YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY. [00:00:09] FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 10TH, 2026. ROLL CALL PLEASE. YES, COMMISSIONER WARWICK? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FALK? HERE. COMMISSIONER COLLER? HERE. COMMISSIONER CHRZAN? HERE. COMMISSIONER BAUER? HERE. COMMISSIONER CARLSON? HERE. AND CHAIR ABELMAN? HERE. WE DO HAVE FULL ATTENDANCE AND CAN CONDUCT BUSINESS. EXCELLENT. CAN WE GET COMMISSIONER CHRZAN? YES. OH, ABSOLUTELY. PUT YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART. I PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, FIRST, APPROVE THE ORDER OF AGENDA. [D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA] A MOTION TO DO SO. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. SO APPROVED. [E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS] BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE. YES, WE DO HAVE ONE BLUE FOLDER ITEM AND IT HAS BEEN EMAILED TO ALL OF YOU. IT WAS PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE WE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL ABOUT LIVE AND AMPLIFIED MUSIC ON RECREATIONAL VESSELS WITHIN THE HARBOR. OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? BEFORE WE VOTE, DO WE, CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? I DON'T THINK WE DISCUSS BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. NO, I THINK IT'S RECEIVE AND FILE. AND WE COULD BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSS. OKAY, BUT DO WE DISCUSS IT? WE DISCUSS IT TONIGHT, THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. WE BRING IT BACK TONIGHT, THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S GOT TO BE ON THE AGENDA. IT'S GOT TO BE ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE JUST RECEIVE AND FILE IN THAT SENSE. AND THEN WE COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A FUTURE MEETING. I GOT IT. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONSENT CALENDAR. [F. CONSENT CALENDAR] APPROVAL OF AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING FOR THE HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 10TH, 2026. AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JULY 13TH, 2026. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS F.1 AND F.2? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. WE ARE CRUISING ALONG HERE. NOTHING FOR G. FOR H, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. [H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS] THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THIS AGENDA FOR ACTION. THIS SECTION IS LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES AND THREE MINUTES ONLY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE NOBODY HERE OR ANY ECOMMENTS? NO PARTICIPANTS IN ZOOM. WE DO HAVE ONE ECOMMENT FROM A REDONDO BEACH RESIDENT, BRIAN STONE, REGARDING AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS IN THE HARBOR AND PIER AREA AND REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSION PLACE THIS TOPIC ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU. DID YOU SAY THEY REQUESTED THAT CAMERAS BE INSTALLED? I CAN READ THE WHOLE ECOMMENT IF IT'S HELPFUL. SO I'M HERE REGARDING THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS THAT WERE RECENTLY EXPANDED IN THE HARBOR AND PIER AREA, AS WELL AS THE BROADER ISSUE OF CONTINUOUS SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS OPERATING IN THE WATERFRONT. THESE CAMERAS CONTINUOUSLY SCAN EVERY VEHICLE THAT PASSES SIMILAR SYSTEMS IN OTHER SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CITIES, INCLUDING LOS ANGELES AND SOUTH PASADENA, HAVE FACED SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH DATA OWNERSHIP, UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS BY OUTSIDE AGENCIES, AND PRIVACY CONCERNS. SEVERAL CITIES HAVE SINCE SUSPENDED OR ENDED THEIR CONTRACTS. I AM NOT ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO SHUT DOWN LEGITIMATE PUBLIC SAFETY TOOLS. I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT CLEAR LOCAL RULES THAT PHASE OUT CONTINUOUS, FIXED ALPR NETWORKS THAT SCAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC WITHOUT SUSPICION, PROHIBIT FACIAL RECOGNITION AND AI ANALYSIS OF PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT PATTERNS UNLESS A PERSON IS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS A PERSON OF INTEREST IN A SPECIFIC INVESTIGATION. REQUIRE JUDICIAL WARRANTS AS THE DEFAULT FOR ANY REMAINING USE. INCREASED TRANSPARENCY THROUGH PUBLIC CAMERA MAPS, AUDIT LOGS, AND INDEPENDENT REVIEW. THE HARBOR COMMISSION HAS A DIRECT INTEREST BECAUSE THESE SYSTEMS OPERATE IN THE AREA UNDER YOUR JURISDICTION. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU PLACE THIS TOPIC ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT STRONGER PRIVACY AND ACCOUNTABILITY [00:05:08] RULES BE DEVELOPED. BRIAN STONE, THANK YOU. THOSE ARE THE FLOCK CAMERAS. YEAH. OKAY. I MISSED THAT KEYWORD IN THE FIRST ONE. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THIS. AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. YES. OKAY. NO EX PARTE. NO PUBLIC HEARINGS. NO ITEMS FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS. [L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION] OKAY. ITEM L, ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION. PUBLIC SAFETY REPORT. YES. SO WE DO QUARTERLY LIKE TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE. SO LAST MONTH WE HAD OUR NEW DEPUTY HARBOR MASTER. AND THIS MONTH WE'RE EXCITED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW PEER SERGEANT. SERGEANT SCOTT MARTIN. HE TOOK OVER THE ROLE IN MAY. SO HE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU JUST ABOUT SOME OF THE STATS AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE WATERFRONT AND WHAT HIS TEAM IS UP TO. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS SCOTT MARTIN. I'M A SERGEANT. I'VE BEEN RECENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE PIER AS THE PIER MARITIME SERGEANT. I WAS APPOINTED IN MAY OF THIS YEAR. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON ME. I'M A 30 YEAR VETERAN OF THE POLICE FORCE. I STARTED IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN 1996. I WORKED THE INMATE RECEPTION CENTER, AND THEN I WORKED TORRANCE COURT. AND THEN IN 2000, APRIL OF 2000, I CAME TO REDONDO BEACH. I'VE WORKED NUMEROUS ASSIGNMENTS WHICH INCLUDE PATROL. I WORKED THE PIER ORIGINALLY AS AN OFFICER FROM 2003 TO 2005. I'VE WORKED OUR UNDERCOVER, GANG, ENFORCEMENT, NARCOTICS, VICE UNIT, I, FROM THERE I WENT TO MOTORS AND I WAS MOTORCYCLE OFFICER FOR THREE YEARS. FROM THERE I WAS APPOINTED TO BE A K-9 OFFICER AND I HAD A K-9 FROM 2011 TO 2018. MY DOG WAS RETIRED IN 2018 AND THEN I WENT TO OUR FRAUD UNIT. I WAS A FRAUD DETECTIVE UNTIL PRETTY MUCH COVID, AND IN 2020, I BECAME OUR TRAFFIC INVESTIGATOR AND I WAS OUR TRAFFIC INVESTIGATOR UNTIL I WAS PROMOTED IN 2024 TO THE RANK OF SERGEANT. SO I HAVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. I COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT FAMILY. MY BROTHER IS A CAPTAIN WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. MY DAD IS A RETIRED DEPUTY SHERIFF WHO BUILT STAR CENTER. SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, BOTH MYSELF AND AS WELL AS MY FAMILY. THAT PRETTY MUCH, I HAVE A 26 PLUS YEAR HISTORY WITH REDONDO. I'VE SEEN EVERY PART OF THIS CITY. I'VE SEEN NEXUSES TO THE CITY, WHICH HAVE BROUGHT ME DOWN TO THE BORDER OF MEXICO ALL THE WAY UP TO NEAR THE FRESNO AREA. AS FAR OUT, ALMOST AS VEGAS. SO REDONDO HAS GIVEN ME A LARGE, LARGE EXPERIENCE HISTORY. AND SO I BRING ALL THAT TO THE PIER. I RECENTLY RETIRED TWO OF MY PIER OFFICERS WHO THEIR STATS LED THE DEPARTMENT, AND I BROUGHT TWO MORE WHO I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT. I DON'T HAVE STATISTICS ON MY LATEST TWO SINCE I BROUGHT THEM IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, BUT I DO KNOW I'VE SPOKEN TO CHRIS KING, WHO'S THE PUBLIC WORKS HARBOR PERSON. AND SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE BREAKAGE OF OUR DECORATIVE BULBS IN THE HORSESHOE PIER AREA BECAUSE, AND I'LL TAKE CREDIT FOR IT BECAUSE OF OUR ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY THAT WE'VE INTRODUCED WITH MY PIER OFFICERS. WE'VE GONE VIRAL TWICE NEGATIVELY AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE WE ARE ZERO TOLERANCE AND WE DO NOT GIVE WARNING SITES FOR OVERHEAD CASTING OR FISHING IN THE NON FISHING AREAS. WE ARE ALSO HEAVILY GOING TOWARDS ENFORCEMENT OF PEOPLE SETTING UP TENTS AND BARBECUING IN THE HORSESHOE AREA, HORSESHOE PIER AREA AND THE MONSTAT PIER AREA. WE AGAIN, WE ARE ZERO TOLERANCE. SO IF YOU WANT TO JUST GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO I'M GOING TO BE TALKING, I JUST INTRODUCED MYSELF. I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT OUR PIER CALLS JUST IN A VERY GENERAL, GENERAL AREA OF NUMBERS. ABOUT OUR ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. HOW WE'RE INVOLVED IN THE WATER POLO PROGRAM AND SOME SPECIAL EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN THE PIER. I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON HOW THOSE ARE GOING, AND THEN I'LL TAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE AND HAVE ME TAKE BACK TO [00:10:03] THE DEPARTMENT. SO IF YOU CAN GO TO NUMBER 2. WE'VE HAD 25, OVER 2,500 CALLS RESPONSES IN THE FROM JANUARY UNTIL JUNE OF THIS YEAR. WE'VE HAD 286 SUBJECT STOPS WHERE OUR OFFICERS HAVE ACTUALLY CONTACTED FOLKS ON THE PIER OR IN THE HARBOR. 17 OF THOSE ARE TRANSIENT STOPS WHERE WE'VE MADE ARRESTS OR BASICALLY MOVE THEM ON FROM SETTING UP THEIR LITTLE CAMPS, WHETHER IT BE IN THE PARKING STRUCTURE OR ONTO THE PIER ITSELF. THAT IS A LOW NUMBER FOR OUR PIER FISHING VIOLATIONS. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT AFTER I FINISHED THE NEXT TWO. 34 FISHING, NON PIER VIOLATIONS WE'VE RESPONDED TO. AND THEN 45 JUVENILE DISTURBANCE CALLS. MOST OF THOSE INVOLVE JUVENILES FISHING IN THE. NO FISHING AREAS OVER THERE NEAR MOONSTONE PARK AS WELL. AND THEN CREATING ISSUES WITH ADULTS OR SECURITY, TRYING TO MOVE THEM ALONG AND THEM NOT BEING COMPLIANT. I'LL DIGRESS BACK TO THE 11 FISHING PIER VIOLATIONS. I KNOW THAT WE'VE PROBABLY WRITTEN TICKETS CLOSE TO 100 OR MORE IN THE LAST THREE, FOUR WEEKS OF PIER FISHING VIOLATIONS. SO MY GUYS ARE EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE. AND LIKE I, I DO WEEKLY VISITS TO ALL THE HARBOR MANAGERS, KING HARBOR MANAGER PORTOFINO. AND I'VE ASKED THEM, I SAID, I'M GOING HEAVY ON THIS. AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU. I'M YOUR RACEHORSE. IF YOU WANT TO PULL THE REINS BACK ON ME, PULL THEM BACK AND I'LL PULL BACK ON HOW WE ENFORCE. