A, YOU COULD GO TO THE SLIDE WITH THE ORDINANCE.
SURE. AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S NOT UNDERLINED AND HIGHLIGHT THIS HERE.
YEAH. OBVIOUSLY THE SECOND FLOOR OR ABOVE OR ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO THE REAR.
YEAH. USES PROVIDED THAT. THE PEDESTRIAN CHARACTER.
YEAH. YEAH. THAT IT'S I MEAN IT'S PROBLEMATIC IN THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO BE VERY SPECIFIC WITH THIS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.
RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WAS LOBBYING FOR JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
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SO WE REALLY HAD TO LOOK CLOSELY AT WAS IT. AND IT'S.YEAH. WHERE DOES IT SAY NO ARCHITECTS WHO ARE DOING PLUMBING FOR.
OH, WELL, IT SAYS IT THERE IN THE FIRST LINE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN OFFICE USE.
OKAY. SO THEY'D HAVE TO GO. WE WOULD SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO GO ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR ABOVE, UNLESS THERE IS UP TO THE REAR OF A REALLY WHAT THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT NOW IS A LEGITIMATE RETAIL OR SERVICE USE THAT'S NOT JUST ANCILLARY TO YOUR BUSINESS, BUT THAT'S SEPARATE FROM YOUR BUSINESS AND THEN YOU'RE BEHIND IT.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STOREFRONT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, BUT THE STOREFRONT PRESENTLY CAN BE IT'S ALLOWED FOR THAT TO BE A REAL ESTATE OFFICE.
AND IS IT DEFINED AS RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE OR CAN IT BE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE? THAT WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THEY DO BOTH.
THEY DO BOTH. THEY'RE BOTH BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I GUESS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPECIFY THAT IT'S ONLY RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL STORES, THAT WE WANT IN THERE FROM NOW ON.
NO MORE NEW ANY OFFICES, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? CORRECT. SO I THINK THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO STRENGTHEN IT.
WELL AND RIGHT NOW THE EXCEPTION IS IF THEY HAVE NOTARY PUBLIC SERVICES, RIGHT? THAT'S HOW THEY GET IN. IS THAT TRUE SEAN? WELL IT'S WHAT IT READS NOW, SOME PERMITTED RETAIL OR SERVICE BUSINESS COULD LOCATE ON THE FRONT WITH, LET'S SAY THE ARCHITECT'S OFFICE TO THE REAR.
THAT USED TO BE IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD ALLOW.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE FRONT. AND THEN THE ARCHITECTS OFFICE COULD GO.
I'M NOT, AGAIN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BACK OF THE OFFICE.
I'M VERY FOCUSED ON WHAT YOUR INTENT IS. SURE.
AND THAT IS TO TURN THE STREET STOREFRONT BACK INTO THAT, THAT THE ONLY NEW THINGS ALLOWED IN THERE ARE GOING TO BE EITHER RETAIL STORES OR RESTAURANTS, RIGHT? AM I CORRECT? YEAH.
BUT BY THIS DESCRIPTION, AN ACCOUNTING SERVICE OFFICE WOULD BE ALLOWED, WOULDN'T IT? THE DO YOU MEAN AS AMENDED, AS WRITTEN. AS WRITTEN BEFORE THE UNDERLINED AMENDMENTS? PERMITTED RETAIL OR SERVICE USES. RIGHT. ACCOUNTING SERVICE.
IS A SERVICE, RIGHT? OH, NO. WE WOULD SAY ACCOUNTING WOULD BE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
OKAY. YEAH. WHERE IS THE DISTINCTION? THIS IS REALLY FUZZY.
WE CAN FILE THAT. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT WE CAN PULL UP THE DEFINITION.
CAN WE? WE CERTAINLY COULD. I MEAN, IT'S A SERVICE.
THE NAILS ARE PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICE BY DEFINITION.
SO NAIL SALONS IS PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT. OKAY.
BY DEFINITION, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS ACCOUNTING.
YOU KNOW, THEIR PERSONAL TAXES ARE PERSONAL TAXES.
BUT IT'S STILL WE STILL LOOK AT THAT AS BUSINESS OFFICE.
THEY CLOSE THE DOOR BEHIND THEM, AND THEY'RE JUST IN THERE WORKING ALL DAY, AND THEN THEY LEAVE AND GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY. RIGHT. NOBODY'S INTERESTED IN HAVING MORE OF THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE IN A SERVICE INDUSTRY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT SERVICE IS.
IT SAYS HERE SERVICE USES. ARE YOU TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP? RIGHT. THOSE ARE THOSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO SERVICE USES ARE PERMITTED AT THE FRONT.
WE MIGHT BE SUGGESTING IT STRENGTHENED FURTHER AND DEFINED MORE CLOSELY.
THEN WE'LL BE. WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE SOME DIRECTION AS A CONSENSUS OF THIS COMMISSION, AND OFFER THAT UP TO THE COUNCIL, WHEN WE BRING IT TO THEM.
IN FAVOR OF RESTRICTING ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES BUT ALLOWING SALES SERVICE BUSINESSES.
WE DO ALLOW SALES. WE DO ALLOW SERVICES. AND AGAIN, AS DEFINED, OUR PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICES. SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT. OKAY. IS IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
DOES IT SAY PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICES. BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE.
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WELL, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ARE MUCH MORE BROAD THAN JUST.WELL, IT'S PROFESSIONAL OFFICE VERSUS SERVICE USES.
SO SERVICES ARE SERVICES. IT'S. YEAH. WE CAN CERTAINLY IT SEEMS THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT TAXED. THEY'RE NOT GIVING A PRODUCT.
YOU'RE GIVING A SERVICE. SO IT SEEMS UNFAIR. THIS IS TOO VAGUE.
RIGHT. THAT AREA. RIGHT. OH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T SERVE THE OVERALL GOAL.
YEAH. NO THEY WOULDN'T WE WOULD CATEGORIZE THEM AS A, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR'S YARD OR AS AN OFFICE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IF THEY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, BRICK AND MORTAR LOCATION. RIGHT? MR. SO IF THEY WERE TO HAVE A RETAIL ELEMENT.
RIGHT? WE DON'T LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, WITH EVEN THE AACAPS COMING UP, RIGHT AS SOON AS THIS SETTLED, YOU GUYS, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ENVISION WHAT IS THAT PART OF THAT STREET ABOUT? IT'S ABOUT WALKING. IT'S ABOUT GETTING ON YOUR BIKE.
IT'S ABOUT AS A FAMILY GOING DOWN THERE SHOPPING, GOING TO RESTAURANTS.
I KNOW MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT'S WHAT WE DO DOWN THERE.
OKAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH REAL ESTATE, IT'S USUALLY IN THE BACK SIDE CLOSER TO TRADER JOE'S.
YOU'VE GOT SOME OFFICES THERE THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GET STUFF DONE.
SO I SEE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. WE CAN CLEAN UP THAT LANGUAGE.
RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I WAS ALSO REFERRING I WAS ALSO INCLUDING MEDICAL OFFICE, WHICH I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT.
IT'S NOT JUST STRICTLY THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ON CATALINA AVENUE? NO, OFFICES. NO BUILDINGS. NO, THERE WERE FOUR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ON SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE.
BUILDINGS TOTAL. I ASKED HIM, HOW MANY ARE THERE THAT ARE ZONED THAT 12 TO 15.
BUT. AND ALL THOSE ARE ON CATALINA AVENUE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I BELIEVE SO, YES. HE'S INCLUDING MEDICAL TOO.
YES. WHICH IS 12 TO 15. INCLUDES MEDICAL OFFICES.
ALL OF THOSE ARE ON THE GROUND FLOOR FACING THE STREET.
THAT'S CORRECT. 12 TO 12? 12 TO 15, INCLUDING.
TOTALING. YES. IF YOU OPEN UP THE MAP AGAIN, WE CAN COUNT THEM.
NO, NO, I'M JUST. POINT IF THERE'S FOUR. AND MAKE YOUR NUMBER.
MAKE IT 20. THAT'S STILL A LOT BEING OFFICES.
THE MAP IN THE OVERLAY. CAN YOU PULL UP THE ZONING OVERLAY MAP? CAN YOU PULL THAT UP SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT JUST THE COLORFUL.
ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THIS ONE HERE, IT'S THE PINK.
IS THAT SO? I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT THERE'S A CLUSTER OF THE MEDICAL OFFICES WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO PALOS VERDES BOULEVARD ON THE SOUTH WESTERN SIDE OF THE C-2-PD, WHICH IS A DENTAL OFFICE.
SO THERE ARE THERE IS THAT'S ESSENTIALLY BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CONCENTRATED CAMPUS OF THOSE MEDICAL OFFICES AT THE VERY END.
AND A LOT OF THOSE DON'T FRONT ON CATALINA. YEAH, THEY DON'T.
SO ARE YOU YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THE MEDICAL OFFICES SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
IS THAT WHY? NO. OKAY. IT'S THERE SUBJECT TO IT AS WELL.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MEDICAL OFFICES FRONTING ON CATALINA GOING FORWARD EITHER.
SO YOU ARE RESTRICTING MEDICAL OFFICES. WELL THEY'RE ALREADY RESTRICTED BECAUSE THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A RETAIL OR SERVICE, AN ANCILLARY. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO MEDICAL OFFICES CLOSER TO THE MIDDLE.
I THINK ON THE CORNER RIGHT HERE, THIS IS A YEAH. RIGHT HERE. YEAH. BUT THAT SO HE'S SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO COME AND COMPLETELY CHANGE THAT.
YOU GUYS I'M POINTING TO 1728. 1728. YEAH. THAT ONE FRONTS ON THE OTHER STREET THE VISTA DEL MAR.
EVEN IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S OTHER THINGS
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GENERAL RULE OR AS A GENERAL CATEGORY ARE ALL SUBJECT TO THE FIRST PART OF THIS, THE EXISTING REGULATION AND THEN SPECIFIC TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, WHICH IS TAKING UP THE SPACES THAT ARE FRONTING RIGHT ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN THE HEART OF CATALINA AVENUE.IT'S ABOUT 30% OF IF IT'S 15 ARE OFFICES OF SOME SORT ALREADY THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED TO. YES.
OKAY. DO WE NOT HAVE A RATIO FIGURE ON THIS DAY IN THIS SURVEY.
WE YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT. WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER SEAN.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT 30. TOTAL NUMBER 40.
40 PINK THINGS ON THERE. IN AND THERE'S. IF IT'S 15 SO I CAN EXPAND.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE BEING RESTRICTED FROM BEING.
EXACTLY. IF THERE'S A SECOND FLOOR THERE'S NOT.
TO CHAIR CRAIG'S POINT. THERE'S YOU SAY THERE'S THREE VACANT SPACES CURRENTLY IN THE AREA WHEN I DROVE BY, I MEAN, IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC.
ARE YOU GUYS AWARE OF ANY PROFESSIONAL SERVICE COMPANIES OR MEDICAL COMPANIES THAT ARE TRYING TO LEASE ONE OF THOSE SPACES? NO. NOT AWARE. NO. OKAY, SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE PEOPLE ARE CLAMORING TO MAKE IT TO CHANGE THE WHOLE FEEL OF THE AREA.
YEAH. NO, NO, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN A USE GETS IN THERE, THAT'S NOT A PREFERRED OR HIGHEST AND BEST USE PER THE POLICY OF THE GENERAL PLAN FOR THAT AREA, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO JUST TAKE UP REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PEDESTRIAN CORE THAT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NUMBER THREE ON THE LIST, IF YOU WILL. YEAH. OH, IT'S ALL HERE. AND WHERE IS IN THE RESOLUTION? REDONDO BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE PERMITS OFFICES, INCLUDING GOVERNMENT, PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL OFFICES WITHIN C-2 PD ZONES.
IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION. YOU GUYS, ON PAGE ONE.
IT SAYS THE DEFINITION IS IN THERE. AND I THINK WHAT WE I MEAN, IF PEOPLE IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY JUST WANTS TO CLEAN THE LANGUAGE UP.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. SO LET'S JUST GO TO THAT PART OF IT.
YEAH. YEAH. MAYBE GO BACK TO THE ORDINANCE. SURE.
WHO WANTS THE REAL ESTATE AGENT. SEAN DO YOU WANT ME TO? I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE KIND OF LIKE A STRAW POLL STAND BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING.
YEAH, WELL, I GUESS WE. YEAH. I MEAN, DOES ANYONE HERE NOT WANT TO CLEAN UP? I THINK WE HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS OVER HERE FIRST. OH, YEAH. WE'RE NOT DONE SINCE THE START WHEN YOU SAID I WAS NEXT. WELL, IT WAS GO. GO RIGHT AHEAD, COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
I FORGOT MY QUESTION. OKAY, SO YOU SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THIS PRIOR PRACTICE HASN'T BEEN IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED. HOW LONG HAS IT? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ACTING AS THOUGH THIS WAS ALREADY PASSED.
SEAN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT THAT PREDATES MY TIME. I WOULD SAY IT'S THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. SO IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, YOU HAVE HAVE YOU HAD ANY OF THESE KINDS OF SECOND FLOOR OFFICES TRYING TO GET ONTO THE FIRST FLOOR? THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN 1 OR 2. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A STAMPEDE.
YEAH. IT'S NOT, IT'S MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, LET'S PRESERVE IT WHILE WE CAN.
YES. IT'S A REAL IT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE MEDICAL OFFICES.
IT'S ABOUT ALL WE'VE GOT ANYMORE. THESE COMPANIES CAN COME IN AND AFFORD JUST ABOUT ANY RENT.
SO I THINK INSTEAD OF TARGETING ARCHITECTS AND REAL ESTATE IT'S THE MEDICAL OFFICES THAT ARE THE PRIMARY CULPRITS TO CHANGE THE FLAVOR OF THIS PART OF THE CITY.
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SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE AN EMPHASIS. ABSOLUTELY.NO. AND MAYBE NO MEDICAL OFFICES AT ALL. IF YOU'VE GOT 30% OF RIVIERA VILLAGE IS MEDICAL.
THAT'S KIND OF A LOT. SO BUT THAT SAID HAS ANYBODY ASKED, DID ANYONE POLL THE LANDLORDS, THE LANDOWNERS AS TO WHAT THEIR OPINION ON THIS WOULD BE? WOULD THEY PREFER. WE DID SEND NOTICES TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE DID. AND WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF CALLS AND EMAILS.
THAT ARE IN THE PAPERWORK THAT WE GOT CORRECT.
TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THE OTHER ONE'S A LEASE HOLDER.
EXCUSE ME. SO I WAS ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THEM AND ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE QUESTIONS REALLY RELATED ABOUT HOW THEY WERE HOW THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD AFFECT THEIR LOT IN PARTICULAR. AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO STATE THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY WAS ABOUT A PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THIS AMENDMENT. AND THEY WERE JUST CURIOUS IF THOSE TWO WERE WORKING IN CONCERT, THEY WERE A TENANT ON SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE.
OH, YEAH THE 60. SO THAT'S CORRECT. IN YOUR SURVEY DID ANY OF THE DID YOU GET RESPONSES FROM ANY OF THE RETAIL OR THE VILLAGE TYPE PREFERRED VILLAGE TYPE BUSINESSES? DID YOU GET ANY INPUT FROM THE KIND OF BUSINESSES THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP THERE AND ENCOURAGE MORE TO COME IN? WELL, I WOULDN'T CLASSIFY IT AS A SURVEY. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT WAS THE NOTICING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO FROM THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I SPOKE TO WERE ASSOCIATED WITH RETAIL USES.
I DID HAVE ONE. I BELIEVE HE MAY HAVE BEEN A PROPERTY MANAGER WHO INQUIRED IF THE BARBERSHOP THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THEIR LOT WOULD STILL BE A COMPLIANT USE, BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN A C-4 PD ZONE SO THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
SO WOULD PERSONAL CARE, BARBERSHOPS, BEAUTY SHOPS AND SO WOULD BE ALLOWED, I ASSUME NAIL SHOPS? THEY'D BE PERMITTED. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE VACANCY IN THAT WHOLE AREA IS ONLY THREE SPOTS, SO THERE IS HIGH DEMAND FOR IT OR PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT LEAVING.
PEOPLE ARE NOT. I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE NOT ENDING THEIR LEASES AND MOVING ON.
THE TENANTS ARE STAYING. THE BUSINESSES ARE THRIVING FOR THE MOST PART.
SO YEAH, THERE'S NOT A LOT I MEAN, THINGS ARE THE RESTAURANTS WILL FLIP.
YOU KNOW, BUT A LOT OF THE STORES DOWN THERE ARE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MAYBE DECADES.
OKAY. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, WITH THE GENERAL FALLING DEMAND FOR BRICK AND MORTAR RETAIL VISITS, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU EXPERIENCING ANYTHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE THE GALLERIA SURE IS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
THE ENERGY. THE VILLAGE IS VERY HIGH AND THE TRAFFIC IS HIGH.
SO THE SYNERGY OF THOSE USES IS REALLY. BUT THE EVENTUAL GOAL OF HAVING A WALKING, BIKING RETAIL, SORT OF A WINDOW SHOPPING TYPE OF A DISTRICT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD DO A REAL ESTATE OFFICE SITUATION LIKE YOU DO WITH MASSAGE PARLORS ON ARTESIA.
IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 1000FT OR WHATEVER APART.
SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T EVER REMEMBER GOING TO A REALTOR AND IT NOT BEING A STOREFRONT ON THE GROUND FLOOR WITH REAL ESTATE LISTINGS IN THE WINDOW, AND PEOPLE WALK BY AND THEY SEE THEM.
I MEAN, EVEN ON VACATION IN OTHER COUNTRIES, THAT'S WHERE REAL ESTATE OFFICES ARE.
YEAH. NO. ABSOLUTELY. AND THE REMAINDER OF THE VILLAGE, ALL THE C-3 PD AND THE C-4, PD, THIS PROHIBITION, IF YOU WILL, DOES NOT APPLY. THEY CAN GO RIGHT TO THE STOREFRONT.
SO ALL THE ANCILLARY STREETS THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, DEAD END OR LEAD TO CATALINA.
THIS IS JUST LIMITED TO CATALINA AVENUE. HOW FAR DOES THIS JUST TO TAKE THAT EXAMPLE A LITTLE BIT.
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SO WHAT ABOUT MASSAGE PARLORS THERE? IS THAT PERMITTED? IS GYMS PERMITTED? ARE LIQUOR STORES PERMITTED? SMOKE SHOPS PERMITTED? THERE IS.WE GO BY THE LAND USE TABLE. SO THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF USES THAT ARE PERMITTED.
THIS USE OFFICE IS ALSO PERMITTED. IT'S JUST RESTRICTED.
GUN RANGE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S ON OUR LIST. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SPOT.
RIGHT. YEAH. BUT I THINK THE POINT IS TAKEN THAT.
YOU HAVE TRADER JOE'S, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER LITTLE HUB THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ALL THESE STREETS THAT COME OFF OF IT WHICH HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL BUILDINGS. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, AND WE'VE GOT A FOUR STORY, THREE STORY BUILDING THERE THAT HAS A TON OF STUFF ON THE SECOND RIGHT THERE ACROSS FROM TRADER JOE'S IN THAT PARKING LOT.
IS THERE ANY VACANCY IN THAT BUILDING? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING THAT ARE STILL THEIR PROFESSIONAL BUILDINGS, AND THOSE WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
BEHIND. RIGHT? WELL, NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE. IT'S TWO BLOCKS IS ALL THE PEOPLE THEY CAN.
THERE ARE FOUR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ON THAT STREET. NO, BUT IF THEY WANT TO OPEN UP A REAL ESTATE OFFICE AND THEY DON'T HAVE ONE IN RIVIERA, OKAY, THEY WANT TO OPEN ONE UP, THEY WOULD JUST SIMPLY GO AROUND THE CORNER TO THIS.
THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT TWO BLOCKS. YOU CAN ONLY RENT VACANT SPACE IF THE VACANCY RATE IS THAT LOW.
THAT IS A PART OF TOWN IT'S ONLY FOUR BLOCKS. IF YOU CAN'T GET ONE SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT ON CATALINA BUT THERE'S A REALLY GREAT SPOT ON CATALINA IN YOUR REAL ESTATE OFFICE. SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BE ALLOWED.
NOW, IF YOU'RE A MEDICAL OFFICE, MAYBE NOT. WELL, WHAT? I GOT A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT ON THIS. MY OFFICE WAS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON PCH THERE.
THAT RIVIERA THAT USED TO BE THE LANGUAGE SCHOOL.
IT'S NOT DESIRABLE FOR BUSINESSES. PARKING IS VERY EXPENSIVE, HARD TO GET.
IT'S NOT REALLY THE IDEAL PLACE FOR IT. SO I DO GET THE IDEA BEHIND.
THAT'S JUST GO A BLOCK ANOTHER WAY. IT'S EASIER TO PARK, IT'S CHEAPER, YOU KNOW? AND THE OTHER THING IS, NO, OFFICE SPACE IS NOT A PREMIUM.
