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LET'S DO A CALL TO ORDER. CAN WE START WITH THE ROLL CALL?
[A. CALL TO ORDER]
JAMAAL. COMMISSIONER LIGHT. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.PRESENT. COMMISSIONER YOUNG. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
HERE. COMMISSIONER CONROY. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.
HERE. CHAIRPERSON CRAIG. PRESENT. NEXT, WE DO THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG AND INVOCATION.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, SO ITEM D WE'RE ON, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE ORDER OF AGENDA.
[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]
AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD PROBABLY DISCUSS THIS POINT THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE AGENDA TONIGHT.YES, THAT'S CORRECT CHAIR. WE'RE PULLING ITEM J.2.
WE NEED TO DO SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON THE PROJECT AND ANALYSIS, AND WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD IN THE EVENT WE BRING THE APPLICATION BACK. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE NEW ORDER OF AGENDA. SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. SO NEXT WE ARE ON BLUE FOLDER ITEMS.
[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A WHOLE SET THAT WAS PROVIDED.SO MANY. WOULD WE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE RECEIVED THEM? MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. GREAT. NOW WE ARE ON THE ITEM F THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]
THESE ARE BUSINESS ITEMS, EXCEPT THOSE FORMERLY NOTICED FOR PUBLIC HEARING OR THOSE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION ARE ASSIGNED TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.THE CHAIR AND OR ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAY REQUEST THAT ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS BE REMOVED, DISCUSSED AND ACTED UPON SEPARATELY. ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE TAKEN UP UNDER THE EXCLUDED CONSENT CALENDAR SECTION BELOW.
THOSE ITEMS REMAINING ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR WILL BE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION.
THE CHAIR WILL CALL ON ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM FROM THE AGENDA, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PULLED BY COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. NOW WE ARE ON PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OF NON-AGENDA ITEMS.
[H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]
THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THIS AGENDA FOR ACTION.EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE.
AND IS THIS REDONDO AGENDA? OH, YEAH. I'M SORRY.
RIGHT HERE. FIRST SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS FROM JIM MUELLER.
I BELIEVE I KNOW HIM. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
I'M FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THE CITY GOVERNMENT'S CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN AIM FOR ARTESIA COMMERCIAL DISTRICT SEEMS TO BE TO EXPAND THE FAR AND DE-EMPHASIZE PARKING SPACE, HOPING THAT VIBRANT BUSINESSES WILL RESULT FROM LARGER, MORE MODERN BUILDINGS.
DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN PROMISING LARGER DEVELOPMENTS FOR YEARS.
THEIR FOLLOW THROUGH RECORD ISN'T THAT GREAT.
WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY DO, DO.
THE SOUTH BAY SOCIAL DISTRICT IS NOW DEAD, REPLACED BY MORE PROMISES, AND THE GRUB HOUSE PLAN HAS BEEN IN A FOUR YEAR COMA, AND NOW THE COST OF MONEY, THE INTEREST RATES CHARGED ON BORROWED DEVELOPMENT MONEY ARE MORE CERTAIN THAN EVER TO RISE.
THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO DOUBLE DEFENSE SPENDING TO 1.4 TRILLION, AND AI INVESTMENT IS THROUGH THE ROOF, ALL WITH BORROWED MONEY. DEVELOPMENT IS DONE WITH BORROWED MONEY.
THE CITY HAS SPENT MONEY ON CONSULTING, PLANNING, AND SOON AN ELECTION TO ACCOMMODATE A DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN FOR YEARS, IF EVER. IS NEW DEVELOPMENT ON ARTESIA HOPELESS? NO. BUT THE SCOPE HAS TO CHANGE. OTHER CALIFORNIA CITIES HAVE SUCCESSFULLY REVITALIZED OUTMODED, UNDERPERFORMING COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. HOW DID THEY DO IT? THEY LISTENED TO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND GAVE IT TO THEM.
MORE PUBLIC SPACE, WALKABILITY, SLOWER, CALMER TRAFFIC.
THE PEOPLE OF NORTH REDONDO WHEN, RECENTLY SURVEYED BY LABASSE, SAID THE SAME THING.
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REVITALIZATION DOESN'T HAVE TO START WITH GRANDIOSE, EXPENSIVE PROJECTS.SMALL, CHEAP PROJECTS SEEM TO DRAW A CROWD. THE NRB FARMERS MARKET IS AN EXAMPLE OF SUCH A PROJECT.
THE CROWD THAT COMES INTO THE MARKET WEEK AFTER WEEK ENJOYS IT AS A CHANCE TO BUY GOOD STUFF, BUT ALSO AS A COMMUNITY EVENT. THEY HAVE MONEY AND THEY WILL SPEND IT.
TONIGHT, NRBBA IS HAVING A DINE AROUND AND ART FESTIVAL ON ARTESIA.
THEY'RE DRAWING A CROWD. THE CITY NEEDS TO ENCOURAGE THE CIVIC GROUPS TO DO MORE OF THESE PROJECTS, TO GET PEOPLE AND THEIR MONEY FLOWING INTO THE ARTESIA SPACE.
THEN YOU'LL SEE MORE SALES AND MORE REVENUE TO THE CITY.
CATERING TO DEVELOPERS BIG BUSINESS PLANS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT IS A LOSING STRATEGY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER CARD FROM MARK NELSON FOR NON-AGENDA.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? WHAT IS J2? J2 WAS ON A PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A MASSAGE BUSINESS ON.
IT WAS WITHIN THE DISTANCE OF ANOTHER ONE THAT MIGHT CONFLICT. THANK YOU.
NOT INTERESTED. OKAY. JUST DIDN'T KNOW. I'M SORRY.
THERE'S A QR CODE, IF YOU WANT TO SCAN SOMETHING. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, IF YOU'D LET ME DO IT, IS I'D LIKE TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY AT THE END OF THIS ABOUT THE CRYRO PROJECT, SO THAT I CAN GO TO ANOTHER EVENT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY ALLOWED IN THIS SECTION TO TALK ABOUT NON-AGENDA. SO.
I KNOW, I HAVE A NON-AGENDA COMMENT. I'M. I DEFER TO STAFF IS THAT ACCEPTABLE OR NOT? NO, I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL CRANK ME BACK UP ON MY TIME.
THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO A NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS AROUND BEACH CITIES HEALTH DISTRICT HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH A BASE DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS THE AS IS CONDITIONS BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T GET THE TRUTH OUT OF BEACH CITIES VERY OFTEN.
AS SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW, IN 2022, BEACH CITIES FILED A PRE CUP DOCUMENT BAKALY LITERALLY WAS PERSONALLY THE CONTACT AND THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT. WHEN HE WAS ASKED A COUPLE OF TIMES BY THE EASY READER, HOW TALL, HOW TALL THE ACTUAL CURRENT HOSPITAL IS, HE WAS LIKE 60FT.
AND THEN THE NEXT TIME HE'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I'VE DONE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS AND I DON'T KNOW IS NOT A VALID ANSWER.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THE PROJECT IS 51.5 FEET TALL TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET WALLS ON THE FOUR STORY HOSPITAL, SO IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. BEACH CITIES HAS NEVER DONE A PROJECT, SO IT'S BEEN A REAL PROBLEM.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE THINK ARE THE BASICS OF WHAT'S AT THE SITE, INCLUDING THE HEIGHTS, THE SETBACKS, THE FAR DISCUSSION OF THE PENTHOUSE THAT'S AT 952 SQUARE FOOT BOX ON THE TOP.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOES ON IN THERE, BY THE WAY.
THE STAIR STEP MASSING OF THE WAY THE HOSPITAL IS BUILT.
THE EIR AND ITS QUARTER MILE NOTICE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THE SURROUNDING HOMES AND ALSO THE NATURAL TERRAIN AND ELEVATIONS OF THE SITE, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE FEW SHALL CONDITIONS THE DEVELOPER SHALL RESPECT THE NATURAL TERRAIN BY LAW.
THAT'S A 30 FOOT ELEVATED SITE, YOU PUT A 60 OR 80 FOOT BUILDING ON THE LOT LINES.
THAT'S A REALLY TALL PROBLEM CREATED BY THE NATURAL TERRAIN.
AND WE'VE DONE HEDONIC PRICE MODELING OF THAT.
IN FACT, WE USED AN ENTIRE MILE RADIUS TO DO IT ABOUT 7000 HOUSES.
AND BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING, ABOUT $70 MILLION IS THE NET LOSS TO THOSE HOMES.
THEIR PRICES, IF THEY WERE SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN AROUND BEACH CITIES, WOULD BE $70 MILLION HIGHER.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT ANYTHING THAT'S TALLER, CLOSER TO THE EDGES, MATERIALLY DIFFERENT, WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES THERE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'VE WE'VE PROVIDED THE BASE.
WE'VE GIVEN IT TO PLANNING AND ALSO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE BACK PERIODICALLY TO CHECK IN ON THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU. TIME. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKER CARDS.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ONLINE OR ANY INDIVIDUALS ONLINE THAT WANT TO COMMENT?
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WE HAVE NO ECOMMENTS OR ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.OKAY. AND WE SHOULD DO WE RECEIVE AND FILE ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS? YES. WE BLUE FOLDERED THOSE ITEMS. OKAY. THAT'S JUST MAKE SURE.
[I. EX PARTE COMMUNICATION]
ABOUT THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS. COMMISSIONER LIGHT.DO YOU HAVE ANY. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
SPOKE TO NO ONE. COMMISSIONER YOUNG. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
COMMISSIONER GADDIS. BRIEFLY THE CHAIRMAN CRAIG NOTIFIED ME OF SOME THINGS COMMENTS THAT HE WAS FORWARDING ALONG. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CONVERSATION BEYOND THAT.
AND COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. YEAH. THE PUBLIC AND BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONER CRAIG.
AND AS COMMISSIONER GADDIS AND HAZELTINE HAS MENTIONED, JUST BRIEF COMMENTS.
THE COMMUNICATION I SENT TO THE WHOLE, JUST FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I FORWARDED TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION THAT WAS FORWARDED TO ME BY COUNCIL MEMBER OBAGI.
OKAY, SO I GUESS WE BEGIN WITH A PRESENTATION.
MOTION TO OPEN THE J.1 PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND.
[J. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. YEAH. THANK YOU CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.FIRST I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE DANIEL BESINAIZ.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE SOME INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ITEM.
FIRST OF ALL, IMPULSE SPACE HAS BEEN IN THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS.
THEY'VE OPERATED A SITE ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND WE'RE HAPPY THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN TO BE IN REDONDO BEACH.
IT REALLY CARRIES ON THE TRADITION OF AEROSPACE ENGINEERING THAT'S OCCURRED IN THIS CITY.
AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS EXPANSION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
IT LOOKS TO THE STRIVES TO ENCOURAGE TECH BUSINESSES TO OPEN WITHIN THE CITY AND A JOBS HOUSING BALANCE AND OTHER SUCH THINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THIS USE. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY ON THE PERMITTING FOR THE RENOVATION, THE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS OF THE EXPANSION OF THEIR FACILITY, PRIMARILY BEEN WORKING WITH THE BUILDING DIVISION WITHIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXPANSION.
AND WE HAVE IMPULSE SPACE REPRESENTATIVES HERE TO INTRODUCE IT.
SO THAT MEANS IT CAN GO INTO THE SPACE THROUGH THE ISSUANCE OF A BUSINESS LICENSE.
AND THEY APPLIED FOR THAT ABOUT 9 OR 12 MONTHS AGO AND IT WAS ISSUED FOR THE USE.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DANIEL TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CURIOSITY AND QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE OCCURRING AT THE SITE, AND I KNOW THAT IMPULSE SPACE PLANS ON DOING SOME SEPARATE OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY GET FURTHER ALONG IN THEIR PROJECT, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO SHARE INFORMATION ON THIS.
AND BEFORE YOU BEGIN, I ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE READ THE ACTUAL ITEM.
SO FOR ITEM J.1 IS A DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE 30 FOOT MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF FOUR THREE INITIALLY, BULK CRYOGENIC STORAGE TANKS WITH THE PROPOSED HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY 38FT AT AN EXISTING MANUFACTURING FACILITY ZONE ON PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL. IS THAT IC1 ZONE.
THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME.
OKAY? YES WE CAN. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS DANIEL BESINAIZ. AS MY DIRECTOR SO KINDLY SAID.
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MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS IMPULSE SPACE, WHICH IS A VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.THE SITE'S PRIMARY ADDRESS IS 2477 MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET, EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF REDONDO BEACH AVENUE.
THE SITE IS ZONED I1C, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO INSTALL 438 FOOT CRYOGENIC STORAGE TANKS.
AS MENTIONED, THE SITE IS USED BY AMPLE SPACE.
THE AREA IS ZONED R-1 OR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOUR CRYOGENIC STORAGE TANKS.
THESE TANKS ARE SET BACK ROUGHLY 112FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD, AND 222FT FROM THE NEAREST SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THESE TANKS WILL BE USED TO STORE LIQUID NITROGEN AND LIQUID ARGON.
AGAIN, THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THE IC-1 ZONE IS 30FT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THESE 38 FOOT STORAGE TANKS TO EXCEED THAT MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENT BY EIGHT FEET. SO ON THIS SLIDE, I PROVIDED A GOOGLE MAPS STREET VIEW IMAGE FROM 2024 THAT SHOWS THE SITE.
ON THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE TWO MORE RENDERINGS. THESE RENDERINGS ARE INTENDED TO BE ILLUSTRATED FROM INSIDE THE FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE FOUR INSTALLED IN A SQUARE TWO BY TWO CONFIGURATION.
BOTH THESE GASES ARE INERT NON COMBUSTIBLE GASES.
THESE TANKS ARE DOUBLE WALLED VACUUM INSULATED TANKS WITH AUTOMATIC PRESSURE RELIEF SYSTEMS. THEY HAVE SEVERAL OVERSIGHT BODIES AND REGULATIONS INCLUDE THE MULTITUDE OF ACRONYMS IN THE THIRD BULLET POINT THERE.
THERE ARE ALSO, OF COURSE, SUBJECT TO ALL APPLICABLE CITY BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.