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO LET ME RUN, I'M GOING TO RUN. AND I'M GOING TO POLICE OUR WAY OUT OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, MAINLY THE OVERHEAD CASTING ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WHEN I WAS A PEER OFFICER. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, I DIDN'T WRITE A LOT OF THOSE TICKETS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE SILLY. I DIDN'T THINK I DIDN'T BECOME A POLICE OFFICER TO CITE TO GIVE CITATIONS FOR PEOPLE OVER AT CASTING. IT WASN'T UNTIL MY 26TH, 26TH YEAR IN LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE THAT I LEARNED WHY THAT IS AN IMPORTANT VIOLATION THAT WE NEED TO ENFORCE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THOSE BULBS ARE BREAKING 1 TO 2 BULBS A WEEK, WHICH IS A LOSS OF CLOSE TO 85,000 OR MORE TO THE CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO OUR SIGNS AND DOING OVERHEAD CASTING AND BREAKING THOSE BULBS. I HAD NO IDEA. HAD I KNOWN THAT BACK IN 2003, I WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST AS VIGILANT ON WRITING THOSE CITATIONS. MY GUYS ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT, AND BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE DAY SHIFT OFFICERS, THE GRAVEYARD OFFICERS, THEY UNDERSTAND IT THROUGH ME EDUCATING THEM. NOW THEY ARE GOING HEAVY AS WELL. SO AGAIN, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS, NOT ONE BULB HAS BROKEN, AT LEAST BEEN THAT'S BEEN REPORTED TO ME. SO NEXT SLIDE. THE WE HAVE FORMED A, YOU'VE PROBABLY ALREADY LEARNED ABOUT THIS FROM THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE FORMED A COHESIVE UNIT WITH THE HARBOR PATROL. IT'S OUR, IT'S TRULY NOW A FULL SERVICE MARITIME UNIT. WE BRING THE TEETH TO THE HARBOR PATROL. HARBOR PATROL PROVIDES ALL THE EDUCATION, ALL THE RESCUE CAPABILITIES, ALL THE ADVANCED BOATING CAPABILITIES THAT THEY, THAT THEY BRING. WE BRING THE ENFORCEMENT PORTION OF IT. BEFORE US FORMING THIS UNIT, THEY WOULD JUST GIVE PEOPLE WARNINGS. AND AFTER A WHILE, YOU KNOW HOW A WARNING GOES. I JUST OKAY, OKAY, FIRE. AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY MOVE ON, YOU'RE BACK TO DOING WHATEVER VIOLATION YOU WERE DOING. THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE. SO WE GIVE THEM WE STARTING THE WEEK BEFORE JULY 4TH, WE HAD OUR FIRST COHESIVE PATROL UNITS. IT WAS MORE OF AN EDUCATION AND JUST A PRESENCE AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, WE'RE A NEW UNIT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU AND HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT TIME AND ENJOY THIS HARBOR, BUT WE'RE NOT PUTTING UP WITH NONSENSE ALSO. AND SO WE HAVE NOW GONE TO THAT ENFORCEMENT PORTION WHERE WE HAD A COUPLE OF ARRESTS ON 4TH OF JULY. WE'VE BEEN JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE CITED FOUR PEOPLE ON THE ROCKS THAT WERE MISSING THAT WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE, THE CONSTRUCTION THE, THE BREAK WALL REBUILD. WE ALSO CITED A PERSON WHO WAS SWIMMING IN THE HARBOR OFF OF THE BAIT BARGE. [00:15:06] SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR US NOW. AND WE WANT THE WORD TO GET OUT. SO AS FAR AS GOING VIRAL, I WELCOME GOING VIRAL. PUT THE NEGATIVE ON US SO THAT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME TO REDONDO BEACH, YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. OTHERWISE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET EXCITED. SO WITH THIS COHESIVE UNIT, WE'RE, I THINK WE ARE THE ONLY ONES UP AND DOWN THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA THAT HAS A FULL SERVICE UNIT THAT COMBINES FIRE AND POLICE EXPERTISE. WE EMPHASIZE EDUCATION AND PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT. ALL THE HARBOR MANAGERS WHO I MEET WITH WEEKLY, THEY ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. THEY ALL WELCOME THIS NEW UNIT AND THE NEW CAPABILITIES THAT WE OFFER. IN FACT, ONE OF THE ARRESTS THAT WE HAD, I BELIEVE THAT THE FIRE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT ON 4TH OF JULY, WE ENDED UP HAVING A MEETING WITH THAT THAT COMPANY THAT OWNS THE SHIPS. AND THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED NEW CHANGES WITH THEIR EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES AND HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS. AND THEY APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT WE STEPPED IN AND GOT INVOLVED AND MADE THEM AWARE THROUGH AN ARREST THAT UNSAFE BOATING PRACTICES WERE OCCURRING. NEXT SLIDE. THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE CAR SHOW AND THE MARINA PARKING LOT HAS BEEN GOING OFF WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF CALLS FOR SERVICE. WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DRINKING VIOLATIONS, ANY UNPERMITTED ENTERTAINMENT VIOLATIONS. THERE WAS ONE WEEKEND WHERE A FOOD TRUCK CAME IN, AND WE ENDED UP CONTACTING THE FOOD TRUCK AND GIVING THEM A CITATION. SO THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE. WE HAVE BEEN SENDING IN OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO GO IN AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATES IN THE CAR SHOW PAYS THE PARKING THE FEES SO THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE AND, AND UTILIZE THE SPACE APPROPRIATELY. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THAT CAR SHOW. WE DO VISIBLE PATROLS BOTH ON FOOT AND THROUGH AND WITH OUR CARS AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE DURING EACH CAR SHOW. I BELIEVE IT'S EVERY FRIDAY EVENING OR AFTERNOON. CONCERTS ON THE PIER EVERY TIME ON THURSDAYS OR I BELIEVE FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS WHEN THE CONCERTS ARE GOING ON. WE'VE HAD POLICE PRESENCE BOTH USUALLY STARTING AT ABOUT 5:30, CALLS PERMITTING, AND WE STAY PRESENT PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT THE CONCERT. IN THOSE INSTANCES, WE DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN A SITUATION THAT WOULD DRAW TOO MUCH NEGATIVE ATTENTION. SO A LOT OF THAT IS WARNING THE VIOLATIONS THAT WE USUALLY SEE THAT OCCUR DURING THOSE CONCERTS ARE PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS OR PEOPLE RIDING THEIR BICYCLES. THE, THE APPROPRIATE ACTION FOR THEIR IS, HEY, GET OFF YOUR BIKE AND WALK OR I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR DOG ON THE PIER. YOU NEED TO REMOVE IT. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PUSHBACK FROM THAT. WE JUST HAD A NIKE THE AFTER DARK MARATHON MEETING TODAY. THAT'S OCCURRING ON OCTOBER 24TH. I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW, AND IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPACTFUL ON OUR HARBOR AND OUR PIER, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT CREW THAT'S WORKING ON IT. AND NIKE THEY'RE SHOULDERING THE WEIGHT OF A LOT OF THE RESOURCES THAT NEED TO NEED TO BE PRESENT FOR IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I WILL CONTINUALLY BE GIVING YOU UPDATES FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IF THERE'S THINGS THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD KNOW OR EVEN THINGS THAT MAYBE I, IT, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO KNOW, YOU ASK AND I WILL TELL YOU. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND POSITIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH WITH OUR HARBORS AND MARINAS. AND I DO THAT AGAIN, I MEET WITH EVERY MANAGER WEEKLY, EVERY EITHER IT'S EITHER THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS. I WALK INTO THEIR OFFICE AND HAVE A SIT DOWN, ASK THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO? WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TOWARDS IT. THE WATER POLO PROGRAM WE WERE INITIALLY PART OF THE PLANNING OF THAT THAT PROGRAM. WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO MUCH INVOLVEMENT SINCE THEN OTHER THAN TO DRIVE BY, HAVE OUR PRESENCE KNOWN JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SPLASH WALL OR ON THE WALK ON THE ROCKS, OR IF THEY'RE INTERFERING ON THE SMALL BOAT LAUNCH. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE INCIDENT. SO THAT'S BEEN THAT'S BEEN REAL QUIET. [00:20:02] AND THEN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE UPDATE ON ALL THE EVENTS THE BREAK WALL PROJECT. AGAIN, MY GUYS ARE OUT THERE SIGHTING PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE ROCKS OR INTERFERING WITH ANY OF THE LARGE EQUIPMENT. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD, I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE COMPLAINT REGARDING JUVENILES NOT WANTING TO MOVE ALONG AND THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THEM TO MOVE ALONG. SO I THINK IT'S BEEN RELATIVELY QUIET. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE WELCOME. AGAIN, WE HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE UNIT. I'M, I LET MY GUYS DO THE ENFORCEMENT. I HANDLE THE PR AND THE, THE SHAKING HANDS, HUGGING BABIES AND, AND SMILING AND WAVING AT EVERYONE. BUT I WELCOME ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT FROM US. PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO TELL ME, AND I'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. I HAD A QUESTION ON THE SLOT UP ON THE COMPUTER, BUT I BELIEVE ON THE, THE FISH THERE WAS 11 FISHING PIER VIOLATIONS YOU MENTIONED, BUT THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT 100 AND SOME TICKETS WERE GIVEN OUT, 136 TICKETS OR SOMETHING. CITATIONS WERE GIVEN GIVING OUT. SO WHAT'S THE WHAT WHAT'S 11 MEAN THEN? 11 WHAT? THOSE ARE PROBABLY. 11 CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR MY GUYS TO RESPOND TO. THOSE PROBABLY OCCURRED BEFORE I CAME ON IN MAY. SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION ON THAT. WHAT, WHAT A CALL. WHAT WOULD A FISHING CALL. A TYPICAL FISHING CALL WOULD BE, HEY, WE HAVE 20 20 JUVENILES ON THE BOAT RAMP FISHING, OR WE'LL GET A CALL OF 2 OR 3 AT THE PORTOFINO FISHING. AND USUALLY THE MANAGERS OR THE EMPLOYEES OR ADULTS TRY TO TALK TO THEM. HEY, GUYS, YOU CAN'T FISH HERE. AND THESE KIDS BECOME, THEY BECOME VERY BRAZEN AND REFUSING, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE GET INVOLVED. I WAS AT THE CHEESECAKE FACTORY AND I SAW A COUPLE JUVENILES FISHING, AND THEY CAUGHT A STINGRAY AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF GETTING BY IT, AND IT WAS A HORRIBLE THING TO WATCH. SO WHAT THEY DID TO THIS THING. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO DOWN THERE BECAUSE SOME OF IT CAN BE RATHER ROUGH. ROGER, DO YOU WANT TO START ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I MEAN, THAT'S A FISH AND GAME VIOLATION. IF YOU CATCH A FISH, YOU EAT IT OR YOU PUT IT BACK. YOU CAN'T JUST WHACK IT. EVERYTHING THEY COULD DO. THANKS A LOT FOR COMING DOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR FIGHTING THE FIGHT DOWN THERE. YOU MENTIONED MEETING WITH THE HARBOR MANAGERS. DO YOU EVER MEET WITH THE CLUBS? I'M THINKING OF THE TWO YACHT CLUBS AND ALSO LANAKILA, WHO WILL REALLY BE ON THE FRONT LINE IN MOONSTONE. I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE BOTH KNOW THERE'S BEEN ISSUES AT KING HARBOR YACHT CLUB OVER THE YEARS, INCLUDING RECENTLY. I'M NOT SURE HOW LANAKILA DOES, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, FRAGILE CANOES RIGHT IN THE FRONT LINE OF MOONSHINE. AND, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THEY'RE DOING OKAY WITH KIDS IN THE AREA AND KIDS FISHING OFF THEIR DOCK AND ALL THAT STUFF. I PADDLED FOR LANAKILA FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. OKAY. BACK WHEN I WAS A DEPUTY, WHEN I WAS IN MY 20S, I MEAN, I DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE, BUT SO I, AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T THINK OF THE GUY'S NAME. HAWAIIAN GUY WHO RAN THE PROGRAM FOR A LONG TIME. STILL THERE. YEAH. OKAY. THEY. I'M SORRY. AL CHING. AL CHING. YES. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO AL. HE HASN'T REACHED OUT FOR ANY ISSUES REGARDING THEIR EQUIPMENT. WE CHASED OFF A COUPLE. ACTUALLY, AS SOON AS THEY SAW ME PULL UP A COUPLE OF KIDS WHO WERE FISHING OFF OF THAT, THAT RAMP WHERE THEY LAUNCHED THE CANOES, THEY IMMEDIATELY BEAT FEET. BUT YACHT CLUB, I HAVEN'T MET WITH THEM WEEKLY. I'VE GONE IN, INTRODUCED MYSELF AND MET WITH THEM A COUPLE TIMES BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE. I JUST DON'T GO INTO THEIR PARKING LOT VERY OFTEN AND THEN THEIR DOOR'S ALWAYS CLOSED. SO AND I HAVE TO SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THEM TO LET ME IN. YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, WEEKLY THE WAY YOU DO WITH THE MANAGERS, BUT JUST, JUST A SUGGESTION THAT YOU MIGHT INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO. YEAH. I'VE INTRODUCED MYSELF OVER THERE. WE ACTUALLY HAD A, SO I'M IN THE HARBOR AREA A LOT AND I KNOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN UNCOVERED AREA. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE CONSTANT PATROLS THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE COMPLETE PRESENCE. WE HAD A, AN EMAIL ON THE SIDE TONIGHT ASKING ABOUT CAMERA COVERAGE IN THE AREA. [00:25:09] YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE CAMERA COVERAGE IN THE AREA? DO WE HAVE LICENSE PLATE READERS? HOW IS THAT USED? IS IT HELPFUL? IS IT? WE DO HAVE A FEW CAMERAS IN THE AREA. I AM NOT I JUST AM FAMILIAR WITH THE CAMERA THAT OVERLOOKS THE BEACH PORTION FACING TOWARDS VETS PARK. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE. I JUST HAVEN'T LOGGED IN TO FLOCK TO SEE THE OTHER CAMERAS THAT TO SEE WHAT IT CAPTURES OF THE HARBOR. I'LL DO THAT SO THAT I'LL HAVE A BETTER EXPLANATION FOR YOU ON THE NEXT MEETING. BUT PRIOR TO ME UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR POLICY SAID I WAS, I OVER PROMISED THAT I WAS GOING TO START SENDING OUR DRONE TO JUST TO DO RANDOM PATROLS, BUT OUR POLICY FORBIDS THAT. SO WE CAN ONLY SEND OUR DRONE TO 911 CALLS OR SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN THE CITY. AND SO I HAD TO REDACT MY PROMISE OF DRONE PATROL. YEAH. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S A BALANCE. I APPRECIATE PRIVACY MYSELF. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD STUFF STOLEN IN THE HARBOR. AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THIS. WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT TOO MUCH BECAUSE IT'S NOT AGENDIZED. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD FUTURE TOPIC OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING WE TALK MORE ABOUT AT THE NEXT PUBLIC SAFETY REPORT FROM YOU. HOW OFTEN ARE YOU GUYS ON THE PATROL BOATS WITH THE HARBOR PATROL? IS THAT ONLY ON, YOU KNOW, BIG WEEKENDS OR IS IT IS IT RANDOMLY? IS IT ONLY IS IT WHEN YOU WHEN, YOU KNOW, HARBOR PATROL ASKED FOR MORE BACKUP? HOW'S THAT WORK OUT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW, BUT MY OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED TO THE PIER FRIDAYS, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS FROM 1130 TO MIDNIGHT. I WORK THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, 6 A.M. TO 6 P.M.. SO THAT'S OUR THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR PIER COVERAGE. OUR GUYS HAVE BEEN RIDING WITH HARBOR PATROL, OUR NEW GUYS. AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT BOAT TRAINED YET. BUT THEY'VE BEEN GOING WITH THE HARBOR PATROL EVERY WEEKEND AT LEAST ONCE A WEEKEND. I'M HOPING THAT AFTER WE GET BOAT TRAINED, THAT THAT NUMBER WILL BE DAILY EVERY FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY. AND IN FACT, FIRE IS PUTTING TOGETHER A BOAT ACADEMY, A DECKHAND ACADEMY NEXT MONTH IN SEPTEMBER THAT MY GUYS AND AS WELL AS MYSELF IS ENROLLED IN SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE PROFICIENT. I HAVE MY GUYS ON WAITING LISTS TO GET INTO THE MARITIME ENFORCEMENT BOAT SCHOOL DOWN IN LA HARBOR. IT'S JUST WE'RE JUST WAITING. SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AGAIN, AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. GREAT. YEAH. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE NEEDED. IT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE TRIED TO FIND A WAY TO DO. IT'S EVERY HARBOR DOES IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. YOU KNOW, SOME DO HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AS PART OF HARBOR PATROL. WE'RE STRIKING A DIFFERENT BALANCE HERE, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOOD THAT WE KIND OF HAVE TWO DIFFERENT HATS, YOU KNOW. ONE, ONE'S BEING THE PUBLIC SERVICE, PUBLIC SAFETY OUTREACH, AND THEN ONE BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE AND PROVIDE A LITTLE HEAVIER COVERAGE WHEN THERE'S MORE TROUBLE. SO I HOPE THAT BALANCE WORKS OUT. YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR THAT BALANCE WORKS OUT GOING FORWARD. I THINK YOU STARTED THAT BACK IN MAY. I REMEMBER A BOATERS ALERT GOING OUT ABOUT IT BEFORE A BIG WEEKEND, MAYBE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. AND I GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT FROM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE HARBOR. I'M IN THE HARBOR ALL THE TIME. I WAS ON A BOAT THAT WEEKEND AND I HAD TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS NEWS TO ME. YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T TOLD ABOUT THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DO USE THE HARBOR COMMISSION AS, AS PART OF THE OUTREACH WHEN THERE'S A NEW POLICY OR SOMETHING YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE DON'T TALK TO EVERYONE IN THE HARBOR. AND HONESTLY, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT TALKING TO THE ONES CAUSING TROUBLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL DO GET QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, CAN BE PART OF THE OUTREACH WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE A NEW POLICY. IT'S BASICALLY IT FOR ME. THANKS AGAIN FOR COMING. YES, HELLO. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE REPORT. THAT WAS GREAT. I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE SMALL THINGS. I WOULD SECOND, ROGER'S IDEA OF BRINGING BACK CAMERAS ONTO THE AGENDA. FOR A WHILE WE WERE TALKING, THEY WERE HOLDING UP, HOLDING OFF ON CAMERAS TILL WE HAD WI-FI EVERYWHERE. BUT NOW WE DO HAVE WI-FI EVERYWHERE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE CAMERAS DOWN THERE. AND SPECIFICALLY, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME INCIDENTS DOWN AT THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK WHERE SOME OF THE BUSINESSES WERE TRYING TO STORE STUFF UP ABOVE. [00:30:08] WHEN WE HAD THE PATIO DINING AREA AND THERE WERE BREAK INS AND THERE WERE TRANSIENTS SLEEPING THERE. AND I GOT SOME FEEDBACK THAT THEY WANTED SOME CAMERAS, RIGHT, THAT WERE WATCHING AND KIND OF GOING ON. SO I THINK IT'D BE KIND OF INTERESTING. IT WOULD BE NICE TO ROGER'S POINT, YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HELP YOU KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON STUFF. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S GOOD. IS THERE IS THERE SOMETHING GOING ON RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTING A CAMERA IMPLEMENTATION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT MORE CAMERAS. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT'S IT BASICALLY FROM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO THOUGH. YEAH. NO, IT SOUNDS AND I. IT'S GOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESEARCH WITH FLOCK AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT CAMERAS? DO YOU WANT MORE CAMERAS OR DO YOU WANT LESS CAMERAS? MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS? OKAY, I WILL GET THAT EDUCATED. JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. YEAH. WHAT I HAD HEARD IN THE PAST, WHAT WE HAD HEARD IN THE PAST, WHERE THERE WERE CAMERAS GOING IN AT PARKS AND WHEN THE SKATE PARK BECAME A PARK, I BELIEVE IT WAS GOING TO GET A CAMERA, BUT IT HAD TO WAIT FOR WI-FI OR COVERAGE AND STUFF. I WASN'T AWARE THERE WERE OTHER CAMERAS GOING IN DOWN THERE. I CERTAINLY WASN'T AWARE THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THE FLOCK CAMERAS. SO CURIOUS WHAT THERE IS, HOW IT'S BEING USED, YOU KNOW, IS IT HELPING? IS IT HELPING YOU WATCH A GANG OF E-BIKES GOING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE HARBOR TO THE OTHER AND TRACK THEM DOWN AFTER THEY DO SOMETHING? OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING UP IN THE CLOUD AND IS SPYING ON ME? OR YOU KNOW WHAT IS THERE AND HOW IS IT BEING USED? OKAY, I CAN GET ALL THAT FOR YOU. YEAH, BECAUSE I'M MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, BY THE WAY. FAIR. CAN'T BE BOTH. IT CAN'T BE BOTH. YEAH. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT. I AM TOTALLY APPARENTLY NOT IN THE KNOW, BUT I THOUGHT FLOCK WAS MOSTLY ON A LICENSE PLATE READERS, BUT I GUESS NOT. IS THAT THERE'S FACIAL RECOGNITION, TOO? YEAH. OH. ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE I DON'T THINK I ACTUALLY I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OF FACIAL RECOGNITION OR IT, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE ABILITY, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN LICENSED TO US OR GRANTED TO US AT ALL. YEAH, I CAN SEE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT AND HOW FAR THAT GOES. SO IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING. AND WE WERE AT THE TIME JUST DISCUSSING JUST A CAMERA THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MOTION DETECTING. ESSENTIALLY WHEN THEY SEE MOTION, IT RECORDS AND IT JUST HANGS OUT THERE. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE AN INCIDENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY HAD THESE STORAGE SHEDS UP THERE AND THEY WOULD GET BROKEN INTO, AND THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT, YOU KNOW, TIME WHERE YOU COULD REVIEW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THERE AND HOPEFULLY DISSUADE PEOPLE FROM DOING THAT. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF THE PEER CAMERA FROM THE SUBSTATION THAT OVERLOOKS THE BEACH AND VETS PARK THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL THE INCIDENT WHERE WE HAD THE SWATTING INCIDENT ON THE PIER. YES. SO THAT WAS USED AGAINST US BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC CAMERA. ANYBODY CAN ACCESS IT, ACCESS IT AT ANY TIME. AND UNFORTUNATELY, FORTUNATELY, I WAS THE INCIDENT COMMANDER ON THAT. AND SO THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH AND I NEVER REALIZED THAT THAT CAMERA ONE WAS ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC. SO THAT'S WHY I HAD SUCH A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS PERSON WHO WAS DOING THIS KNEW SO MUCH ABOUT OUR MOVEMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON, BUT OTHER CAMERAS IT HELPS US CLEAR CALLS. WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE NOT USING IT TO SPY ON ANYBODY. IF WE DO HAVE TO ACCESS IT, IT'S LITERALLY BECAUSE A CALL CAME IN AND I'LL JUST THROW THERE'S FISHERMEN ON THE PORTOFINO RAILS HERE. AND IF WE HAVE A CAMERA THAT FACES IT, WE TURN IT ON. YES, THEY'RE THERE. AND SO WE'LL GUIDE OUR OFFICERS IN THERE. EVEN, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS WITH THE DRONE. IF IT'S GENERATED CALL, THEN I CAN PUT UP THE DRONE, SEND IT AND EITHER CONFIRM OR DENY WHETHER OR NOT THE CALL IS VALID. AND THAT COULD SAY IT SAVED US ON RESOURCES ALSO. I CAN CLEAR CALL WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO SEND GROUND UNITS IN. BUT I CAN, I'LL DO I'LL DO MUCH MORE RESEARCH AND I'LL HAVE EXTENSIVE ANSWERS FOR YOU REGARDING THESE CAMERAS. YEAH, THANKS. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. JUST THANKS SO MUCH FOR, I'M PLEASED ABOUT THE COMBINED OR THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO GO AFTER IT NOW. NICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WOULD SECOND THAT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU MENTIONED THIS SORT OF PROBABLY TIES TOGETHER 34 FISHING NON PIER VIOLATIONS AS WELL AS 45 JUVENILE DISTURBANCE CALLS. I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE A BOAT DOWN IN THE HARBOR TOO, ACTUALLY NOT FAR FROM WHERE ROGER IS. [00:35:05] AND I SEE A LOT OF KIDS FISHING AND THEY'RE USUALLY THE SAME KIDS. ARE YOU NOW ACTUALLY CITING THEM? YES, BUT JUVENILE SITES DON'T GO ANYWHERE. OKAY. THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW UP TO A COURT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY A FINE. THEY DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT ONCE THEY GET ONCE IT HAPPENS ONCE, THEN THEY REALIZE, OH, OKAY. IT'S NOTHING. IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN JUST A WRITTEN WARNING. BUT WE'VE BEEN CITING JUVENILES AS WELL AS ADULTS. YOU CAN'T CITE A, A PARENT ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE JUVENILE? THERE'S THINGS THAT WE DO THAT INVOLVE THE PARENTS. THE SECRET SOURCE, OF COURSE. HOW MUCH OF A SECRET SOURCE? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE MY JUVENILE, THAT'S COMMITTING THE VIOLATION AND I CITE YOU, I CAN DETAIN YOU AND SAY, I NEED YOU, YOUR PARENTS, TO PICK YOU UP, OR I'M TAKING YOU TO THE STATION AND THEY CAN PICK YOU UP FROM THE STATION. AND THEN I CAN EDUCATE THE PARENT ABOUT, WHAT THEIR CHILD DID, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PARENTS THAT ARE ALSO WILL CONTACT US AND SAY, SO MY KID WAS FISHING IN A NON FISHING AREA AND THEY'RE NOT OUT STEALING. THEY'RE NOT OUT VANDALIZING, THEY'RE NOT OUT DOING THIS. I'M GOOD WITH IT. YOU KNOW, THEY START TO THEY START TO WEIGH IT AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? MY KID'S FISHING. SO BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER PARENTS THAT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY, HEY, YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. SO IT'S, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE DIFFERENT PARENTS THAT WE DEAL WITH. AND MY OFFICERS ARE REALLY GOOD ABOUT FIGURING OUT, OKAY, THIS KID COULD PROBABLY GET AWAY WITH A, WITH A WARNING, AND I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA SEE HIM AGAIN. I APOLOGIZE. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO THIS BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT. IF YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER THAT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, YOU DIDN'T GET THE REASON BEHIND THE OVERHEAD CASTING. SO YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS THAT BIG OF A DEAL OR WHATEVER BACK THEN. BUT NOW THAT YOU REALIZE WHAT THE COST IS, YOU UNDERSTAND MORE THE REASON FOR THE RULE. CAN YOU EDUCATE EVEN TONIGHT ON FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING, PEOPLE WHO WILL WATCH OR FOR US, THE REASON FOR WHY IT'S BAD TO FISH IN A NON FISHING AREA? WELL, I'LL USE THE HARBOR AS OUR PERFECT EXAMPLE, RIGHT. YOU'RE A BOAT OWNER. THESE KIDS ARE FISHING IN THE HARBOR IN THE NON FISHING AREAS. AND THEIR HOOKS ARE GETTING CAUGHT IN THE DINGHIES, WHICH CAN COST BOAT OWNERS UP TO 4 TO $5000 IN REPAIRS, ESPECIALLY IF HOOK POPS THOSE THE INFLATABLE. A LOT OF THESE KIDS WILL GO ON SNEAK ONTO THE DOCK. SO HOP OVER THE FENCES. AND THEY WILL USE YOUR BOAT TO CUT THEIR SQUID AND CUT THEIR BAIT AND LEAVE THEIR TRASH. CATCH THEIR FISH AND THEY'RE OUT. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH DEEP CUTS INTO YOUR HULL OR WHEREVER YOUR DECKS. AND IT HAS BECOME PROBLEMATIC. THESE BOAT OWNERS ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH DAMAGE, DEAL WITH TRASH AND DEAL WITH DINGHIES THAT THEY HAVE TO REPAIR FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY MY GUYS HAVE GONE TO A MORE ENFORCEMENT APPROACH BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT ILLEGAL FISHING OR WHY THIS IS SUCH A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY ON ALONG THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK. I TALKED TO THE MERCHANTS PROBABLY EVERY OTHER WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TIRED OF THE TRASH. THEY'RE TIRED OF THE ISSUES THAT THESE KIDS ARE CREATING BY JUST FISHING ALONG THE RAILING OVER THERE. SO NOW THAT MY GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS AND I UNDERSTAND IT AS AN OFFICER, IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO GIVE SOMEBODY A CITATION AND NOT FEEL LIKE I'M, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T AGAIN, I DIDN'T BECOME I CAME BECAME A COP SO I COULD CHASE BAD GUYS AND PUT HARDCORE CRIMINALS IN JAIL. I DIDN'T THINK I'D EVER BE DOING OVERHEAD CASTING. BUT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT AND IT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME, THEN I HAVE NO PROBLEM ENFORCING THOSE LAWS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR IF YOU, AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, DIDN'T KNOW, THEN I IMAGINE THAT PARENT WHO SAID, MY KID WAS FISHING IN A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN'T FISH IS I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I IMAGINE AN EDUCATION OF SOME SORT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. SO I LIKE THAT IF YOU CAN SOMEHOW LET THE PARENTS KNOW AS WELL. THAT'S GREAT. AND I DO I EXPLAIN ALL THAT TO THEM AND THEY START TO UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL. [00:40:05] SO BECAUSE I'M SURE A LOT OF THEM HAVE DEALT WITH THINGS EVEN AT THEIR OWN HOUSE, THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY THREW TRASH OR WHATEVER, AND THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH THE FALLOUT OF THE DESTRUCTION THAT IT CAUSED. SURE. AND. YEAH, ONE MORE. AND ARE YOU WE SEEM TO BE GETTING MORE AND MORE ISSUES WITH JUVENILES DOWN IN THE HARBOR AREA. IN FACT, EVEN OUTSIDE THE HARBOR AREA, ARE YOU ACTUALLY SEEING AN INCREASE IN ISSUES RELATED TO JUVENILES OR ARE WE JUST BECOMING MORE AWARE OF IT? YES, I AM SEEING AN INCREASE MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE PHENOMENON THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN DEALING WITH AS COMMISSIONERS. THE E-BIKE HAS BROUGHT IN JUST A PLETHORA OF PROBLEMS BESIDES TRAFFIC ISSUES. IT BRINGS THESE KIDS WHO NORMALLY WOULDN'T HAVE GONE DOWN THERE TO COMMIT WHATEVER VIOLATIONS ARE COMMITTING. THEY'RE COMING. THEY HAVE A VEHICLE. THEIR PARENTS ARE SENDING THEM OUT AND THEY GO DOWN THERE AND THEY'RE JUST KIDS. THEY'RE ACTING LIKE KIDS. WHICH DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALIGN WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS HARBOR COMMISSIONER OR POLICE OFFICER. SO YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WHEN I WAS A KID, I NEVER ACTED LIKE THAT. SO YEAH, IT'S JUST FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MANAGE IT AND MITIGATE IT. ALL RIGHT. CAN I TAG ON TO YOUR TOPIC? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD DO ANYTHING OFFICIALLY THROUGH THE SCHOOLS. IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, EVENT THAT THE PRINCIPALS WOULD ALIGN WITH SOME ASSEMBLY OR SOMETHING. BUT I'M THINKING ESPECIALLY THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, IF YOU'RE SEEING MORE OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, LIKE EVEN JUST HAVING A LITTLE POP UP IN THE FRONT LAWN OF THE TWO MIDDLE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, IN THE MARCH TIME FRAME TO KIND OF EDUCATE ABOUT WHY AND WHERE CAN YOU FISH? MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP NEXT YEAR. I KNOW I'VE HEARD A LOT MORE COMPLAINTS IN THE MOONSTONE PARK AREA THIS SUMMER. AND LIKE ONE OF THE SAFE, ONE OF THE THINGS TO HELP THE KIDS IS THE REASON THEY CAN'T GO ON THE DOCKS OF THE LANAKILA DOCK IS THOSE STAIRS DOWN THERE ARE VERY TREACHEROUS, AND ANYONE USING THAT DOCK FOR LANAKILA HAS TO SIGN THE INSURANCE WAIVER. SO IT'S MORE LIKE, HEY KIDS, GET OFF. IT'S NOT SAFE TO WALK DOWN THOSE SLIPPERY STEPS. SO DEFINITELY IF YOU PULL ANY OF THOSE PARENTS ASIDE, MAYBE IT'LL HELP KEEP THOSE KIDS SAFE THAT ARE TRYING TO FISH THERE. I THINK, OBVIOUSLY, I'M STANDING PROOF HERE THAT EDUCATION IS VERY EFFECTIVE BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AS A POLICE OFFICER. SO YES, ANY TIME I CAN GET THE WORD OUT AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'LL I'LL TALK TO OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE LINE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN WITH THE SCHOOLS. RIGHT. ABOUT HAVING SOME SORT OF RESPONSIBLE FISHING ACTIVITIES AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES. MAYBE IF THESE KIDS AND TEACHERS AND PARENTS UNDERSTAND. I CAN HAVE A BEFORE, YOU KNOW, PRISTINE. AND THEN AFTER THESE KIDS FISH, YOU KNOW, AND THEY COULD SEE WHAT IT CAUSES, MAYBE HAVE SOME SORT OF A SPREADSHEET ABOUT THE DAMAGES THAT IT HAS CAUSED BOAT OWNERS. YEAH. OR MAYBE JUST A MAP, LIKE WHERE CAN YOU FISH? AND THEN THE DANGERS OF ALL THE KNOW PLACES. I DON'T KNOW. ALSO, I MEAN, NOW THAT WE HAVE E-BIKES BRINGING IN A LOT MORE KID FISHERMEN, ARE WE, DO WE NEED MORE AREAS THAT ARE LEGALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE LOST THE SPORT FISHING PIER. I MEAN, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE IS IT TIGHT DOWN THERE IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS MAYBE THAT WE NEED MORE LEGALLY, YOU KNOW, AREAS FOR KIDS TO FISH. EXACTLY, WE'RE SHRINKING AND THEN THEY KIND OF BULGE OUT. WE'RE FORCING WE'RE CREATING AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW. INTERESTING. WELL, WE HAVE SHRUNK WITH LOSING THE. YEAH. THAT PIER. RIGHT. IT THE LOCATIONS OF WHERE YOU CAN LEGALLY FISH HAVE SHRUNK AND A LOT OF THE LOCALS DON'T WANT TO GO ONTO THAT, THAT HORSESHOE PORTION. I DON'T KNOW OF VERY, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SPOKEN TO A LOCAL FISHERMAN ON THAT, ON THAT PORTION OF THE PIER. SO, AND THE KIDS DON'T WANT TO BE OVER THERE, SO. COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS AND FIGURE OUT TOGETHER. YEAH. IF I CAN COMMENT AGAIN. YEAH. THANKS. I, I FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE THE OLD MAN SAYING, YOU KNOW, HEY, KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I USED TO FISH OFF DOCKS AND NOT ALL THE KIDS ARE BAD KIDS. THE PART THAT'S UNAVOIDABLE IS WITH ALL THE LINES AND BOATS DOWN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A HOOK IN ONE OF THE DOCK LINES. [00:45:05] AND, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY DAY, BUT A FEW TIMES A YEAR. I'VE HAD FISH HOOKS IN MY DOCK LINES. AND IF YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, RUNNING ALONG. IT QUICK, YOU DON'T RUN ALONG THEM QUICK ANYMORE. YOU DON'T DO THAT THE SECOND TIME. I'VE HAD HOOKS IN, YOU KNOW, JUST. OH, LOOK, THERE'S ONE OF MY DOG'S LEASH. I'VE HAD LIKE, YOU KNOW, RUBBER PLASTIC LURES WITH HOOKS ON THEM ON THE BOAT. AND, YOU KNOW. IF I DON'T GET THAT BEFORE THE DOG DOES, DOG'S GOING TO EAT IT. MY BOAT'S KIND OF ACROSS FROM THE FUEL DOCK AND THEY'LL FISH FROM THE FUEL DOCK BECAUSE IT'S UNATTENDED AT NIGHT. AND SO I'LL GET A LEAD HEAD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 100 YARDS THROWN AT MY BOAT. AND THAT'S GOING TO. YOU KNOW, PUT A DING IN THE GELCOAT OR, YOU KNOW, BREAK A WINDOW. THAT KIND OF STUFF IS UNAVOIDABLE. AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN CASTING AND I'VE TANGLED UP ON DOCK LINES AND YOU CAN'T GO GET IT. SO YOU BREAK IT AND, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU SEE LIKE FISHING LINE ON A DOCK, NOW THERE'S A HOOK IN ONE END OF IT. SO YOU'RE WALKING ALONG BAREFOOT OR YOUR DOG IS OR SOMETHING. THERE'S A, THERE'S FISHING LINE THERE. THAT'S A, THAT'S A TRAP. AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, DRAG A HOOK ALONG WITH YOU AND, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT'S NEXT. AND THIS IS THE ACCIDENTAL, YOU KNOW, GOOD KID STUFF. AND IF I COULD FIND, YOU KNOW, HEY, IT'S GREAT THAT THESE KIDS AREN'T INSIDE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES. IT'S GREAT THAT, YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE OUTSIDE ENJOYING THE HARBOR, YOU KNOW, KEEPING OUR LOCAL FISHING SHOPS GOING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, I APPROVE OF THIS. AND IF I COULD FIGURE OUT WHO THE GOOD KIDS WERE, MAYBE I'D TAKE THEM WITH ME BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I COULD USE HELP FROM PEOPLE WHO CAN STILL WORK ON A BOAT AND, YOU KNOW, TEACH THEM TO CHANGE THE MOTOR OIL. BUT THEN THERE'S THE BAD KIDS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, BREAKING IN, GOING OVER THE FENCE, CUTTING SQUID ON A DOCK BOX, LEAVING THE BOX OF SQUID THERE AND JUST GOING AWAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT DAY YOU'RE CLEANING UP, YOU KNOW, DRIED SQUID AND FLIES AND DRIED SQUID DOESN'T JUST GO RIGHT OFF WITH A HOSE. AND THEN ONCE IN A WHILE, THERE WILL BE KIDS WHO COME THROUGH AND JUST LIKE, TAKE A SKIFF AND, YOU KNOW, DO OTHER STUFF. SERGEANT WEISS HELPED ME, YOU KNOW, RECOVER SOME STOLEN GEAR. EVERYBODY DOWN THERE KEEPS EVERYTHING LOCKED DOWN. I MEAN, WHEN I HAD A NUMBER OF FISHING RODS STOLEN, I WAS BORN ANOTHER FISHERMAN, AND IT WAS JUST LIKE, OH, YEAH, I HAD A NET STOLEN. I HAD A GAFF STOLEN. I HAD THIS STOLEN. I HAD THAT STOLEN. LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE MINOR STUFF STOLEN FROM A BOAT, WHICH SUCKS. THE ONE BAD NIGHT WHEN I HAD A BUNCH OF STUFF STOLEN, THEY JUST WENT DOWN THE DOCK AND JUST WORKED OVER EVERYBODY. THESE THIS ONE SET OF KIDS WAS IN A BAD MOOD. AND SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, ELDERLY COUPLE WITH A SAILBOAT, A LITTLE SET OF TWO STAIRS TO GET INTO THE SAILBOAT. THE KIDS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, KICKED THAT OFF THE END OF THE DOCK AND THREW IT IN THE WATER. AND THAT HAPPENS ENOUGH THAT NOW WHEN YOU SEE A KID ON THE DOCKS DOWN THERE, EVERYBODY JUST GOES SHIELDS UP AND IT'S GOTTEN UNPLEASANT TO THE POINT WHERE LIKE EVEN THE GOOD KIDS WHO ARE OKAY, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU START OFF CONFRONTING THEM AND IT JUST ESCALATES AND GETS REALLY UNPLEASANT. SO LONG, LONG WINDED STORY. I TALKED TO SERGEANT WEISS ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, JUST BEFORE HE LEFT THE PEER GROUP. WE WERE TRYING TO THINK OF SOME KIND OF OUTREACH. I KNOW IN SOME AREAS AT SOME TIMES THE E-BIKE OUTREACH, THE STARBUCKS CARDS FOR, YOU KNOW, KIDS DOING WELL WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A GIFT CARD TO A LOCAL, YOU KNOW, FISHING STORE OR SOMETHING WE CAN COME UP WITH. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING WORKING WITH KIDS SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHETHER IT'S E-BIKES OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN, IF WE CAN SOMEHOW APPLY THAT TO KIDS IN THE HARBOR ON E-BIKES OR FISHING OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON IDEAS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HELP. SO BEING A FORMER DOG HANDLER REWARDS SO FAR. SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. IN FACT, WHEN I WAS A TRAFFIC, WHEN I WAS A MOTOR OFFICER, WE HAD A PROGRAM WHERE IF WE SAW A KID RIDING WITH HIS BICYCLE HELMET, WE'D PULL HIM OVER AND GIVE HIM A FREE SLURPEE COUPONS TO THIS LOCAL 7-ELEVEN. AND IT WAS GREAT. THEY LOVED IT. AND SO THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME KIDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT I REMEMBER THE POLICE DOING SOMETHING WITH KIDS SKATEBOARDING AND ENDING UP HAVING A SKATEBOARD COMPETITION. YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE HAVE A FISHING TOURNAMENT, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THEY ARE ACTUALLY, THEY ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKING PICTURES OF THEIR FISH AND PUTTING THEM ON INSTAGRAM. AND SO IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, SUMMER LONG COMPETITION FOR BIGGEST CALICO BASS OUT OF THE HARBOR, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING ON THE GOOD SIDE AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE STICK ALL THE TIME. NO, THAT'D BE A GREAT THING TO. HAPPY TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT SOMETIME. THANKS FOR 100%. THE FISHING DERBY. THE FISH CAUGHT FROM THE LEGAL PLACES YOU CAN FISH FROM. OF COURSE. RIGHT. SO HAVE YOU. THE RARE. REGARDING THE SCHOOL OUTREACH. [00:50:05] DOESN'T THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF GAME AND WILDLIFE, THE FISH, THE GUYS THAT COME DOWN AND DO THE ENFORCEMENT ON OCCASION? I THINK THEY HAVE SOME EDUCATIONAL HANDOUTS AND SOME DISCUSSION ALONG THE LINES OF DON'T KICK AND STOMP ON THE SKATE YOU CAUGHT, WHICH I HAVE ALSO SEEN. WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO FISH SAFELY EVEN WHEN YOU'RE, WITH THE FISH. IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO CATCH A SKATE, HOW DO YOU DO THAT SO THAT YOU DON'T HARM THE ANIMAL, THAT KIND OF THING, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HELP SOME WITH THAT. YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL EXPLORE WITH THEM AS WELL. I KNOW THAT SINCE I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTICS, BUT I KNOW THAT SINCE WE'VE INTRODUCED THE E-BIKE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM THROUGH THE TRAFFIC UNIT. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT WE'VE HAD MORE AND MORE COMPLIANCE. SO I'LL EXPLORE THAT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN IT IS LEGAL TO FISH ALL ALONG THE BEACH, RIGHT? THE ENTIRE BEACH. YOU CAN FISH FROM YOU DON'T HAVE TO FISH IN THE HARBOR, RIGHT? IS THERE SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT FISHING ON THE BEACH? OKAY. YOU HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE SAND. YEAH. YOU CAN'T GET THERE ON AN E-BIKE. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN GO THERE AND NOT BE HASSLED. WHEN DO YOU CATCH AS MANY FISH? I MEAN, THERE'S THE THAT RIGHT THERE. JUST AS THEY CATCH MORE FISH, DIFFERENT KINDS OF FISH. DIFFERENT KINDS OF FISH BECAUSE THE DEPTH IS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. NOTHING REALLY TO ADD OTHER THAN THANK YOU. AND I AM IN THAT STRETCH OVER IN PORT ROYAL MARINA. SO WE SEE THE KIDS ALL THE TIME OFF OF CHEESECAKE FACTORY AND BLUE WATER GRILL. AND EVERY NOW AND AGAIN WE SEE SOME OF YOUR GUYS KIND OF WALK THROUGH. AND AS BOAT OWNERS, WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE IT SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICER WAITING TO SEE SOMEONE BLOW THROUGH THE STOP SIGN. IT'S A LITTLE SCARE TACTIC EVERY NOW AND AGAIN. I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE KIDS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY MORE TIME THAT THEY CAN JUST DO A PASS THROUGH HERE AND THERE JUST TO GET THE KIDS A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT BEFORE THEY CAST A LINE WOULD BE GREAT. MY DINGHIES IN REACH, SO. WELL, I SPOKE AGAIN. I SPEAK WITH CAMERON WEEKLY AND I'VE, I'VE TOLD HIM AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BOTHER THE POLICE, RIGHT. THEY THINK THAT CALLING ON KIDS FISHING IN THE NO FISHING AREAS IS BOTHERING US. AND I SAID, GUYS, THE SQUEAKY WHEELS GET OIL. AND IF YOU DON'T CALL ONE, IF YOU DON'T CALL, I CAN'T PUT MY DRONE UP. CALL SO I CAN AT LEAST PUT MY DRONE UP AND GET FOOTAGE OF IT. CALL SO THAT I CAN CREATE THE STATS TO JUSTIFY WHATEVER ELSE I NEED TO DO MORE AGGRESSIVELY. I MEAN, I'LL THROW SOMETHING. IT WOULD BE A DREAM. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO REDONDO, WE HAD SEVEN DAY A WEEK COVERAGE AT THE PIER. I WOULD LOVE THAT. AGAIN. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FULL TEAM AGAIN AND NOT JUST A WEEKEND TEAM. SO I THINK THINGS TO GET THOSE TYPE OF RESOURCES, THEY HAVE TO BE STAT DRIVEN. STATS HAVE TO BE GENERATED THROUGH CALLS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO NOT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BOTHERING THE POLICE. THEY HAVE TO BE EDUCATED THAT THE LITTLE THINGS ARE WHAT MOVES THIS BIG SHIP HERE. SO JUST LIKE ME, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SOME WHY I'M ENFORCING SOME OF THESE LAWS. AND NOW THAT I DO, I HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. AND ON THAT. YOU SAID YOU SPEAK WITH CAMERON REGULARLY AND I CAN BUG HIM ABOUT IT AS WELL. BUT I KNOW A LOT OF OUR VOTERS IN OUR AREA, IF THEY SEE KIDS FISHING, THEY GO TO THE MARINA OFFICE AND THEY SAY, HEY, CAN YOU GET THESE KIDS OUT OF HERE? AND THE MARINA OFFICE SAYS, WE CAN'T. YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO CALL THE POLICE. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VOTERS THAT MAYBE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD CALL YOU. THEY JUST THINK THE MARINA SHOULD BE HANDLING IT. SO THAT'S ON THE MARINA OPERATORS, I THINK, TO OUTREACH TO THEIR VOTERS AS WELL AND JUST SAY, HEY, THEY LIKE RPD WELCOMES THE PHONE CALL, CALL THEM AS NEEDED. WE DO, AND I CONVEY THAT MESSAGE TO ALL THE MANAGERS. AWESOME. WELL THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ABOUT THE POLICE REPORT? MARK HANSON, KING HARBOR, BOULDER. GREAT TIMING ON THE SUBJECT OF THE FISHING. JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, I TALKED TO ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO'S PROBABLY IN HIS 50S NOW. [00:55:01] HE'S BEEN FISHING KING HARBOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE, AND HE RELAYED TO ME, YOU'LL ENJOY THIS, THAT ONE OF THE. AND HE WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS HARBOR PATROL OR THE POLICE BOAT, BUT ONE OF THEM CAME UP AND HE WAS FISHING AS HE DESCRIBED IT. IT SOUNDED LIKE THE ROCKS KIND OF IN BETWEEN THE PORTOFINO HOTEL AND THEIR BANQUET ROOM, WHERE IT MAKES THE CURVE THERE. AND APPARENTLY THAT'S BEEN A FAVORITE FISHING PLACE OF HIS SINCE HE WAS A LITTLE KID. SO HE AND THE OFFICER WERE IN A FRIENDLY ARGUMENT. SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS ALL AMICABLE, BUT HE WAS BEING TOLD HE COULDN'T FISH THERE. AND HE GOES, NO, I'VE BEEN FISHING HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. NOW, WE ARE VERY USED TO THAT. JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING FOR DECADES DOESN'T MEAN IT'S LEGAL. AND I TRIED TO POLITELY EXPLAIN THAT TO HIM. BUT AND I'M NOT A FISHERMAN. I'M A SAILOR, SO I DON'T KNOW. DO WE HAVE ANY AREAS THAT ARE LEGAL TO FISH OTHER THAN THE PIER? OKAY. AND IF NOT, WITH ALL THE TALK WE JUST HAD HERE, I THINK IT KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION. WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO PUT THE NEW SPORT, THE SPORT FISHING PIER BACK IN. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AWAY THAT THAT IS. SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT ONE GREAT LEGAL THING, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO AGENDIZE FOR THE FUTURE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE. IS THERE SOMEPLACE BESIDES JUST THE PIER THAT WE COULD SAFELY, LEGALLY PROVIDE SOME FISHING? BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE NEED. THANKS. IS THERE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? ANY COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ITEMS FROM STAFF LIAISONS REPORT. [M. ITEMS FROM STAFF] YES. SO WE HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR OUR AUGUST MEETING. FIRST, OUR BASIN THREE SLIPS AND DOCK INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT. WE'VE BEEN HAVING MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY. AND WE ARE WILL BE FINALIZING OUR FIRST ROUND OF PRIORITY PROJECTS VERY SOON. AND THEN WORKING WITH HUD, THE GRANTOR, SO THAT WE CAN PUT THOSE OUT, THOSE PROJECTS OUT TO BID. OUR LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AMENDMENT, THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. WE MEET BI MONTHLY WITH THE PROJECT TEAM, AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH COASTAL. DUDEK, OUR CONTRACTOR, HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION, REVIEWING ALL OF OUR EXISTING DOCUMENTATION SO WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WILL BE UPDATED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. OUR, THE BREAKWATER REPAIR PROJECT. IT IS STILL GOING ON. IT'S EXPECTED TO FINISH IN SEPTEMBER. WE HAVE NO MAJOR ISSUES TO REPORT WITH THAT PROJECT. OUR TEAM DOES MEET WEEKLY WITH THE WITH THE ARMY CORPS AND CONNOLLY PACIFIC TO GET UPDATES ABOUT THE PROJECT. AND THERE'S BEEN NO MAJOR ISSUES TO SHARE WITH THAT WORK. SO WE ARE HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT IS MOVING AND IT SEEMS TO BE ON TIMELINE. WE ALSO DID JUST INSTALL A PERMANENT BIKE RACK AT MOONSTONE PARK FOR PEOPLE TO USE. SO DURING THE DURATION OF THIS PROJECT, BUT WE ALSO MADE SURE IT WAS PERMANENT. SO FOR THE FUTURE, WE'LL HAVE A BIKE RACK AND IT HAS AN 18 BIKE CAPACITY. SO HAPPY TO GET THAT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO USE. THE SEASIDE LAGOON IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SO THERE WILL BE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE HARBOR COMMISSION ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 25TH AT 6:30 P.M.. JUST TO CLARIFY A BIT. SO THE LAST MEETING I SAID THAT THIS COMMISSION WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN AGAIN. SO FOR THIS MEETING WE WOULD, THE HARBOR COMMISSION IS THE APPROVING BODY TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION FOR THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. SO IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, IT NEEDS THE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY. SO THE THE APPROVAL IS DEPENDENT ON GETTING THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, BUT THE COASTAL COMMISSION NEEDS TO SEE THE CITIES APPROVING THE PROJECT. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ON AUGUST 25TH IS THE DESIGN FROM THE APRIL 21ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED. SO AT THE MEETING ON AUGUST 25TH, WE'LL HAVE MICHELLE, WHO IS FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, WHO DOES OPERATIONS FOR SEASIDE LAGOON. SHE'LL BE THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE HAVE JOHN CIAMPA, WHO IS OUR WATERFRONT. HE'S ON THE PLANNING TEAM, BUT HE WORKS ON ALL THE WATERFRONT PROJECTS. HE'LL BE TALKING THROUGH THE PERMITTING AND ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL. SO IF ANYBODY HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN, THE HISTORY THE HOW THE DESIGN GOT TO WHERE IT IS. PLEASE REACH OUT TO STAFF AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SET UP WITH MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 25TH. FOR IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS, MORE INFORMATION NEEDED. SO PLEASE JUST REACH OUT TO STAFF. SORRY, WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THE COUNCIL MEETING? THIS WAS AT. THE COUNCIL? YOU SAID IT WAS APRIL 21ST COUNCIL MEETING. THANKS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. [01:00:09] OKAY. WILL WE BE GETTING MATERIALS FOR THAT MEETING? LIKE A WEEK IN ADVANCE OR FRIDAY BEFORE? NOT AT ALL. I CAN CHECK THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT THAT GOES OUT WITH THE AGENDA. AND I IMAGINE THERE'D BE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS SO WE CAN SEE WHAT DOCUMENTS WILL SHARE AND WE CAN MAKE SURE TO GET THAT OUT IN ADVANCE. AND, AND WE NEED TO COME TO SOME VOTE AT THAT MEETING? YES. OKAY. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON THE BREAKWATER. LAST MONTH I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE LARGE BOULDER REMOVAL. ARE THEY REMOVED? WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND OUT? IT'S NOT PART OF THE ARMY CORPS SCOPE, AND IT WAS NOT PART OF THE DREDGING CONTRACTORS SCOPE EITHER. SO THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE DREDGING PROJECT MOVED THE BOULDERS CLOSER TO THE BREAKWATER SO THAT THE ARMY CORPS TEAM COULD USE THOSE STONES BACK ON THE BREAKWATER WHERE THEY COULD. SOME OF THE STONES WERE NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO REUSE, BUT THE ARMY CORPS CONFIRMED THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE SOME OF THEM BACK. YEAH, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE ABOVE THE WATER LINE OR NEARLY SO AT LOW TIDE. IT'S UNFORTUNATELY NOT PART OF THEIR SCOPE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. SO WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT. AND THEN THE WAY IT WAS WORDED LAST MONTH'S REPORT, IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE THEY'RE ONLY REMOVED. THEY'RE ONLY REPAIRING THE NORTH END AND THE SOUTH, BUT NOTHING IN THE MIDDLE. BUT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE MIDDLE. I MEAN, THERE'S WAVES COMING IN. THEY ARE DOING THE WHOLE BREAKWATER. YEAH. THEY JUST THEY JUMPED FROM CLOSER TO THE KING HARBOR AREA TO THE OUTER. OH, AND THEN THE. AND THEN THEY'RE WORKING BACK IN. YEAH. IT JUST WORKED. THEY HAD MORE CONCERNS OUT THERE. SO THEY WANTED TO JUMP AHEAD. CERTAINLY. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUMPING DOWN TO THE FORMER FUN FACTORY SPACE, I GUESS WE SHOULD BE CALLING IT. ON JULY 21ST, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN EXCLUSIVE, EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT FOR LEVEL UP BOWL AND BISTRO FOR THIS SPACE. SO THE EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT IS THE CITY COMMITTING THAT WE'RE, THEY'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE SITE OR, OR POTENTIALLY SHOWING IT TO ANYBODY ELSE AT THIS TIME. AND LEVEL UP HAS 60 DAYS TO PUT TOGETHER CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS AND DESIGNS FOR THE PLAN OR FOR THE SPACE. AND THEN THE CITY AND LEVEL UP WOULD MEET TO DISCUSS LEASE TERMS AND NEGOTIATIONS. SO THEIR CONCEPT IS BOWLING, ARCADE AND FOOD AS WELL. AND THEY DO HAVE AN EXISTING SPACE DOWN IN PALOS VERDES THAT YOU CAN CHECK OUT. THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL DOWN THERE AND THEY'RE VERY EXCITED AND EAGER, AND THEY DEFINITELY SEE ALL OF THE POTENTIAL BEING ON THE PIER. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO REPORT THAT AND WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS THE PROJECT AS THE, THE TIME PROGRESSES. AND THEN WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST KIND OF THE ONGOING EVENTS. WE STILL HAVE THE CAR SHOWS ON FRIDAYS AND THE CONCERTS ON THURSDAYS AND SATURDAYS THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH. WE HAVE THE PIER CAR SHOW WILL BE AT THE END THE LAST SUNDAY OF SEPTEMBER AGAIN THIS YEAR AS WELL. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER UPDATE THAT AS PART OF THE NEW BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN INCREASE TO ALL PARKING METER RATES. THAT ALSO DOES APPLY TO THE WATERFRONT PARKING METERS. SO STARTING AUGUST 20TH, THE PARKING RATE WILL INCREASE TO 2.25 AN HOUR FROM $2. AND THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TOPICS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. SO HAVE A LIAISON'S REPORT. IS IT WORTH CONSIDERING IF THAT MEETING SHOULD BE NOT NEEDED? GREG. GREG USED TO ALWAYS, YOU KNOW. IS THAT A CONCERN? WAS ANYBODY GOING ON VACATION NEXT? I'M CONCERNED THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO COME UP. WE CANCELED ONE THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CANCELED THIS SUMMER. OKAY. NEVER MIND. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK OF IT IN THE MOMENT. SURE. YEAH. I'LL PILE ON AND SAY, I FEEL LIKE WE CANCELED. I'M ON MY WAY OUT. IT'S MY LAST MEETING, AND I'M NOT. I'M NOT JUST TRYING TO HAVE A LAST MEETING OR A PARTY OR ANYTHING. JUST, YOU KNOW, BE NICE. BUT I HONESTLY, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS MORE THAN ME, [01:05:06] BUT I FEEL LIKE WE CANCELED TOO MANY MEETINGS THIS YEAR. I AGREE, AND I REGRET IT. WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC PLAN. WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED BUDGET. WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED SEASIDE LAGOON EARLIER. YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME STUFF THAT CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, BREAKWALL REPAIR AND OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LET GO. AND AT THIS POINT, I'D SUGGEST DISCUSSING MUSIC IN THE MAIN CHANNEL AND ALSO DISCUSS WHOSE IDEA WAS IT OF WHERE'S FISHING LEGAL AND WHERE COULD FISHING BE LEGAL? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TOPIC. YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY HOT ENOUGH FOR SEPTEMBER, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS A. AND ALSO CAMERAS AT SOME POINT, RIGHT. WE WEREN'T. YEAH. SO WE HAVE THIS MAIN THREE THINGS. BUT I THINK THE FISHING THING IS PRETTY HOT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH LEGAL FISHING AREAS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FUN FACTORY. AN EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT FOR A LEASE. LEASES TAKE A LONG TIME TO NEGOTIATE. AND THIS IS ALSO FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THEY HAVE THIS LEVEL UP HAS 60 DAYS FROM A POINT THAT'S PROBABLY ALREADY STARTED SOME, SOME. 21ST. 21ST, OKAY. SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS NOW OR 20 DAYS OR WHATEVER. AND THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER 40 DAYS TO GO OF THIS TO GET THEIR PLANS IN ORDER. THEN THE LEASE NEGOTIATION STARTS. IS THE EXCLUSIVE DO YOU KNOW THE EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT? DOES IT EXPIRE UPON THEM SUBMITTING THEIR PLANS OR DOES IT IS IT THROUGH THE ENTIRE LEASE NEGOTIATION PROCESS. IT'S THROUGH THE LEASE NEGOTIATION PROCESS. OKAY. BUT IT DOES TRY TO KEEP IT TO A GOOD TIMELINE SO THINGS DON'T STRETCH OUT. OKAY. SO IT'S, I WOULD JUST, I, BE, I BE CONCERNED THAT LEVEL UP COULD USE THAT PROVISION AS A MEANS TO, KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND HAVE MORE TIME FOR DUE DILIGENCE. ALL THE WHILE IT'S NOW WINTER AND IT'S LESS ATTRACTIVE FOR ANOTHER TENANT TO COME IN TO SHOW INTEREST AND COME IN. SO I'D BE CONCERNED THAT IF BY KICKING THIS CAN. THIS PROLONGED PERIOD. THEY NOW HAVE THE. THE FORMER FUND FACTORY REMAINS EMPTY FOR A YEAR BECAUSE OF THIS 30 OR 60 DAY NEGOTIATION, NEGOTIATING EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS NEVER WE NEVER HEARD OF THIS. AS FAR AS I KNOW. I NEVER HEARD OF EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING. YEAH. YEAH, THE ENA IT'S REALLY THEY'RE INVESTING A LOT OF MONEY IN THE DUE DILIGENCE AND ARCHITECTS AND COMING UP WITH PLANS. SO THEY WANTED A WAY TO KNOW THE CITY IS WORKING WITH THEM ONLY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T WANT TO WRITE THE AGREEMENT. YOU KNOW, THEY NOW HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LEVERAGE BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE THE LEASE, THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT LEVERAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE ON THE HOOK AND START OVER FROM SCRATCH WITH SOMEBODY ELSE. AND THAT POSES A HURDLE THAT THE CITY HAS TO OVERCOME WITH REGARDS TO GETTING FAVORABLE LEASE TERMS. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, IT DOES HAVE A SHORT TIME FRAME FOR THE WHOLE ENA JUST TO KEEP IT EITHER MOVING OR TO WALK AWAY AND START OVER WITH SOMEONE ELSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST TO THAT I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY'RE STILL TAKING ANY CALLS FOR INTEREST, MAYBE NOT GETTING INTO NEGOTIATIONS, BUT JUST LIKE IF YOU'RE IN ESCROW ON A HOME DURING INSPECTIONS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT INTERESTED PARTIES DON'T KEEP CALLING. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW. IT'S UP TO THE TERMS OF THE ENA, WHETHER THAT'S EVEN PERMISSIBLE FOR THEM TO ANSWER THE PHONE. YEAH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. BUT NO, I JUST THINK FUTURE MEETING I THINK WOULD BE GREAT TO EXPLORE THE FISHING TOPIC AND TO EXPLORE THE WRITTEN IN REQUEST FOR MUSIC ON THE WATER PERMITS. I THINK THOSE WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO HANDLE IN THAT SEPTEMBER MEETING. I THINK THE CAMERA TOPIC IS GOING TO BE A TAKE LONGER, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REALLY DELVE INTO THAT ONE YET, BUT I THINK FISHING AND MUSIC BEING IN THEIR NEXT ROUND OF DISCUSSIONS WOULD BE GOOD. I GOT NOTHING ELSE. I'M GOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS SEASIDE LAGOON WE'RE BEING ASKED TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS. [01:10:02] I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REASON FOR THE TIMING OF THIS CAUSING A SPECIAL MEETING. BUT WHAT IS THE IMPLICATION IF SOME DECISION WASN'T MADE ON THAT DAY? LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DECISION IS THAT WE'RE MAKING AND WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE AND IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, OR WHY CAN'T IT WAIT TILL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING? IT'S. THE APPROVAL IS NEEDED TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION TO COASTAL COMMISSION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, SO IT'S TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING AHEAD. RIGHT, BUT WHAT CAN IT WAIT TILL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING? LIKE IS THERE SOME DEADLINE AFTER WHICH LIKE IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN ON THE 25TH, THEN THIS HAS SOME RIPPLE, SOME IMPLICATIONS. YEAH, THE DATE WAS SELECTED BY THE PLANNING TEAM WHO IS SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION. SO I BELIEVE IT'S JUST PART OF THE TIMELINE TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. AND SEPTEMBER 14TH OR WHATEVER, IT COULDN'T WAIT TILL THEN? THAT'S WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO HOLD IT, SO I THINK. IT'S UNUSUAL TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. YEAH. SO IS THE UNDERSTANDING THEN THAT THE MEETING WAS DETERMINED TO BE NEEDED AFTER THE DISCUSSION OF AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING, BUT BEFORE BUT BEFORE THE ABILITY, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT IT ON THE NEXT ONE. SO IF WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, TO BE HONEST. I CAN CHECK AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT. I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST THEY HAD A TIMELINE. IT'S A MOOT POINT BECAUSE THEN THIS MEANS ALREADY HAPPENED. RIGHT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS. I THINK JUST KIND OF WHERE IT CAME, WHERE IT CAME UP, AND JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE PROJECT ON THE TIMELINE THAT THEY HAVE SET FOR IT. I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF NO DISCUSSION, AND APPARENTLY A WHOLE LOT HAPPENING