NOW, PEOPLE ARE STILL WORKING FROM HOME LESS AND LESS, BUT IT'S CHEAP.
THE PLACE WE GOT NOW IN TORRANCE IS A THIRD THE PRICE OF WHAT WE WERE PAYING FOR THERE, SO I DON'T, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A PROBLEM THAT ISN'T THERE BY TRYING TO LIMIT THIS.
THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PLACES TO GO THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THAT.
BUT IT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT THAT I'M PROMOTING.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT GOES. UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN ONE PERSON IS TALKING, ANOTHER PERSON SHOULDN'T TALK OVER THEM. WELL, I WAS GOING TO HELP YOU WITH SOMETHING. THAT'S WHAT MY WIFE SAYS.
HOW'S THAT WORK? NOW, I HAVE TO SAY. WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING? WELL, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THE BIG PART OF THE AACAP IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO.
OKAY, THERE'S A HUGE PARKING LOT ACROSS FROM TRADER JOE'S, AND THE IDEA IS THAT YOU PARK.
I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. AND THEN YOU WALK, OKAY? OR YOU WHATEVER. YOU BIKE THERE, YOU WALK THERE.
PEOPLE ARE WALKING ALL OVER THAT PLACE. THEY'RE GOING TO TRADER JOE'S.
OKAY. I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THAT. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.
YEAH. AVENUE I HAS RESTAURANTS, UP AND DOWN. YEAH.
THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS JUST TO ENTER INTO THE DISCUSSION OF, ARE WE REALLY SURE THAT ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DECLARED SECOND FLOOR BUSINESSES, SHOULD THEY REALLY BE INCLUDED IN THE SECOND FLOOR CATEGORY, IS AND I AND I SAY SPECIFICALLY REAL ESTATE OFFICES SHOULD BE DISCUSSED FURTHER BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM, NOT ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND I DO SEE THEM AS PART OF THE WINDOW SHOPPING EXPERIENCE AND THE WALKING EXPERIENCE.
I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY JUST AS MUCH A ATTRACTION TO WALK DOWN A STREET AS WALKING PAST A PILATES STUDIO THAT DOESN'T HAVE ITS WINDOWS GRAYED OUT. YEAH. YEAH. TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON, I TEND TO AGREE.
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I MEAN, GRANTED, I'M IN THE BUSINESS, BUT I THINK THAT REAL ESTATE OFFICES DO DRAW A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC.SO CONTRARY TO WHAT WE'RE I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, THE YOU WALK BY A REAL ESTATE OFFICE NOWADAYS, WE HAVE ELECTRONIC SIGNS. THEY WALK THROUGH. A LOT OF PEOPLE STOP AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
WE THEN GO OUT AND GET A BITE TO EAT AFTERWARDS. I GOT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S AND I HAVE A FRIEND THAT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE IN PALOS VERDES. THEY HAD ISSUES WITH THEIR NEIGHBOR.
THEY WERE VERY UNSATISFIED WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE NEW NEIGHBOR.
AND MY FRIEND HAPPENED TO BE DOWN IN RIVIERA VILLAGE AND SAW A PICTURE OF A HOUSE AND SAYS THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE. BY THE WAY, WHERE IS IT? WELL, THEY NOW LIVE THERE.
RIGHT. AND THE THING IS, LIKE. WELL, AND TO ANSWER MR. SCULLY'S POINT TOO, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE, LIKE, I KNOW THAT THE SOME OF THE LETTERS WE GOT, ONE OF THE OFFICES HAS BEEN THERE FOR, I THINK, ALMOST FIVE YEARS. SO SOME OF THESE OFFICES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, IS THERE SOME PROBLEM THAT'S BEING CAUSED BY THESE OFFICES BEING THERE? BECAUSE I THINK THEY CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO THE GUYS.
I'M SORRY. I'M JUST THEY DO. I MEAN, REAL ESTATE OFFICES CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO THE CITY.
AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WHEN YOU SELL A HOME, YOU PAY A TAX DIRECTLY TO THE CITY.
THAT GOES TO THE CITY EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT COMES THROUGH. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE SECONDARY TYPE OF FEES THAT COME TO THE CITY WHERE SOMEONE'S GOING TO REMODEL THEIR HOUSE OR REDEVELOP IT. THEY PAY A QUIMBY FEE.
THAT'S ANOTHER $15,000 THAT GOES TO THE CITY REVENUE.
IT'S NOT JUST YOUR, YOU KNOW, WALKING AROUND AND YOU SEE A REAL ESTATE OFFICE. I MEAN, THEY MOST OF THE AGENTS, THEY DON'T WORK OUT OF THEIR OFFICES, SO THEY'RE NOT TAKING UP PARKING. BUT WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO COME DOWN AND LOOK AND THEN WANT TO MOVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, THEY LOOK AT COME DOWN SHOP, LOOK, THEY, YOU KNOW, GO ACROSS THE STREET, GET A DRINK OR GET A BITE TO EAT AT ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS OVER THERE. SO IT GENERATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THEY ARE GENERATING A LOT OF LONG TERM REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
SO AND SO WE'RE TALKING THREE OF THEM THAT ARE IN THIS AREA HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE CAUSING ANY REAL PROBLEM, BUT PART OF THE CONCERN I HAD WAS WITH THE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, PUT A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THESE TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN. SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY THE COMPANIES THAT PURCHASED THEM.
SO REAL ESTATE OFFICES, COMPANIES DO CHANGE PERIODICALLY.
SO, YOU KNOW A COMPANY I WAS WITH, WE USED TO BE PART OF A BIG TRANSIT FRANCHISE.
NOW WE'RE AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY. WHAT IF THAT COMPANY WANTS TO SELL THEIR OFFICES TO ANOTHER COMPANY? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT NOW? ARE THEY GOING TO BE BASICALLY HAVING THEIR PROPERTIES NOW DEVALUED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REAL ESTATE OFFICE, BUT NOW IT'S GOING TO BE TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE IF IT CHANGES OWNERSHIP, IF YOU DO A LITTLE BIT OF REMODELING TO IT. SO WE'RE NOW CAUSING A SECONDARY IMPACT ON THIS. SO I'M KIND OF THINKING MORE OF LIKE, WELL, WE ONLY GOT THREE OF THEM HERE NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO SINCE WE'RE FOCUSING ON REAL ESTATE OFFICES, WHY DON'T WE JUST I DON'T KNOW PUT A CAP LIKE WE DID ON SMOKE SHOPS BECAUSE THIS THING CAME OUT OF A SMOKE SHOP DISCUSSION.
IF ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES CLOSES DOWN, GOES OUT, ANOTHER ONE CAN COME IN AND THERE'S NO MORE. SO WE PUT A WE PUT A LIMIT ON HOW MANY MORE THAT CAN COME IN, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE.
THREE THERE'S THE STATE PROPERTIES. THE. DID YOU SAY YOU COUNTED FOUR? YES. AND I COULD BRING THAT SPREADSHEET. YOU HAVE THAT SPREADSHEET. THE SPREADSHEET OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I KNOW THERE'S THE BEACH CITIES BROKERS. TWO BROKERS.
THERE'S ONE BUILDING, SOTHEBY'S. SO THANK YOU.
THERE'S ONE THAT'S CLOSER TO THAT CROSSWALK AS AS YOU WALK FURTHER SOUTH.
IT'S IN THE MID-BLOCK WITH RESTAURANTS ON BOTH SIDES.
YEAH. RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. YES, SIR. BEACH CITIES SOTHEBY'S ESTATES.
THAT'S ONLY THREE. I ONLY SAW THOSE FOUR. OH, THERE IS AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM.
THERE YOU GO. SO THE ARCHITECT, THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM IS ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T FACE SOUTH CATALINA, BUT I INCLUDED IT BECAUSE IT IS ZONED AND WOULD BE APPLICABLE FOR THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT, BUT IT'S ON THE SIDE. IT'S ON THE NORTH FACING SIDE OF THAT STREET.
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RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S A MULTIPLE SUITE BUILDING.YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE I WAS THINKING, I JUST I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, THE IRS, WHEN I TURNED IN MY 1099 AND IRS, I'M CONSIDERED A SERVICE BUSINESS AS A REALTOR.
SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SAY THAT THEY WEREN'T SERVICE ORIENTED OR SERVICE RELATED.
SO ANYWAY. ANYWAY, JUST SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO PUT A CAP ON IT, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY OF DOING IT, LIKE WE DID WITH SMOKE SHOPS. AND THEN THAT WAY THE CURRENT OWNERS AREN'T GOING TO BE PENALIZED IF THEY SELL THEIR PROPERTIES LATER, IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THAT USE. ANY.
COMMISSIONER CONROY. YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE MARKET WOULD CREATE ITS OWN CAP, MEANING ONE OF THE BIG REASONS REAL ESTATE OFFICES, FOR EXAMPLE, WANT TO BE IN THERE IS TO HAVE THEIR WINDOW SHOPPING AND, BUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT IF IT JUST TURNS INTO A STREET OF REAL ESTATE OFFICES.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S GOING TO SELF-CORRECT. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY WE CAN OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WOULD, I WOULD BE WILLING TO ADOPT THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS. FIRST, THREE AMENDMENTS, FIRST, THAT WE CLARIFY THAT THE EXISTING GROUND FLOOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE EXPRESSLY GRANDFATHERED AND MAY CONTINUE OPERATIONS WITHOUT DISRUPTION.
TWO THAT STAFF DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE WHERE PEOPLE JUST COME TO WORK AND THEN GO HOME, VERSUS A SALES SERVICE OFFICE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND BEING, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO GET US TO GET A SERVICE.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IF THE PURPOSE IS TO GIVE IT A VILLAGE FEEL TO WHERE WELL, LET ME JUST SAY I WOULD RATHER HAVE A FINANCIAL OFFICE THERE OR AN ACCOUNTING OFFICE OR A REAL ESTATE OFFICE THAN HAVE VACANT STOREFRONTS.
SO IF THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AVAILABILITY FOR RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IF WE DO IMPOSE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT WE TAKE A LOOK 12, 18 MONTHS FROM NOW AND SEE IF THERE'S AN INCREASE IN VACANT STOREFRONTS.
COMMISSIONER GADDIS. I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE FROM THE 1992 GENERAL PLAN THAT DESCRIBES THIS PREFERENCE. DO WE HAVE THAT HANDY AT ALL? DO YOU HAVE THAT POLICY HANDY? I THINK YOU QUOTED.
MY FEELING ABOUT THIS IS THE REASON THEY CLUMP THE RESTAURANTS TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, THE MORE HOTELS AND CASINOS AND ATTRACTIONS YOU PUT IN THAT PLACE, THE MORE PEOPLE FLOCK IN THERE, THE BETTER THE BUSINESS IS FOR EVERYBODY. AND IT'S LIKE A FOOD COURT.
AND THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S HUNGRY OR THEY WANT TO HIT A FEW BARS, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE OUT WITH FRIENDS AND THEIR FRIENDS ARE IN FROM OUT OF TOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A PLACE THEY CAN PARK THE CAR OR TAKE AN UBER TO, YOU KNOW, RIDESHARE TOO.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS. AND I FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M DOING THAT.
I DID NOT. WHEN I GO DOWN THERE TO ENTERTAIN GUESTS BECAUSE WE'LL GO TO A RESTAURANT.
THIS PLACE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO DOWN TO THIS OTHER PLACE.
IT'LL BE JUST FINE. AND THEN IT'S AN HOUR WAIT.
OKAY. WE'LL GRAB A DRINK ACROSS THE STREET. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THAT CLUMPING OF USES OF BARS, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL ALL IN ONE PLACE ESPECIALLY WE'RE TALKING, AS YOU SAY, ABOUT BASICALLY A LITTLE OVER A BLOCK.
IT'S LIKE TWO BLOCKS, REALLY, OF JUST ONE STREET.
AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE AND I UNDERSTAND THE GRANDFATHERING OF, EXISTING SERVICE BUSINESSES. BUT I THINK THERE IS A BIG ADVANTAGE TO CLUMPING THESE THINGS ALL TOGETHER.
AND PEOPLE KNOW THE RIVIERA VILLAGE NOT BECAUSE OF TRADER JOE'S.
THEY KNOW OF IT BECAUSE OF THIS CLUSTER OF RESTAURANTS AND BARS ON CATALINA.
SO I WOULD SAY WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT MORE SUCCESSFUL IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
RIGHT. AND SO. AND THAT'S THE BEST POINT MADE YET THAT SUPPORTS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
BECAUSE LIKE I WAS SAYING WHILE YOU WERE TALKING THERE IS ACTUAL ECONOMIC THEORY THAT SUPPORTS THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE RESTAURANT ROWS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ANTIQUE SHOPS ALL ON THE SAME STREET.
WHY WE WHY BACK IN THE 80S, MELROSE IN HOLLYWOOD WAS KNOWN AS THRIFT SHOP ROW.
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NOW DECORATOR'S. DIFFERENT NOW. IT'S STILL THE SAME CLOTHES.THEY JUST SAY THEY'RE NEW, BUT THESE. BUT THE THEORY IS THAT IS THAT THOSE SHOPS WILL EACH DO BETTER IN A RESTAURANT ROW TYPE OF SITUATION THAN ON THEIR OWN BLOCK ALL BY THEMSELVES, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT ROB IS DESCRIBING, THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE OF WANTING TO GO SOMEWHERE WHERE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES. OH, I THINK THERE ARE MALLS.
YEAH. AND SO, YOU KNOW I SAY LET'S, LET'S DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE THIS THING STRONGER AT WHAT IT'S BEST AT RIGHT NOW AND HOW IT ATTRACTS PEOPLE DOWN THERE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AS OPPOSED TO.
ROB WE'RE ALL KIND OF AGREEING, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CONROY AMENDMENTS AND COMMISSIONER CRAIG OR CHAIR CRAIG, YOU WERE MENTIONING MAYBE STRENGTHENING THE GRANDFATHERING IN.
I THINK A MAXIMUM NUMBER MAKES SENSE AND MAYBE WE CAN.
SO RIGHT NOW, ARE THERE 3 OR 4 REAL ESTATE OFFICES THERE.
PER THE RECORD THAT I HAVE. IT WAS FOUR IN JUNE.
I CAN OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RECALL THREE, BUT I BELIEVE THE 4TH MAY HAVE BEEN THE ARCHITECTURE.
THAT'S ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE LOT. THAT DOES NOT FACE SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE ITSELF.
RIGHT? YEAH. ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN AT THE CORNER OF PALOS VERDES BOULEVARD? I BELIEVE IT IS, RIGHT? CORRECT. THOSE SEEM TO BE THERE ARE A LOT OF NAMEPLATES ON BASICALLY TWO BUILDINGS.
DID YOU COUNT EACH ONE OF THOSE NAMEPLATES AS AN OFFICE, OR DID YOU COUNT THE CLUSTER OF SIX NAMEPLATES ON THE BUILDING AS BEING ONE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OFFICE. I COUNTED IT BY THE ADDRESS.
OKAY, SO NOT BY THE NUMBER OF NAMEPLATES. I JUST USED THE ADDRESS BECAUSE.
YES. OKAY. THAT'S ALMOST SEPARATE. SO IT'S. WHERE ARE ALL THE OTHER? WELL, WE'RE NOT JUST. WE'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO LIMIT REAL ESTATE OFFICES.
I THINK THEY SAID PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OFFICES.
I CAN PLEASE, AS A WHOLE. RIGHT. WELL, THEY WERE USING REAL ESTATE AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. RIGHT. ROB WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR IF, SAY, WE HAD FOUR CURRENTLY THAT WE HAD LIKE MAYBE A CAP OF FOUR? TEN.
CURRENT GRANDFATHERED NUMBER IS. I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS RIGHT NOW.
YEAH. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AGAIN IF WE NEED TO.
YEAH, IF WE NEED TO. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE OTHER SORT OF 11.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE TOO. DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT MANY. COMMISSIONER I HAVE THAT, I HAVE THIS SPREADSHEET ON THE SCREEN. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE. SO THEY'RE NINE ONE. YEAH, TWO.
WELL, THERE'S ONLY ONE VACANT. 817. LOOKS LIKE.
TEN. TEN. TEN. ON. ON. CATALINA. ON WITH. IT LOOKS LIKE HALF OF THEM ARE MEDICAL.
AND ONE OF THEM SAYS JUST POTENTIAL. WE CAN'T COUNT THE POTENTIAL GROUND FLOOR OFFICE, CAN WE? BECAUSE IT'S VACANT. COULD BECOME A RESTAURANT OR A BOUTIQUE.
HAS NO GROUND FLOOR. THAT'S. THAT'S ON ELENA.
IS THAT COUNTING OR IS THIS THESE OTHER STREETS COUNTING AS WELL? THIS IS ONLY WITHIN THE CATALINA. THIS IS ONLY WITHIN THE C-2 PD.
TEN FIVE MEDICAL. OH THREE. REAL ESTATE ONE ARCHITECTURE.
OKAY, SO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT SEEMS. AND A POTENTIAL GROUND FLOOR OFFICE. BASICALLY, THERE'S ONE.
CORRECT. SO THERE'S ONE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE STREET FRONTAGE.
NO. THEY'RE COUNTING TYPICAL OF THAT AREA. IT'S ENCLOSED.
IT DOESN'T HAVE LARGE WINDOWS AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO DIFFERENTIATE.
IT'S REALLY ONLY NINE. NO NO NO NO. BUT AND THEN THIS ONE IS BASICALLY IS THAT THERE'S 1921.
SO IS IT A BUILDING? I'M STILL NOT PICTURING IT.
MY SONS ORTHODONTIST WAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF A BUILDING DOWN THERE, AND I'M THINKING THAT MIGHT BE IT, BUT IS THIS A BUILDING THAT SOME FUTURE TENANT MIGHT DO TENANT IMPROVEMENTS SUCH THAT THEY PUT BIG WINDOWS IN IT? IS IT A BUILDING WHERE THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE? I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. I DON'T NECESSARILY IF IT'S NOT, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEIR INTENTIONS THAT BUILDING SHOULD, SHOULD, BE ALLOWED TO HAVE WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A WALK IN, YOU KNOW, RETAIL TYPE OF BUILDING IS IT? CORRECT. COULD BE LIMITED TO MAYBE A GYM OR SOMETHING.
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SO THAT'S CORRECT OR REAL ESTATE OFFICE. ALSO, IF IT IS A CURRENT GROUND FLOOR STREET FACING OFFICE, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT USE AS A NONCONFORMING USE WITHIN THE CODE.RIGHT? COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE, YOU'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY.
YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WITH THIS SPREADSHEET THAT YOU HAVE UP ARE WE TALKING THESE ARE ALL POTENTIAL THAT IF THEY WERE TO MOVE OUT, YOU WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE IN.
RIGHT? AND ALL OF THESE PLACES. SOME. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MEDICAL OFFICE.
OKAY. THE WAY AND THIS IS WITH EXISTING ORDINANCE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE OFFICES THAT ARE NOT FRONTING.
THEY DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE. THEY'RE ON A PLAZA CATALINA 19. SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OFFICES. THERE'S ZERO FRONTAGE.
THEY ALSO FACE ON A WHOLE OTHER THEY FACE ON A FEEDER STREET.
NOT REALLY. SO THOSE MEDICAL OFFICES IT'S A STRANGE. IT'S LIKE A PARKING LOT. IT'S A FEEDER STREET IT IS A FEEDER. 1917 DOES NOT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE DOES.
THIS WHOLE PLACE, AND THIS ONE COMPLETELY DOES NOT.
THIS. THERE'S NOT LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH. BUT THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEE 17 AND 19.
THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT. OKAY. SO GO ON SEAN I'M SORRY. WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS HERE.
YES. WE'D BE ENCOURAGING A RESTAURANT OR A RETAIL STORE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE WOULD WE WOULD ENCOURAGE WOULD WE WOULD APPLY THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN.
AND NO, YOU KNOW, THOSE REAL ESTATE OFFICES WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER REAL ESTATE OFFICE WOULDN'T MOVE IN.
OKAY, OKAY. THAT LIST ON AVENUE, ON CATALINA.
SO WHY WOULD WE SAY, WELL, REAL ESTATE OFFICES ARE OKAY, BUT MEDICAL OFFICES ARE NOT.
SHOULD THOSE TURNOVER. YOU KNOW WHAT. I COVERED THAT.
SO I'M KIND OF LIKING THE WAY YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING IT.
I DON'T SEE WHY. BECAUSE IT'S NOT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TURN OVER RIGHT AWAY ALL TOMORROW.
NO, NO. AND THEY CAN CONTINUE AS LONG AS THEY CAN STAY IN BUSINESS.
YEAH. SO YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THEM EVENTUALLY THROUGH ATTRITION THERE BEING NO OFFICES ALONG CATALINA IN THAT AREA. GROUND FLOOR OFFICES. EXCEPT FOR THE END THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I USED TO HAVE A DENTIST THERE.
TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT KIND OF DOES.