THERE ARE PHYSICAL SAFEGUARDS USING VEHICLE PROTECTION, POSITIVE DRAINAGE, APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE AND SECURE PERIMETER FENCING INCLUDED WITH THESE TANKS. THEN THERE'S ALSO FIRE DEPARTMENT COORDINATION.
IN MARCH, TANK LOCATIONS 24 HOUR EMERGENCY CONTACT AND SITE ACCESS MAP.
IN THE CASE OF ANY EMERGENCY, IN TERMS OF NOISE, THE TANKS ARE EXPECTED TO GENERATE MINIMAL NOISE.
WITH ALL THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF, WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE FINDINGS REQUIRED TO GRANT THE VARIANCE. WE FOUND THE TANKS ARE VERY STANDARDIZED AND SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT THAT ARE REGULATED BY CAPACITY ENGINEERING AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
WE FOUND THE SITE TO BE CONSTRAINED BY THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN A WAY THAT MADE THE TANKS DIFFICULT TO INSTALL. THE ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES WITH SIMILAR GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS AND ZONING DISTRICTS ALSO USE STORAGE TANKS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT EXCEED 30FT IN HEIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND GRANT THE VARIANCE SUBJECT TO THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS WITH THE WITHIN THE ATTACHED DRAFT RESOLUTION. THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. YEAH.
WE MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS AS WELL. I'M STILL DOING THE MOUSE THING.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS BRIAN REGAN.
HE'S ONE OF OUR SENIOR FIRE INSPECTORS AND OUR PLAN CHECKER WITH THE CITY.
SO, YEAH WITH THIS HEIGHT VARIANCE, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW AND KIND OF YOU KNOW, WE REVIEWED THIS AND IMPULSE SPACE WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY CODE REQUIREMENTS OF ANY OTHER PROPERTY COMING IN WITH THESE MATERIALS IN THE CITY.
THIS HIGH VARIANCE DOES NOT DIMINISH OR DEVIATE FROM FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
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PROPERTY NEEDS. THEY WILL THIS IS STRICTLY JUST HEIGHT VARIANCE RELATED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE MET WITH MICHAEL AND THE IMPULSE SPACE TEAM.
THEY'VE BEEN PROACTIVE WITH THEIR COMMUNICATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IN ADDITION, ANYTIME A NEW PROPERTY COMES INTO THE CITY LIKE THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF TRAINING AND, YOU KNOW, PRE-PLANNING FOR THE SITE. AND I KNOW IMPULSE SPACE WILL BE COOPERATING WITH US FOR THAT.
AND THIS VARIANCE IS REALLY JUST A HEIGHT RELATED THING, NOT NECESSARILY A FIRE CODE RELATED ISSUE.
ASK A QUESTION. BUT YEAH, GO AHEAD PLEASE. OKAY.
WHAT IS THE PRESSURE EXPLOSIVE POTENTIAL OF THESE VESSELS? I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE PRESSURE. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT, I'M NOT THINKING IN TERMS OF A FIRE BECAUSE THESE ARE INERT GASES.
YEAH. BUT YEAH, SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COULD GO WRONG. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A TEMPERATURE CHANGE THAT WOULD CAUSE A BREACH OF SOME SORT.
AND WILL THESE THINGS SHOOT OUT LIKE A ROCKET.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A VERY LOW POTENTIAL FOR THAT.
AND IF I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE PRESENTATIONS RELATED TO MEETING ALL THE, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS FROM CRASH GUARDS TO EVERYTHING, PROTECTING THE TANKS AND STUFF. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY UNLIKELY SCENARIO.
AND DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT AT LEAST YOU WERE INFORMED THAT THIS IS JUST NITROGEN AND ARGON? THAT'S CORRECT SIR. OKAY. BECAUSE THE STAFF REPORT SAYS OXYGEN AS WELL.
IN MULTIPLE PLACES. YEAH. AND OXYGEN, OF COURSE, IS FLAMMABLE.
OKAY. YEAH. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY VALVES THERE ARE ON THESE TANKS? BECAUSE THE ONE IN GARDEN GROVE HAD ONE THAT FAILED.
YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, NOW GARDEN GROVE, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING.
I CAN'T ANSWER HOW MANY VALVES ARE ON THE TANK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED DURING PLANNING TECH REVIEW PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY DIFFERENT CHEMICAL IN GARDEN GROVE THAN THESE.
YEAH. SO THAT'S A VERY VOLATILE FLAMMABLE CHEMICAL VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR CITY AND YOU KNOW, THESE INERT GASES. SO AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'LL GO THROUGH A FULL FORMAL REVIEW.
THIS IS JUST STRICTLY RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT VARIANCE.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, YOU HAD A QUESTION. I'M CURIOUS IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THESE TANKS IN RELATIVE DISTANCE TO THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE AND WHAT ISSUES THAT MAY PRESENT.
THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T SHOW. IT'S I BELIEVE OVER 200FT DISTANCE FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SO IT WILL MEET ANY CODE REQUIREMENTS FROM SEPARATION DISTANCES.
THIS IS NOT A VARIANCE RELATED TO SEPARATION DISTANCES OR QUANTITIES, JUST SIMPLY A HEIGHT VARIANCE.
OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS YOU MENTIONED THAT THESE ARE NOT A UNIQUE FEATURE TO THE CITY.
ARE THERE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT USE THESE SAME TYPE OF CRYOGENIC TANKS? EXCUSE ME. ARE THERE OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE CITY THAT USE SIMILAR CRYOGENIC TANKS. HAS VERY SIMILAR SIMILAR CAPACITY OR IS IT JUST.
YEAH. ACTUALLY PROBABLY EXCEEDS THE CAPACITY OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
YEAH. PRETTY POSITIVE NORTHROP HAS MUCH LARGER TANKS THAN THESE.
RIGHT. YEAH. HAS THERE BEEN ANY INCIDENTS. WHAT'S THAT.
THE QUESTION I THINK IS MORE ABOUT WHAT'S IN THEM.
JUST HAVING TANKS RIGHT. TANKS ARE NOT TANKS.
IT'S WHAT'S IN THE TANKS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S REALLY TRYING TO NAIL DOWN IS DOES ANYONE ELSE SUBJECT TO CITY TO THIS SAME RISK, THESE SAME KIND OF GASES IN THESE SAME KIND OF PRESSURE VESSELS? DOES NORTHROP STORE THIS? YES. NOW I CAN'T ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE VESSELS.
SO I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT IMPULSE SPACE CURRENTLY HAS SIMILAR TANKS ON THEIR OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT HAVE THE SAME GASES, AND THEY WILL SPEAK TO THAT. THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE FOR THREE YEARS.
TYPICALLY, TANKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD NOT GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DECISION.
THIS IS BEFORE YOU BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT VARIANCE.
IT'S NORMALLY REVIEWED BY BUILDING SAFETY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF IT.
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AND THAT WOULD BE THE TYPICAL PROCESS. THIS ONE'S UNIQUE IN IT'S A HEIGHT VARIANCE, BUT THERE ARE IT'S HARD TO SEPARATE THAT FROM SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT MAY BE SURROUNDING IT, AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO. RIGHT.PART OF THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING IS THAT IF THERE'S EXACT, I GUESS, TO ELABORATE FURTHER, SIMILAR GASES BEING STORED IN OTHER FACILITIES IN THE CITY.
WE WOULD JUST HAVE. IT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN A BIG SITUATION.
THESE ARE INERT GASES, YOU KNOW. IT'S AN OPEN ATMOSPHERE.
BUT JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT WHAT IS THEIR THE RELATIVE WEIGHT VERSUS AIR, WHICH IS 80% NITROGEN AND 20% OXYGEN, BECAUSE THERE IS A DANGER OF NONTOXIC CHEMICALS RELEASED AND THEY DISPLACE OXYGEN.
SO IF YOU'RE 200FT AWAY FROM A TANK THAT HAS THE CAPACITY, YOU COULD SUFFOCATE.
SURE, ABSOLUTELY. AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT, ANYTIME YOU RESPOND TO THIS, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE GUIDEBOOK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
OKAY. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO LET'S JUST SAY THEY LEAK.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, BUT LET'S JUST SAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SAY. WILL THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES? WE WOULD HAVE TO THERE IS A 300 FOOT SEPARATION DISTANCE THAT WE WOULD.
ACROSS THE STREET ON MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD.
YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN EVENTUALLY THERE COULD BE EVACUATION PROCEDURES.
OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN IT'S ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT TOPIC FOR STAFF.
OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER BOSWELL JUST TO I THOUGHT YOU HAD ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT IF YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, I JUST I SAW YOUR MOUSE UP. NO I INTERRUPTED YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. THANKS.
SO I'M FACING NORTH. WE HAVE A REALLY TALL BUILDING.
THEN WE HAVE, I THINK, A BEIGE BUILDING AND THEN A WHITE BUILDING.
DO THEY HAVE BOTH OF THE SHORTER BUILDINGS THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE TALL BUILDING? ARE THOSE BOTH OF THEIRS? I'M LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE MAPS AND I SEE TALL WHITE BUILDING.
THAT MUST BE THE 100 FOOT THING. AND THEN I SEE A BEIGE BUILDING AND THEN I'VE GOT A WHITE BUILDING.
OH YEAH. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, ALL THOSE BUILDINGS ARE WITH THIS PROPERTY YES.
OKAY. AND THE TANKS AS FAR AS WHERE THEY ARE IN RELATION TO THAT TALL BUILDING IS THE TALL BUILDING THE NEIGHBOR IS WHERE? THE TALL BUILDING UP NORTH OF. THERE IN THE TALL LEFT HAND.
THE TOP LEFT HAND ARE THE TANKS NEAR THERE. YEAH SO THEY'RE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IMAGE, THE WHITE BUILDING. OKAY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE BY THE STOP SIGN. THE STOPLIGHT THERE.
BEHIND THE STOPLIGHT. I GOT YOU. I, OH, I SEE ON THE BOTTOM THE ILLUSTRATION.
OKAY. GOTCHA. HOW FAR IS IT BETWEEN THAT GATE AND THE TANKS? IT'S ABOUT 112FT.
WOW. THAT'S A DECEPTIVE PICTURE. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. OKAY, SO THAT DRIVEWAY'S LONG IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT'S 100FT ISH? YEAH. THAT'S LONG. OKAY, WELL, IT'S A PARKING LOT.
YEAH. VERY GOOD. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT DRIVEWAY IS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THAT YELLOW.
OKAY. DIAGRAM THERE. YELLOW SQUARE. AND THEN THE PROPOSED TANKS ARE WHERE THE 2501.
GOTCHA! GOTCHA, GOTCHA, GOTCHA. OKAY. THAT'S FAR.
OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER BOSWELL, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND, CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT RENDERING? IS THAT A TELEPHONE POLE THERE? THE ONE WITH THE CANISTERS? YES. THE SECOND THING FULL OF PCPS.
VERY HAZARDOUS STUFF. THERE ARE TELEPHONE POLES.
SO WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT SO WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING AT HERE ARE PRESSURE VESSELS AND THE PRESSURE VESSELS BECAUSE WHAT'S INSIDE IS PRESSURIZED SO THEY CAN GET MORE STUFF IN THERE. IF SOMETHING FAILS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GAS LEAKING AND IT'S INERT GAS AND YOU KNOW,
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SO WHAT? UNLESS YOU'RE RIGHT NEAR IT AND IT MOVES ALL THE OXYGEN AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU SUFFOCATE.BUT THESE THINGS ALSO TEND TO EXPLODE WHEN THERE'S A FAILURE.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THE BLAST RADIUS ON THESE THINGS ARE? SHOULD THAT HAPPEN AS ANYBODY ANALYZED THAT, AND HAVE THEY ANALYZED WHAT'S IN THAT BLAST? LIKE ALL THIS METAL BECOMES SHRAPNEL SPREAD AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT'S THE PERIMETER FOR THE DANGER OF, OF THAT GOING REALLY SIDEWAYS.
I THINK IT'S JUST NOT A VERY LIKELY SCENARIO.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION IS RELATING TO THE PRESENTATION THIS HEIGHT WAS COMPARED TO SIMILAR OR GREATER HEIGHTS AT OTHER FACILITIES RIGHT IN THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK. WHAT I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT WAS WHETHER THOSE COMPARISONS WERE JUST A MATTER OF COMPARING HEIGHT OR HEIGHT AND CONTENT. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS SIZE OF PRESSURE VESSEL OR LARGER WITH THESE KIND OF GASES IN THEM, AT OTHER FACILITIES IN THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK OR OTHERS IN THE AREA? SO THE COMPARISON OF THE NEARBY OR THE ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES ARE RELATED TO HEIGHT SPECIFICALLY.
STRICTLY HEIGHT. SO THE POINT THAT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE HIGHER ROOFS OR TOWERS IS MEANT TO WHAT. HOW IS THAT SUPPOSED TO. IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE RELEVANT TO THIS DECISION? IT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE THIS VARIANCE REQUEST IS SPECIFICALLY FOR HEIGHT.
AND EVENTUALLY THERE'S MORE STUFF THAT'S HAD A VARIANCE THAN, THAN COMPLIED WITH.
WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE. IT'S TIED TO THE FINDINGS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S REFERENCED.
THERE'S A FINDING THAT IT BE ESSENTIALLY SIMILAR TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.
SO THE THE NORTHROP SITE HAS A 100 FOOT. YEAH.
BUILT IN ZONING. YEAH. REQUIREMENT. BUT THIS SIDE DOESN'T IT'S 30FT.
WHY IS THAT. SO I WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME THE ZONING CODE WAS ADOPTED AND ESTABLISHED.
COULD ANYBODY JUST GUESS WHY. WHEN IS. I WILL SAY THAT.
THE SIZE OF THE OTHER. I WILL SAY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY APPROVED AN INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA RATIO IN THIS INDUSTRIAL AREA TO GO FROM 0.5 TO 1.0. SO WE PROBABLY SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS, THE HEIGHT ALLOWANCE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT TOO, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR ARTESIA AND AVIATION.