THAT WASN'T BROUGHT TO COMMISSION. AND SO FOR A LITTLE DEER IN HEADLIGHTS AS TO, OH, WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING MONDAY OR I DON'T KNOW, JUST LAST MINUTE, NOT HAVE TIME TO DIGEST, NOT HAVE TIME TO RESPOND PROPERLY. AND IT'S ON A SPECIAL MEETING. SO THAT MAKES ME THINK LIKE IT HAS TO BE DONE ON THE 25TH, SO. YEAH, AND WOULD WE BE SENT THE COMPLETED DESIGN? WE LIKE SOON. RIGHT. YEAH. I'LL CHECK WITH THE TEAM ON WHEN WE CAN GET THOSE DOCUMENTS OUT. OKAY. BUT YEAH THAT IS. IS IT EITHER WE APPROVE IT OR THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE? YEAH. LIKE IF YOU'RE, IF WE'RE BEING HELD TO THE COALS ON THE 25TH AND ON THE 25TH, WE ALL SAY NO, THEN WHAT? IT GOES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. IF THE HARBOR COMMISSION VETOES THE PROJECT. COULD WE CHANGE THE PROJECT AT ALL? MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO. OKAY, SO THIS IS JUST A THUMBS UP. THUMBS DOWN WITH NO. OKAY. WELL, AT LEAST FOR PHASE I, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OTHER PHASES OF THE PROJECT WHICH WILL ABSOLUTELY INCORPORATE FEEDBACK. BUT FOR THIS GRANT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PHASE I PROJECT. AGAIN, THIS PHASE ONE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PHASE I THAT WE DISCUSSED A YEAR AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS EIGHT MONTHS AGO, IS THAT CORRECT? EIGHT MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED, WE HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLANS AND HOW THE TRAFFIC IS CARS ARE GOING TO INGRESS AND EGRESS. AM I WRONG? YOU'RE CORRECT. THE PHASE I, II, III THAT CAME OUT OF THIS COMMISSION IS DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT FROM THE PHASE I THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT. SO THIS IS ARGUABLY A UNLESS WE WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PHASE I. YES. GOT IT. AND THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THAT NIGHT SPECIFICALLY IS ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS? IT'S THE ENTITLEMENT PACKAGE. SO WALKING THROUGH ALL THE PLANS THAT THEY'LL BE SUBMITTING FOR THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. OKAY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT PRETTY SOON VERSUS THE NIGHT OF IT. YES. YEAH. THE 25TH. OKAY. STAFF IS HAPPY TO SET UP MEETINGS IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR WANTING TO FIGURE OUT MORE DETAILS. SO PLEASE DO REACH OUT. ANYTHING ELSE SIR? MY TURN. NO, NOTHING FOR ME. YEAH. I'LL JUST ECHO EVERYONE'S CONCERN. I MEAN, WE WERE ASKED ABOUT A SPECIAL MEETING ON JULY 29TH, AND, YOU KNOW, IF. I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO THROW THIS AT YOU, BUT, LIKE, IF CITY AND STAFF KNEW THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE COMING TO HARBOR COMMISSION ON [01:15:05] JULY 29TH, WHY ISN'T IT AT THIS MEETING? SO YOU KNOW, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE MEETING ON THE 25TH AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING GET ENOUGH INFORMATION, BE SMART ABOUT IT. SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE COUNCIL MEETING FROM THE 21ST. AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL BACK IN APRIL. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEET WITH STAFF TO DISCUSS THAT AHEAD OF THE 25TH. YES. OKAY. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. A COUPLE OTHER RANDOM COMMENTS. I NOT REFERRALS TO STAFF, JUST MY NEWS AND NOTES. CAPTAIN KIDD'S IS HAVING A 50TH ANNIVERSARY PARTY ON AUGUST 22ND. THEY'VE BEEN IN THE HARBOR THAT LONG. REALLY? NEARLY 50 YEARS. AUGUST 22ND. SATURDAY, 2 P.M. I SAW THAT GO OUT ON THEIR INSTAGRAM AND STUFF. AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE HERE ON AND OFF OVER THE YEARS. THERE'S USUALLY A KING TIDE IN THE IN THE WINTER, EARLY SPRING, JANUARY OR DECEMBER. SO THIS YEAR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE WAY THE MOON IS WORKING, THE ECLIPSE COMING UP OR WHATEVER, WE HAD ANOTHER KING TIDE IN JULY AND IT WAS ONLY A PLUS SEVEN FEET 7.0. IN THE WINTERTIME, WE USUALLY GET LIKE A 72/73, BUT THIS TIME FOR THE FIRST TIME, THERE WAS WIND ON TOP OF IT AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIGHER WATER IN THE HARBOR. THE SIDEWALK GETTING DOWN TO MY BOAT WAS 6 OR 8IN UNDERWATER, AND I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE AN INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK. USUALLY INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK GETS WET LIKE THE SIDEWALK GOING ON MY BOAT WILL JUST GET WET. JUST GET KISSED LIKE YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM OF YOUR FEET GET WET. BUT THIS WAS MORE THAN ANKLE DEEP. WOW. IT WAS ABOVE THE ANKLES. AND IT IT WAS A PRETTY CALM NIGHT. NOT A LOT OF SWELL, BUT THERE WAS WIND ON TOP OF IT AND IT WAS KIND OF SCARY. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, OH BOY, HERE WE GO. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT'S COMING. YEAH, SOONER OR LATER. SO IT WAS INTERESTING. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. ON GOVERNANCE REPORT. PUBLIC INPUT. OH YES. PLEASE. MARK HANSEN, KING HARBOR, BOULDER THREE COMMENTS ON THE SEASIDE LAGOON PART OF THE REPORT. I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE URGENCY OF THE AUGUST 25TH MEETING. SO I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH. THE NEXT COASTAL COMMISSION MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 9TH THROUGH 11TH. THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 7TH. SO I'M CONJECTURING THAT GETTING THIS MEETING DONE WOULD ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO FOR SURE BE ABLE TO SEND THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OVER TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION AS EARLY AS THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. AND IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE YOUR DECISION THEY COULD APPEAL TO THEMSELVES. TALK ABOUT IT ON THE 7TH AND BE SENDING IT OVER TO THEM THE 9TH THROUGH 11TH. NOW, THIS IS JUST CONJECTURE ON MY PART, BUT THESE ARE THE FACTS OF TIMING AS I RESEARCHED THEM TODAY. THE NEXT TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT PERHAPS STAFF, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE USE THESE PLURAL WORDS APPROVALS AND ENTITLEMENTS. AND I'M NOT SURE THE COMMISSION REALLY UNDERSTANDS WHAT ALL THAT MEANS FOR THE 25TH. SO PERHAPS STAFF COULD TAKE A MOMENT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING, BEING ASKED TO APPROVE ON THE 25TH. AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS PERHAPS STAFF COULD CONFIRM TO YOU, WILL YOU BE HOLDING THAT MEETING AYE AS A PUBLIC HEARING BE WILL YOU BE ACTING AS A QUASI JUDICIAL COMMISSION WHERE YOU IF YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, THAT IS THE FINAL DECISION, UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES TO APPEAL IT TO THEMSELVES, AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO HAVE, THE CLARIFICATION IS THE OTHER OPTION IS THERE COULD BE A PLAN TO TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU GUYS SAY. BUT NORMALLY IF YOU'RE DOING A SEMI, A QUASI JUDICIAL MEETING YOUR DECISION IS FINAL UNLESS SOMEONE OR THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT. SO MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS MAYBE STAFF COULD CLARIFY TO YOU TONIGHT. THANKS SO MUCH. ANYONE ON ZOOM? ECOMMENTS? NO ECOMMENTS, NO PARTICIPANTS IN ZOOM. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MARK. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM N. [N. COMMISSION REFERRALS TO STAFF] COMMISSIONER REFERRALS TO STAFF. THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS. [01:20:04] DO WE WANT TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEMS WE DISCUSSED? FOR THE 17TH. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR A FUTURE COMMISSION MEETING. THE ISSUE WITH PERMITS FOR THE HARBOR FOR MUSIC AND AMPLIFIED MUSIC. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE DETAILED AS FAR AS THE DATE, JUST SO THAT WE CAN. YEAH, WELL WE'LL DO IT ON THE 14TH. SURE. ON THE 14TH. YEAH. AND I AND I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT MOTION JUST TO DISCUSS ABOUT HOW MUCH LEGAL FISHING THERE IS AND WHAT WE CAN. JUST A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. IF YOU GUYS OR DO YOU WANT THAT TO BE. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A SEPARATE MOTION. WITH LEE'S FIRST? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MAKE A NOTE FOR OUR AGENDA MEETING. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD TO THAT SAME SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING. A DISCUSSION OF LEGAL FISHING IN THE PIER AREA. WHAT, WHAT'S GOING RIGHT NOW, AND PLANS FOR A SPORTS FISHING DOCK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. THAT WAS FUN. VERY FUN LAST MEETING. YEAH. WELL. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT CAKE? YES. WAIT, I'VE GOT ONE TOO. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO GET WHATEVER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AT THAT POINT IN TIME ON WHAT THE CAMERA SITUATION IS IN THE HARBOR. I'D RATHER NOT. I'D RATHER NOT WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT. SURE. PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE IS. THAT REQUIRES WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO GET INFORMATION FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT. THERE'S JUST A REFERRAL TO STAFF TO. YEAH. OKAY. AS A REFERRAL TO STAFF, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO PUT MORE CAMERAS, MOTION DETECTING CAMERAS, NOT FLOCK. SURE. RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CAMERA SYSTEMS, MOTION DETECTORS AND THE FLOCK THING. AND I WANT TO KNOW, SO WHAT ARE ALL THESE SYSTEMS AND WHAT DO WE. AND DON'T WE HAVE. YEAH. IF THAT CAN BE DETERMINED. IS THERE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. DID YOU GET ALL THREE OF THOSE DOWN THERE? YES. EXCELLENT, COOL. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE BIKE RACKS AT MOONSTONE. I THINK I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MORE BIKE RACKS SOUTH OF PEARL FOR THREE YEARS, SO, THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH. PARKING'S BEEN TOUGH DOWN THERE. NORTH OF PEARL, SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SEE YOU ALL NEXT MONTH. HE DOESN'T EVEN ASK IF ANYBODY'S OPPOSED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.