YOU CAN TURN RIGHT THERE AND GO DOWN AND ACTUALLY GET DOWN INTO THE.
NEXT STREET OVER TORRANCE. TORRANCE APARTMENT BUILDING AREA WHERE ALL THOSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE, BY TURNING RIGHT JUST PAST THE MEDICAL BUILDINGS.
YEAH, IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH. YEAH. SO THAT TO ME, KIND OF FACES THAT MORE THAN IT DOES CATALINA.
YEAH. THERE'S NO FRONTAGE TO CATALINA, SO I DON'T SEE INCLUDING THAT IN THERE.
AND YET THAT IS CATALINA ADDRESS. RIGHT. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE, BUT ALL THAT OTHER I THINK WE'RE KIND OF THINKING THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND IT REALLY ISN'T. IT'S GOING TO TAKE IF EVER I'M NOT THINKING, I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SO THAT NO NEW POTENTIAL RESTAURANTS ARE TURNED INTO PROFESSIONAL OFFICES THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVING HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE AT 22% NOW.
IF YOU TAKE NINE OUT OF 40 THAT ARE THIS AND THAT, WE'RE OKAY WITH I FEEL OKAY WITH IT.
SO AND IF THEY'LL GO AWAY EVENTUALLY AND IT WILL BE 100% PREFERRED USES.
SO WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF LEAVING THE RESOLUTION AS IS.
I WOULD BE BEHIND, BUT OTHERWISE I'D GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH. SEAN CAN YOU DO THAT? SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A YEAH, I THINK WE SAW A PILATES STUDIO DOWN THERE BY BETWEEN ONE, A COUPLE OF THE RESTAURANTS. RIGHT. THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED.
YEAH, THAT'S CONSIDERED PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICES.
OKAY, SO A MEDICAL BUILDING OR A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR WHATEVER COULD MOVE OUT OF ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW OF THEM THERE, AND A PILATES STUDIO COULD MOVE IN WITH YOUR RESOLUTION WITH OUR RESOLUTION.
CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC SPEAKERS IN THE ROOM. SO ANYONE TURN ANY SPEAKER CARDS? JAAMAL OH, YEAH.
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OKAY, THIS IS FOR ONE OF EACH. OKAY. J.1, J.2.OKAY. FIRST SPEAKER IS RICK EDLER. PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME SO THEY COULD RECORD IT AND GO RIGHT AHEAD.
I ALSO LIVE AT 208 CALLE MIRAMAR, ALTHOUGH WALKING DISTANCE DON'T FREQUENTLY WALK TO WORK.
A COUPLE POINTS. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF JUST BRING UP A COUPLE OF THINGS WERE SAID, AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS A COUPLE POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE, AND I'M GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR, I'M SPEAKING AGAINST MY BEST INTERESTS.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IF YOU GUYS ADOPT THIS, I HAVE A BROKERAGE, I HAVE A REAL ESTATE OFFICE.
AND I HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I'M GOING TO USE MY OFFICE AS AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE 200FT² OF RETAIL.
AS YOU GUYS WOULD PREFER TO CALL IT, WITH 6000FT² SUPPORTING IT, THAT 6000FT², WHICH IS THE BACK OF THE FIRST FLOOR, PART OF THE SECOND FLOOR AND PART OF THE THIRD FLOOR, ALLOWS US TO OPERATE OUR BROKERAGE AND MEET WITH CLIENTS, OR DO NOTARIES OR CONSULT WITH THEM ON THE FIRST LEVEL AT STOREFRONT LEVEL, THE SIGNAGE WORKS VERY WELL FOR REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, WE WOULDN'T PAY THE RIDICULOUS RENT TO BE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO HAVE A BROKERAGE AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD SIMPLY NOT FIND THAT LOCATION ADVANTAGEOUS IF THE BROKERAGES START LEAVING, I THINK REAL ESTATE, ONE OF THE THREE BASIC NEEDS WATER, SHELTER AND FOOD.
FOOD WE HAVE LOTS OF AND ENJOY DOING THAT. IF YOU START LIMITING THAT AND YOU HAVE LESS DEMAND, YOU MIGHT HAVE VACANCIES THAT SHOW UP. AND IF YOU HAVE LIMITED THE USE THAT COULD GO IN THERE, THEN YOU WILL INADVERTENTLY HINDER THE OWNERS TO HAVE THOSE BUILDINGS.
THUS THEY DON'T CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IT. THUS IT PUSHES BACKWARDS.
SO I WOULD INTEND AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU LIMIT THE USE.
I HAVE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH MONEY AT RAINBOW SUSHI.
I'VE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH MONEY AT CRAFTSMAN. WE DO COME TO THE OFFICE AND DO FREQUENTLY WALK TO HI FI OR OFFSET TO GET A COFFEE IN THE MORNING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND IN THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE OFFICES FIRST FLOOR, SECOND OR THIRD, YOU ARE FREQUENTING THE RESTAURANTS AROUND THERE AND THAT HAS BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL. I CAN SEE WHY A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T PUT THEIR TAX RETURNS IN THE WINDOW.
TIME. PEOPLE COME BY AND LOOK. MOTION TO EXTEND. MOTION TO EXTEND.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE CONTINUE. THANK YOU.
SO, LIKE, A FINANCIAL ADVISOR WOULD PROBABLY NOT PUT THEIR PICTURES IN THE WINDOW OF THEIR GREAT RETURNS THAT THEY HAD DONE FOR THEIR CPA CLIENTS, FOR PEOPLE TO PERUSE, BUT THEY WOULD NOT FIND THAT AS A GOOD LOCATION FOR THEM TO OPEN THEIR BUSINESS.
THEREFORE THEY WOULDN'T SEEK TO IT. IF THERE IS MORE DEMAND FOR FOR RESTAURANTS, I DO THINK THAT THE RATES WOULD GO UP AND REAL ESTATE OFFICE MYSELF WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT EVALUATION AND SAY WE CAN'T AFFORD IT, AND WE GO IN THERE.
BUT THE DIVERSITY WHICH THAT AREA CREATES, AND WE DON'T TAKE PARKING ON THE STREET, WHICH CAN BE USED FOR RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE OUTDOOR PARKING SEATING, WHICH HAS BEEN A GREAT BOON FOR THAT AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, WE HAVE 13 OFFICES IN DIFFERENT CITIES, ALL OF STOREFRONT, ALL MAIN STREETS, ALL HAVE THE SAME KIND OF EXPOSURE.
IT WORKS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY AND BE AWARE OF THAT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.
SO ANYBODY ONLINE. WE HAVE NO EATTENDEES ONLINE.
OKAY. SO OUR NEXT STEP IS TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION OR TO? I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT'S THE PHYSICAL DISTANCE OF THIS STREET THAT WE'RE THIS AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TURN INTO JUST A RETAIL RESTAURANT VILLAGE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I CAN BRING THE MAP UP.
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IT IS THE STRETCH OF SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE BORDERING ON AVENUE I TO THE NORTH AND PALOS VERDES BOULEVARD TO THE SOUTH.AND THEN WITHIN THE C-2-PD ZONE TO WHICH THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD BE APPLICABLE.
IT DOES COLLECT THREE PORTIONS OF LOTS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST.
BEFORE YOU REACH THE TRIANGULAR SHAPED PARKING STRUCTURE, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TWO C-2 PD-LOTS TO THE RIGHT OF 1728. I CAN MAKE THIS A LITTLE LARGER. IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO SEE.
AND, IT'S THE NORTHERN PORTION OF 1815 VIA EL PRADO TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN 1719. I BELIEVE THAT ADDRESS.
BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT. I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN.
THAT'S A STRANGE ONE. ON A VISTA DEL MAR AND VIA EL PRADO.
IT'S THREE LOTS HERE. IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF SOUTH CATALINA AVENUE.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE? YOU KNOW THAT DISTANCE? THE PHYSICAL DISTANCE. WHAT'S THE' MILEAGE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER OF THIS DISTRICT? IT'S LIKE A COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS, I THINK. DO WE KNOW? IS IT A HALF A MILE? I DON'T KNOW THE PHYSICAL DISTANCE.
TWO BLOCKS. IT'S A VERY SMALL SPACE, RIGHT? IT IS A VERY SMALL SPACE.
HALF A MILE. THE ISSUE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP ABOUT LIMITING, YOU KNOW, LIMITING TYPES OF DEMAND, ALTHOUGH VALID IN A LARGER ECONOMIC COMMERCIAL ZONE.
IT'S JUST A FEW BLOCKS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
THAT SAID, I STILL THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CARVE OUT FOR REAL ESTATE OFFICES BECAUSE THEY ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I KNOW WHEN I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET, I'M GOING TO STOP AND LOOK AT THE COOL HOUSES THAT THEY'VE GOT.
EVEN IF I ALREADY KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOING TO BUY THEM, I'M GOING TO STOP AND I'M GOING TO LOOK AND I'M GOING TO AND IT'S GOING TO PERHAPS CREATE SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA. AND THEN MY WIFE TURNS AROUND AND LOOKS ACROSS THE STREET AND SAYS, HEY, WHERE DID THAT RESTAURANT COME FROM? LET'S GO EAT OVER THERE.
AND I SAID, BUT LET'S JUST GO TO THIS BAR OVER HERE AND DRINK INSTEAD.
WHEN WE'VE BEEN IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND WALKING THROUGH CITIES LIKE LITTLE TOWNS, VILLAGES THAT HAVE A REAL ESTATE OFFICE, YOU'LL WALK RIGHT BY THE CHEESY TOURIST KNICKKNACK SHOP.
BUT YOU WILL SPEND 20 MINUTES LOOKING AT THE COOL HOUSES THAT ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AND SAY, WOW. NOW, HOW DO YOU CONVERT THAT CURRENCY TO.
SO IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER USE FOR THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF A VILLAGE TYPE WALKING WINDOW SHOPPING TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAN A PILATES OR A BARBERSHOP OR A NAIL SHOP OR A DONUT SHOP.
I THINK THAT AND MAYBE THE THE DESIRE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T TAKE OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE ADDRESSED BY HAVING RESTRICTIONS. WELL, WE WILL ALLOW FOR IN THIS AREA, OR THEY CAN'T BE MORE THAN 1000FT APART OR 500FT APART OR WHATEVER.
WE'VE DONE THIS WITH BUSINESSES IN THE PAST. THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T NOT ONLY GRANDFATHER IN THE EXISTING THREE, BUT MAYBE SAY WE'LL ALLOW FOUR. AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, A REAL ESTATE COMPANY WANTS TO LEASE SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF A BUILDING AND THAT MAKES FOUR. OKAY. THAT'S IT. I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS HERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONE BUSINESS.
I MEAN, NOBODY STOPS TO LOOK IN THE WINDOW AT AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.
NOBODY, BECAUSE THE MONITOR IS FACING AWAY FROM THE WINDOW, BUT IN AN ACCOUNTING FIRM.
MY GOD, DON'T GO IN THERE. DO NOT GO IN THERE.
A HOUSE THAT WAS SO COOL. HE COULD NOT NOT BUY IT.
AND THEY WERE THEY WEREN'T EVEN THINKING OF MOVING. THEY WERE JUST VERY IRRITATED WITH THEIR NEXT DOOR, THEIR NEW NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS WHO WRECKED THEIR FENCE WHEN THEY TRIMMED THEIR TREES. SO THEY'RE RENTING THAT HOUSE OUT NOW TO I WON'T EVEN TELL YOU, BUT THE BAD NEIGHBORS ARE SORRY THEY MOVED, BUT NOW THEY LIVE ON A REALLY COOL HOUSE WITH A GREAT OCEAN VIEW THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A 1930S BUILT YOU KNOW, CLASSICAL HOME AND BUILT ALONG THE HILLSIDE IN PALOS VERDES.
THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN ABOUT IT HAD THEY NOT SEEN IT.
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SO THERE YOU GO. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME CARVE OUT FOR REAL ESTATE.IS THAT SOMETHING WE STILL WANT TO CLARIFY WITH THAT? HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT? WELL, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SEEMS CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS.
SO IF THEY'RE CLEAR, I'M SORT OF CLEAR NOW. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED ANY MORE DEFINITION THERE.
SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH THEIR PROPOSED OKAY. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE FEEL LIKE I AGREE WITH MR.? BOSWELL. I THINK THAT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HAVING FAMILIAR WITH FAMILIARITY WITH THE BUSINESS, I THINK THAT MAYBE SOME KIND OF A CARVE OUT. AND SO LEAVING THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AND A CARVE OUT FOR THE REAL ESTATE OFFICES MAY MAKE SOME SENSE.
WE CAN COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN LATER IF WE NEED TO, BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN OPINION ON EITHER ONE OR.
I THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING. IT'S LIKE GRANDFATHERING. BUT THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH JUST GRANDFATHERING THEM IN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES OWN THESE PROPERTIES AND, YOU KNOW, IT TRANSFERS HANDS LATER IN THE FUTURE.
THEN SUDDENLY THEIR PROPERTY IS NOW WORTH LESS.
AND IF ANOTHER NON-CONFORMING USE OF THE SAME CATEGORY CAN MOVE INTO THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION AS WELL, IF THAT SPACE ISN'T VACANT FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
WELL, THERE'S THAT, BUT I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE TOO. IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF MODIFICATION TO THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO IF THEY MODIFY, IF THEY. STRUCTURAL ALTERATIONS. WOULD THAT THEN, THAT WOULD THEN RELINQUISH THAT, THAT GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING EITHER THAT OR JUST HAVING THE SPOT.
YES. SO NONCONFORMING USES ARE PERMITTED TO MAKE STRUCTURAL ALTERATIONS THAT ARE ORDERED BY THE CITY'S CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL OR THAT ARE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION DESIGN REVIEW PROCEDURE.
RIGHT. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 10%, IT'S. ARE WE LOOKING AT A CARVE OUT OF FOUR? I THINK I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THIS SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
HOW ABOUT IF WE VOTE ON MOVING TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, RESOLUTION NO.
2025-09-PCR-08 AND VOTE AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
OKAY. SO THAT YOUR MOTION. YEP. OKAY. SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF VOTING ON IT AS STATED, NO MODIFICATIONS. OKAY. WHY WOULD WE JUST CALL FOR A VOTE? JUST WANTS TO CLARIFY THAT. SO CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE ON THAT.
COMMISSIONER LIGHT. AS IS, AT THIS POINT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. NO. COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
NO. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. YES. COMMISSIONER CONROY.
NO. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. YES. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG.
NO. SO THE MOTION DOESN'T CARRY. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER INTRODUCE AMENDMENTS.
WELL THE CHANGE WOULD BE ACTUALLY WOULD BE A CHANGE. DO YOU WANT TO.
WE COULD PUT THE DO YOU WANT TO IMPROVE THE DEFINITION.
IS THAT THE IDEA OR YOU WANTED TO GRANDFATHER IN THE REAL ESTATE ONLY.
YEAH. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE IT MIGHT I GUESS MY THOUGHTS AGAIN WERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, DO SOME KIND OF A CARVE OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE, THE STAFF REPORT WAS KIND OF SINGLING OUT REAL ESTATE COMPANIES IN GENERAL.
BUT HOW WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE. OKAY, SO SELL ME ON THIS CHAIR.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WHY ARE WE PRIORITIZING A REAL ESTATE AGENT VERSUS A DENTIST, FOR EXAMPLE? YEAH, I WOULD BE. BEAT THAT TO DEATH. COME ON.
I THINK REAL ESTATE OFFICES DO. FOR ALL THE REASONS I TALKED ABOUT I GO TO THE DENTIST.
AND THEN I GET A CUP OF COFFEE. NOT NECESSARILY.
I MEAN, NOT IF YOU GOT A SHOT. PROBABLY. AND YOU'LL BE, YOU'LL HAVE TO WEAR A BIB.
IF YOU JUST GOT YOUR TEETH WHITENED, SO. TO HER POINT, I AGREE.
AND THE MORE HEAVY HANDED WE ARE ON TRYING TO AFFECT THE MARKET, WE'RE GOING TO.
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WE MAY INADVERTENTLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN WE'RE SOLVING.BUT I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO OPEN IT TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICE PROVIDERS RATHER THAN REAL ESTATE.
AND TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE POINT LIKE, AS WELL AS PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A GREAT IDEA TO OPEN UP AN ACCOUNTING FIRM OR A DIFFERENT SERVICE, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THE MARKET WOULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
I'D BE OPEN TO A CAP ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICE PROVIDERS.
SO IF WE LUMP THOSE TOGETHER, THEN WE'RE NOT TALKING JUST THE FOUR.
WE'RE TALKING THE 11 OR 14 THAT ARE THERE NOW.
OUR TOTAL CAP OF FOUR OVERALL. YEAH. WE COULD HAVE 15 OF THEM NOW.
IT WAS ONLY NINE THERE. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? WHERE DID THE 15 COME? MAYBE I MISSED. YEAH. YEAH.
IN CATALINA, THERE'S ONLY NINE. THERE MIGHT BE.
MAYBE ONE WITHOUT WINDOWS, RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT 10TH ONE IS.
IT'S. WE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE. IT'S ALWAYS CLOSED UP.
I WOULD I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. THAT THERE WOULD BE, I THINK A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THAT HAVE.
THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. AND WHAT'S THE RIGHT PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT, IF IT'S NINE OUT OF 40, IT'S 22%. MAYBE IT'S A 20% CAP OR SOMETHING. YEAH, YEAH.
SO IT WOULD BE. YEAH. IT'S A LOWER NUMBER 20%.
YOU KNOW ANYTHING THERE THAT STAYS THEY HAVE THAT PERMISSION.
BUT IF IT GOES BELOW 20% THEN ONE COULD COME IN.
I THINK COMMISSIONER GADDIS POINT. IT'S JUST TWO BLOCKS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IT'S LITERALLY TWO BLOCKS. AND I THINK HIS POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND THAT YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT, YOU HAVE TO WAIT 30 MINUTES. YOU CROSS THE STREET TO THE BAR.
YOU. OH, WE'VE GOT 30 MINUTES. LET ME GO BUY A SHIRT.
IT'S KIND OF I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE NEED TO BE AS HIGH AS 20% WITH THAT.
WELL, WHILE WE'RE WAITING, LET'S GO LOOK AT THE HOUSES IN THE WINDOW AT THE REAL ESTATE SHOP. AND MEANWHILE, YOU'RE WALKING BY A GYM THAT YOU CAN'T WALK IN AND WORK OUT IN WITHOUT A SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP.
SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE DO AN OVERALL CAP OR PERCENTAGE CAP.
IS IT MAYBE IT'S 10%. I MEAN WE'RE CURRENTLY AT ROUGHLY 20 OR JUST OVER 20.
YEAH. IF IT'S NINE OUT OF 40. 22%. THAT'S TOO MANY.
AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT NUMBER COME DOWN. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S 10%.
THAT WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE. YEAH. BECAUSE. ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY GOT NOW.
SO WE'RE NOW COMING IN PROPOSING. IS BASICALLY ZERO.
YEAH. SO WE'RE SAYING ZERO. SO NOW WE'RE SAYING WELL BASED ON WHAT'S THERE NOW AND KIND OF MERGING TOGETHER THESE TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL USES, WE'RE THINKING A PERCENTAGE NOW, SO WE'RE TALKING WHATEVER PERCENTAGE THAT MIGHT BE.
SO THE EXISTING ONES ARE GRANDFATHERED IN AND WE'RE TAKING A PERCENTAGE TO BE SOME WHATEVER NUMBER.
WHAT PERCENTAGE? BECAUSE ONCE YOU START TALKING ABOUT PERCENTAGES, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, SHOULD WE REALLY BE TALKING ABOUT PERCENTAGE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AVAILABLE FOR LEASE IN THE ENTIRE STREET.
SAYING HOW MUCH OF IT IS. YEAH, KIND OF QUANTIFY IT.
WELL, AND OF COURSE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, DO YOU? OKAY. YEAH. BUT YOU KEEP INTERRUPTING. WHY DO YOU KEEP INTERRUPTING ME? OKAY. PLEASE. SO YOU WANT TO INCUR. I MEAN, GO BACK TO THE BASIC THING.
THE GOAL IS TO ENCOURAGE A VILLAGE SHOPPING WALK, STREET WINDOW SHOPPING TYPE DISTRICT.
AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, ACCOUNTING FIRM DOES NOT ADD TO THAT.
A REAL ESTATE OFFICE DOES. THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALLOWED THAT ARE LESS LIKELY TO ATTRACT WINDOW SHOPPING LIKE PILATES AND BARBERSHOPS AND NAIL SHOPS MEANS THAT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT A REAL ESTATE OFFICE IS A MUCH BIGGER BENEFIT TO THE EVENTUAL GOAL OF MAKING THIS THE WINDOW SHOPPING DISTRICT OF THE SOUTH BAY.