IS THERE SOMETHING OVER 38FT ON ARTESIA? WHAT? I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE TALKING NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN COMPARING TO ARTESIA.
THIS IS SO I GUESS, AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR IMPULSE AEROSPACE, BUT WHY AFTER THREE YEARS, DO WE NEED THIS? IS THERE SOMETHING NEW BEING MADE THERE? IS THERE SOMETHING IS THERE A NEW PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO BE NEW MANUFACTURING PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO START UP? WHY DO YOU NEED THIS GAS HERE NOW AS OPPOSED TO THE LAST THREE YEARS? SO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR OPERATION.
BUT I DO WANT TO NOTE THEY HAVE IT AT THEIR CURRENT FACILITY.
THIS IS AN EXPANSION, SO IT'S RELATED TO THE EXPANSION OF WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.
WITH A LARGER BUILDING THERE IS A NEED FOR TALLER TANKS.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, PART OF THE REASON THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE TALLER TANKS IS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DELIVERIES THAT HAVE TO OCCUR TO THOSE TANKS, WHICH COULD BE MORE IMPACTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD CONSIDERATION. DURING FILLING.
AND WE COULD PROBABLY TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
BUT IN LOOKING AT THEIR PROFILE, THEY OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH TESTING FOR ROCKET SYSTEMS. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE USED IN SPACE CONSTRUCTION.
OBVIOUSLY PRESSURIZED TANKS HAVE REDUNDANT SYSTEMS FOR EMERGENCY PRESSURE RELEASE AND BURST DISKS, ALL THESE TYPE OF THINGS. THESE ARE THINGS COMMONLY FOUND IN CRYOGENIC TANKS, EVEN INCLUDING SPACECRAFT.
SO THIS ISN'T A BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY. OKAY. VERY GOOD.
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COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE OR. YEAH, JUST SO THE OTHER THING IS IT MUST BE THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE FRONT LIKE THAT FOR FILLING.JUST REVIEWING EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO COME UP.
YEAH. NO, THERE IS NO OTHER LOCATION OTHER THAN CLOSER TO THE STREET.
AND WE DETERMINED THAT ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING WAS A MUCH PREFERRED LOCATION.
RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. THAT WAS IT THEN. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
YEAH. COULD I ASK POSSIBLY STAFF TO PULL UP THIS? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS ON THE PROPERTY.
BEFORE WE CONTINUE, DO I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE? WELL, ACTUALLY THIS IS PERTINENT TO THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PULL THIS UP AND PUT IT ON THE SCREEN ON A GOOGLE MAPS? AND FROM A SATELLITE VIEW. OKAY.
OKAY. THERE'S THE PROPERTY NOW. THE LET'S ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND INCLUDE THE PROPERTY ACROSS MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD. AND THE TANKS ARE GOING TO BE WHAT UP THERE TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THOSE TWO TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT OR WHERE ARE THEY VIS A VIS? ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE FROM THAT PICTURE? YEAH, JUST LEFT OF THOSE TWO.
JUST LEFT OF THOSE TWO TRUCKS. OKAY. CAN YOU JUST FLIP BACK TO THE PRIOR? JUST FLIP BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE IT APPEARS FROM THE RENDERING THAT THE TWO TANKS ARE ALL THE WAY TO.
YEAH. SEE HOW IT LOOKS ON HERE? IT'S BECAUSE THE LIGHTS ON THE STREETS MESSING WITH THE IMAGE.
OH IS IT. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY BUILDING TO THE RIGHT OF IT.
REALLY. HE MENTIONED THAT THE 112FT BACK, 100 AND SOMETHING.
YEAH. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN IT SHOWS. OKAY. SO RIGHT NEXT TO THERE IS ACTUALLY ELECTRICAL STATIONS, LIKE, CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THE. YEAH.
OKAY. SO TO THE RIGHT OF THERE, THERE, THAT'S, IS THAT A POWER RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT THERE.
POWER LINES. IT IS. THAT'S POWER UTILITY. I CAN SEE THE TOWER.
SO IS THIS NURSERY. IS THAT A BUSINESS OR IS THAT A HOME? IT'S A DEVIL MOUNTAIN WHOLESALE NURSERY. IS THAT JUST MISLABELED.
THERE'S REALLY A HOME THERE AT AT 3502 DOWELL.
IT'S A HOME. I KNOW THEM. OKAY. JUST I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE PROXIMITY IS, YOU KNOW, FROM. MISLABELED THAT SHOULD BE. FROM A GOOGLE MAP HERE.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OF HOMES. AND SO. 2429.
IS THAT CORRECT? 222. 200 AND THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE THE 3502 DOWELL IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE DISTANCE YOU'RE ASKING FROM WHERE THE TANKS ARE GOING TO GO.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT IS IT? 3502 THAT WOULD BE MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD.
RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. AND BUT THAT IS THE CLOSEST PROPERTY.
OKAY. AND THE NURSERY IS ACTUALLY THIS IS. YEAH.
SO IT'S MISLABELED THERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S OVER THERE.
OKAY. JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE PROXIMITY.
ALL THIS IS CALCULATED IN THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
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I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T DONE ALL THE STUDIES FOR EVERY PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S COVERED IN THERE, YOU KNOW, CALCULATIONS ON SEPARATION. YEAH. I MEAN, A LOT OF THIS IS WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC WOULD ASK SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S WORRIED, YOU KNOW, THESE TANKS IS GOING TO GO OFF LIKE A ROCKET, YOU KNOW.RIGHT. AND BLOW UP YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FOR AN INERT GAS THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S LIQUEFIED, YOU KNOW, IT'S EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY INSTANCES OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT. THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT ANSWERS TO.
SO YES, SIR. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
YES, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. YOU HAD YOUR MOUSE OUT.
FINALLY, A FIRE DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC QUESTION.
I REMEMBER SOME YEARS BACK GOING DOOR TO DOOR WITH FIREMEN, KNOCKING ON DOORS AND ASKING TO RECALL A CITY COUNCILMAN OVER SOME POLITICAL ISSUES. AND AT THE TIME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS LOOKING TO GET BY POTENTIALLY JOINING UP WITH LA FIRE WAS A HAZMAT TEAM, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE. DO WE HAVE SUCH A THING NOW? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TEAM.
THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS INSPECTION IS DONE BY L.A.
COUNTY FIRE. THEY HAVE THE CUPA RIGHTS IN OUR CITY.
OKAY. SO WOULD THEY BE INVOLVED IN INSPECTING THIS? ABSOLUTELY. YES. WOULD THERE BE PERIODIC INSPECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THE STRUCTURES ARE PROPER, THAT THE. YEAH, 100%. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS MENTIONING, AND MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESSES THAT EVERY OTHER BUSINESSES DOES.
THAT INCLUDES A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS INSPECTION, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY INSPECTIONS, PLAN, CHECK REVIEW, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM REVIEW. SO THESE ARE ALL COMPONENTS OF IT.
AND THEY WILL BE SUBJECTED TO HAZMAT INSPECTIONS AS WELL.
DO THEY WHEN THEY DO INSPECTIONS DO THEY INSPECT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE STATED CONTENTS ARE ACTUALLY THE CONTENTS? YES. THAT IS PART OF THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND CUPA INSPECTIONS.
WE JUST DON'T DO THAT PERSONALLY IN THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH.
SO L.A. COUNTY DOES THAT. YES. YES, SIR. HOW OFTEN DO THEY DO THAT? WELL, THERE IS AT LEAST ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS IS THE INSPECTION CYCLE, I BELIEVE.
SO WAY MORE OFTEN THAN A FIRE EXTINGUISHER. OKAY.
YEAH. I MEAN, HOPEFULLY FIRE EXTINGUISHERS IN REDONDO BEACH ARE INSPECTED ONCE A YEAR AS WELL.
YEAH. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEIR INSURANCE IS PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE THEM MAYBE DO MONTHLY INSPECTIONS, IF NOT EVERY LIKE EVERY 2 OR 3 MONTHS. WE CAN ASSUME ALL KINDS OF WONDERFUL THINGS, BUT WE SHOULDN'T.
I KNOW THE INDUSTRY I HAVE BEEN IN IT FOR A LONG TIME. BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC TO ADD THE INSURANCE COMPANY BECAUSE THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN COLLECT YOUR PREMIUMS. SO AND JUST BECAUSE WE KIND OF RAN AROUND IN SOME CIRCLES, THERE ARE OTHER MANUFACTURING COMPANIES IN THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK STORING THESE EXACT SAME GASES IN THESE EXACT SAME TYPES OF PRESSURE VESSELS.
CORRECT. THEY HAVE THE SAME SETUP, BUT SMALLER JUST UP THE ROAD.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET AT NORTHROP, THEY HAVE THEY GOT A BUNCH OF TANKS OVER THERE.
AND IN TERMS OF HAZARD, LIKE A SCALE OF 1 TO 10, I WOULD PUT THESE AT A ONE.
SO NOT THAT THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. THAT'S HELPFUL.
IT HELPS TO COMPARE. YEAH. OKAY. SHOULD WE LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK OR WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP HERE.
OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WHO ELSE SHOULD WE TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY. IT IS. YES, IF THE COMMISSION IS READY TO.
I SEE YOUR MOUSE NOW GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER YOUNG GO AHEAD.
FOR STAFF. MULTIPLE TIMES, NOT ONLY IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT ALSO IN THE MEETING PACKET PROVIDED BY THE WHATEVER PAPERWORK PRESENTED BY MATHESON, IT CLEARLY STATES THAT LIQUID OXYGEN IS ALSO GOING TO BE STORED IN THESE TANKS. PLEASE CLARIFY.
YEAH. IT WILL NOT BE IN ANY OF THE TANKS. THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. BUT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE SAFETY REPORT.
AND THEN THE INFORMATION FROM THE SAFETY REPORT IT COVERED OXYGEN TANKS AS WELL.
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BUT WE MISSED THAT. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU AND THE APPLICANT CAN ASSURE YOU THERE WILL BE NO OXYGEN IN THOSE.WELL WE JUST MAKE THAT A CONDITION ANYHOW AT THE END.
IT'LL BE FINE. WE JUST SAY NO OXYGEN. RIGHT WE CLARIFY.
OR MERELY THESE TWO INERT GASES. RIGHT? THAT'S FINE.
AND WE HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN. SO DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. MICHAEL GILLWAY.
GOOD. MY NAME IS JEFF DEFAZIO. I THINK I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO RUN EVERYBODY, THEY'VE GOT A COMPUTER THAT'S TIED IN. CAN YOU CUE THAT UP? YEAH, I GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT OKAY FOR EVERYBODY? YEAH. GOT IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD. OKAY. SO, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU. I'M MICHAEL GILLWAY. I'M A SENIOR MANAGER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES AT IMPULSE SPACE.
WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO PREPARE A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT GIVES AN INTRODUCTION TO IMPULSE.
THE MISSION GIVES AN INTRODUCTION TO THE FACILITY AND THE TANKS AS WELL.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, STARTING ON THIS PRESENTATION, WE WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, SAFETY IS OUR ABSOLUTE PRIORITY. WE OUR FIRST AIM IS, OF COURSE, PROTECTING THE SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS THE SAFETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR EMPLOYEES LIVE LOCAL TO REDONDO.
THEY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SAFETY IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO US.
SO ABOUT IMPULSE SPACE. RUN THROUGH THIS QUICKLY JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF WHAT WE DO.
WE TRANSPORT PAYLOADS AND CARGO. WE DON'T TRANSPORT PEOPLE.
WE WERE FOUNDED IN 2021 BY TOM MUELLER, WHO WAS SPACEX'S FIRST EMPLOYEE.
AND WE HAVE A TEAM OF SOME OF THE MOST EXPERIENCED AND CREDENTIALS ENGINEERS IN THE SPACE INDUSTRY.
WE'VE GOT LEADERS FROM NORTHROP GRUMMAN, SPACEX, BOEING, LOCKHEED MARTIN, NASA, RELATIVITY, JUST TO SPEAK A FEW OF THEM. AND ALSO, MOREOVER, WE'RE PROUD TO BE CONTINUING THIS RICH HISTORY OF AEROSPACE LINEAGE IN REDONDO BEACH. SO WHAT DO WE DO AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? I MENTIONED WE TRANSPORT SPACE CARGO. WHAT? SO SPACE IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYDAY LIFE.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR GPS AND COMMUNICATIONS, AGRICULTURE AND FARMING.
BETTER MOBILITY IN SPACE UNLOCKS THESE CAPABILITIES, UNLOCKS SPACE EXPLORATION, AND ALSO HELPS PROTECT THE GOVERNMENT SPACE ASSETS. AND IMPULSE BEGAN SOLVING THIS PROBLEM WITH OUR FIRST TWO SPACECRAFT, MIRA AND HELIOS.
SO YOU CAN SEE MIRA ON THE LEFT THERE. IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF A WASHING MACHINE.
IT'S A VERY PRECISE, NIMBLE, SATELLITE POSITIONING AND PAYLOAD MOBILITY SPACECRAFT.
AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS HELIOS, WHICH IS LIKE A KICK STAGE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE POWER TO GO LONGER DISTANCE IN SPACE.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS, AND OFTEN NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD ABOUT US, IS WE ARE IN SPACE, WE ARE TAKEN INTO SPACE BY SPACE, BY LIKE SPACEX AND OTHER LAUNCH PROVIDERS, BECAUSE SPACE IS A VACUUM SYSTEMS ARE MUCH SMALLER.
THEY REQUIRE MUCH SMALLER SYSTEMS TO OPERATE AROUND SPACE.
THIS IS KIND OF JUST A, YOU KNOW, VIDEO. TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE GET DELIVERED INTO SPACE.
THIS HELIOS HERE, THIS ROCKET ENGINE IS JETTISONED OFF.
AND WE BASICALLY DELIVER THESE PAYLOADS. YOU CAN SEE THERE WE'RE DROPPING SATELLITES, WE'RE LIFTING OUR MIRA THAT CAN THEN GO AND ON POSITION THINGS IN SPACE AND IT CAN DROP OTHER KIND OF SATELLITES AND PAYLOADS THERE.