OKAY, TO SAY WE SHOULD HAVE A LIMIT ON THAT IS FINE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GIVING THOSE SAME CONSIDERATIONS TO GROUND FLOOR MEDICAL OFFICES. WHEN A GROUND FLOOR MEDICAL OFFICE LOSES ITS LEASE OR LEAVES, A NEW MEDICAL OFFICE CAN COME IN, BUT ONLY BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR HIGHER. I MEAN, THAT WAY THAT FREES UP EVEN MORE SPACE FOR RETAIL AND RESTAURANT ON GROUND FLOORS.
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SO YOU LOOK AT THESE BUSINESSES ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY TO FURTHER THE GOAL THAT THE CITY HAS FOR THIS DISTRICT.REAL ESTATE OFFICES ARE A POSITIVE FACTOR IN ADVANCING THAT GOAL.
MEDICAL OFFICES. DENTISTS OFFICES. ORTHODONTISTS.
BUT IN THE CASE OF REAL ESTATE OFFICES, A NEW TENANT COULD BE UP TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OFFICES.
THIS DOESN'T SOUND TO ME LIKE IT'S GETTING THAT COMPLICATED.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S AN ABILITY. IT'S A DESIRE TO TWEAK THE VERBIAGE TO GET TO THE GOAL THAT MUCH SOONER AND THAT MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENT ANYWHERE? SHE WAS TEXTING ME. OKAY. INDEED. WELL, I GUESS AT THIS POINT.
SO DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WE'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN AT THIS POINT? ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? SILENCE. I'LL MOVE THAT. WE, ADOPT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS, THAT WE CLARIFY THAT THE GROUND FLOOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE EXPRESSLY GRANDFATHERED AND MAY CONTINUE OPERATION WITHOUT DISRUPTION.
THAT FUTURE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OFFICES WILL BE ALLOWED NOT TO EXCEED 10% OF THE ADDRESSES ALONG THE CORRIDOR. AND THAT. STATED NUMBER, BECAUSE IT'S A.
YEAH. IT'S A FINITE NUMBER, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY STATE A NUMBER.
YEAH. OKAY. WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS THAT NINE OR WHAT WAS THE NUMBER.
OR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES IS CURRENTLY AT FOUR.
I MIGHT RECOMMEND TO THE WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
PROFESSIONAL. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, RIGHT. YES.
AND THAT. YEAH, SURE. REAL ESTATE, MEDICAL, THE.
OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT OFFICES AND WE'VE GOT THREE CATEGORIES, ADMINISTRATIVE, MEDICAL, AND.
SURE. OKAY. AND IF WE WANT TO GO WITH THE NUMBER RATHER THAN THE PERCENTAGE, THAT'S FINE TOO.
ROUGHLY HALF OF THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO THERE'S, B IS OFFICES PROFESSIONAL.
SURE. SO ONLY C IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING.
WELL, WE ACTUALLY. IT'S JUST MEDICAL. B AND C.
NO IT'S B AND C THEN. BUT THAT. BUT B INCLUDES ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING.
ENGINEERING. COOL, MY PETROLEUM PIPES. AND LAW OFFICES.
YEAH. AND TO THE GRANDFATHERING ISSUE AGAIN THEY CAN CONTINUE.
THEY, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL ALTERATIONS MAY NEED TO COME TO THE TO THIS BODY.
ARE YOU SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO EXPRESSLY GRANDFATHER THE EXISTING.
YES. NO, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IT'S ALREADY COVERED.
OKAY, THEN THEN. OKAY. DO WE KNOW WHAT. WHAT WOULD.
THE THAT'S THOSE ARE REPRESENTED WITHIN THE SPREADSHEET THAT I HAD UP A MOMENT AGO.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE THAT THEY ARE.
IT SEEMS TO BE 9 OVER 40 OF. 9 OVER 40. SO LIKE 20%.
THERE ARE 9 THERE NOW? YEAH. SO I WOULD BE UP FOR.
IT. AS I'M PROPOSING THE AMENDED MOTION. NOT A NUMBER NOT TO EXCEED FOUR.
SOUNDS FAMILIAR. INCLUDING THOSE [INAUDIBLE]. 10%. MEDICAL BUILDINGS, ETC..
YES. SO YES, EVERYTHING IS DEFINED HERE. A CAP OF FOUR.
OKAY. NO. OKAY. OF ALL, ANY KIND OF OFFICE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
WELL, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, MAKING THEM ALL MEDICAL THEN.
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THEY WILL BUY UP EVERY. THEY WILL TAKE UP EVERY VACANT SPOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD THAT RENT.WELL. THEY WILL CATCH EVERYBODY ELSE OUT. IF WE HAVE A CAP, THEN THERE WILL ONLY BE FOUR OF THEM.
NONE OF THEM WILL BE REAL ESTATE OFFICES WHICH ENCOURAGE THE USE.
BETWEEN MEDICAL OFFICES AND REAL ESTATE OFFICES.
ONLY REAL ESTATE. YOU COULD GET SUED FOR THAT.
LEGALLY, I DON'T REALLY. THAT'S NOT TRUE BECAUSE WE DID THE SAME THING WITH SMOKE SHOPS.
IT MAKES NO SENSE. BUT ANYWAY, SO TO FINISH UP.
YOU CAN GET SUED FOR ANYTHING. AND IF IT'S DISCRIMINATORY, I COULD MAKE A CASE THAT AS A PSYCHOLOGIST, I WANT THAT OFFICE. AND YOU WANT TO DO IT FOR REAL ESTATE.
AND YOU COULD SAY THAT I'M REALLY HAVING TROUBLE WITH MAKING A CARVE OUT JUST FOR REAL ESTATE.
REMEMBER RETAIL. IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T BE THERE, IT'S THAT THEY CAN'T BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
YEAH. WELL, YEAH, MEDICAL OFFICE CAN STILL BE THERE.
IT JUST HAS TO BE ON THE GROUND.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M JUST REALLY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS FACT THAT RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY, SAYING THAT'S THE ONLY PERMISSIBLE PROFESSIONAL USE THERE.
BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON AND THERE'S A REASON FOR IT. THAT'S ONE REASON.
THAT'S YOUR OPINION IN THAT REASON, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A COMPELLING REASON OF WHY YOU COULDN'T BE A PSYCHOLOGIST OFFICE, OR IF I BELIEVED IN IT, AN ASTROLOGER. I DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT, I JUST DON'T GET THAT.
I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD BE PULLING REAL ESTATE OFFICES OUT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. THAT'S WHY I WOULD RATHER GO WITH THE BROADER DEFINITION, AS STATED HERE, TO A CAP OF FOUR FOR THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD ROUGHLY REPRESENT 10%.
BUSINESS OFFICES. PROFESSIONAL SERVICE OFFICES, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL DISTINCTION.
AGAIN, I'M NOT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES WHERE PEOPLE ONLY COME TO WORK AND THEN THEY GO HOME.
BUT WE'LL KEEP IT BROAD IN MY VERSION OF. DO YOU WANT TO SAY TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS KIND OF HOW WE WERE KIND OF, I GUESS THAT INCLUDES A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT. I GUESS WE HAVE THE DEFINITION RIGHT THERE.
THESE ARE THE TERMS YOU WORK WITH FOR THOSE. YEAH.
FOR THOSE DEFINITIONS. SO A CAP OF FOUR I GUESS THAT'S REALLY WHAT MY AMENDMENT COMES DOWN TO.
WE KEEP THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE ORDINANCE REVISED ORDINANCE AS IS.
FOR 4 FOR THESE CATEGORIES. FOR A CAP OF 4. IT'LL COME DOWN TO 4.
YES. OFFICE. AND THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S A REAL ESTATE OFFICE OR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY DOING IS ALLOWING THE CONTINUED USE, BUT JUST SCALING IT BACK.
THE NUMBER FROM 10 TO, OR 9 DOWN TO FOUR ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY DOING.
I THINK CURRENTLY WE'RE SCALING IT DOWN TO ZERO AND I'M UP TO.
YEAH. BECAUSE IT IS ZERO. SO WE'LL HAVE TO WRITE SOME KIND OF AN EXCEPTION THAT IDENTIFIES A CAP FOR OFFICE USE AT 4 IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE RIVIERA VILLAGE OVERLAY ON CATALINA WITH THE C-2-PD.
IF WE CAN GET THE MOTION TO PASS. RIGHT. OKAY.
SO, SO WHEN LIKE YOU HAD A QUESTION FIRST. I DO.
I'M SORRY. TO MAKE, IS IT CALLED A SUPERSEDING MOTION? THAT WOULD BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER TO. SO FROM 4 TO 6, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I WOULD ACCEPT YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT BETTER TOO BECAUSE IT'S REFLECTS WHAT IT'S AT THERE NOW.
I WOULD WANT TO. AND JUST AS THE PRACTITIONER AS THE IMPLEMENTER I'M THINKING OKAY, SO SOMEBODY COMES IN AND I'M READING THIS ORDINANCE AND THEN I'M GOING TO THE EXCEPTION AND THEY'RE COMING INTO A NEW STOREFRONT.
NOT ONE OF, YOU KNOW, NOT ONE OF THE EXISTING OFFICE FRONTAGES.
AND THEY SAY, I WANT TO COME IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND I WOULD SAY, WELL WE HAVE A CAP AT 6. THERE'S 2.
I'M JUST THINKING IT THROUGH RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A CAP AT 6.
WE ALREADY HAVE. 9. 9. SO NO. SO NO, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SAY AND THEY WANT TO OPEN ONE, WE CAN SAY YES. CORRECT. WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I STARTED THAT CONVERSATION WAS I WASN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY THAT ARE THERE LEGALLY YET.
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WE'RE IN EXCESS OF THE CAP, BUT I GUESS THEY ARE. THEY'RE LEGAL NONCONFORMING. SO. YES. OKAY. SO YES, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD PRACTICALLY APPLY IT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN, WE'D SAY NO UNTIL THOSE LEGAL NONCONFORMING LOCATIONS WENT DOWN BELOW THAT CAP NUMBER. RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY.OKAY. I THINK FOR THEM TO MOVE OUT, THAT COULD TAKE DECADES. I THINK, YEAH.
THEY COULD, THEY RENEW THEIR LEASE. THEY CAN.
AND MAYBE THEY CAN THEY RENEW THEIR LEASE. THAT'S PRICE.
THEY JUST WANT TO RENEW THEIR LEASE, THEY CAN STAY FOREVER. WHY DON'T WE TRY THAT? SO THIS DOES NOT ADVANCE THE GOAL. YEAH. SO IN ESSENCE WE'RE DOING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE SMOKE OR SMOKE SHOP ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS WE PUT A CAP AND THEN ESSENTIALLY THEY WILL DROP OFF.
WE PUT A SET AMOUNT ON IT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION FIRST OR DO YOU WANT TO. SO NOW IT STANDS AT 6.
6. SO WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO 6. SO WE WOULD BE DOING TWO THINGS NOW.
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. DO YOU EXPECT, IF HE ACCEPTED THE.
ACCEPTED IT. SHOULD WE VOTE ON THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR SHOULD WE PROCEED WITH THE MOTION? I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE. FRIENDLY. FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FIRST.
OKAY. SO CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FIRST.
COMMISSIONER LIGHT. AYE. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
YES. COMMISSIONER YOUNG. YES. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
AYE. COMMISSIONER CONROY. YES. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.
NO. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG. YES. SO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT CONTINUES.
LET'S VOTE ON THE MOTION. SO WE WE VOTE ON THE MOTION.
ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THAT MOTION. LET'S READ THE MOTION AS IT NOW STANDS.
RIGHT. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. YEAH.
THIS TIME. THE ADDITION. READ THE WHOLE THING.
DIRECTOR SCULLY, DO YOU WANT TO READ IT AS YOU UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? YEAH, I YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
SO THE, IF YOU WANT TO PULL UP THE RECOMMENDATION.
GOING FOR IT. ARE THE PROPOSED. YEAH. THE RECOMMENDATION.
WOULD YOU PREFER THE SPREADSHEET. YEAH. MAYBE. NO.
THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WITH AN EXCEPTION CLAUSE OR SOME SUB CLAUSE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE LONG TERM RETENTION OF UP TO 6, A LIMIT OF 6 OFFICE SPACES ON THE GROUND FLOOR. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WELL, OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM. SO DO YOU WANT PROFESSIONAL OFFICES? CAN YOU CLEAN THAT UP AGAIN? YEAH. GO BACK TO THE DEFINITION.
B AND C. IS B AND C I THINK. SO B AND C. OFFICE.
OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I CAN VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE MOTION AND WE HAVE IT CLARIFIED.
SO ROLL CALL VOTE THEN. SO COMMISSIONER LIGHT.
AYE. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
AYE. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. AYE. COMMISSIONER CONROY.
AYE. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. NO. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG.
AYE. OKAY. SO THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PASSED. VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SEAN. GREAT PLEASURE. ALL RIGHT.
ARE CHANGES NEEDED TO THE RESOLUTION? ARE CHANGES NEEDED TO THE RESOLUTION AT THIS MOMENT? YES, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THEM RIGHT NOW. OKAY.
YEAH. SO WE'LL CARRY THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, A CLEAR RECITAL THAT SAYS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL SPELL IT OUT WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT PUTS A CAP ON THE RETENTION OF 6 GROUND FLOOR OFFICE LOCATIONS. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY.
SO THAT. HOPEFULLY J.2 WILL BE JUST AS FUN. I EXPECT IT MIGHT BE MORE FUN.
OKAY. NOW WE'RE AT J.2, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 10, CHAPTER 2, ZONING AND LAND USE OF THE REDONDO BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE PERTAINING TO PARKING REGULATIONS FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USES LOCATED ON PROPERTIES WITHIN THE ARTESIA AND AVIATION CORRIDOR AREA PLAN. SO, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT, MR. SCULLY? YES. A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
JUST GOT A LITTLE MUSICAL CHAIRS REAL QUICK. OH.
PUBLIC HEARING. WE DID. YEAH. SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT, GIVE ME A SECOND TO PULL THIS UP.
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SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, WE DID IT OFFICIALLY.NOW. OKAY, GOOD. VERY GOOD. DIDN'T EXPECT THAT IN TWO HOURS.
OKAY. MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WILL NOW BEGIN. THANK YOU.
OKAY. AS MR. SCULLY FRANTICALLY GETS HIS PRESENTATION UP.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SEAN SCULLY, PLANNING MANAGER. SO MOVING ON TO J.2, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 10, CHAPTER 2 OF THE ZONING LAND USE REGULATIONS CONCERNING PARKING REGULATIONS WITHIN THE ARTESIA & AVIATION CORRIDORS AREA PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO WE CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THIS WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT WHERE THIS IS ALL COMING FROM.
IT'S ROOTED IN THE ARTESIA & AVIATION CORRIDORS AREA PLAN.
IT WAS FINALLY ADOPTED. IT WAS FINALLY ADOPTED DECEMBER 8TH, 2020.
IT RECOMMENDS INCREASES IN THE FAR FROM 0.5 TO 0.6.
THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND THEN IT HAS A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES TO IN YOU KNOW TO VITAL REVITALIZE THE CORRIDOR SPECIFICALLY TARGETING PARKING AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH PARKING.
IT'S BEEN DETERMINED TO BE SOMEWHAT OF AN IMPEDIMENT FOR NEW BUSINESSES TO COME IN.
SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE KIND OF THE BIRTH OF IT.
THERE YOU GO. OKAY. AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WENT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AACAP THAT IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GIVING STAFF AND THE COUNCIL SOME COMFORT THAT THE ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED IS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A VERY DETAILED PARKING STUDY DONE AS PART OF THE AACAP FOR THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.
THEY SURVEYED IT WAS A UTILIZATION SURVEY FOR EVERY SINGLE PARKING LOT, PRIVATE AS WELL AS PUBLIC PARKING IN THE STREET AND THE OCCUPANCY RATE. AND THIS WAS DONE BEFORE COVID.
AND WE HAD PRETTY LOW UTILIZATION RATES OF PARKING, 68% OCCUPANCY ON THE STREET SPACES AND 50% OCCUPANCY IN THE PARKING LOT. SO OPTIMAL PARKING UTILIZATION RATES ARE ABOUT 85%.
SO THERE'S AMPLE PARKING WITHIN THE CORRIDOR.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE EXHIBITS UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT THAT IDENTIFY.
THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF BLOCKS WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE RED AND BLACK.
THOSE ARE LIKE 90% UTILIZATION. SO THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS THAT DO GET CLOSE TO OPTIMIZATION, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER, THE MAJORITY OF THE, BLOCKS AND THE PRIVATE PARKING LOTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER PARKED.
SO TO DATE, WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO IMPLEMENT AACAP? WE TOOK A FIRST STAB AT TRYING TO RELAX PARKING.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL TRYING TO REVITALIZE THE CORRIDOR.
AND SO IN 2023, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL WORKED TO RELAX THE PARKING STANDARDS FOR THE PREFERRED USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
THOSE ARE OFFICES, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AND RESTAURANTS AND AND THEY WE LOWERED THOSE PARKING GENERATION RATES FROM FOR RESTAURANTS. THEY WERE EXTREMELY HIGH, LIKE ONE PER, LET'S SAY 75FT² DOWN TO ONE PER 300FT².
AND THEN THERE WAS NUMBER OF REALLY FLEXIBLE PARKING OPTIONS THAT WERE ALSO ADOPTED IN 2023.
YOU COULD DO TANDEM PARKING, VALET PARKING, LIFTS, OFFSITE AGREEMENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN ONE STEP.
AND WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TONIGHT IS, IS THE NEXT STEP.
SO SKIP AHEAD. WE WENT TO THE COUNCIL IN AUGUST THIS YEAR.
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AND MARK TOOK THE ITEM AND THE IT WAS TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET GOING AGAIN ON THE LAND USE ELEMENT UPDATE THAT WE STILL HAVE TO COMPLETE. BUT THE THE REAL FOCUS OF THE MEETING WAS THE AACAP REVITALIZATION.SO AT THAT MEETING, THE COUNCIL WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT TOOLS IN THE AACAP TO TRY TO REVITALIZE THE AACAP AND INCREASE IN FAR GOING WELL BEYOND THE 0.6 UP TO THE 1.5.
THEY TALKED ABOUT ELIMINATION OF OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
ROOFTOP DINING AND SIGNAGE. MAXIMUM BUILD OUT CAPS.
YOU KNOW, ALLOWING FOR MIXED USE. PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE.
SO ALL THESE DIFFERENT SUBJECTS THEY GOT INTO.
IN ADDITION TO REDUCING PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE SLIDES THAT REALLY GET INTO THAT COMPONENT.
SO THEY THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THE OTHER ITEMS. THE ONLY ONE THEY MADE THE DECISION ON WAS THE PARKING.
AND THEY DIRECTED STAFF THAT LAST BULLET TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD.
AND THEIR POSITION WAS THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS GOING FORWARD IN THE AACAB.
THE STANDARD 50 BY 130. 100 BY 130, AND THEN 150 BY 130.
AND THESE NEXT SLIDES ARE THE PREDOMINANT LOT SIZES, THE 50 BY 130.
AND IF YOU WERE TO APPLY EVEN THE 1 PER 300 PARKING RATIO WHICH WAS A RELAXATION, AND YOU DID A STANDARD SURFACE PARKING LOT, THE LARGEST BUILDING YOU COULD GET ON.
ONE OF THOSE STANDARD LOTS IS A 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH AN FAR OF LESS THAN 4, LESS THAN 0.4, TWO STORIES. IT WOULD REQUIRE EIGHT PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT'S JUST THAT'S NOT GOING TO INCENTIVIZE REVITALIZATION.
YOU CAN START GETTING A GREATER FAR IF YOU DO TANDEM WITH VALET.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER EXPENSE FOR THE BUSINESS TO RUN THE VALET.
YOU CAN DO TWO STORIES, 4200FT² AND A 0.64 FAR.
SO YOU'RE STARTING TO GET, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STARTING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD INCENTIVIZE THAT REVITALIZATION. THEN YOU GO TO THE FINAL ONE AND YOU THROW PARKING LIFTS ON THERE, WHICH CAN BE PROBLEMATIC IN AND OF THEMSELVES, RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, THREE STORIES HIGH OR THREE LIFTS HIGH.
AND THEN YOU CAN GET UP TO A 0.8 FAR APPROXIMATELY.
SO WHAT IT WAS TELLING US IS WITH OUR PARKING STANDARDS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET REVITALIZATION TO TRY TO MEET OUR PARKING STANDARDS, EVEN OUR FLEXIBLE ONES. WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GET REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S ENOUGH TO START TURNING OVER THESE PROPERTIES.
SO AND THEN WE I WANTED TO THROW THIS ONE UP HERE.
HERE'S A CORNER LOT. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO MEET OUR CURRENT PARKING STANDARDS AND YOU'RE GOING TO, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A LARGE THREE SMALLER LOTS COMBINED, WHICH IS KIND OF A COMMON OCCURRENCE ON THE CORRIDOR ON THE CORNER.
YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE NEARLY 100 OR APPROXIMATELY 100 PARKING SPACES TO GET THE 1.5 AND THE ONLY, AND KEEP THE BUILDING TO THREE STORIES. YOU'D HAVE TO GO THREE LEVELS OF SUBTERRANEAN PARKING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROPOSITION JUST TO DO THE PARKING.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO OUR PARKING, OUR MASSING AND PARKING STUDY REALLY TOLD US WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTREME, A LITTLE AS THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED IT A LITTLE BOLDER.
AND SO WE, STAFF THEN PRESENTED JUST A WEEK AGO, TUESDAY, A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT, PER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, ELIMINATES PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE AACAP FOR NON RESIDENTIAL USES.
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YOU KNOW, IN OUR PRIOR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM, WE DIDN'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THAT USE AS MUCH.AND THEN IT REQUIRES DESIGN REVIEW FOR OVERLAP PARKING.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING LEGACY CONDITIONS OR REGULATIONS IN THE ORDINANCE NOW.
REQUIRES DESIGN REVIEW FOR VALET AND TANDEM. ALL THOSE EXTRA, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBLE STANDARDS.
THEY'LL STILL BE IN PLACE AND THEY JUST REQUIRE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.
SO, THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENTED ON THE 9TH. AND THEN THE COUNCIL HAD A LOT OF DELIBERATIONS ABOUT IT. AND THEN THEY GAVE THESE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES AS THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
AS A RESULT OF WHAT THAT DRAFT WE PRESENTED. SO REMOVE THE EXISTING LANGUAGE PROHIBITING RESTAURANT AND FAST FOOD, DRIVE THRUS. THERE WAS ACTUALLY LANGUAGE IN OUR PARKING REGULATIONS THAT PROHIBITED, WHICH IS INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT WITH OTHER SECTIONS OF OUR ORDINANCE.
AND CAN YOU JUST PUT IN ONE? BEFORE ANY BEFORE ANY OF THESE, BEFORE WE DID THE 2023 AMENDMENTS THAT THAT CALLED OUT A PROHIBITION ON THE FAST FOOD AND DRIVE THRU.
BUT THAT'S BEING REMOVED AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THEN REVISE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO APPLY TO ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, INCLUDING FAST FOOD AND RESTAURANTS, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND DRIVE THRU.
SO THAT'S KIND OF REDUNDANT FROM THE FIRST BULLET.
AND THEN INCORPORATE LANGUAGE REQUIRING WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT IT WAS PREFERRED TO HAVE THE PARKING LOTS IF THEY PROVIDE IT IN THE BACK BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. BUT COUNCIL WANTED TO STRENGTHEN THAT AND SAY LET'S REQUIRE THAT.
AND THEN IF IT'S, IF PARKING IS PROVIDED AND THEN WITH THAT THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING ANY INCOMPATIBLE ISSUES WITH PARKING IN THE REAR.
YOU KNOW, CONCERNS WITH PARKING AREAS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THAT IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN IF THEY DO WANT TO PUT THE PARKING IN FRONT WE WOULD REQUIRE AN AUP OR A CUP FOR THE PARKING AREAS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THEN INCORPORATE FUTURE AND REGULAR.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CONCERN. I'M SURE THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT PARKING IN THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SPILLOVER PARKING. WE DON'T WANT TO IMPACT ADJACENT PRIVATE COMMERCIAL LOTS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE ARE WE GETTING ARE WE GETTING MORE BUILDING PERMITS FOR NEW PROJECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE MEASURE TO GIVE US AN IDEA IF THIS STRATEGY IS WORKING.
AND THEN ALSO MONITORING ON A REGULAR BASIS THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF OVERFLOW PARKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SO. AND THEN FINALLY THERE DIRECTION WAS BRING THIS TO YOU GUYS AND GET YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TONIGHT. AND THEN JUST REAL QUICK, A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TONIGHT.
IT'S BUILT OFF OF THE EXISTING SECTION 10-2.1707.
AND THERE'S MINOR CLEANUP IN THE PURPOSE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP THERE.
AND THEN ELIMINATES PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL PERMITTED NONRESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THE AACAP, INCLUDING RESTAURANT, FAST FOOD, AND RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THRUS.
IT ALSO REMOVES ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW OUTDOOR DINING.
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AND STRUCTURES. IT'S GOING TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE FLEXIBLE OPTIONS ARE STILL GOING TO BE IN PLAY.SO IF THEY WANT TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF, ADJACENT TO THE BOULEVARDS THEY NEED AND AUP OR A CUP.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE THE BODY TONIGHT. OH, AND THIS IS JUST REDUNDANT AGAIN.
THERE'S, THE CITIES NOW IN THE CITY SPECIFIC, EXCUSE ME, STRATEGIC PLAN.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A REGULAR CHECK UP ON WHAT'S.
WHAT'S HAPPENING. ARE WE SEEING REVITALIZATION ON AACAP? ARE WE SEEING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ON ROLLING BACK THE PARKING TO NOT REQUIRE IT? AND THEN WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH YOU'VE DONE, TAKE TESTIMONY, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT THE RESOLUTION BY TITLE ONLY WAIVE FURTHER READING.
RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE SEQUEL EXEMPT EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND MAKE THE AMENDMENT.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION. AND I'VE GOT A WORD VERSION OF THE LATEST ORDINANCE.
AND WE'RE AVAILABLE TO, I'M AVAILABLE TO DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. SCULLY. NO. I THINK MR. GADDIS MOTION FIRST.
I'LL LET YOU GO. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. IT TALKS ABOUT PARKING IN FRONT OF PLACES.
NOT ALLOWED, ONLY BEHIND PLACES. DIDN'T WE JUST APPROVE A PROJECT THAT HAD THE PARKING UNDER THE.
WE DID. OKAY. YEAH. THE. IF IT SAYS ONLY BEHIND, THEN UNDERNEATH IS NOT BEHIND, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND WE WOULD HAVE WE WOULD REQUIRE ACCESSORY.
I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT AND PROCESS THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT OR THAT REGULATION. YOU KNOW, WE WANT HIM IN THE BACK BECAUSE WE'D RATHER SEE STOREFRONTS, RIGHT? ALONG THE BOULEVARD. AND IF WE DON'T GET THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT MORE RIGOROUSLY THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE USE AND OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, THEY JUST WANT THE STANDARD PARKING LOT UP FRONT AND THAT'S ALL THEY WANT TO DO.
WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET SOME BUFFERS OF THAT PARKING LOT TO GET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN GET THEM TO REDESIGN IT AND, AND PUT SOME OF THE PARKING IN THE REAR, SO. I THINK THE REAL REAR PARKING, MAYBE I'M ALONE IN THIS CONCERN, IS THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T SEE PARKING OUT IN FRONT OF A PLACE, THEY SORT OF HAVE TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, WHICH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THEY HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN TO GET TO THE PARKING IN THE REAR.
AND ALSO YOU CAN'T TELL BEFORE DRIVING DOWN THERE IF THERE'S EVEN AN OPEN SPACE ONCE YOU GET THERE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ISSUE OF EITHER BACKING OUT ONTO ARTESIA OR FINDING SOME WAY OF TURNING AROUND IN THAT REAR PARKING LOT, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S VERY CONSTRICTED BACK THERE.
RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT, JUST A CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH. YEAH, SPILLOVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SUCH.
BECAUSE SIMPLY PEOPLE AREN'T, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN.
[INAUDIBLE] THERE'S SIGN THAT SAYS HOW MANY, HOW MANY SPACES ARE STILL OPEN.
THE COUNCIL. A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ON ARTESIA NOW.
IS THERE A SINGLE ONE IN REDONDO BEACH OR ANYWHERE? [INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE IN SANTA MONICA? ALL OVER THE PLACE.
OKAY. BUT THAT'S NOT PLACES THAT HAVE THE KIND OF TRAFFIC WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE.
I'M ALL ABOUT PARKING STRUCTURES. YEAH, I LIKE PARKING STRUCTURES. I LIKE THE BEVERLY HILLS, LIKE TWO HOURS FREE THING IS REALLY GREAT. AND YEAH, I'M ALL ABOUT THAT. BUT WE, THAT'S NOT BEING OFFERED UP HERE.
ACCESS. ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. THEY NEED THAT ANYWAY, RIGHT.
IS IT FOR LOADING STUFF IN? AND I MEAN, I SUPPOSE.
PROBABLY. I MEAN, THEY CAN'T REALLY FILL UP THE LOT ANYWAY, RIGHT? GIVEN THE FLOOR AREA RATIOS, RIGHT? THERE'S GOING TO BE A BEHIND THE RIGHT? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ALLEYWAY. WE DON'T HAVE ALLEYWAY ACCESS IN THE BACK BECAUSE IT GOES RIGHT UP TO RESIDENTIAL IN MOST CASES.
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RIGHT. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE CARS COMING AND GOING RIGHT NEXT TO PEOPLE'S BEDROOM WINDOWS, POTENTIALLY. BUT I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS. ANYWAY.MR. [INAUDIBLE]. YES, PLEASE. CAN WE. WHAT I'D LIKE FOR EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A WALKING AREA OKAY. AVIATION AND ARTESIA, BOTH.
WE WANT THAT AREA TO HAVE THEIR RIVIERA. OKAY.
RIVIERA VILLAGE. OR MONTANA IN SANTA MONICA OR YOU NAME IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY NEED TO COME FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR AN ADMINISTRATION REVIEW THAT WE JUST SAY NO, THE PARKING HAS TO GO BEHIND AND BEHIND THE BUILDING, RIGHT OR UNDER.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO FOOT THE BILL TO PUT PARKING UNDER A BUILDING, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE STOREFRONT, OKAY. BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THAT AREA MONTANA OR YOU PICK IT, YOU PICK YOUR STREET AND PARKING IN FRONT WILL NOT ALLOW THAT.
OKAY. ANOTHER THING THAT ISN'T GOING TO ALLOW, AND I'M REALLY, YOU KNOW, IS THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY WALKING ALONG AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE TO STOP BECAUSE THEY GOT TO DRIVE IN TO ONE OF THESE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, AND THEN THEY GOT TO WAIT FOR THE CAR, AND THEN IT GOES AROUND, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CAR TO LEAVE THAT PARKING LOT.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, THE DRIVE THRU IS REALLY NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AT ALL. IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHY THAT WAS PUT BACK IN THERE AGAIN, BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE STILL HAVE TO ENVISION WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT.
WE DON'T WANT CARS MOVING IN AND OUT LIKE THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THERE IS SURPLUS PARKING.
THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE CAN GO THERE TODAY AND THEY CAN PARK ON ARTESIA OR AVIATION.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CAR. THEY DRIVE THEIR PARK, THEY WALK ALL OVER, THEY GO SHOPPING.
THEY DO ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DO IN THESE OTHER STREETS.
SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CHANGE THE LOOK OF THOSE TWO STREETS.
AND I THINK THE WHOLE DRIVE THRU, FAST FOOD THAT'S NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
KEEP THE ALL THE PARKING LOTS OFF THE STREET WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT THAT WHOLE AREA IS INTENDED TO BE WHEN THEY CAME IN FRONT OF US. I THINK THAT OUR GOAL FOR ARTESIA ESPECIALLY, BUT THE WHOLE AACAP IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS ALTOGETHER, AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S SOME ALREADY THERE IS DISTURBING.
YEAH. IT'S A BLIGHT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE KINDS OF FAST FOOD THAT WE HAVE AND THAT THAT THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY, THAT THOSE RESTAURANTS, THOSE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS WILL BE THE LAST ONES ON THOSE LOTS TO BE EVER APPROVED.
AND WHEN THEY ARE GONE, THOSE ARE NOW PARKING LOTS OR PARKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE MORE RESTAURANTS. I THINK.
OKAY, THIS WHOLE IDEA, THIS AREA DESERVES THIS.
YOU GUYS, WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT THERE.
OKAY. AVIATION / ARTESIA. WE'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE OF DRIVING IN.
BEGIN DRIVING OUT THE IDLING VEHICLES THERE. WE'VE GOT TRASH BEING COLLECTED.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE GOT PEOPLE DROPPING THEIR CUPS AS THEY WALK OUT OR WHATEVER.
IT JUST UNDERMINES THE WALKABILITY, THE SMALL BUSINESS MIX QUALITY OF LIFE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT GOT TAKEN OUT OF THERE.
AND I KNOW, SEAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFLICT.
WELL, LET'S FIX THE CONFLICT THAT THAT CAUSED IT TO NEED TO BE PUT BACK IN THERE INSTEAD OF.
IT DOESN'T WORK. IT'S NOT IN OUR VISION, OKAY.
SO TONIGHT, IF WE CAN JUST KEEP OUR VISION IN, THEN WE WON'T GO.
OFF TOPIC. IF EVERYBODY AGREES THAT AACAP WAS MEANT TO BE A WALKABLE RIVIERA VILLAGE, WE WANT THOSE AREAS TO BE LIKE THAT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A MAIN STREET FOR REDONDO.
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YEAH. COMMISSIONER LIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE NOT THE FIRST PLACE TO DO THIS.SO LET'S TAKE THE LESSONS OF OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE DONE THIS.
RIGHT. EVEN OUR OWN CITY. BECAUSE THINK ABOUT RIVIERA VILLAGE.
IT ACTUALLY HAS A TRIANGULAR PARKING LOT, WHICH WE JUST SAW EARLIER.
SO I THINK PART OF THIS PLANNING AND GOING BACK TO THE COUNCIL WHERE THIS SHOULD BE PLANNED, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A PARKING STRUCTURE WITH THE LIGHTED HOW MANY SPOTS ARE IN THERE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET A LIGHTED SPOT THAT WILL SAY, THERE'S 6 PARKING OUT THERE, THERE'S THREE OPEN. THAT'S PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR LARGE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE, CONVENIENTLY LOCATED HOPEFULLY, EVENTUALLY TWO OF THEM IN THIS AREA.
THE POWER. IN 10 YEARS. POWER LINE CORRIDOR. THERE YOU GO.
THEY ALREADY ADDED A LOT. THEY CAN. THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR.
A LOT OF ROOM THERE. UNDERGROUND PARKING AND ABOVE GROUND.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF FLAT SURFACE SPACE.
YOU HAD A QUESTION, I BELIEVE. YEAH. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE GPAC. WITH ARTESIA IS THAT THAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT THAN RIVIERA VILLAGE IS, ESPECIALLY NOW IS THE FACT THAT THE SIDEWALKS ARE SO NARROW AND THEY HAVE TREES AND FIRE HYDRANTS, GARBAGE CANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN'T REALLY REALISTICALLY, WITH THE AGE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE NARROW NATURE OF THE SIDEWALK HAVE THE KIND OF OUTDOOR DINING KIND OF THING THAT YOU HAVE ALL OVER RIVIERA VILLAGE AND THAT'S ONE OF ITS ATTRACTIONS IS THEY COULD BASICALLY HAVE A DRINK OUTSIDE, OR HAVE DINNER AND DRINKS OUTSIDE AT ONE OF THESE RESTAURANTS OUTDOORS.
SO, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS RIVIERA VILLAGE DID, OF COURSE, DURING COVID WAS TO EXPAND OUT, BASICALLY TAKE AWAY PARKING SPACES IN THE STREET TO ACCOMMODATE OUTDOOR DINING.
YOU KNOW, IT OBVIOUSLY, IT'S WAY TOO LATE TO DO THAT IN.
ARTESIA IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AS WELL AS WELL.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A CONSTRAINT. SO THAT THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE HERE.
I THINK IT'S A SOLVABLE PROBLEM, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EASILY SOLVABLE PROBLEM.
AND YOUR IDEA ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE RODEO DRIVE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
IT'S GOING TO BE RUN BY THE CITY. FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE GETTING CARS IN PARKED TWO HOURS OF FREE PARKING, GET THEM OUT. AND THAT'S BEEN JUST GOLDEN FOR THEM.
HOW THAT CAN BE DONE HERE, POSSIBLY THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY ALREADY PUT A PARKING LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM TO PUT MORE PARKING LOT IN THERE.
AND I'M SURE THERE HAD THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH TO PUT MORE IN THERE.
NOT AS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON. RIGHT. BUT BUT THESE ARE KIND OF PART OF THE CONSTRAINTS.
AND I WOULD ALMOST KIND OF LEAN TOWARD FLOATING THE IDEA THAT ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION THERE IS SET BACK FURTHER ON THE SIDEWALK TO CREATE SPACE, I THINK WIDER SIDEWALKS LEAD TO MORE WALKABILITY.
YOU KNOW, KIND OF INTUITIVE, I GUESS. MAYBE NOT CORRECT, BUT INTUITIVE.
BUT SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PLAYING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THIS AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND OUTDOOR DINING FRIENDLY AND, YOU KNOW CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO SPEND TIME THERE GOING FROM STORE TO STORE, BAR TO RESTAURANT, THINGS LIKE THAT. THESE ARE SOME THINGS WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] YEAH. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT ALL OF THIS TAKES TIME AND CAN BE REVISITED. SO, I MEAN, IF EVERYTHING WENT GREAT AND IT TURNED IT AROUND.
THEY'RE REALLY COUNTING ON NEIGHBORS WALKING ARTESIA AND AVIATION.
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AVENUE. THE THE TOP PART OF PIER AVENUE FOR DINNER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.BUT IF AVAILABLE, SHE WOULD EASILY GO TO AVIATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BY CHANGING, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE STRETCH.
YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF EXTEND PIER AVENUE UP INTO THAT AVIATION ALL THE WAY UP AND ACTUALLY HAVE THAT VIBE, HAVE THAT SAME VIBE THERE. AND SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING ARTESIA, WE'RE THINKING AVIATION.
THEY KIND OF HAVE DIFFERENT FEELS. YOU CAN ALSO TAKE ONE.
ONE OF THE WOMEN THAT HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH ME IS ACTUALLY A PLANNER IN ANOTHER CITY.
AND SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS RECOMMENDING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THIS.
WHEN YOU NARROW THE STREETS, YOU SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
YOU ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STOP AND LOOK AND WALK, RIGHT? SO THE IDEA IS TO GET THEM OUT OF THE CAR AND TO SHOP AND TO EAT.
AND AT THAT POINT, MAYBE THERE IS SOME KIND OF A TRIANGLE LIKE RIVIERA WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO ADD OR THAT CITY COUNCIL AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO ADD PARKING. SO I THINK TONIGHT WE JUST WANT TO SAY, YEAH, WE WANT TO REVITALIZE IT HOWEVER WE CAN, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE ENOUGH TIME THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHERE THE PARKING IS GOING TO GO TONIGHT, EXCEPT FOR THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE STREET, BECAUSE THAT JUST TAKES AWAY FROM THE WALKING THING. AND RIVIERA DOESN'T HAVE PARKING.
LET'S SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO GABI'S, THAT RESTAURANT THERE.
GABI JAMES, RIGHT. YEAH. I DON'T SIT THERE AND GO, OKAY, GOSH, GABI DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING.
I CAN'T GO THERE. NO, YOU JUST EITHER WALK, BIKE OR PARK SOME PLACE AND WALK, YOU KNOW? SO, I THINK WE HAVE TO LIKE, THINK THAT WAY WE DON'T.
IF THEY DECIDE TO PUT PARKING, IT HAS TO BE IN THE BACK.
AND I REALLY, HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT SHOULD COME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE ADMINISTRATIVE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY STRONG PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY WEAK PLANNING COMMISSIONS, RIGHT. SO WE COULD HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION IN FIVE YEARS THAT SAYS, YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD.
LET'S PUT THE PARKING UP FRONT, THEN THE BUILDING IN THE BACK.
WELL, WE'VE JUST MESSED UP WITH THE WHOLE WALKING VISION.
WHEN YOU PUT THE PARKING LOT UP FRONT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
RIGHT AFTER, AFTER. MR. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
SO I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT. AND AND BECAUSE OF THE HUGE SURPLUS THAT WE HAVE NOW.
BUT I THINK WHAT WOULD BE PRUDENT IS THAT AT THIS TIME, WE IDENTIFY PLACES ON ARTESIA AND HOPEFULLY ON AVIATION AS WELL, WHERE A PARKING STRUCTURE COULD BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THAT LARGE LOT BEHIND THE POST OFFICE AND THE AND THE STORES JUST EAST OF IT.
IT'S A VERY LARGE SPACE THERE THAT COULD EASILY BE MADE INTO.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THE ONE THAT HERMOSA BEACH PUT ON THEIR PIER AVENUE OR THEIR PIER PLAZA, BUT IT WOULD COULD EASILY BE THREE, FOUR, FIVE STORIES.
AND WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THE TOP FLOOR OF THAT.
COULD BE A PARK, COULD BE A SWIMMING POOL. A DOG PARK.
A DOG PARK. NOT A DOG. NOT A DOG PARK. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
IT COULD BE. BUT JUST TO QUICKLY WRAP UP. I THINK THAT TO SAY THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENT NOW IS FINE AS LONG AS EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT, AT SOME POINT THERE IS GOING TO BE ONE.
WE SHOULD HAVE CONTINGENCIES IN PLACE, BECAUSE IF I'M GOING TO COME IN AND PUT MY BIG GIANT RESTAURANT ON ARTESIA, I WANT TO KNOW THAT I CAN STAY THERE FOR 50 YEARS AND NOT SAY, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD NOBODY COMES HERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK.
SO WE NEED TO PLAN CONTINGENCIES EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NEVER BE USED.
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING THROUGH THE FEHR AND PEERS STUDY THAT CAME UP WITH THIS, YOU KNOW IDEALLY, YOU HAVE OF 85% UTILIZATION OF PARKING, BUT HERE IT'S ONLY 50%. I WASN'T CLEAR WHAT PARKING SPACES THEY WERE COUNTING.
I KNOW THEY COUNTED THE STREET PARKING, RIGHT.
AND BUT THE REST OF IT IS PRIVATE PARKING, RIGHT?
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SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING IN FRONT OF A STRIP MALL THAT USUALLY HAS A SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PARKING FOR THIS MALL, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE PARKING. THEY WERE ALL IF THEY COUNTED THAT, THEN THEY ALSO COUNTED ALL THE SPACES BEHIND BUILDINGS, RIGHT. THAT A LOT OF THOSE. UNTIL I STARTED LOOKING AT THE MAPS IN THE STUDY, I WAS UNAWARE THAT THOSE PARKING SPOTS WERE EVEN THERE.IT'S OPEN SPACES, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY PRIVATE SPACES AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IF I'M IF I'M GOING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, WE'RE GOING TO A PLACE FOR DINNER IN ON ARTESIA BOULEVARD, WE DON'T NECESSARILY START CHECKING PARKING LOTS BEHIND PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK.
SO, ARE THOSE SPACES TRULY AVAILABLE OR ARE THEY JUST EMPTY SPACES THAT ARE BEING COUNTED FOR THIS STUDY THAT AREN'T REALLY AN OPTION FOR SOMEBODY? IN SOME CASES, THEY COULD BE AN OPTION.
IT REALLY THOUGH, IT TELLS US THAT THE MIX OF USES THAT THE USES THAT WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE CORRIDOR AREN'T ATTRACTING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT CREATING THE ENERGY, THE, YOU KNOW, THE UTILIZATION OF THOSE SPACES, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST IT'S TELLING US ALL THE, A LOT OF THE AREAS ALONG THE CORRIDOR ARE UNDERUTILIZED.
YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW, THE PARKING IS JUST ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IS JUST KIND OF A IT TELLS US THESE BUSINESSES ARE NOT REALLY BRINGING IN A LOT OF CUSTOMERS, A LOT OF CLIENTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THE USES ARE, THEY'RE VERY OLD STRUCTURES.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE TYPES OF USES THAT ARE GOING TO FILL THEIR PARKING LOT.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY ON THE PRIVATE PARKING LOT.
IT'S REALLY TELLING US THERE'S THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH MOST OF THE USES ALONG THERE IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE BEING FREQUENTED AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE BEING UTILIZED. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE STREET PARKING IS PUBLIC.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL SPACES THERE.
AND THE PRIVATE PARKING IS KIND OF TELLING US TWO THINGS.
THERE IS, THERE. YOU KNOW, THERE IS AVAILABLE PARKING AT ALMOST ANY PLACE YOU GO.
AND THERE IS UNDER DEVELOPED SITUATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S TELLING US ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT REALLY A, A STRAIGHT LINE EQUATION TO USABLE PARKING FOR EVERYBODY LIKE THE STREET PARKING IS.
YES. AND THAT'S. YEAH. YOU KNOW AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THIS IS ABOUT JUST COMPLETELY TAKING PARKING OFF THE TABLE AS AN IMPEDIMENT TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
AND EVEN, AND THAT'S WHY THAT CAME OFF THE FAST FOOD.
TO ME, IT'S LIKE WE WANT TO MAKE STUFF HAPPEN.
RIGHT. RIGHT. WELL AND I TOTALLY GET THE, THE OBJECTIVE.
IT SAYS, WELL, HALF THE SPACES ARE EMPTY, BUT THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IT'S A PRIVATE BUSINESS, THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU TO PARK THERE AND THEN GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE THIRSTY CLUB.
GOING TO THE PET CLINIC. SO. BUT IT'S NOT OPEN AT NIGHT, SO IT'S.
YOU CAN'T JUST WALK DOWN THE STREET AND EAT AT A RESTAURANT DOWN THERE.
TRUE. YEAH. WELL, AND SOME OF THESE RESTAURANTS TOO, LIKE YOU SAID, IF THEY HAVE A LOT THERE, THEY'LL PUT A CHAIN ACROSS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE SO THEY DON'T LEAVE THEIR CARS AND TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR ABILITY TO USE THE LOT IN THE MORNING.
RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE EMPTY SPACES, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURPLUS, YOU KNOW, WASTED.
I MEAN, THE I GUESS THE STUDY IS MISLEADING. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE ISN'T A SOLUTION.
IT'S JUST NOT A USEFUL TOOL FOR THIS TYPE OF DECISION MAKING.
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I THINK THE PHENOMENON OF THERE BEING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, AND THIS GOES TO THE POINT OF IF YOU REQUIRE PARKING, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A LOT OF EMPTY SPACES, BASICALLY.SPACES THAT ARE BASICALLY THERE'S SPACE ON THERE THAT'S BEING WASTED.
AND THE IDEA IS, HOW DO YOU SOLVE THAT? YEAH.
RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PACKING THEM WITH. IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'S THERE'S IT'S TELLING US WE DON'T HAVE A HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE. YEAH. I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM FINDING PARKING REALLY CLOSE TO WHERE I'M GOING ON ARTESIA.
NEVER. NEVER ONCE. YEAH. I THINK THE ONLY SPOT THAT I IDENTIFIED AT THE COUNCIL MEETING WAS BETWEEN RUXTON AND PHELAN, I THINK. AND THERE'S ONE THAT WHERE THE GINO'S RESTAURANT IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
I KNOW THAT NEXT BLOCK OVER IN MATTHEWS, THEY DO HAVE A, THE RESIDENTS THERE CAN'T PARK IN THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE PEOPLE PARK AT THE RESTAURANT AND THEY PARK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY HAVE TO WALK OVER TO THE RESTAURANT SO THEY CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES. BUT THAT'S LIKE THAT'S ONE UNIQUE SMALL AREA, THE WHOLE SECTION THERE. BUT YEAH, I. IT'S LIKE I THINK COMMISSIONER BOSWELL IS THE SAME THING.
I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM PARKING THERE. I WISH I HAD.
IT'S NOT HERE. THIS IS THE PUBLIC STREET ONE.
IT'S A DEAD STREET. YEAH, BUT IF THE ONE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE'S ONE.
I THINK THERE'S LIKE 1 OR 2 LITTLE PRIVATE PROPERTY AREAS THAT ARE UTILIZED, LIKE 90%.
AND IT'S THE ONE I THINK IT'S PHELAN MAYBE. NO.
LET'S SEE. MIGHT BE MIGHT BE THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
IT'S THE ONE WITH THE CHICKEN MAISON. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER RESTAURANTS AND IT'S A STRIP CENTER, BUT IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT LIKE 3 OR 4 GOOD RESTAURANTS AND THAT ONE, THAT ONE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRIVATE PARKING STUDY FOR THAT, IT'S LIKE 90% OR SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PACKED.
AND THAT'S ROB. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU FEEL LIKE THAT HAS TO BE SOLVED TONIGHT? OR WE JUST GO WITH THE IDEA THAT WE JUST TAKE PARKING AWAY.
IT GETS BUSY ENOUGH, AND IN EIGHT YEARS, THE CITY COUNCIL IS THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE FORCED MAYBE TO DEAL WITH IT.
HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING REALLY TO GET THAT PLACE REVITALIZED.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S PART OF, YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST IT IS.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE DID GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING IN, AT THE GPAC.
AND, I MEAN, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS ABOUT CREATING BIKE LANES, YOU KNOW, CLOSING, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT CONSTRICTING ARTESIA BOULEVARD? THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES TO IT. AND WE DID CHANGE THE FAR.
YEAH, BUT WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME ALREADY AS A BODY ON AACAP.
YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY DONE ALL THAT. WE'VE DONE THE THE BIKES, THE RACKS, THE.
OKAY, SO NOW THEY'RE SAYING IT'S STILL NOT GOING CRAZY THERE.
GUYS LET'S JUST DO AWAY WITH THE PARKING. AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA RIGHT NOW, REQUIREMENT, JUST RIGHT NOW LET IT GET BUSY. LET IT GET TO A POINT WHERE THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM AND FIND CREATE A PROBLEM, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE WHAT WE WANT.
WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE HAPPEN. WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW FAST IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
YEAH, WE DON'T. BUT WE NEED A CONTINGENCY FOR DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT WE DON'T DEVELOP OURSELVES OUT OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE APPROPRIATE PARKING OPPORTUNITIES. WHY DO WE NEED THE CONTINGENCY TONIGHT IF.
SO SOMEBODY DOESN'T BUILD CONDOS ON A PARKING LOT THAT WE NEED SOMEDAY.
OH, NO, IT'S COMMERCIAL. YEAH, RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE REALLY ARE A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
SO YOU THINK SOMETHING THAT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL NOW MEANS THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ISN'T GOING TO FORCE US TO BUILD 350 CONDOS THERE SOMEDAY_ SORT OF A DIFFERENT ISSUE THAT IS ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN THE. THIS MIX IT'S EASY TO DO.
I'M ALL FOR DOING AWAY WITH A BUSINESS COMING IN AND NOT HAVING A PARKING REQUIREMENT.
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BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE CIRCLING THE BLOCK FOR 20 MINUTES, WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO PULL OUT SO THEY CAN PARK.WE NEED A CONTINGENCY. THAT'S PRETTY FAR OUT THOUGH IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, ISN'T IT? DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S AN EVENTUALITY. IF. HOW WOULD WE? ARTESIA DOESN'T GET DEVELOPED AND THEN YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT ANYWAY. YOU CAN HAVE TWO THOUGHTS AT THE SAME IN YOUR BRAIN AT THE SAME TIME.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOSWELL ON THAT ONE.
I THINK IT'S IT'S NOT A TERRIBLE THING FOR THIS BODY TO SAY THAT TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL, YOU BETTER HAVE A PLAN. SO TO ARTICULATE THAT.
SO WE'RE WE SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TAKING AWAY THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, RIGHT.
SO WHAT DO WE HOW DO WE WANT TO THEN. OKAY. WE'VE KIND OF AGREED ON THAT.
SO HOW DO WE ARTICULATE THAT OTHER SPOT? RESOLUTION.
IN THE RESOLUTION. AND THEN SO THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO IS SEAN WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY, IN IN HERE, WE WOULD SAY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD. YEAH, HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT PARKING WHEN IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.
TO CONTEMPLATE THAT. YES. AND ALSO I WOULD SAY ALSO CONSIDER SINCE WE REALLY CAN'T SHRINK YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY DO IT, DO IT. WHAT A TRAFFIC. DIET.
THAT WE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT THAT MAYBE WE CAN ELIMINATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUT MAYBE.
AND BUT THERE'S STILL ROOM ON THE PROPERTY, GIVEN THE FAR FOR US TO HAVE A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE SETBACK SO THAT WE CAN START HEADING THE DIRECTION OF HAVING MORE SPACIOUS SIDEWALKS ON.
YEAH. YEAH. ON ARTESIA BOULEVARD. AND THAT GIVES THE IDEA THERE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.
THAT THEY START CONSIDERING THAT. AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF STUDIES THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YEAH. AND SO THEY WOULD DIRECT STAFF.
OKAY. CAN YOU COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS ON. AND IN FACT, AS PART OF THE GPAC DOCUMENTS THAT ARE EVEN IN THIS PACKAGE, YOU CAN SEE SOME IDEAS BEING CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF BIKE LANES AND WIDER SIDEWALKS AND SUCH, BUT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION ON PAGE FIVE. DOES EVERYBODY. HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THE, THE NOT ALLOWING THE PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT ON THE SIDEWALK. INSTEAD OF HAVING IT BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR AN ADMINISTRATION PERMIT, YOU KNOW, REVIEW. JUST. AND THIS WASN'T JUST MY IDEA. IT WAS IT WAS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT THAT IT JUST HAS TO SAY NO, BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, IN RIVIERA, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PARKING LOT ON CATALINA THAT YOU WALK PAST. IT JUST DOESN'T GO WITH THE WHOLE CONCEPT.
YEAH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. IS THAT, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY? I MEAN. YOU CAN GET REQUIREMENT OUT, RIGHT? WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS LOOKING FOR, THOUGH, WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY AGREE THEY WANT IT. THEY MUCH PREFER IT AND WANT IT REQUIRED IN THE BACK.
BUT THERE'S KIND OF A THERE'S MARKET FORCES AT PLAY AND WE DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW SOME, THERE'S CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COULD COME INTO PLAY WHERE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A GOOD BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN DO THEIR PARKING IN THE BACK.
AND IF IT'S JUST, HEY, WE JUST WANT OUR PARKING IN FRONT AND WE, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CANNOT DENY THE PROJECT IF THEY DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SOUND REASON FOR IT.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHEN. OKAY. IF A BUSINESS WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DRAWING PLANS AND YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THEM IN THE AND IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE YOU, THEY NEED TO COME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY NO BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE SO MUCH MONEY IN THESE PLANS.
SO IN THE END WE WOULD SAY, WE WOULD SAY, OH, THESE POOR PEOPLE.
WELL, AND THEN AS PART OF THAT, OKAY, YOU NEED THE PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT.
WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO SET THAT PARKING BACK. YOU NEED AT LEAST, YOU NEED ONE BUILDING UP HERE.
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LET'S GET ONE. A SATELLITE BUILDING IN HERE OR UP FRONT.THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT ARE NOT GOING TO REALLY THEY'RE NOT OPTIMUM, NOT THE PERFECT WAY TO GET YOUR PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY, FEEL YOUR SENSE OF PLACE.
BUT IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT CAN COME PRETTY CLOSE.
YOU COULD GET LITTLE PARKWAY STRIPS FOR OUTDOOR DINING AREAS.
YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME, YOU KNOW, REAL CREATIVE WAYS THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ALL WOULD WANT, WHICH WOULD BE THE BUILDING UP ON THE FRONT, BUT THE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, STILL, THE BUSINESS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH THAT.
AND WE WANT TO IF WE JUST SAY IT'S GOT TO BE IN THE BACK AND THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION, WE.
WELL OR UNDERNEATH. WHAT WAS THAT? OR UNDERNEATH.
OR UNDERNEATH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S. EXPENSIVE. IT'S.
IF YOU PUT THAT PARKING IN THE BACK, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG INCENTIVE.
AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MONTHS AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET YOU PROBABLY TO PUT A BUILDING UP FRONT AND SOME PARKING, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LEVERAGE WITH THAT.
I GUESS WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS, SEAN, IS THAT I KNOW WHAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN TEN YEARS IS GOING TO DO.
AND THEY MAY JUST NOT THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL. YEAH.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT MAKES ME KIND OF NERVOUS, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THAT AREA TO HAVE THEIR RIVIERA, AND SO. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, IS THERE A WAY TO, SO YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TAKE IT. WHAT'S THAT? I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE THAT FLEXIBILITY OUT.
BUT IF YOU'RE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS WITH THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW. THAT WILL BE PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL, NO OR YES? COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS WOULD BE SO BENT ON HAVING THEIR PARKING IN THE FRONT THAT THEY'D KILL THE DEAL? NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. SO WE DON'T GET A DIRECT CLEANER.
WE ALREADY HAVE A DRY CLEANER ON ARTESIA THAT OVERCHARGES.
SO WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IS DYING FOR A FRONT PARKING LOT? YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. REALLY? WE. IT. NOT ALLOWING IT, I DON'T THINK LIMITS ANYTHING.
LIKE A. YEAH. AND NO DRIVE THRUS EITHER. THEY MIGHT HAVE A DROP OFF PICKUP SITUATION.
IT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A LIKE A DROP A, LIQUOR STORE OR A DROP IN MARKETPLACE.
OR A SMOKE SHOP. YEAH. OR SMOKE. WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MARKET'S GOING TO COME TO US WITH.
NO PARKING. BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING. THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OUT. AND THEN THE COUNCIL PERSON THAT TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT CAN FIGHT FOR IT ON THE FLOOR. YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, IF THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE INTENTION IS WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GOOD DEVELOPMENT THE WAY WE WANT IT SITE PLANNED.
BUT YOU KNOW, SOME DEVELOPMENT WHICH WE'RE NOT GETTING NOW, RIGHT? SO WE, WE DON'T WANT TO LIKE, OH NO PARKING REQUIRED.
AND IT'S LIKE, WELL WE NEED A FEW SPACES. WELL THEY, YOU KNOW, THEN WE HIT THEM WITH ANOTHER REGULATION THAT IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IMPEDE A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING. AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW.
SO WE JUST WANT TO THEN TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP AND THEN OKAY, WELL IF YOU'VE GOT GOOD REASONS FOR HAVING IT IN FRONT, LET'S HEAR THEM. AND IF THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACTUALLY, WE CAN CONDITION THAT THEY DO.
SURE. GO AHEAD. YEAH. COMMISSIONER CONROY. YEAH.
SEAN. I'M IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT EVENTUALLY.
MAYBE THIS WAS ALREADY SOLVED. BUT WE NEED A PUBLIC ABOVE GROUND LOT AND ASKING BUSINESSES.
AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE PARKING UNDERGROUND FOR SAFETY REASONS OR WHATEVER ELSE.
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SO I'M JUST, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM PLAN OR IDEA FOR AN EVENTUAL LARGE PARKING STRUCTURE OR 2 ALONG THIS CORRIDOR? YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, AND WE HOPE WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM, THAT WE NEED IT THAT'S REALLY THERE. AND THEY ARE PLANNING.THEY KNOW IT'S IN THE IN THE TOOL CHEST IF THEY START SEEING TURNOVER OKAY.
WE GOT TO START. WE GOT TO. MAYBE IT'S A PARKING IN LIEU FEE.
WE CAN'T JUST GIVE AWAY NO PARKING. WE SAY THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING AND, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE IT IF YOU KICK INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT FUND. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF STRATEGIES THEN TO START ACCUMULATING FUNDS, YOU KNOW, PARKING METERS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF THAT.
THE COUNCIL IT'S WITHIN THE AACAP. AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PLAN FOR CITY PARKING LOTS NOW, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AND IT'S ON THE TABLE, BUT THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY THEY'RE SAYING THAT YES, WE WILL, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A REASON TO DO IT AND WE NEED TO START GETTING.
WE JUST GAVE THE REASON. WHAT THAT? IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT THINKING IT'S GOING TO WORK, OTHERWISE DON'T BOTHER. AND IF IT WORKS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE PARKING SOMEDAY.
PLAN FOR WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE NOW. YOU MADE A GREAT CASE FOR THIS.
WHY THAT CAN'T ALL BE PART OF THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTION IS BEYOND ME.
WELL, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE. BUT WE. NO PARKING IN THE FRONT, AND NO FAST FOOD, NO DRIVE THRUS AND CONTINGENCY PLANNING FOR PARK, FOR LARGE SCALE CITY OWNED PARKING IN THE FUTURE WHEN DEMAND REQUIRES IT.
HOW HARD IS THAT? THAT GOES IN THERE. EXCUSE ME? THAT GOES. I'M SORRY. OKAY. ARE YOU TALKING OVER ME OR AM I TALKING OVER YOU? JUST TAKE YOUR TURN. TAKE IT. BUT WAIT TILL SOMEONE STOPS TALKING.
THEN TAKE YOUR TURN AND LET CHAIRMAN CALL ON YOU.
MR. BOSWELL, PLEASE CONTINUE. OKAY. YOU FINISH YOUR.
I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT. OKAY. BOTH OF THEM.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO TWO THINGS. ONE, I KNOW MR., COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
YOU HAD A POINT. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY I MEAN, WHAT YOU MENTIONED TOO, ABOUT THE PLANNING FOR PARKING AHEAD IS BASICALLY SOMETHING I KNOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN ENTERTAINING. RIVIERA VILLAGE WITH THE TRIANGLE PARKING LOT. THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE VILLAGE HAS BEEN LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY PAY FOR AND ACTUALLY SOLICITED KIND OF BIDS AT ONE POINT TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST IF THEY ACTUALLY DID DO THAT AT SOME POINT. SO TO YOUR POINT, THEY'RE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. MAYBE AGAIN, HOW WE DO THAT HERE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. WE JUST MAKE A, WE JUST PUT IT IN THERE.
RIGHT. JUST ADD IT TO THE RESOLUTION AS WE ALWAYS [INAUDIBLE] PLANNING COMMISSION.
VERY WELL. AND COMMISSIONER GADDIS, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
OKAY. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT IN THE GPAC.