SO WE'VE BEEN IN REDONDO BEACH SINCE 2023 IN A EXISTING LIKE 50,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.
WE DID THAT TO EXPAND OUR EXISTING BUSINESS AND EXPAND PRODUCTION CAPABILITIES.
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WE HAVE THE SAME IN THIS NEW FACILITY. SO IT'S NEW TANKS FOR A NEW FACILITY THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT.AND THOSE ACTIVITIES IN THAT FACILITY MIRROR THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR EXISTING FACILITY.
SO THAT'S THINGS SUCH AS MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLY, TEST AND INTEGRATION, WAREHOUSING, OFFICES, KITCHENS. WE HAVE A DEDICATED FACILITY FOR TESTING OUR ROCKETS, THE HELIOS ROCKET STAGE TESTING. WE HAVE THAT OUT IN MOJAVE. THAT IS ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AWAY.
AND IT HAS THE SPECIALIST INFRASTRUCTURE TO GO DO THIS, LIKE HIGH ENERGY TESTING THAT WE DO TO QUALIFY THESE SYSTEMS. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE TANKS. WHAT'S IN THEM? I KNOW THAT WAS SOME CONVERSATION EARLIER AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS.
SO THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR TANKS CONTAINING LIQUID NITROGEN AND LIQUID ARGON.
THESE ARE, AS WE MENTIONED NONTOXIC NON-FLAMMABLE INERT LIQUIDS.
THEY'RE WELL UNDERSTOOD. THEY'RE WIDELY USED IN HOSPITALS, UNIVERSITIES, MANUFACTURING FACILITIES.
THEY ARE ALL AROUND THIS AREA, AS JEFF CAN COMMENT TO.
LIQUID NITROGEN WHAT IS THAT USED FOR? IT IS BASICALLY USED TO CONVERT INTO GAS.
AND THEN IT'S USED AS LIKE A HIGH CLEANLINESS, HIGH PURITY SUBSTITUTE FOR COMPRESSED AIR.
BECAUSE WHAT WE MANUFACTURE IS EXTREMELY PRECISE AND NEEDS TO BE EXTREMELY RELIABLE.
WE NEED SOMETHING THAT IS A ULTRA PURE, ULTRA CLEAN COMPRESSED AIR SUBSTITUTE.
THEN LIQUID ARGON THIS IS STANDARD USED IN WELDING ALL OVER MANUFACTURING.
WE USE IT FOR JUST THAT LIQUID ARGON IS A SHIELDING GAS.
AGAIN THIS IS VERY STANDARD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MANUFACTURING.
AND IT'S KIND OF ALSO MENTIONED WE SIZED THEM SO THAT WHEN WE'RE AT FULL CAPACITY IN THE FACILITY, WE HAVE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FILLINGS TO HAVE MINIMAL DISRUPTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS I KIND OF JUST MENTIONED, THIS IS NOT EXPERIMENTAL TECHNOLOGY.
THIS IS PROVEN CERTIFIED TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OPERATED TO ESTABLISH INDUSTRY SAFE PRACTICES.
AND THERE'S A VERY PROVEN PLAYBOOK OF HOW TO INSTALL THESE TANKS, MAINTAIN THESE TANKS AND YOU KNOW, USE THESE TANKS SAFELY. SO WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES, NOT ONLY FROM THE COUNCIL OR THE COMMISSION HERE, BUT ALSO DIRECTLY FROM THE NEIGHBORS COMPARING AND WONDERING, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAPPENED IN GARDEN GROVE? AND SO I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH IT WITH YOU ALL JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN GARDEN GROVE, AS WELL AS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IN IMPULSE SPACE AND HOW THEY'RE CATEGORICALLY DIFFERENT.
MMA IS HIGHLY TOXIC. IT'S HIGHLY FLAMMABLE AND IT CAN EXPLODE IF NOT STORED PROPERLY.
THE COMMISSIONER IS CORRECT. THEY HAD MULTIPLE FAILURES THERE. THEY LOST CONTROL OF THEIR COOLING SYSTEMS. THEY ALSO HAD A VALVE THAT FAILED SO THEY COULDN'T ACTUALLY OFFLOAD THE TANK ITSELF.
HOW IT ENDED, THE TANK ACTUALLY PERFORMED AS EXPECTED.
IT CRACKED AND LEAKED WHAT WE CALL LEAK BEFORE BURST.
NOW, HOW IS THAT VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING? AS WE'VE MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES, WE DO NOT.
WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS IS LIQUID NITROGEN AND LIQUID ARGON.
IT'S INERT. IT'S NON-FLAMMABLE, IT'S NONTOXIC.
IT'S IN THE AIR WE BREATHE. BOTH OF THOSE GASES ARE IN THE AIR WE BREATHE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WE DON'T USE MMA. WE HAVE NO PLANS TO USE MMA.
THE TANKS ARE DESIGNED TO VENT IF PRESSURE INCREASES TO UNDESIRABLE LEVELS.
THEY WILL LEAK BEFORE BURSTING. AND THAT'S THE LAST CASE THAT HAPPENS.
SO WE WILL VENT WHEN THE PRESSURES GET TOO HIGH.
THEY VENT TO THE ATMOSPHERE. AGAIN IT'S NITROGEN AND ARGON.
IT'S THE SAME THING WE BREATHE. AND IF THEY DO HAVE A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE VENTS NOT WORKING OR THE VALVES NOT WORKING, AS THE COMMISSIONER HAS TALKED ABOUT, THEY WILL LEAK BEFORE THEY BURST.
SO THERE IS NO EXPLOSION RISK HERE WITH THESE TANKS.
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I HAVE A QUESTION. THAT'S IT FOR OUR PRESENTATION.WE'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.
YEAH. YES. YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES WHEN THEY'RE FILLED DISRUPTION TO THE NEIGHBORS.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU GUYS FILL UP THOSE WELL.
NOT YOU. RATHER, THE BIG TANKERS COME AND FILL UP AT A GAS STATION.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS PART OF THE VARIANCE THEY'VE ASKED WHICH WE WILL HAPPILY OBLIGE WITH AND COMPLY WITH IS WE WILL ADD LIKE SILENCERS AND MUFFLERS TO LOWER THE SOUND OF RELIEVING AND FILLING.
RIGHT. AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO FILL THE TANKS. IT TAKES APPROXIMATELY AN HOUR.
OKAY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE FILLED HOW OFTEN DO YOU THINK.
YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE RAMPING OBVIOUSLY, WE JUST KIND OF MENTIONED THAT WE ARE BUILDING OUT THE FACILITY, A MUCH BIGGER FACILITY THAN OUR PREVIOUS FACILITY.
AS WE GO INTO FULL PRODUCTION CAPACITY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT ONCE A WEEK.
OKAY. DOESN'T SOUND TOO DISRUPTIVE. WHEN DO YOU DO THAT? LET'S GO THROUGH THE. COMMISSIONER GADDIS. AND I'M ACTUALLY ESSENTIALLY ASKING THE SAME QUESTION WHAT HOURS OF THE DAY ARE ANTICIPATED THAT THEY WOULD COME FILL IS IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
TYPICALLY, THE PREFERENCE IS MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
YOU KNOW, SO, BUT TYPICALLY THE FILLING HOURS IS USUALLY IN THE MORNINGS TO THE EARLY AFTERNOON.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BOSWELL? I ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS. SO THE 38 FOOT HEIGHT.
AND THE THING HE RAN INTO WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT SAID, YOUR TOWER IS TOO HIGH.
SO WE DUG A HOLE, WE LOWERED IT DOWN IN AND IT'S THE PERFECT HEIGHT.
GOT CLEARANCE BUILT HIS CASTLE. WHY CAN'T YOU SINK THESE EIGHT FEET INTO THE GROUND? YEAH. OR CAN YOU OR OTHER THAN COST. YES. IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DON'T SINK IT INTO THE GROUND? NO. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M REALLY GLAD YOU ASKED IT.
THEY NEED TO BE INSTALLED PER THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE IDEA HERE IS TO INSTALL THEM PER THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT WOULD NOT RECOMMEND GOING SINKING THEM IN THE GROUND.
AND THEY RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE EIGHT FEET OF IT CAN'T BE IN THE GROUND AND 30FT ABOVE THE GROUND.
YEAH, THERE'S A RANGE OF ENGINEERING REASONS BEHIND THAT.
IT'S OPERATIONAL. IT'S ENGINEERING. I WOULD ALSO ASSUME PROBABLY LIKE WATER.
IF IT'S BUILT UNDERGROUND, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR WATER INTRUSION AND CORROSION AND SUCH.
I WOULD IMAGINE. EVERY GAS STATION IN THE IN THE IN THE STATE HAS TANKS UNDERGROUND.
SO PUTTING SOMETHING UNDERGROUND THAT'S NOT EVEN EXPLOSIVE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
BUT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT WHEN YOU ORDER PRESSURE VESSELS, ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT BUYING THESE OFF THE SHELF, BUT MAYBE YOU ARE, YOU WOULD SPECIFY WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS EIGHT FEET INTO THE GROUND, OR WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT 38FT INTO THE GROUND, DESIGN THAT PRESSURE VESSEL FOR US SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN INSTALL IT IN THAT WAY.
OR MAYBE YOU COULD SAY WE LIKE THE CAPACITY OF THAT 38 FOOT PRESSURE VESSEL.
HOW ABOUT IF IT'S ON ITS SIDE? HOW ABOUT IF WE HAVE FOUR OF THESE STACKED AND NOW WE'RE MAYBE 20FT HIGH, BUT WE'RE 38FT WIDE. WHY CAN'T YOU DO THAT? ALSO REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, A BIG YOU KNOW, BIG KIND OF ISSUE THAT WE HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE AGAINST IS PARKING.
WE WANT TO RETAIN AS MUCH PARKING IN THE FACILITY AS WE CAN.
PUTTING THEM HORIZONTALLY WOULD TAKE UP THE PARKING SPACES.
WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PROTECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ALSO TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH. TO THE PARKING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR TEAMS PARKING ACROSS THE STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT AND MAKE THAT LESS OF AN IMPACT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE WAY TO DO THAT. AS MIKE WAS ALLUDING TO, YOU PUT THEM ON THEIR SIDE.
THEY TAKE A LOT MORE PARKING AND SO THAT COULD PUSH IT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
HOW WIDE ARE THESE THINGS? TEN FEET. TEN FEET WIDE.
SO IT WOULD IT WOULD ELIMINATE TEN FEET BY 38.
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TEN FEET AND 40 FOOT. YEAH. AND THEN THE EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, I WANT TO ADD TOO, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED LIKE WHEN YOU WHEN WE ORDER THESE TANKS, THESE ARE STANDARD SIZE TANKS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING THE PROVIDER TO RE-ENGINEER SOMETHING. AND THAT'S BY DESIGN. SO IT IS OFF THE SHELF.IT IS OFF THE SHELF. OKAY. I IMAGINE THE CONFIGURATION MAKES IT EASIER TO FILL THE TANKS TOO.
YES. OKAY. MR. LIGHT. WELL, YOU SORT OF ADDRESSED MY QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL ABOUT THE PARKING ISSUE. AND DURING CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S BEEN PARKING THERE.
HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND HOW MANY SPOTS DO YOU HAVE FOR THEM AND DURING OPERATIONS HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE AND HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT ONE? YEAH. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE ARE EXPLORING ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO PROVIDE FURTHER PARKING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OUR, OUR IMPULSE EMPLOYEES.
AND SO, YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. ON. WE THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION FOR THIS RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST NOT FINALIZED YET, SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FURTHER. OKAY. ANYONE QUESTION.
AND THE PRODUCTS YOU'RE MAKING ARE NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY TRANSPORTING AND SHUTTLING THE SPACECRAFT TO HIGHER ORBITS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT LIKE GOING TO A U-HAUL AND RENTING IT AND DRIVING IT DOWN THE STREET. THESE THINGS OBVIOUSLY ARE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I'M SURE TO BUILD AND SET UP. WITH THAT AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT.
ALSO SAFETY FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A TANTAMOUNT OF CONCERN FOR YOU.
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. LIKE, AS MIKE MENTIONED EARLIER, SAFETY IS ABSOLUTELY NUMBER ONE, NOT ONLY FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT CERTAINLY FOR OUR OWN EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE OUR OWN ON SITE SAFETY TEAM.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANY COMMISSIONERS.
OKAY. SHOULD WE OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC? YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
OKAY. JUST ONE LAST. SURE. WE'RE GOING TO STAY BEHIND IN THE MEETING.
WE'LL BE OUT IN THE LOBBY. WE'D BE HAPPY TO CHAT WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS, AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONERS, IF THEY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR TANKS OR THE COMPANY IN GENERAL.
THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SO GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE HEARING TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
YES. MOTION TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. SECOND. AYE.
ONLINE. YEAH. OKAY. I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH A CARD FROM KATHERINE STERLINE.
YOU SAID MY NAME, RIGHT? I DID, THANK YOU. I TRIED.
I LOOKED CAREFULLY, SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN GO AHEAD.
I'M SORRY. JUST REPEAT YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
OH, KATHERINE STERLINE. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF REDONDO BEACH PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS KATHERINE STERLINE AND I'M A 31 YEAR RESIDENT OF REDONDO BEACH.
MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD. WE SUPPORT TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY CARRYING A SIGNIFICANT INDUSTRIAL BURDEN DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET NORTHROP GRUMMAN OPERATES LARGE INDUSTRIAL GAS STORAGE TANKS THAT ARE REGULARLY FILLED AND VENTED.
RESIDENTS KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW LOUD AND DISRUPTIVE THAT VENTING CAN BE.
IMPORTANTLY, NORTHROP'S FACILITY IS FURTHER FROM OUR HOMES THAN THE TANKS AND PROPOSED BY IMPULSE.