THE POINTS YOU'RE RAISING. FIRST YOU'RE A BIT FOCUSED ON UNDERGROUND PARKING.
AND PLUS, IT'S IT WAS SOME UNGODLY NUMBER, LIKE $1 MILLION OF SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND WE CONTEMPLATED SOMETHING LIKE GROUND LEVEL PARKING UNDER THE POWER LINES.
BUT SO THAT WENT IN SUBSEQUENT. BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE ROOM.
AND ALSO ANOTHER SPOT THAT WE, TWO SPOTS THAT WE IDENTIFIED, ONE WAS BEHIND THE POST OFFICE.
THERE'S THAT LOT THERE AND THAT'S AN OLD POST OFFICE, BLAH, BLAH.
AND YOU CAN PUT A PARKING RAMP IN THERE WITH A LIBRARY.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY AN OPTION THAT WE CONSIDERED.
HERE'S ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE TIMING OF ALL THIS AND WHY THE CONSTRAINTS ON PARKING ARE EXTREMELY LIKELY NOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A SUDDEN ISSUE OF NEED.
THESE PROPERTIES ONE REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REVITALIZED TO DATE IS THAT THEY'RE NOT OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS FOR THE MOST PART. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM WERE PURCHASED 60 OR 70 YEARS AGO BY INDIVIDUALS, AND THEY'RE NOW OWNED BY FAMILY TRUSTS WHO HAVE VERY LITTLE INCENTIVE TO PUT MONEY INTO THE PROPERTIES,
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FIRST OF ALL, AND SECOND OF ALL, AREN'T VERY GOOD AT MAKING DECISIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE.AND, YOU KNOW, NOT MUCH INTO THE THOUGHT OF, HEY, LET'S, YOU KNOW, NOT TAKE ANY INCOME FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND INVEST BACK IN THE PROPERTY, THAT REALLY ISN'T ON THE TABLE. AND IT TAKES THE FULL DECISION POWER OF THE BENEFICIARIES OF THESE TRUSTS TO ACTUALLY VOTE, TO SELL THE PROPERTY. AND THEN THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DECISION THAT IS MADE NOT BY ONE PERSON, BUT BY A SLEW OF PEOPLE, MANY OF WHOM MAY NOT GET ALONG OR ARE HARD TO GET A HOLD OF, OR, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN QUICKLY.
RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR ISSUE FOR THE MOST PART ON THIS, BUT ANYWAY.
IS IT GOING TO COME FROM EMINENT DOMAIN? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS.
YES IT IS. AND WHERE THE POST OFFICE IS, I SEE THE AREA YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
DOES, THE POST OFFICE LIKELY LEASES THAT SPACE? I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY. IT'S MAINLY USED BY THE CONDOS ON THE STREET BEHIND IT.
YEAH. AND THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE JUST EAST OF THE POST OFFICE.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING. I THINK THEY DO LEASE THAT PROPERTY, THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHO OWNS THAT. SOMEONE OWNS IT.
AND SOMEDAY THE CITY IS GOING TO NEED TO BUY THAT.
YEAH. WELL, LIKE, AS YOU SAID. THERE'S NOT OTHER ANOTHER LARGE PIECE OF.
WELL, THERE'S LAND LIKE THAT AROUND. WHAT IS IT? THAT GROCERY STORE? GROCERY OUTLET. GROCERY OUTLET.
RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. GROCERY OUTHOUSE. SO THEY HAVE THAT ENORMOUS LOT, AND IT WAS EMPTY.
THE STORE WAS EMPTY WHEN. ALBERTSONS. ALBERTSONS CLOSED THERE.
RIGHT? FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS BECOMING.
IT WAS BLIGHTED. A BLIGHTED PROPERTY, REALLY? IN THE CITY, I THINK. I THINK TWISTED SOME ARMS. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, THE FAMILY THAT WEEDS GROWN IN THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S A DEPRECIATED ASSET. THEY DIDN'T REALLY CARE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO ADD THAT TO THE RESOLUTION.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE STRIKING? DO WE WANT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THEY WANT TO BRING IT THE PARKING UP FRONT OR WE JUST WANT TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PARKING ON THE SIDEWALK.
HOW DOES THE REST OF YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS? I THINK IT SHOULD BE A NO.
NO, WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE]. PROHIBITED. YES. HOW'S THAT PROHIBITED IN THE FRONT LISTED LOTS ALREADY.
SO YOU HAVE. YOU DON'T WANT TO WIND UP WITH ARTESIA EVENTUALLY TURNED IT INTO A GIANT STRIP MALL.
OH, YEAH, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT FRONT PARKING WILL CREATE.
AND WE BACK. COMMISSIONER LIGHT. YEAH. THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THAT I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER ON THAT IS A FOOD MART, A PREFERRED PROPERTY OR BUSINESS ON THAT CORRIDOR? IF SO, I COULD SEE THAT. I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE WITHOUT PARKING IN FRONT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT IT, FRONT PARKING.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT I WOULD.
WE DID APPROVE THAT FOOD. WHAT DID YOU DO? THE ONE AT THE GAS STATION? NO, NO, IT WAS THE. IT WAS LIKE A RESTAURANT AND A GROCERY STORE.
RIGHT. WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF HOW MANY DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS? I THINK UP TO 15 OR SO.
YEAH, YEAH. AND AND THEIR LOT IS UNDERGROUND.
THEIR PARKING IS UNDERGROUND. IT'S A BIGGER, MUCH BIGGER.
THEY NEED THE SPACE. YES. YEAH. SO, WOULD THAT FOOD MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARK IN THE REAR? IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THEY COULDN'T? WELL, THERE IS ONE NOW.
THE STREET UP FROM BROGINO'S HAS A 7-ELEVEN OR SOMETHING.
OH, YEAH. AND PARKING IN REAR. IT'S ALWAYS IN FRONT.
IT'S IN FRONT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S ON A CORNER.
RIGHT. SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR FOOD MART AND THEY WOULD SAY, OH, WOW.
YEAH THAT'S TRUE. YOU SAY FOOD MART, IS THAT A GROCERY STORE OR IS THAT.
THE COMBINATION LIKE A 7-ELEVEN. LIKE CONVENIENCE STORE? CONVENIENCE STORE, YES. OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] LIQUOR STORE THAT WE OKAY 6 MONTHS AGO.
THEY HAVE THE PARKING IN THE REAR. NO, NO, WE DIDN'T OKAY IT, THOUGH.
THE OTHER ONE WE DID. OH, THE OTHER ONE. OH, OKAY.
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OH, OKAY. THAT ONE WE DID OKAY. OKAY. SO HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL? HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT THAT SUGGESTION? SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING. NOT HAVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.IT HAS TO BE IN THE BACK OR NOT AT ALL, ACTUALLY IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENT TO PUT PARKING IN.
AND THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION? RIGHT.
EVERYONE KNOWS GRANDFATHERED IN. RIGHT. YEAH.
I THINK OVERALL WE ALL FEEL THAT. I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
I SEE A LOT OF NODDING HEADS. SO I THINK. ANYBODY NOT.
I GUESS AND ANYBODY DOESN'T LIKE THAT IDEA? OKAY.
CAN WE STRIKE THAT THEN JOHN. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE.
BUT IT WAS A COUNCIL PERSON THAT ASKED ME TO LOOK AT IT.
FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY, SO CAN WE. BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON.
PAGE FIVE. COUNCILMAN. I THINK WE STRIKE THOSE.
SO WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING? ONLY STRIKE THE B, WHICH WOULD SAY ON PAGE FIVE, IT WOULD SAY EXCEPTION ADMINISTRATION USE PERMIT. ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT.
THE PLACEMENT OF OFF-STREET PARKING IN THE FRONT.
I THINK WE STRIKE THAT WHOLE THING. IT'S UNDERLINED AND THEN WE STRIKE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO.
YEAH. SO, SO B AND C AND JUST ALL THAT. YEAH.
OKAY. B AND C. YEAH. BEFORE WE CONTINUE, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
I DID. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'LL DO SO.
OH, YEAH. SORRY. HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. SECOND. ALL IN AGREEMENT.
LET'S GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE THERESA MITCHELL, I BELIEVE.
PATIENTLY WAITING I WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, IN FACT. YEAH.
YEAH. HI. MY NAME IS THERESA MITCHELL. I LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR.
SO SPECIFICALLY RESEARCHING PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH DON SHOUP, WHO DID COLORADO BOULEVARD.
SO IT'S SOMETHING I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH. SO I JUST WANTED TO COME TO EXPRESSLY SUPPORT THAT.
THERE'S TWO OTHER THINGS, LIKE WE SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE IT WALKABLE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED IT IS ELIMINATING THE DRIVE THRUS, AND THE SECOND WOULD BE TO PUT A MAXIMUM OF A MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTH OF LIKE A SINGLE DRIVEWAY OF 15FT, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY WALKING DOWN AVIATION AND I HAVE A THREE YEAR OLD DOG.
SO I DO A LOT OF WALKING. SOME OF THE CURB CUTS ARE 50 OR 50FT OR 250 OR 200FT.
SO LIKE YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET IN ON A DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME.
SO THE CARS JUST PULL DIRECTLY INTO A PARKING SPACE.
THEY DON'T EVEN GO INTO A DRIVEWAY AND CIRCULATE.
THEY JUST DRIVE RIGHT INTO YOU. SO TO BE MORE LIKE, JUST FOR MORE SAFETY AND, AND TO ALLOW MORE SIDEWALKS AND MORE CURB PARKING IS JUST REDUCE THOSE DRIVEWAYS. SO, 15FT. 15FT, I THINK THAT'S A SINGLE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THE PARKING STANDARD REQUIREMENT THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS FOR SINGLE DRIVEWAY. I MEAN, THAT WOULD MEAN IF YOU WANTED TO EXIT THAT PARKING LOT, YOU'D HAVE, AND SOMEONE WAS COMING IN, YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO GET IN BEFORE YOU CAME OUT.
TWO CARS FIT IN 15FT? I DON'T THINK SO. BOTH DIRECTIONS.
YEAH. TINY ONE'S. COMING AND GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
YEAH, BUT USUALLY WITH THE WITH THE CURB CUT OF 15FT.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE WINGS. SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A WIDER, YOU HAVE A WIDER.
TWO CARS TRAVERSE THIS WIDTH AT THE SAME TIME.
YEAH. BUT THERE'S NOT OFTEN THAT HAPPENING. I MEAN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN.
AND AS A DEVELOPER, IF I DON'T HAVE TO BUILD PARKING, I'M NOT GOING TO BUILD PARKING.
THEY'RE 25 FOOT LOTS ON AVIATION, 25 BY 90, SO IT'S EVEN SMALLER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE SOMETHING LIKE SHE HAD SAID ABOUT PIER AVENUE, SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE.
IS DELIVERY. IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT MOTION TO EXTEND.
SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SO, I MEAN, WITH THESE BUSINESSES, TAKE THEIR DELIVERY OF GOODS IN THE BACK, OR WOULD THE TRUCKS BE STOPPING ON ARTESIA? IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL ON THE BACK.
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EITHER CONDOS OR APARTMENTS, HIGHER DENSITY. GENERALLY WHAT WE SEE EVEN NOW IS EITHER LOADING ZONES OR THEY DOUBLE PARK OR THEY USE THE SIDE STREETS. IT'S ALWAYS ON THE STREET.IT'S ALWAYS ON THE STREET. IT'S NOT EVEN BIG ENOUGH.
THERE'S. IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A TRUCK TO TURN DOWN AT ALL.
SO IT'S ALWAYS ON THE STREET. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE PULL DOWN.
THE CURB, BY NARROWING THE 50 FOOT CURB CUT. WE'VE JUST PICKED UP 1 OR 2 MORE PARKING SPACES ON.
AT LEAST TWO MORE STREET PARKING SPACES. YEAH.
AND YOU NOW HAVE A SIDEWALK WITH A WIDTH THAT YOU CAN PUT A STREET TREE, YOU CAN PUT A BIKE RACK, YOU CAN PUT UP SEATING THERE. IT'S JUST MUCH MORE CONDUCIVE TO PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
SO SPECIFY 15 FOOT MAXIMUM CURB CUTS, RIGHT? YEP.
DRIVEWAY CURB CUT. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I THINK THE STUDY SHOWED THERE'S 22,000 PEOPLE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF AVIATION.
THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T WALKING RIGHT NOW.
AND TO BE HONEST, LIKE WE MENTIONED, LIKE ON THE ARTESIA, WE JUST WALKED A PIER AVENUE.
AND I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT 15FT, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE JUST HAD OUR THEY CALLED IT A DRIVEWAY APRON REDONE.
IT'S, WE DOUBLE SIZED OURS. BUT IT DOES ALSO, LIKE I SAY, HAVE THE WING.
SO YOU'RE NOT COUNTING THAT THE WINGS ON THE PARKING STANDARDS FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
IT'S IT'S 15FT FOR THE ACTUAL DRIVEWAY AND THEN THE.
AND THEN THE WINGS DON'T COUNT. OKAY. THAT'S A PRETTY.
YEAH. BECAUSE WITH THAT BUFFER OF THE WINGS, YOU STILL HAVE ROOM.
A FEW FEET ON THE SIDE. BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AS WELL.
AND THEN WE ALSO DO HAVE QUITE A FEW BIG PARKING LOTS.
WE HAVE THE BIG LOTS THAT JUST CLOSED, WHICH IS A BIG PARKING LOT THAT'S EMPTY.
SO THAT'S A BIG PARKING LOT THAT'S AVAILABLE.
AS YOU MENTIONED, THE POST OFFICE, THE LIBRARY, AND THEN THE GALLERIA.
I WAS THINKING OF THE BIG LOTS, BUT THE BIG LOTS ARE THEY'RE LIKE WALKABLE RESTAURANTS.
SO THEY HAVE THE ITALIAN PLACE RIGHT THERE AND LIKE A JACK IN THE BOX ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S, IT'S ALL IN HERMOSA. OCEAN CAFE. THERE'S THE.
YEAH, THERE'S A SUSHI PLACE. THERE'S A NOODLE PLACE.
IN FACT, GEORGIA'S THEIR PARKING IS HALF A BLOCK AWAY BEHIND ANOTHER.
MOTION TO EXTEND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SORRY. GEORGIA'S IS THAT WALKABLE FROM THE SMART & FINAL? GEORGIA'S IS ON. AVIATION. IT'S AVIATION JUST BY THE BIKE SHOP NEAR GRANT.
YEAH. YEAH. SO, YEAH. IT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT WALKABLE FROM THE BIG LOTS.
IT IS. FROM BIG LOTS, IT IS. IT IS. YEAH. IT'S ONLY.
IT'S ONLY A. IT'S A QUARTER MILE FROM PROSPECT TO GRANT AND THAT'S 100% WALKABLE.
SO THERE'S. YEAH, THAT'S A VERY, VERY WALKABLE.
SO BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, WOULD YOU AGREE THEN THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ZERO PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN IDENTIFYING PARKING LOT LOCATIONS? I THINK HONESTLY, THE FIRST PRIORITY I WOULD SAY WOULD BE CROSSWALKS FIRST, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PROMOTE WALKABILITY. SO PUT THINGS IN THAT MAKE IT WALKABLE.
SO A CROSSWALK. THE CROSSWALK ALONE. A SIGNAL TYPE LIKE IN HERMOSA.
UH?. SIGNAL TYPE, LIKE IN HERMOSA WHERE IT LITERALLY THE GROUND LIGHTS UP AND STUFF.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S A QUARTER MILE BETWEEN CROSSWALKS.
AND SO PEOPLE WILL WALK A QUARTER TO A HALF A MILE.
SO IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE THEN NOW TO CROSS THE STREET YOU'RE GOING AROUND.
SO IT CUTS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN HALF THAT.
NOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. THEY'RE STAYING ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET, AND WE WANT THEM TO GO EVERYWHERE. THAT SLOWS DOWN TRAFFIC. YEAH, RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MID-BLOCK CROSSWALKS.
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RIGHT. A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE CROSSWALKS. INTERESTING.WELL, IT'S THERE'S, ALL KINDS OF INTERSECTIONS THAT NEED CROSSWALKS AND REDONDO THAT DON'T HAVE THEM, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE OUR GOAL OF MAKING THAT MORE WALKABLE.
AND AVIATION IN PARTICULAR IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT THOROUGHFARE.
THE MOTION TO EXTEND? SECOND. SORRY. YEAH. BUT YEAH, BUT.
TAKE SEAN SEAT, WILL YOU? NO, NO. I DON'T WANT THAT JOB.
OH, SEAN. WE'RE TEASING. BUT I DO THINK. BUT I DO THINK THAT AVIATION IN PARTICULAR, IT DOESN'T, SLOWING THAT DOWN DOESN'T INHIBIT PARKING.
THERE'S STILL PEOPLE CAN STILL GO AVIATION TO PCH.
THE BIGGER TRUCKS ALREADY DO, THE FASTER TRAFFIC ALREADY DOES.
SO AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF ACCOMMODATIONS OF DIAGONAL PARKING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHIFTING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE AND DOING DIAGONAL PARKING, WHICH GIVES A LITTLE BIT, GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE.
A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH, QUITE A BIT MORE. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL SEEMS ESPECIALLY WITH THE AACAP.
THE AACAP IS FANTASTIC AND IT HAS A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH. AND THAT ALONE CREATES SO MUCH VALUE IN THE LAND WHEN YOU CAN BUILD A BIGGER PLACE, THAT SOMETIMES THOSE TRUSTS THAT THE FAMILY IS SITTING ON WHEN THAT NUMBER GETS THAT MUCH MORE VALUABLE, THEN THEY START PAYING ATTENTION. OKAY. AND HOW ABOUT THE SETBACKS TO MAKE THE SIDEWALKS WIDER? BASICALLY, BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY NARROW. YEAH.
SO EVEN GOING TO THE 1.5 FAR. THOSE LOTS, I DID THE MATH ON IT.
THE, AS A TWO STORY IT'S ONLY LIKE 1.8 STORIES.
MOTION TO EXTEND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SO THERE'S ALREADY ROOM TO MAKE THAT FRONT BIGGER.
EVEN MAXING OUT THE FAR AND THE SIDE. WHAT'S REQUIRED, I GUESS, IS THE QUESTION.
THAT'S REQUIRED. WELL, THE SETBACK IS FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS AT THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? SO THE. FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND THEN THERE'S A FIVE FOOT SIDE.
YEAH, I THINK. SPACE. ARTESIA NEEDS TO GO TO ROOFTOP DINING.
BUT SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE SOMEHOW MAKE THE ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, MORE, A WIDER ARTESIA CORRIDOR BY HAVING A LARGER THAN FIVE FOOT SINCE WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
BUT OUTDOOR SEATING CAN GO IN. A BIGGER SETBACK.
I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT OUTDOOR SEATING CAN GO WITHIN THE SETBACK.
YOU JUST CAN'T BUILD THE BUILDINGS. YOU ALREADY HAVE IT.
YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT. THERE ISN'T? YEAH. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS.
NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR SIDEWALK DINING. THAT TRAFFIC.
WE WANTED TO. BUT IF YOU GET RID OF THE TRUCK.
OH. I'M SORRY. ROOFTOP. OH. GO AHEAD. IF YOU GET RID OF THE BIG DRIVEWAYS AND YOU DON'T, AND THERE'S A CAR PARKED ON THE ROAD, AND YOU HAVE A STREET TREE, THEN. YEAH, IT IS NICE TO SIT THERE.
THERE'S NO PHYSICAL BUFFER THAT THAT BLOCKS THE STREET.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A CURB THAT THAT'S A SOLID CURB AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT, THAT THERE'S A CAR PARKED NOW YOU HAVE A BUFFER, IT TURNS INTO MORE LIKE A, NOT NECESSARILY PIER AVENUE, BUT MORE LIKE ALONG LIKE THE MANHATTAN, LIKE WAS IT MANHATTAN OR HERMOSA AVE, THAT ARE PARALLEL TO THE STRAND THERE? THE. OH, YEAH. YOU KNOW. SO THOSE HAVE VERY NARROW SIDEWALKS AND THEN THEY'VE BEEN USING THE PARKLETS.
BUT THERE IS OUTSIDE DINING AND IT'S VERY ACTIVE.
I MEAN, IT HELPS THAT IT'S ONE, ONE BLOCK OFF.
A LOT OF THAT WAS PARKING SPACES THAT THEY TOOK OVER AT COVID TO HAVE OUTDOOR DINING.
YEAH. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A LOT OF BASICALLY WHERE THE LOWER FLOOR, THEY JUST OPEN.
IT'S INSIDE, BUT THEN THEY OPEN IT UP.
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JUST NORTH OF PIER AVENUE. ON HERMOSA, LIKE ACROSS FROM.YEAH. AND IT CHANGES ALL THE TIME. BUT THEY, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE THAT, THAT IT'S THAT OUTDOOR DESIGN AND EVEN ON PIER AVENUE, I THINK IT'S LIKE THE CREPERIA WHERE IT'S, IT'S OUTDOOR, IT'S INDOOR DINING, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY.
CREME DE LA CREPE. CREAM DE LA CREPE. AND THEN ROCKEFELLER HAS THE BIG OPEN WINDOWS SO THAT THEY HAVE, EVEN WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PARKLET, THEY STILL HAD THE OPEN WINDOWS.
SO YOU'RE STILL GETTING THAT OUTDOOR DINING EXPERIENCE.
ACROSS THE STREET AGAIN. THEY TOOK OVER PARKING SPACES.
SO YOU HAVE A HOOK & PLOW, AND THE NEW MEXICAN PLACE.
OH, IT'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVE RIGHT OF WAY PLANS WITHIN THE AACAP.
SO IT'S YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS AGAIN IT'S KIND OF A NEXT STEP THERE.
THE AS YOU KNOW WE'VE JUST BEGUN TO IMPLEMENT THE AACAP, IT'S.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE. WE TOOK AWAY THE PROHIBITION FOR OFFICE ON THE GROUND FLOOR ON THE BOULEVARD.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST BEGUN TO ROLL OUT THE MULTIPLE STRATEGIES.
AND THEN YOU SAW IN THAT ONE SLIDE ALL THE DIFFERENT OTHER CATEGORIES THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT ROOFTOP DINING AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT AND ETC..
SO PARKING THIS NOW WE'RE TAKING PARKING ALL THE WAY.
WE'RE GOING OKAY. WE'RE NOT PLAYING AROUND. WE'RE JUST GOING TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. AND AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OPTIONS.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, ON THE TABLE AND WAITING TO GO TO.
AND THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
THE OPTIONS FOR I DON'T KNOW IF IT CALLS FOR IT MIGHT HAVE DIAGONAL.
THERE'S ELIMINATING IT ENTIRELY, ETCETERA. SO THAT YEAH, IT'S OUT THERE.
WELL VERY GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. NEXT TIME WE'LL HAVE YOU GIVE A PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.
DOES. SO WHEN AACAP CAME IN FRONT OF US IT DID NOT ALLOW FAST FOOD, DRIVE THRUS, DRIVE THRUS.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE THAT OUT? SO BASICALLY ALLOW.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ALLOW FAST FOOD DRIVE THRUS? I MEAN, THEY'RE ALLOWED. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION IN AACAP THAT THEY NOT BE ALLOWED.
AND THEN, FOR SOME, HOW IT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE IT.
IT PROHIBITS FAST FOOD AND DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS IN THE AACAP.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN ENFORCE IT. IT CONFLICTS WITH THE LAND USE TABLE THAT SAYS THEY CAN, AND THAT'S MORE SO. SO IT'S ALLOWED FAST FOOD AND DRIVE THRU, IT IS ALLOWED.
BUT WE DIDN'T ALLOW IT TO HAVE A YOU KNOW, THE REDUCED PARKING LIKE OTHER RESTAURANT USES.
DRIVE THRU HAS TO HAVE PARKING. IN THE FIRST PAGE, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HELD A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN. SO. AND THE LAND USE ELEMENT UPDATE. SO BASICALLY, WE'RE ABOUT.
THE GENERAL PLAN WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, RIGHT? TO VOTE ON THAT. SURE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT THAT WOULD NEED.
RIGHT. ISN'T THAT WHERE THAT WOULD GO? THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD GO.
I HATE TO SAY, OH, WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
WELL, THE GENERAL PLAN IS BEING REVIEWED, RIGHT? OH, TOTALLY. YEAH. NO, THERE'S WHEN WE GET INTO LAND USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING NEXT.
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WHEN WE UPDATE THE LAND USE ELEMENT, THERE COULD BE A POLICY SAYING NO DRIVE THROUGH.OKAY. SO WE CAN DO THAT THEN WHEN YOU COME IN FRONT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP THIS IN. YOU WANT TO KEEP IT? OKAY? I MEAN, YOU CAN RECOMMEND THAT. BUT IF WE DO THAT SEAN, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? IS THAT IT'S GOING TO GET DROPPED IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
NO, NO, I. I'M AFRAID THAT IF WE DON'T STRIKE THIS OUT OF HERE AND WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT WAS.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD GET INTO WHAT THE APPROPRIATE LAND USES ARE.
AND WE WILL. YEAH. YEAH. YOUR PARKING REGULATIONS SHOULDN'T BE WHERE YOU PROHIBIT A LAND USE.
IT'S. I DON'T KNOW. THAT WAS WEIRD TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
BUT THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING REMOVE IT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO.
NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. NO. HAVE TO. YEAH. NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
EXACTLY. NO. I'VE ALREADY WRITTEN THAT DOWN. OKAY.
THANK YOU. THAT WAS ABOUT IT. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE? DOES ANYBODY THE FAST FOOD. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THE 15 FOOT THING? I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THE FAST. I CAN TELL YOU OUR MINIMUM STANDARD FOR TWO WAY DRIVEWAYS IS 18FT.
OKAY, WE'LL MAKE IT 18 IF THAT'S. I MEAN THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR STANDARDS.
OKAY. TO DO THAT. THEN WHERE DID THE 15 FOOT COME BEFORE ALL THAT.
15 FOOT. OH THAT'S JUST A FURTHER YOU KNOW, THE SPEAKER'S POINT IS, YOU KNOW, HEY THAT'S YOU KNOW, TAKE IT AS LOW AS NARROW AS YOU CAN GO. I MEAN, YOU COULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU KNOW, BUT OUR STANDARD THAT WE HAVE NOW MINIMUM IS 18FT, BUT THERE'S NO MAXIMUM. THERE. I THINK YOUR POINT WAS THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE MORE THAN 50.
AND DOES THAT MEASURE THAT MEASURES THE FLAT PART IN THE MIDDLE.
YEAH. JUST THE FLAT PART. WITH THE WINGS, IT'S, THE MINIMUM IS 30FT.
HOW DO YOU FEEL? SEAN. ABOUT 15 VERSUS 18. 15 VERSUS 18.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S CERTAINLY AGAIN IT SPEAKS TO MINIMIZING DRIVEWAYS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, BEING LESS CAR FRIENDLY AND MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BELOW, I WOULD SAY THE 18FT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT MINIMUM AND THEN MAYBE RECOMMEND THAT THERE'S A LESSER APRON MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKE THAT UP TO LIKE 22FT OR SOMETHING OR 24FT.
SO YOU HAVE LIKE A FOUR FOOT, SO YOU'D ADD 8 FEET, SO YOU'D GO TO 26FT.
WHICH IS IT'S NOT MUCH LESS THAN THE 30, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE A, IF YOU'VE GOT 15FT AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED AT LEAST 3 OR 4 ON EACH SIDE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET UP OVER 20 ANYWAY. YEAH.
OKAY. I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SO WE COULD PUT 15 AND.
YOU CAN PUT 15. AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT THEY, CITY COUNCIL CAN CHANGE.
THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO A WHOLE ANOTHER SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT.
YEAH. BECAUSE IT ADDS PARKING, STREET PARKING FOR ONE.
SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW WORKING ON OUR TREE COVER.
OKAY. SO WE HAD THAT. AND THEN CAN WE PUT SOMETHING WHERE WE WANT TO ADD CROSSWALKS.
OR IS THAT OFF. THAT'S NOT. WELL IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW.
OKAY. I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW. WE CAN SUGGEST A COUNCIL.
YOU CAN SUGGEST THOUGH. YEAH. NO, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF IN THE AACAP ABOUT THE MOBILITY AND BIKE LANES AND ADDITIONAL CROSSWALKS, ET-CETERA. THEY'RE GOING TO WHEN THEY GET INTO THE INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT.
AS AN IMPLEMENTATION OF AACAP, THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES FOR. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHEN IT STARTS TO ACTUALLY REDEVELOP, REDEVELOP AND REVITALIZE TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE REALLY INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES.
MAYBE SOME OF THESE TRUSTS ARE GOING TO START LOOKING.
THERE'S NOT ONE. AND PROPERTY VALUES OF ALL THE HOMES THAT SURROUND IT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, AND ONCE ARTESIA AND AVIATION GET FIXED IT'S A WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY GOES UP. YEAH. SHOULD WE, CAN WE START WORKING ON.
YEAH. WHY DON'T WE START? WE GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS HERE.
IT'S LIKE FLUSHING IT OUT. WORKING ON THE RESOLUTION. YEAH.
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I MEAN, IT WILL BE, WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL COMPILE ALL YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN THOSE WILL JUST BE A COMPONENT OF THE ORDINANCE THAT GOES TO THE COUNCIL, AND WE'LL JUST BREAK THEM DOWN. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DESCRIBE THE MEETING AND WE'LL JUST LIST OUT ALL YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.WHICH ONE HAS THE MOST POWER THOUGH? OH, WELL, I MEAN.
ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO EDIT RIGHT NOW THERE SEAN? NO, THAT'S NOT IT. NO. I THINK YOU KNOW, IT'S.
I THINK IT THEN, IS HARDER TO WE'LL IT'S HARDER TO PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL.
I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE.
WE WOULDN'T PUT DRIVEWAY WITH REQUIREMENTS IN THE PARKING REGULATIONS FOR ARTESIA.
WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A WHOLE NOTHER SECTION, I GUESS, IS WHAT WE WOULD DO.
AND IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD WRITE IT UP AS AN ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, WE'D MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE A LOT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND FOR COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AND INSTEAD OF A WHOLE ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING RECRAFTED BY THIS BODY.
YEAH, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT, HOW DO WE. WE HAVE TO EITHER, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS RESOLUTION, RIGHT? RIGHT. AS IT STANDS, I COULDN'T VOTE ON IT.
THIS WOULD BE A NO. AS IT STANDS. SO THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO VOTE IS IF WE TAKE OUT ALL THIS STUFF THAT'S IN HERE, HOW ELSE AM I GOING TO SUPPORT IT? THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IN THE PAST.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT, YOU ITEMIZE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE, AND YOU'LL ONLY APPROVE IT WITH THOSE CHANGES.
YES. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO BASICALLY I HAVE AN APPENDIX THAT LISTS THE CHANGES.
OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S START. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THERE SEAN, OR SHOULD I JUST GO? WELL YEAH, YOU CAN GO. I'VE GOT MOST OF THEM WRITTEN DOWN ALREADY, BUT GO AHEAD AND.
OKAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO NOT REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE, A PERMIT OR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS TO HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT.
YEAH. ONLY PARKING IN THE REAR. YES. SO IF PROPOSED, ONLY PARKING IN THE REAR.
STRIKE. YOU KNOW, ALL PROVISIONS ALLOWING FOR PARKING IN THE FRONT.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY LIKE GRUBHUB COMES ALONG, HOW DID THEY OF COURSE, WENT UNDERGROUND.
YEAH. AND YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU COULD SAY. OR UNDERGROUND.
OR UNDERGROUND. ONLY PARKING IN THE REAR OR UNDER OR SUBTERRANEAN.
RIGHT. OKAY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT KEEPING, LET'S SEE.
NOT ALLOWING FAST FOOD AND DRIVE THRUS. CORRECT.
NO FAST FOOD OR DRIVE THRUS. PROHIBITED USE.
SHOULD I GO? WHAT'S THAT? OKAY. ARE YOU READY? YES. 15 FOOT CURB CUTS. 15 FOOT CURB CUT OR DRIVE AISLE? I THINK IS DRIVE ASILE. DRIVE, AISLE. I'M SORRY.
YEAH. AND THEN THE ENGINEERS CAN. YEAH. YOU KNOW, DO THE.
ENGINEERING. 15 FOOT. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. PLANNING FOR CONTINGENCY PARKING? RIGHT. LET'S SEE. RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL PLAN FOR CITY PARKING LOTS NOW. BY IDENTIFYING. IDENTIFYING POSSIBLE. BY IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL LOCATIONS. AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT CROSSWALKS LATER.
OR WHEN THAT COMES. I MEAN YOU CAN PUT IT IN.
YOU CAN. YEAH, YOU CAN DEFINITELY PUT IT IN. ADD CROSSWALKS.
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RECOMMEND MORE CROSSWALKS. CROSSWALKS. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT INTERSECTIONS WHERE THEY DON'T EXIST CURRENTLY EXIST.OKAY. AT INTERSECTIONS. I THINK THAT'S IT. WHAT ELSE DO WE TALK ABOUT? YEAH, I DIDN'T HAVE TO. YES. MR. OH, INCREASED SETBACKS.
I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE ELIMINATING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE, THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY. SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE, WE'RE JUST SAYING, WELL, LET'S JUST TAKE AWAY THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN WHEN THERE IS NO PARKING OR THERE'S PARKING BECOMES AN ISSUE.
THEN WE'LL TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF COME UP OR IDENTIFY SOMETHING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS REMOVAL OF PARKING REQUIREMENT.
I AGREE WITH YOU. WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING THERE IN A RECOMMENDATION. BUT I THINK THAT COULD GO IN COMMISSIONER BOSWELL IN THAT SENTENCE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, CONDITION. RIGHT. YOU COULD JUST EXPAND ON HIS RECOMMENDATION.
MORE THAN JUST IDENTIFYING PLACES WHERE CITY PARKING COULD EVENTUALLY BE.
OR. ADDRESSING OR ADDRESSING STUFF LIKE THE. DIAGONAL.
OR EVEN ALLOWED TO. WE MIGHT NOT BE.
THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT EVEN IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO, WOULD WE WANT TO CREATE THE MASSIVE TRAFFIC JAM THAT TAKING OUT HALF THE COMMUTER LANES WOULD CREATE JUST TO HAVE MORE PARKING? WOULD MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, WOULDN'T IT? WELL, IT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY DRIVE DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND VISTA DEL MAR TO. YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO WE COULD SAVE.
YEAH. EVERYONE HAS ACCEPTED WHAT PIER AVENUE IS NOW.
PRELIMINARILY. IDENTIFY WHERE A LOT OR TWO COULD GO.
THAT WAS MY POINT. YEAH. THAT'S YOUR BEST. THAT'S OUR BEST OPTION FOR TEN YEARS OR WHATEVER DOWN THE ROAD TO HAVE SOMETHING ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IN THE HOPPER. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY PARKING HERE OR.
I MEAN, I HAD PUT OUT A SUGGESTION YEARS AGO THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A CIRCULATING TRAM.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT TOO. AT THE GALLERIA, AND IT'S A PARK AND RIDE.
THERE YOU GO. 30 BUSSES. MAYBE WE ADD. 30 RTD BUSSES AS THEY CALL THEM IN THOSE DAYS.
DO THE DIAGONAL PARKING JUST ON AVIATION, ALLOW THAT, AND THEN, I'M THINKING ARTESIA.
BUT MAYBE WE GO WITH THAT AVIATION, ENCOURAGE DIAGONAL PARKING ON AVIATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD DO IT THERE, BECAUSE THAT STREET HAS SO MANY BENDS IN IT. THAT IS.
YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A RACETRACK. PEOPLE GO THERE SO FAST.
IT'S A RACETRACK. THERE'S SO MANY ACCIDENTS WITH PEOPLE JUST WALKING.
AND AGAIN THAT'S. ISN'T THAT THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S THE PUBLIC WORKS STUFF ANYWAY.
OH WE'RE JUST PUT IT ON THAT. WE COULD JUST PAVE IT OVER AND MAKE A PARK.
YEAH, A PARK. ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE. GOT IT. OKAY, SO ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD.
AND THAT IS THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO IT THAT WE'D LIKE COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO CONSIDER WHETHER A LARGER SETBACK OF NEW CONSTRUCTION ON ARTESIA BOULEVARD WOULD BE WOULD PROVE ADVANTAGEOUS TOWARDS THE GOAL OF MAKING IT
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A WALKABLE AREA. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT. I THINK IT DEFINITELY WOULD.YEAH, I THINK IT DID NOT. YEAH. I'M NO TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO.
YEAH. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SLEEP AT A COMFORT INN THE NIGHT BEFORE.
YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S IT. CAN YOU READ THAT SEAN? WHAT'S THAT? CAN YOU READ THE, WHAT WE ADDED JUST TO.
OKAY, SURE. SO RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL PLAN FOR CITY PARKING LOTS NOW IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ELIMINATION OF PARKING AND IDENTIFY BY IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL LOCATIONS AND OTHER.
I'VE GOT PARKING STRATEGIES. WITHIN ARTESIA AND AVIATION BOULEVARD.
OKAY. AACAP. THE INCREASED FRONT SETBACK, DIRECT STAFF TO CONSIDER AND ANALYZE LARGER FRONT SETBACKS. PROHIBIT FAST FOOD AND OR AND OR DRIVE THRU RESTAURANTS. IF PROVIDING PARKING ONLY IN THE REAR.
LET'S SEE, THAT'S ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, CLARIFICATION.
STRIKE B AND C FOR ALLOWING PARKING IN THE FRONT.
MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTH REDUCED TO 15FT FOR TWO WAY.
AND ADD CROSSWALKS WHERE THEY DON'T EXIST ON ARTESIA BOULEVARD.
AND AVIATION. AND AVIATION. AND AVIATION. AND A CROSSWALK.
AND IT'S LIKE A OKAY, I THINK THAT'S.
I THINK SAN PEDRO. YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH, YEAH. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NO. 2025-09-PCR-09 WITH THE ADDITIONS AS READ BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. VOTE.
SORRY. COMMISSIONER LIGHT. AYE. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
NAY. COMMISSIONER YOUNG. AYE. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
AYE. COMMISSIONER CONROY. AYE. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.
YES. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG. AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES.
CONGRATULATIONS. WE DID IT. WELL DONE. AND IT'S NOT MIDNIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. WELL DONE. IT ISN'T.
IT FEELS LIKE IT. THANK YOU. THERESA, PULL UP A CHAIR.
90S TO CURFEW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL HAVE YOU RUN THE MEETINGS.
THAT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU. I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OLD ENOUGH THAT WE CAN BE OKAY.
SO WE NEED TO BE PRETTY. SO I'M WAY OLD. ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE NOW. SO ANY ITEMS CONTINUE FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. JUST RUSHING AROUND. NO ITEMS? ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION. WHERE DO I SAY SOMETHING?
[L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]
THAT'S YOU NOW. NEXT. OKAY. SO NEXT MONTH IS NORMALLY WHEN WE WOULD ELECT A NEW CHAIR.RIGHT. BUT CHAIR CRAIG CAME IN LATE, REMEMBER? BECAUSE SHEILA LEFT. SO SHOULD WE JUST. IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT HE SHOULD JUST CONTINUE ON UNTIL NEXT OCTOBER.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? AND SO THERE WOULD BE NO ELECTION IN OCTOBER SEAN, BECAUSE.
OR DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MOTION OF ELECTING HIM AGAIN OR WHAT? LET ME. YEAH, LET ME CHECK WITH THE CITY CLERK.
NOT EVEN THAT LONG, LIKE MAY. YEAH. AND THEN IF WE KEEP DOING IT EVERY APRIL, WE'VE GONE OFF THE SCHEDULE OF, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OCTOBER. OKAY.
WHO'S OUR VICE CHAIR. AND THE VICE CHAIR WHOEVER.
YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK THE PROCESS YOU HAVE TO ELECT A.
BECAUSE THE WAY IT WORKED. BECAUSE HE WAS VICE CHAIR.
THAT'S FUNNY. WELL, THE PROCESS, I THINK WE HAVE TO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR. CORRECT. YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. THAT'S FINE. YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS ELECTED
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AND ASK SOMEONE ELSE. YEAH. NO. YEAH, I THINK YEAH, WE'LL NEED TO.WE'LL NEED TO AT MINIMUM, VICE CHAIR, ELECT THE CHAIR.
OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'LL BE NEXT TIME. NEXT TIME.
OKAY. ANY ITEMS FROM STAFF? I'M SORRY. OH I'M SORRY.
[M. ITEMS FROM STAFF]
GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONERS. JUMPING. JUMPING. GO AHEAD.OKAY. LET'S CONTINUE. ANY ITEMS FROM STAFF? NO ITEMS AT THIS TIME.
SO THERE'LL BE A LOT COMING ON THAT. AND THAT WILL ALSO FOLLOW QUICKLY BY OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION AND NOISE AND SAFETY ELEMENTS. SO ALL THAT STUFF'S GETTING GETTING GEARED UP AGAIN.
THAT'S THE BIG NEWS IN OUR DEPARTMENT. AND THAT'S REALLY IT.
OKAY. AND ANY COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS.
OH, THAT'S WHEN I'M SUPPOSED TO. YEAH, THAT PROBABLY WAS THERE.
THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY. AND I'D LIKE FOR A FORMAL ADJOURNMENT, AND I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN TONIGHT IN HONOR OF OUR FAVORITE MAYOR, BILL BRAND. TOMORROW WOULD HAVE BEEN HIS BIRTHDAY. HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY. REMEMBER, HIM AND ALL OF US ARE HERE BECAUSE OF HIM.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. YOU'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU SEAN, THAT WAS.
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