GIVEN THEIR SIZE, PROXIMITY AND THE NATURE OF THE MATERIALS INVOLVED, WE BELIEVE THE CITY NEEDS TO CONSIDER NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION, BUT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
FOR THAT REASON, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM AND REQUIRE THE APPLICANT AND CITY STAFF TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS THROUGH LEGALLY BINDING, ENFORCEABLE CONDITIONS OF APPEAL. FIRST, PHYSICAL SAFETY WE ASK THAT THE CITY REQUIRE A FORMAL QUANTITATIVE RISK ASSESSMENT ADDRESSING POTENTIAL BLAST AND OXYGEN DISPLACEMENT ZONES, ALONG WITH AN INDEPENDENT SEISMIC AND STRUCTURAL REVIEW APPROPRIATE FOR THESE 38 FOOT TANKS AND THEIR PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SECOND, TRUCK DELIVERIES AND OPERATIONS. FILLING THESE TANKS WILL REQUIRE LARGE INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL TRUCKS AND THE TRANSFER OF CRYOGENIC LIQUIDS, WHICH CAN INVOLVE TRUCK NOISE, IDLING, BACKUP ALARMS AND SIGNIFICANT VENTING NOISE.
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AND 7 A.M.. THIRD, CUMULATIVE NOISE. RESIDENTS ALREADY EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT NOISE FROM NORTHROP'S INDUSTRIAL GAS OPERATIONS.WE ASKED THE CITY TO EVALUATE THE COMBINED IMPACT OF NORTHROP AND IMPULSE AND REQUIRE CONTINUOUS REAL TIME NOISE MONITORING WITH ENFORCEMENT IF IMPULSE EXCEEDS CITY NOISE LIMITS. FOURTH, LIGHT TRESPASS. GIVEN THE EXISTING IMPACT FROM NORTHROP'S LIGHTING, WE REQUEST CONDITIONS REQUIRING ALL SECURITY AND OPERATIONAL LIGHTING TO BE FULLY SHIELDED AND DIRECTLY AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WITH NO DIRECT GLARE OR LIGHT TRESPASS ACROSS PROPERTY LINES.
COMMISSIONERS WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO STOP INNOVATION OR DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I HAVE A CARD FROM SHAIL VERSFELD.
HI. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE 2477 MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD INTO BULK CRYOGENIC STORAGE FACILITY.
CHANGING THIS BUILDING TO CRYOGENICS INTRODUCES SEVERE, LIFE THREATENING RISKS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
HERE'S WHY WE MUST SAY NO. ONE THE INVISIBLE SUFFOCATION THREAT.
NORMAL CHEMICAL SPILLS STAY ON THE FLOOR. IF A TANK LEAKS, THESE FREEZING LIQUIDS INSTANTLY EXPAND INTO MASSIVE GAS CLOUDS 700 TIMES THEIR ORIGINAL SIZE. GASES LIKE NITROGEN, HAVE NO SMELL, COLOR, OR TASTE.
TWO A MULTI-CITY FREEWAY GRIDLOCK. THIS WAREHOUSE SITS NEAR THE 405 FREEWAY INTERCHANGE.
EVERY DAY, 35,000 CARS PASS THIS BUILDING AND 250,000 CARS DRIVE THIS FREEWAY CORRIDOR.
A LEAK HERE WOULD INSTANTLY PARALYZE THIS VITAL CORRIDOR, TRAPPING DRIVERS AND CHOKING TRAFFIC ACROSS REDONDO BEACH, MANHATTAN BEACH, LAWNDALE AND HAWTHORNE AND ANYONE TRYING TO GET THEIR HOMES THROUGH THESE CITIES.
THREE, OUR KIDS AND MEDICAL CENTERS ARE IN THE DANGER ZONE.
A ONE MILE HAZARD ZONE PUTS NEARLY 5000 STUDENTS DIRECTLY IN HARM'S WAY ACROSS FIVE LOCAL SCHOOLS, INCLUDING MIRACOSTA AND MANHATTAN BEACH MIDDLE SCHOOL.
IT WOULD ALSO FORCE THE IMMEDIATE EVACUATION OF LOCAL CLINICS, INCLUDING TORRANCE MEMORIAL URGENT CARE, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AT A TIME WHEN EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE NEEDED THE MOST.
A LEAK CAUSES REGULAR STEEL BEAMS, METAL PIPES AND BUILDING SEALS TO INSTANTLY FREEZE, TURN BRITTLE, AND SHATTER LIKE GLASS. FIVE, THE LESSON OF BOYLE HEIGHTS IN BOYLE HEIGHTS COLD STORAGE WAREHOUSE FIRE.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CITIES TREAT SPECIALIZED HAZARDOUS FACILITIES LIKE ORDINARY WAREHOUSES.
WE CANNOT LET ANY OF THESE TYPE OF NIGHTMARES HAPPEN HERE.
CONCLUSION. A MASSIVE, HIGH PRESSURE CRYOGENIC FACILITY DOES NOT BELONG NEXT TO A MAJOR FREEWAY BOTTLENECK, FIVE SCHOOLS AND VITAL MEDICAL CLINICS. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO LOOK PAST THE LOOPHOLES, PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND DENY THIS TRANSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT CARD I HAVE IS FROM LORI ZAREMBSKI. I'M SORRY, DR.
LORI ZAREMBSKI, AS I KNOW YOU. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.
I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THESE TANKS AND I URGE YOU TO DENY THE VARIANCE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COME UP HERE TO ASSURE YOU THAT IT'S SO SAFE.
I HEARD BETWEEN THESE TWO FIRE PEOPLE AND THESE FOLKS AND THE COMPANY, THE WORD'S UNLIKELY.
GEE, I DON'T KNOW. IT PROBABLY WON'T. WE CAN'T TELL YOU.
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WHEN THEY SAID, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU A MILLION TIMES.SEVERAL TIMES WHILE THEY WERE SPEAKING. SO THEY ALSO SAID, OH, WE'RE JUST HERE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A HEIGHT VARIANCE. NO THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE HERE TO GET PERMISSION TO RUIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE THREE BLOCKS FROM THERE, AND WE CAN ALREADY HEAR THE BEEP, BEEP, BEEP OF THE CARS GOING, THE TRUCKS GOING BACKWARDS. AND THEN I ALSO HEARD THE CITY SAY, THE CITY STAFF SAY, WE'RE EXCITED.
WE'RE NOT EXCITED. AND THEN I HEARD THAT WHEN WE GET FURTHER ALONG, WE'RE GOING TO DO OUTREACH.
REALLY? NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT I HEARD IS THAT THEY SAID, WELL, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. THREE YEARS DOESN'T REALLY IMPRESS ME.
BUT THEN TO SAY, OH, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS.
WELL, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING FIVE TIMES THE SIZE.
IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. AND AS FAR AS ANOTHER THING THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WAS THAT I THINK THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE DOING US A FAVOR TO PUT THOSE TANKS IN BECAUSE THERE'LL BE FEWER DELIVERIES.
I DON'T NEED A FAVOR LIKE THAT. THEN LASTLY, QUITE FRANKLY, ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT SPACE AND ALL THAT, AND THEN USING THE TERMS OR THE CODE WORD SPACEX, LIKE WE'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE REALLY IMPRESSED BY THAT.
SO NOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT ELON MUSK WANTS WHAT'S BEST FOR REDONDO BEACH.
I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
I HAVE A CARD FROM MARK NELSON, BUT I BELIEVE HE SAID EARLIER HE HAD LEFT.
I DON'T SEE HIM HERE, SO I'LL TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR INDIVIDUALS ONLINE, JAMAAL, THAT WANT TO SPEAK? WE HAVE NO PEOPLE ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVEN ECOMMENTS FIVE THAT OPPOSE TWO THAT ARE NEUTRAL FOR THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. SO SHOULD WE. FILE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THOSE COMMENTS.
OKAY. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY.
NO. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM? ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM THAT WISH TO COMMENT? OR I SEE AN INDIVIDUAL? PLEASE COME ON AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN MY HOUSE FOR 25 YEARS, MY ECOMMENTS.
SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MY ECOMMENTS SAYS.
I'M REALLY SURPRISED THAT THIS HAS COME IN AS A VARIANCE REQUEST.
I'VE BEEN AN APPLICANT IN THE CITY FOR OTHER PROJECTS.
MY COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORTS FOR PROJECTS JUST TO GET THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE CITY IS RIGOROUS, HAS BEEN VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH.
GETTING A SITE PLAN IN THROUGH THE CITY IS RIGOROUS.
IT HAS DIMENSIONS, IT HAS ROAD NAMES, IT HAS SETBACKS.
NONE OF THAT IS ON ANY OF THESE EXHIBITS. ANY ELEVATION SHOWS ACTUAL ELEVATIONS, GROUND ELEVATIONS, AND HEIGHT FOR GETTING TO EVEN COME UP TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS HAS GOTTEN THIS FAR WITH A BOILERPLATE SAFETY PACKET THAT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE LOCATION OF THE TANKS, THE PLACEMENT OF THE TANKS, THE SPECS OF THE TANKS OTHER THAN A GENERIC BOILERPLATE SAFETY PLAN.
I'VE WORKED WITH THE L.A. COUNTY. I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET THEIR REVIEW AND GET THEIR APPROVAL, AND I TRUST THAT THEY'LL DO A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY NEED TO SEE THE SAFETY PLAN.
THEY NEED TO SEE THE SITE PLAN, THEY NEED TO SEE ALL OF THESE THINGS, HOURS OF OPERATION.
PROVING A VARIANCE AND PROVING A NUISANCE IN THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.
SO CALLING IN TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TANKS COMING IN AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING, BECAUSE VERY LIKELY THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THERE'S NOBODY THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK. SO I WOULD RATHER GIVE THEM A VARIANCE FOR PARKING, FOR PUTTING THESE SIDEWAYS OR TRYING TO BURY THEM.
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AND WHEN, WHEN YOU HEAR THAT THIS IS COMPARABLE TO NORTHROP GRUMMAN, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT WHERE THE TANKS ARE FOR NORTHROP.AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACILITY THEY HAVE NOW, THEY'RE FURTHER AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL. THEY'RE IN THE BACK. SO AND THE LAST THING THAT I FIND EXTREMELY ABSENT IS NONE OF THE EXHIBITS SHOW HOW CLOSE THIS IS TO THE RESIDENTS.
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS. PLEASE CONTINUE THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? OKAY. SEEING NONE, SO SHOULD WE. MR. JIM MUELLER, YOU'RE COMING DOWN.
THANK YOU. WHO IS THAT GUY? JIM MUELLER. DISTRICT FIVE.
WELL, I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS MYSELF, AND WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR HERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE.
I HEARD ONE LOCATION. APPARENTLY, THAT MUST BE THE ONLY LOCATION YOU CAN PUT THESE TANKS.
AND I DIDN'T HEAR THAT YOU COULD HAVE SHORTER TANKS, SO YOU WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO COME FROM TO BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND ASK THE CITY PERMISSION. SO WHERE ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? JIM, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE TO THIS, BECAUSE APPARENTLY IS UPSET A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD OF REDONDO BEACH. AND WE DON'T WANT THAT BECAUSE WE WANT DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANT GREAT TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES LIKE IMPULSE TO BE COMFORTABLE HERE, BUT THEY NEED TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE IN A COMMUNITY AND CLOSE TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. THEY NEED TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE.
THANK YOU. YEAH. VERY GOOD. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? I HAVE YOUR CARD AN YOUR PACK. THANKS. YOU PICKED THIS EXTRA THREE MINUTES.
IT'S LIKE. I'M SORRY. THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE. I DID STUFF AT THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION.
I WOULD PROBABLY NEVER GET INVITED BACK IF I DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND NEEDLESS TO SAY, THEY WERE CONCERNED. I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION, AND IT WAS FULL OF PROBLEMS. THE SAFETY PART OF IT LITERALLY SAYS THIS IS BOILERPLATE ON IT.
I MEAN THOSE WORDS AT THE VERY END. SO IT'S BOILERPLATE PIECE OF MATERIAL.
THEY JUST THREW IT IN THERE. SO BASICALLY I DON'T KNOW WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE PERMITTING THIS.
RIGHT NOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING IS POINTING TO EVERYBODY ELSE AND SAYING, WELL, L.A.
COUNTY FIRE IS DOING THIS AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING THIS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST DOING THE HEIGHT. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S GREAT, BUT AS REDONDO RESIDENTS, WE REALLY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A LIST OF WHO ALL THE PERMITTING AGENCIES ARE.
WHAT DO THEY PERMIT IN THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS NOW NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SAY, HEY, IF WE GOT TWO TANKS OF ARGON, IT'S HEAVIER THAN AIR.
IF IN FACT IT HAS A RUPTURE, IT DOES SNUFF US ALL OUT.
IS IT WITHIN 300FT? I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS PROCESS IS IS BROKEN UP AMONGST ALL THESE AGENCIES. AND GOD KNOWS I'M NO BIG FAN OF CEQA, BUT THERE'S NO LEAD AGENCY, APPARENTLY. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CITY, BUT THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE TRUE.
SO I'M NOT JUDGING THE SCIENCE. OKAY. I PROBABLY COULD, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO.
I DID AN LNG FACILITY, SO I DO UNDERSTAND LIQUEFIED GAS.
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMENT.ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? WE'LL GET ONE MORE SHOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT FOR MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS OR. SO.
SHOULD I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH, I GOT A QUESTION.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU. PLEASE GO AHEAD. SO WE'VE HAD.
ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR WHAT? QUESTIONS TO EVERYBODY.
WHY ARE WE NOT READING THOSE AND PUTTING THEM IN THE PUBLIC RECORD? WE DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. WE PREVIOUSLY DECIDED NOT.
AND IT'S A PATTERN THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES AS WELL.
WELL. GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
WELL, THE PROCESS IS BASICALLY OPPOSE OR APPROVE OR NEUTRAL.
I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN WHAT THE COUNCIL AND OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE ADOPTED RECENTLY.
I THINK WHEN YOU GUYS COULD TELL US IF THERE'S A I THINK THERE WERE WITH A NEW RULE CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF IT. LET ME JUMP RIGHT TO THE POINT.
IT'S NOT ALLOWED. RIGHT. WE DECIDED WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.
SO IT'S NOT ALLOWED. RIGHT. OKAY. END OF SUBJECT.
NOW WE KNOW. EVERYBODY KNOWS. IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMMENTED ON THIS.
YOU CAN READ THEM BEFORE YOU GET HERE. I CAN'T EVEN GET INTO MY EMAIL ON THIS THING.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE CONTINUE A CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT? SORRY. GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I'M CURIOUS WHY THIS HAS COME TO US AS A VARIANCE REQUEST AND NOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THE OPERATION THE AEROSPACE MANUFACTURING IS A PERMITTED BY RIGHT USE IN THIS ZONE.
OKAY. SO THAT MEANS IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THERE IS A PROVISION THAT PROVIDES STAFF THE ABILITY TO DENY THAT APPLICATION.
AND THEN IT WOULD GO ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TRACK.
BUT IN THIS CASE STAFF DID NOT HAVE THE JUSTIFICATION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION WHEN IT CAME IN A YEAR AGO ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THEY'VE BEEN AN OPERATOR IN THE CITY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS WITHOUT ANY INCIDENT OR SIGNIFICANT ISSUES, AT LEAST RELATED TO SAFETY. CAN YOU SHARE HOW, IF THIS VARIANCE IS GRANTED AND IMPULSE IS NO LONGER IN CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY, DOES THE VARIANCE STILL STAND? DOES WHOEVER TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY, DO THEY GET TO CONTINUE THAT WITH THAT VARIANCE? IT DOES. IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. YES. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR MARK.
THESE ARE 30 FOOT TALL TANKS. IF THE TANKS WERE 20FT, WOULD THIS EVEN BE IN FRONT OF US? NO, IT WOULD NOT. 38 FOOT. I'M SORRY 38FT. 30FT NO.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DID EXPLORE WITH THE APPLICANT.
BUT TYPICALLY, AS I SAID EARLIER, TANKS AND OTHER TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THERE IS A REVIEW PROCESS FOR THAT AND A LOT OF SCRUTINY, BUT THAT'S THROUGH BUILDING SAFETY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT WOULD REVIEW THESE TYPES OF INSTALLATIONS.
IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE DON'T BRING ENGINEERING AND SOILS REPORTS AND OTHER ASPECTS OF A PROJECT THAT ARE RELATED THEY'RE BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE DON'T BRING THOSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DETERMINATION OR DECISION.
OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO BASICALLY I'M JUST TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO WE'RE TALKING THIS EXTRA EIGHT FEET IS REQUIRING THIS ADDITIONAL PROCESS.
AND IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. YOU HAVE YOUR.
COMMISSIONER. LIGHT. OH, WELL, THEY BOTH HAVE IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE AEROSPACE WANTS TO BUY TANKS OFF THE SHELF INSTEAD OF SPECIFYING THE TANK THAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED.
YOU GOT 438 FOOT TANKS. WHY NOT SIX SHORTER TANKS AND GET IT UNDER THAT 30 FOOT? IS IT BECAUSE 38FT IS AS SHORT AS YOU CAN GET, OR THE NEXT SIZE IS FAR TOO SMALL?
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I MEAN, IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE THE REAL ISSUE IS, IS PROTECTING PARKING SPACES AND ALLOWING IMPULSE AEROSPACE TO PURCHASE PRESSURE VESSELS THAT ARE STANDARDIZED, AS OPPOSED TO ORDERING THEM SO THAT THEY FIT IN BETTER AND ARE LESS OF A PROBLEM TO THE COMMUNITY.ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? I MEAN, CAN YOU GET CAN YOU BUY OFF THE SHELF TANKS, PRESSURE VESSEL TANKS LIKE THIS THAT ARE 30FT OR SHORTER AND JUST HAVE MORE TANKS? I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT, BUT I DON'T FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT STRICTLY A MATTER OF COST.
IT'S THEY DO WANT TO KEEP THE FOOTPRINT MINIMAL BECAUSE THE PARKING IS IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE LOOKING AT PARKING SOLUTIONS FOR THE SITE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
ALSO THEY ARE LOOKING TO REDUCE THE FREQUENCY OF THE DELIVERIES.
SO IT DOESN'T INCREASE HOW OFTEN YOU NEED TO HAVE DELIVERIES.
IT'S STILL THE SAME CAPACITY THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED EVERY MONTH OR WHENEVER THEY DO THIS.
THE QUESTION REALLY IS ARE WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO BUY TANKS AND GIVING UP WHAT, TEN PARKING SPACES, 20 PARKING SPACES IN A FACILITY THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A MUCH LARGER PARKING SOLUTION BECAUSE OF THEIR STAFF SIZE. THEY CAN SURELY ADD THOSE FEW EXTRA PARKING SPACES INTO THAT MITIGATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANYWAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. BUILD A PARKING STRUCTURE, PUT THE PARKING UNDERGROUND, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR PARKING SITUATION THAT HAS OVERWHELMED THEIR FACILITY THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE UP WHATEVER PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE TO GIVE UP BY PUTTING THE TANKS SIDEWAYS OR HAVING SHORTER TANKS AND HAVING MORE OF THEM. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOLUTIONS RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AS TO WHY THIS IS HAPPENING THE WAY IT IS AND WHY THESE SPECIFICATIONS ARE NECESSARY.
WELL, DOUG, COMMISSIONER BOSWELL, I THINK THE MARC WIENER HAS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED PART OF THAT.
THAT'S WHY YOU WANTED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
AND WELL THERE'S LIQUID NITROGEN AND LIQUID ARGON THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE.
SPEAK IT'S STRICTLY A MATTER OF OF WHY. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT THOUGH TOO, IF YOU HAVE MORE TANKS, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT RISK OR CONCERNS, NOW YOU HAVE TO UNHOOK AND HOOK MORE TIMES EVERY TIME YOU COME OUT.
SO THAT INCREASES MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF SO.
THEY TELL US THE CHANCES OF AN ACCIDENT ARE MINISCULE.
CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT ANYWAY, DO WE BELIEVE THAT OR DO WE NOT BELIEVE THAT'S THEIR CLAIM.
IF THE RISK OF LEAKS AND AN EXPLOSION AND WHATNOT OF THIS FACILITY GOING SIDEWAYS ARE SO SMALL, THEN GIVE UP A FEW PARKING SPACES TO PUT IT ON ITS SIDE, AND IT'S NOT A HEIGHT ISSUE.
THEY CLAIM TO BE HERE FOR A HEIGHT ISSUE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING ON.
WELL, WE NEVER GET THE FULL STORY FROM OUR OWN STAFF. DOUG. DOUG, DOUG, I HAVE TO INTERRUPT YOU. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THEY CAME. THEY HAVE TO COME HERE BECAUSE IT'S OVER 30FT. THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOME TYPE OF OTHER REASON FOR IT.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY BECAUSE IT'S 38 VERSUS 30.
I THINK YOU'RE LOST ON WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
NO, I KNOW EXACTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YOU'RE BELEAGUERING A POINT THAT HAS REALLY NOT MUCH TO DO WITH OTHER THAN IT'S A HEIGHT ISSUE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT IT, THEY'RE PUTTING A CERTAIN CONFIGURATION. THEY COULD HAVE PUT IT PUT 30 FOOT TANKS. WE WOULD HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT. IT'S THE CONTENT. AND AS A INTEREST FOR PUBLIC INTEREST. THEY BROUGHT THIS IS BROUGHT BEFORE US SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AS THEY HAVE SAID THE CONTENTS ARE BENIGN. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
WE MAY WANT IT TO BE THE ISSUE, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WANT IT TO BE THE ISSUE.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING TO US IS THE NEED FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE HEIGHT OF THESE THINGS.
AND I'M ASKING THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE A HEIGHT ISSUE IF THEY WERE POSITIONING THESE TANKS DIFFERENTLY OR CONFIGURING THEM WITH A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF TANKS, THEY COULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IMMEDIATELY. YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. YOU'VE TALKED. I THINK THAT'S FINE.
WE GOT IT THROUGH. POINT IS TAKEN. COMMISSIONER LIGHT, WOULD YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. COMMENT AND THEN QUESTIONS. SO I GET AND I'VE NOW BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION A COUPLE OF YEARS.
WHAT WE CAN'T DO AND WHY WE HAVE A MISSION, WE CAN'T DO IT IF THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
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I'M GLAD TO SEE THEY'RE NOT PUTTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HERE TO LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO SAY ANYTHING.VERY TRUE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I SEE MY ROLE AS A COMMISSIONER FOR REDONDO BEACH PLANNING COMMISSION TO ENSURE THAT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN REDONDO BEACH IS MAINTAINED.
DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE. WE DO NEED TO SEE IF IT COMES TO US.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING YOU CAN HAVE A VARIANCE TO SOMETHING THAT I WILL SOMEDAY REGRET BECAUSE THERE'S AN ACCIDENT THERE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS, AND I GET THE MMA AND GARDEN GROVE'S DIFFERENT.
AND THEY COULDN'T HAVE SCREWED UP BETTER IF THEY TRIED ON THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
TAKE A LITTLE EXCEPTION IS THAT IT HAPPENED THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO.
IT LEAKED BEFORE IT EXPLODED. THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE WERE HEARING ON THE NEWS.
I'M NOT A PHYSICIST OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THERE WAS A REAL DANGER OF A EXPLOSION.
THAT WOULD HAVE WIPED OUT A LARGE AREA, INCLUDING MY DAUGHTER'S HOME.
AND THERE'S STILL LAWSUITS GOING ON THERE. SO AND MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING SO QUICKLY? WHY IS IT HAPPENING WITH NO HAZMAT REPORTS? WHY IS THERE NO CONTINGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR AN ACCIDENT? WHY IS THERE NO OUTLINE OF HOW PEOPLE GET INTO THIS PLACE? WHAT IS THE SYSTEM TO FILL THIS UP? WHO WHAT ABOUT BAD ACTORS, TERRORISTS GETTING IN THERE? IT JUST SEEMS TO ME I'M NOT SEEING A LOT IN TERMS OF SAFETY OF THIS GOING FORWARD AND APPROVING THIS. AND IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I PERSONALLY CAN HAVE A SAY IN SPEEDING UP OR HAVING SOME KIND OF REVIEW AND MORE COMPLETE SAFETY ANALYSIS OF THIS. I JUST DON'T ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IT'S A VERY RARE EVENT. WE ALL KNOW RARE EVENTS HAPPEN AND THERE ARE PEOPLE AND TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN EASY TARGET TO MAKE BAD THINGS HAPPEN.
SO WHY IS THIS HAPPENING SO FAST? WHY DOES IT COMING TO US SO QUICKLY WITH ALL THESE LIMITATIONS THAT I SEE AND WHAT'S NOT BEEN DONE IN TERMS OF SAFETY? I'M JUST HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT. VERY GOOD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST HERE I CAN'T SEE.
I HAVE OH, I'M SORRY, I HAVE MY MOUSE. MY MOUSE IS OUT.
I COULDN'T SEE THROUGH THE MONITOR. SORRY. THANK YOU.
GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GADDIS. MAY I POSE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
YES YOU MAY, I THINK. YEAH. THE CHAIR WOULD BE YOU COULD GO THROUGH FOR THAT QUESTION.
YOU MAY INDEED INDEED. COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP THAT WAY, I CAN ASK A QUESTION.
THANK YOU. IS IT FEASIBLE? I MEAN, THIS WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING IF THESE THINGS WEREN'T 38FT.
IF YOU WERE TO DO SIX TANKS. I MEAN, ARE THOSE TANKS AVAILABLE? IS IT DETRIMENTAL, YOU KNOW, IN A REALLY BAD WAY OR IS IT FEASIBLE TO DO THAT? YOU LOSE A COUPLE PARKING SPOTS? I UNDERSTAND IS THAT AVAILABLE? YEAH. I THINK THE KEY TAKEAWAY IS THAT THESE TANKS HAVE BEEN SIZED WITH ENGINEERING AND LIKE A PROVEN PLAYBOOK.
THIS IS LIKE BASED ON ENGINEERING. AND THEN ONCE AFTER THE VARIANCE, THERE IS MULTIPLE PROFESSIONAL REVIEWS BY THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTS IN EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES THROUGH THE PERMITTING, THROUGH THE L.A.
YEAH. BUT YOU'RE USING THESE GASES IN YOUR CURRENT OPERATIONS, RIGHT? YES, YES. WITH SMALLER TANKS. YES. OKAY. SO IT IS FEASIBLE TO DO A SMALLER TANKS, MORE SMALLER TANKS. YEAH. SO SIX TANKS RATHER THAN FOUR. RIGHT.
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SO EVERYTHING HAS TO SCALE WITH IT. SO WE CAN'T USE THE SAME SIZE TANKS BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU FILL A TANK, IT'S A TRUCK. AND SO TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENT EARLIER AND LIKE, HOW DO YOU WOULDN'T IT BE THE SAME TIME? NO, LIKE YOU HAVE TO GET DIFFERENT TRUCKS FOR DIFFERENT SIZED TANKS.ONCE YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST PLUG ONE IN AND PLUG ONE OUT THE TIME TO PLUG IT, OR RATHER MADE UP A TRUCK TO A TANK, PRIME ALL THE SYSTEMS. IT'S MUCH, MUCH LONGER.
AND WAS I CONFUSED IN WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT THE FILLING OF THE TANKS WAS AN HOUR LONG PROCESS? YEAH. TYPICALLY FOR THESE SIZE TANKS AND THE LARGER TRUCKS THAT WE WOULD USE FOR THOSE.
OKAY. AND THEN OF COURSE, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HOW LONG IT TAKES TO FILL THE SMALLER TANKS, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE EMPLOYING SMALLER TANKS RIGHT NOW IN YOUR EXISTING OPERATIONS.
ABOUT THE SAME TIME. AND. OKAY. OH, IT TAKES THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
OH OKAY. SO IN FACT, IT WOULD BE A SMALLER TRUCK THAT COMES IN TO FILL THE SMALLER TANKS.
YEAH. BUT MORE SMALLER TRUCKS. WELL, IN OUR CURRENT CONFIGURATION, JUST BECAUSE OF ACCESS, WE NEED A SMALLER TRUCK THAT GETS IN THERE. OH, OKAY.
OKAY. THE NEW SPACE THAT IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE HAD HER MOUSE UP NEXT. YES.
NOBODY OUT THERE MENTIONED 38FT. NO ONE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
THAT HUGE WHITE ONE. SO IF WE COULD OKAY, SIX, 30FT FOOT TANKS, THEN IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE NOT TO OKAY 4, 38 FOOT TANKS IF WE'RE GOING TO OKAY THE TANK.
THIS IS OUR PREROGATIVE. IF IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE PROCESS.
NOBODY WILL EVER ASK FOR THAT APPROVAL. NO. IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE PROCESS OF HAVING THESE GAS IN THE PARKING LOT, I'M SPEAKING, THEN WHETHER THEY'RE 30 OR 38 SHOULDN'T MATTER.
THEY'RE ONLY THIS IS NOT LOGICAL. I'M SORRY. RIGHT.
EXACTLY. YES. YOU'RE RIGHT. WHO CARES? NO ONE CARES IF THEY'RE 38FT.
I DIDN'T HEAR ONE PERSON SAY THEY'RE TOO TALL.
NOT ONE PERSON SAID THAT. WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE HEARING IS ABOUT.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT. YEAH, BUT. YEAH, BUT DO YOU CARE? THERE'S 100 FOOT BUILDING. THEY COULD PUT 100 FOOT BUILDING RIGHT THERE.
THEY'RE ALREADY USING THESE TANKS IN THEIR CURRENT OPERATION. AND THERE'S NO. THE SMALLER ONES. YEAH, BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE, RIGHT? SO WHAT ELSE DON'T WE KNOW? OKAY, LET'S NOT TALK OVER EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC RECORD OF DOCUMENTS OF THIS. IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR BUSINESS, THEN IT ONLY JUST MAKES SENSE IF YOU TRY TO SUGGEST. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE APPLICANT. WELL, NO I DON'T.
OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I WILL ASK YOU, IS THERE ANY OTHER PLACE ON YOUR LAND THAT YOU COULD PUT THESE TANKS? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO WE DID ASSESS THE ENTIRE LAND.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES.
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT NITROGEN AND RUN THE LINES TO ALL OVER THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO THE PRIMARY AREAS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THE NITROGEN IS THE EAST END OF THE BUILDING.
AND THUS THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO PUT THE TANKS CLOSE TO THAT USE.
OKAY, OKAY. I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION AND IT LEFT ME.
YEAH. GO AHEAD. I'LL COME BACK AND COMMISSIONER BOSWELL YOU'RE NEXT.
YEAH, SHE MADE A GREAT POINT. AND IT KIND OF LEADS US TO WONDER, WHY IS THAT? WHY DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY ALL KINDS OF STUFF WE DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF WE DON'T. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A PROPER DECISION ON THIS, BUT MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS, SO THESE 38 FOOT TANKS ARE FILLED BY THE LARGER TRUCKS, LARGER TRUCKS THAT ARE FILLING YOUR SMALLER TANKS AT YOUR ORIGINAL FACILITY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PULL INTO THAT PARKING LOT AND GET FAIRLY CLOSE TO THOSE TANKS.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO MOVE THEIR CARS FOR AN HOUR? NONE. NONE. WE HAVE PLANNED OUT THE PARKING LOT SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANY PEOPLE'S CARS IN THE PATH OF THE TRUCK.
SO YOU COULD PROBABLY DO A LAYOUT THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE SIDEWAYS TANKS.
YEAH, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT. YEAH. WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT LAYOUT ITSELF.
SURE. AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT LAYOUT? SO LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
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OTHER THAN GIVING UP PARKING SPACES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD MORE ANYWAY OTHER THAN PARKING SPACES, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH SIDEWAYS? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PICTURE.SO THE PROBLEM WITH SIDEWAYS AS WELL IS THAT THE TANKS ARE PHYSICALLY DIFFERENT, THE DESIGN OF WHICH AND THE ONES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US THAT ARE PRE-ENGINEERED ARE THE ONES THAT STAND UP VERTICALLY. RE-ENGINEERED.
SORRY, THAT ARE CURRENTLY ENGINEERED. THE ONES ON THEIR SIDE WOULD TAKE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ENGINEERING, DIFFERENT DESIGN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO.
BUT THERE'S STILL, YOU STILL BUY THEM OFF THE SHELF.
I CAN'T COMMENT ON IT. THEY ARE THE SAME PRODUCT. I DON'T KNOW. YOU BUY JUST LIKE THE VERTICAL TANKS. I, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO ASK THE COMPANY THAT BUILDS THEM FOR US. I THINK JEFF'S EARLIER COMMENT WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY STANDING UP WASN'T THAT THESE TANKS WERE, LIKE, OFF THE SHELF. THESE TANKS ARE, YOU KNOW, EXTREMELY PRECISE ENGINEERED INFRASTRUCTURE EQUIPMENT CANNOT JUST BE PURCHASED LIKE RIGHT AWAY.
BUT I THINK THE TAKE HOME MESSAGE IS THAT WE ARE OPTING FOR THE MOST KIND OF PROVEN, THE MOST STANDARD TYPE OF TANKS, THE MOST STANDARD TYPE OF ARRANGEMENTS FOLLOWING THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF SETTING HEIGHTS FOLLOWING THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE TANKS. AND WE'RE DOING THAT TO ENSURE SAFETY.
RIGHT. BECAUSE THE MOST STANDARD VARIATION OF THESE TANKS WILL BE THE MOST, YOU KNOW, SAFE, PROVEN RULE BOOK TO FOLLOW. SO EVEN THOUGH AT THE END OF THAT, THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION LAST TIME I SAID, SO THEY'RE JUST OFF THE SHELF. I GOT IT. I GOT A NOD.
I GOT AN AGREEMENT. THEY ARE OFF THE SHELF. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW IS THAT THEY MAY BE A STANDARD DESIGN AND A STANDARD MANUFACTURED PRODUCT, BUT YOU HAVE TO ORDER THEM AND THEN THEY MAKE THEM.
OR ARE THEY ALREADY MADE AND YOU JUST HAVE THEM DELIVERED. THE TANKS ARE LIKE OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE GAS SUPPLIER. IS THAT WHAT WERE YOU ASKING? NO, I'M ASKING IF THEY'RE NOT OFF THE SHELF CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS CLAIMED BY YOU GUYS PREVIOUSLY.
THEY ARE OFF THE SHELF THEY ARE A STANDARD DESIGN. DO YOU ORDER THEM AND THEY JUST DELIVER THEM. WE ORDER THEM. OR DO YOU ORDER THEM AND THEN THEY MANUFACTURE THEM. IF THEY ARE CURRENTLY BUILT AND IN STOCK, THEN THEY'LL DELIVER THEM.
OKAY. IF THEY ORDER. SO IT'S AN OFF THE SHELF.
SORRY. IT IS AN OFF THE SHELF PRODUCT THAT YOU PURCHASE.
IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE JUST LIKE IF YOU. WELL OF COURSE.
YEAH. YOU CAN'T BUY A SHIRT OFF THE SHELF IF THEY'RE SOLD OUT, RIGHT? BUT WHEN THE NEW ONES COME IN WITH THE NEXT DELIVERY, NOW YOU CAN.
SAME WITH THAT. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT HERE IS THAT IS THAT WE'RE BEING FED THIS LITTLE BITS OF INFORMATION AND ONLY BEING GIVEN MORE DETAILS WHEN WE ASK MORE QUESTIONS.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT THAT DOESN'T ADD UP.
OKAY. AND YOU GUYS ARE HERE FOR WHAT IS, DESCRIBED AS A NEED TO GET OUR APPROVAL TO BUILD SOMETHING TALLER THAN THE CITY HAS EVER ALLOWED IN THAT AREA.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE TO GET OUR APPROVAL IF YOU RECONFIGURE THOSE TANKS.
OKAY. BUT YOU DON'T. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE SMART MOVE, IS TO AVOID HAVING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE LIKE US AS AMATEURS, THROWING A MONKEY WRENCH INTO YOUR EXPANSION.
OKAY, YOU COULD HAVE AVOIDED ALL OF THIS, BUT YOU DIDN'T.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS. I DOUBT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US.
I MEAN, MAYBE YOU'VE BAMBOOZLED THEM AS WELL, BUT I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP JUST BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF GOING IN A CIRCLE.
I'M SORRY. IT WAS WRAPPED UP WITH THAT SENTENCE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THAT. LET ME HAVE A FEW SECONDS. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? TO FINISH A SENTENCE AND SEE IF WE. WE DON'T NEED TO BE SPINNING AROUND FOR TEN MINUTES. DOUG I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE, I DID NOT.
BUT NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY. I'M SORRY I HAD YOUR MOUSE OUT.
OH, WE'VE GOT MORE. OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION, PLEASE. GO AHEAD. I THINK FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE DRIVEN DOWN MANHATTAN BEACH BOULEVARD FOR THE LAST DECADE PLUS, WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS A LOT IN THE LAST DECADE.
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OUTREACH PROBABLY COULD HAVE GOTTEN YOU GUYS A LOT FURTHER, BECAUSE CLEARLY THE ISSUE IS NOT THE HEIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CAME TO US FOR. WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BECAUSE WHEN I SPOKE TO STAFF, YOU SAID THAT THERE ACTUALLY WAS A MEETING ON THE PROPERTY WITH MANY RESIDENTS TO WALK THROUGH THIS.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THAT'S PLAN. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TEAM FROM IMPULSE SPACE.
THEY CAME UP WITH A FLIER AND THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH.
WE DID MEET WITH SOME CONCERNED RESIDENTS ABOUT THIS, AND THE IMPULSE SPACE TEAM JOINED US.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I HAVE I HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE.
GO AHEAD, MR. GADDIS. SO SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COULD PROBABLY BE DONE TO AMELIORATE THE PUBLIC CONCERN. PART OF THAT IS OUTREACH.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE HEARINGS ARE JUST BASED ON THESE EIGHT FOOT TALLER TANKS THAN ACCORDING TO CODE.
THIS HEARING WOULDN'T EVEN BE OCCURRING IF THESE WERE 30 FOOT TANKS.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF SORT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO CONTINUE THE HEARING WHILE THINGS GET SORT OF RE CALCULATED REJIGGERED A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH PERHAPS.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO LEAVE THIS OPEN BUT CONTINUE IT? WELL, THAT'S REALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OF COURSE. I DON'T KNOW IF MUCH.
PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THAT. WE HAD STAFF FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE TO SPEAK TO IT.
BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION'S GOING, YOU MAY WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD REQUEST EITHER AN UP OR DOWN VOTE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A THEY'RE WORKING ON A CERTAIN TIMELINE.
AND THEY MAY LIKE FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE TONIGHT.
BUT I WANTED TO KNOW FROM YOU IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT YOU KNOW OF AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY MUCH A CONCERN AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT.
BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS BECAUSE I MEAN, PUBLIC, I DON'T THINK WAS AWARE THAT NOT ONLY ARE THERE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA AND PERHAPS OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE THEY'RE USING PRECISELY THESE SAME TYPES OF CRYOGENIC INERT GASES FOR THEIR MANUFACTURING PROCESSES. AND IT'S ONGOING. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THESE TANKS ARE BIGGER THAN THE TANKS THAT ARE BEING USED CURRENTLY ELSEWHERE.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME, BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME OTHER THAN THEIR TIMELINE FOR AND THEY WANT EITHER UP OR DOWN VOTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD LEAVE IT OPEN.
THAT'S CORRECT. BUT MY OPINION ON IT IS, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MORE CAN BE GLEANED IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE AS A MONTH, WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE STATED THE HEIGHT OF THE TANKS.
WE PROVIDED AN ANALYSIS OF THE FINDINGS FOR THE VARIANCE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON SAFETY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE FELT WAS NECESSARY FOR THIS MEETING, IT WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TIME TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
BUT I HAVE A SENSE, BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE RECEIVED, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS AWARE OF THIS BASED ON THE PUBLIC NOTICE AND JUST WORD OF MOUTH. SO PROBABLY THE PRIMARY BENEFIT WOULD BE JUST ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET ENGAGED.
BUT I DO ANTICIPATE THAT THE IMPULSE SPACE IS GOING TO BE, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THEM AND THEY PLAN ON DOING AN OPEN HOUSE ONCE THE PROJECT GETS FURTHER ALONG AND REALLY ENGAGING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.
SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES MOVING FORWARD FOR THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE THAT GO WELL BEYOND THESE STORAGE TANKS. YEAH. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS SUCH AS YOU KNOW, THE NIGHT LIGHTING,
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THE SHIELDED LIGHTING, THE NOISE LIMITS. THERE ARE, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OTHER KINDS OF CONDITIONS THERE WHICH MAY, YOU KNOW, MAY BE APPLIED. HEY, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT IT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WARM AND FUZZIES FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS THING.AND IT VERY WELL MAY BE THEY COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE COMING BACK WITH A DESIGN WITH 30 FOOT TANKS, AND THAT WOULD BASICALLY ELIMINATE THIS WHOLE THING, WOULDN'T IT? WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONTINUE IT.
OKAY. SO WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL NOT TO CLOSE IT.
WELL, WE COULD TAKE LIKE A LITTLE VOTE ON THAT OR DISCUSS.
WELL, NO, NO, I'M ASKING THE PROCEDURE. RIGHT.
IF WE CLOSE IT, THEN THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROCESS TO REOPENING IT.
BUT IF WE LEAVE IT OPEN AND CONTINUE IT, THEN COME BACK IN, THEN WE COME BACK IN.
RIGHT. SEE, THAT'S A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. AM I CORRECT? I THINK SO. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT. DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, SEAN? YEAH THAT WOULD BE THE PROCEDURE. IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE IT, YOU'D LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN THAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD FOR DOING THAT. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY AN AGREEMENT, FIRST OF ALL, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S FEASIBLE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED AN UP OR DOWN VOTE TONIGHT. AND THE SECOND THING IS HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED TO DO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH OR REDESIGN? I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE FOR YOU. IF THE INTENT OF TO DELAY THE VOTE, IF YOU WILL, IS JUST TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT INDEPENDENT OF THE VOTE.
WELL, OKAY, TWO THINGS. AND IT MAY BE BOTH, OR IT MAY BE EITHER ONE.
ONE IS A PUBLIC WHO BETTER UNDERSTANDS THESE TANKS, WHAT'S IN THEM AND WHAT THE REAL DANGER IS BECAUSE THERE IS WILD MISUNDERSTANDING IN MY OPINION, OF HOW DANGEROUS THESE ARE AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THESE ARE BEING USED ALL OVER.
YOU'RE CURRENTLY USING THEM IN YOUR OTHER. THEY'RE JUST SMALLER TANKS, YOU KNOW.
AND THESE THINGS ARE BEING USED MUCH MORE HAZARDOUS THINGS ARE GOING ON JUST A BLOCK AWAY.
I MEAN, IT'S THERE ARE MUCH MORE DANGEROUS THINGS GOING ON ELSEWHERE AND STUFF.
NOT TO SAY THAT THAT EXCUSES ANYTHING BUT THIS.
IN MY OPINION, THIS IS REALLY NOT DANGEROUS. BUT THERE'S A BROAD MISUNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET IN FOR THIS APPROVAL.
IF I FELT LIKE THIS THING WOULD FLY TO GET IN SOME OTHER CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, NOISE LIMITS, THE LIGHTING, OTHER THINGS THAT WERE POINTED OUT ABOUT THE NEARBY NORTHROP FACILITY THAT THEY DON'T WANT REPEATED ON THIS, WHICH WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PUBLIC. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T REALLY THE DECISION POINT HERE ON THIS.
YEAH, I THINK WE, I THINK WE'D LIKE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WHENEVER IS CAN YOU KNOW THE BEST FOR THE COMMISSION HERE? WE'D LIKE THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, INDEPENDENTLY WE'RE ALREADY ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
YES. WE COULD HAVE DONE MORE. WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT AND WE PLAN TO DO MORE.
WE'VE ALREADY ENGAGED THEM ABOUT MEETING THEM ON THEIR TERMS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR ON OUR SITE, IF THAT'S PREFERABLE. AND WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, WE'RE STAYING BEHIND. WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION OR IN THE STAGE HAS HERE TODAY. OKAY. BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU GET A THUMBS DOWN TONIGHT? WHAT DOES THAT DO? YEAH, IT'S PRETTY IMPACTFUL TO OUR BUSINESS.
OKAY. AND SO, I MEAN, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR ANYONE INVOLVED.
CERTAINLY THE IMPACT IS ABSOLUTELY PARKING. IT IS ALSO IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S JUST MORE MORE TRUCKS. SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
BUT BUT YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THAT IMPACT ASSESSMENT.
OKAY. AND I BELIEVE ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE WAS NEXT AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU GUYS.
GO AHEAD. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BRING THIS BACK BECAUSE I TRUST CITY STAFF
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AND I TRUST THESE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.I TRUST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT DANGEROUS.
WE KNOW THAT THESE TANKS EXIST ALL OVER THOSE AEROSPACE AREAS.
THAT WHOLE THING IS AEROSPACE. AND THAT'S BEEN AEROSPACE FOREVER.
AND SO IT JUST ISN'T REALLY LOGICAL FOR ME TO SAY NO TO THESE 38 FOOT TANKS WHEN THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN COME IN FRONT OF US IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SIZE OF THE TANKS.
I TRUST, YOU KNOW, WELL, THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY SHOULD PROBABLY TRUST YOU.
I BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT DANGEROUS.
THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. I MEAN, I DON'T THE PUBLIC HAS ALSO HEARD THIS PRESENTATION.
SO THEY HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THEY'RE NOT DANGEROUS.
THEY'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY. WE CAN PUT IN OUR TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DON'T HAVE LIGHTS SHINING INTO THE INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT NORTHROP.
THAT'S JUST WRONG FOR THAT TO BE THE SITUATION THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE.
BUT IT'S NOT ON. I GET IT, MARC, BUT WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT.
SO WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE AND THAT THEY ONLY DROP OFF BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER TRAFFIC BETWEEN 10 AND 1 OR WHATEVER. SO THAT CAN GO IN THAT TONIGHT, THAT VARIANCE IS THAT WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG GUY. WELL, I MEAN I'M SAYING YOU WANT TO YOU BROUGHT UP BRINGING IT BACK.
I DON'T WANT TO BRING IT BACK. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE. NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE IS OKAY.
OXYGEN SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THAT. RIGHT. WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT WAS WRONG.
BUT WE'LL FIX THAT TONIGHT. WE'LL FIX THAT. OKAY.
WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE LIGHTING. WE'LL PUT THAT IN THERE.
I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT LOGICAL TO NOT. RIGHT. OKAY THEY ARE TANKS.
BECAUSE IT WAS A NO BRAINER KIND OF THING. YEAH.
I'M NOT SURE IF BOSWELL OR LIGHT OR LIGHT WAS FIRST.
NO. COMMISSIONER LIGHT, GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. NOT EXACTLY SURE I TRUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE. HERE'S MY PROBLEM WITH THIS. I EXPRESSED SOME OF IT, BUT AND WHY I THINK A DELAY IS NOT A TERRIBLE IDEA. THERE'S NO REAL SAFETY. I'M REALLY RESONATING TO THIS BOILER.
YEAH. SAFETY THING CEQA IS NOT APPLYING HERE.
THERE IS NOT AN EVACUATION ROUTE PLAN. THIS IS NOT.
THERE ISN'T A SAFETY PLAN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AS FAR AS I KNOW. THEY SAID THEY, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT IT AND THERE'S GOING TO BE PERMITS. AND BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THAT THERE IS NOT SOMETHING THERE THAT WOULD BE UNSAFE. IF THAT SPEAKER WAS RIGHT ONE LITER OF LIQUID NITROGEN RELEASED TURNS INTO 700 TIMES 700 LITERS OF GAS. SO IT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE SAFE SITUATION.
SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I'M NOT A SCIENTIST, BUT THE WRONG KIND OF.
I'M A BRAIN SCIENTIST, NOT A CHEMICAL SCIENTIST.
I'M NOT HEARING ENOUGH TO SAY THAT THIS IS SAFE.
AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS AS IS AND I'LL BE A NO.
AND WITH THE DISCLAIMER. DOCTOR ZAREMBSKI IS MY WIFE.
WE LIVE THREE BLOCKS FROM YOU GUYS, SO WE'RE NEIGHBORS, SO I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE VESTED INTEREST IN THE SAFETY OF IT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. AND ONE THING, ONE QUICK QUESTION.
I WAS GOING TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION. SO FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE CHEMISTRY OF OUR ATMOSPHERE, IT'S JUST UNDER 80% OF OUR ATMOSPHERE IS NITROGEN.
NO, I KNOW THAT. SO THAT ONE I KNOW. YEAH. ANYWAY, COMMISSIONER BOSWELL.
YEAH. JUST HOW MUCH OF IT? IF IT'S 100% NITROGEN.
YOU DIE. YEAH. WELL, I'M 100% AS A SCUBA DIVER.
I KNOW NITROGEN VERY WELL. I'VE AVOIDED THE BENDS MY WHOLE TIME SCUBA DIVING.
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SO COMMISSIONER BOSWELL. AM I NEXT. I'VE BEEN CALLING ON YOU.CAN I HAVE TWO TURNS BACK TO BACK? OH, YOU'RE GOING TO.
IS THAT STILL PLANNED TO HAPPEN OR DID THAT ALREADY HAPPEN? DID I HEAR THAT WRONG? SO IT'S PLANNED TO HAPPEN.
SHOW AND TELL. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. THE FACILITY RIGHT NOW IS A SHELL.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN IT OTHER THAN HVAC, LIGHTING, ELECTRICAL.
SO THERE'S NOT A COMMUNITY WALK THROUGH. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO SEE. AS WE BUILD OUT THE FACILITY WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND HAVE PEOPLE COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS. BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO LOOK AT YET BECAUSE YOU'VE JUST STARTED IT. NOTHING TO LOOK AT STARTED IT. YEAH, A LOT OF DIRT. I LOVE MANUFACTURING.
I'VE WORKED WITH MANUFACTURING COMPANIES FOR 40 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF AN EXPLOSION. I'VE HEARD OF LEAKS.
I'VE HEARD OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES. BUT AND I WOULD WELCOME MORE MANUFACTURING TO COME TO REDONDO BEACH IN WHAT'S LEFT OF OUR SLOWLY CANNIBALIZED INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONES THAT ARE GOING TO RESIDENTIAL.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE MANUFACTURING. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE GETTING INTO HERE, EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH GROUNDWORK TO BE HERE TODAY.
AND THERE'S NO HAZMAT PLAN. THERE'S NO SAFETY PLAN.
THERE'S NO EVACUATION PLAN. AS COMMISSIONER LIGHT MENTIONED.
I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE THAT. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT MORE BROADLY, WE ARE LIVING IN A COUNTRY THAT IS SLOWLY BUT SURELY OVER THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, 20, 30, 40 YEARS ELIMINATING REGULATIONS.
AND A CASE IN POINT IS THAT A COMMUNITY GROUP HAS JUST HAD A BIG SUCCESS IN MOVING A METRO RAIL LINE FROM A FREIGHT LINE, WHERE IT WOULD BE SHARING, WHERE ELECTRIFIED PASSENGER TRAINS WOULD BE SHARING A RIGHT OF WAY WITH HIGHLY PRESSURIZED LIQUEFIED PETROLEUM GAS TANKS THAT DO VENT. AND WE WERE ABLE TO OR THAT GROUP WAS ABLE TO GET THAT MOVED OVER TO HAWTHORNE AS AN ELEVATED RAIL.
THAT WAS A SEVEN YEAR FIGHT, ESPECIALLY THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
WELL, AWARENESS OF IT WENT WAY, WAY FURTHER BACK.
BUT WHAT WE FOUND OR WHAT THEY WHAT PEOPLE THAT LOOKED INTO THIS FOUND AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW IS THAT DUE TO ELIMINATION OF RAILWAY REGULATIONS WHEN THIS STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO THERE WAS A DERAILMENT IN THIS COUNTRY ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.
I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RAIL LINES.
I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO GET FOCUS BACK ON THAT.
GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET 30 MORE SECONDS.
I WILL AS LONG AS YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE ISSUE AT HAND.
AND I AM. WHICH IS A VARIANCE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RAIL LINE SYSTEMS. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE COMPARISON REDUCING REGULATIONS? SEVEN YEARS AGO, THERE WERE 1 OR 2 DERAILMENTS A WEEK IN THIS COUNTRY.
BY THE TIME WE WERE FINISHED, THERE WAS ONE EVERY SINGLE DAY SOMEWHERE, AS REGULATIONS ARE ELIMINATED BECAUSE THAT'S BUSINESS FRIENDLY, MORE AND MORE OF THESE ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR TEN YEARS WITH THOSE TANKS.
MAYBE THEY WON'T NEED TO BE INSPECTED MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR INSTEAD OF ONCE A MONTH.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SO THAT A COMMUNITY THAT IS CLEARLY UPSET ABOUT THIS AND AFRAID CAN BE PUT THEIR FEARS CAN BE PUT TO EASE. IF YOU CAN DO THAT, I SEE NO PROBLEM. SO I THINK WE NEED TO TO MOVE THIS OUT ANOTHER MONTH, GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ALL THOSE DUCKS IN A ROW AND TO FORM SOME KIND OF A HAZMAT PLAN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR LA FIRE, WHOEVER'S GOING TO ASSIST YOU ON THAT AND COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US THE WHOLE STORY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A PROPER DECISION.
YEAH. TO THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN REDONDO BEACH.
THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU JUST ADDED, LIKE, 40 SECONDS TO THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY ON TOPIC.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LET ME FINISH. I DON'T WANT TO STAY TANGENTS LIKE YOU.
RAIL LINES AND OIL THINGS. I FOUGHT WITH THAT GROUP WITH YOU, BY THE WAY.
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AND I DON'T DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO A NEED TO HERE.AND YET HERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AND WASTING MORE TIME.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. PLEASE GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY UNFAIR THAT WHAT THE PUBLIC HAD TO REFERENCE WAS NOT ACCURATE.
THAT'S NOT FAIR. GOING BACK TO WHAT I THINK, HOW CONTINUING THIS WOULD NOT BE IN IMPULSE'S BEST INTEREST. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, EVERYTHING GENERALLY COMES DOWN TO MONEY, RIGHT? IT'S PROBABLY CHEAPER TO PUT VERTICAL TANKS IN.
IT'S CHEAPER TO USE SOMETHING THAT IS MASS. I MEAN, CLEARLY NOT MASS PRODUCED, BUT PRODUCED ON A LARGER SCALE THAN SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT. YOU CAN GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU CAN SAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS STUFF IN.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. WHETHER IT GOES IN SIX THIS FOOT SIZE CONTAINERS OR IT GOES IN THIS, THEN THAT'S THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IF DOWN THE LINE YOU WANT TO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE, GREAT.
BUT YOUR PUBLIC OUTREACH SHOULD HAVE STARTED BEFORE THIS PERMIT WENT INTO PLACE SAYING LIKE, HEY, NEIGHBORS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
YOU KNOW, IF THIS MEETING GETS CONTINUED AND THIS PUTS YOU A MONTH BEHIND OR SIX MONTHS BEHIND AND COSTS YOU MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING YOU GUYS TO COME OUT OR IMPULSE IS PAYING YOU GUYS TO COME OUT AGAIN. THEN LIKE THAT'S, PART OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE A BAD NEIGHBOR.
AND I THINK WITH SOME FEEDBACK THAT'S HAPPENED TONIGHT, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
THERE'S ROOM TO, TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MAKING THE RIGHT STEPS.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT ACTUALLY STARTED UNTIL PEOPLE WERE REALLY, REALLY UPSET AND REALLY STARTED DIGGING THEIR HEELS IN A LOT MORE THAN THE STAFF. AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE.
COMMISSIONER GADDIS I SEE YOUR. YEAH. AND I SO I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS PUT OXYGEN INTO THE REPORT, INTO THE STAFF REPORT. RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE STATED THAT THESE TANKS WERE GOING TO HAVE LIQUID OXYGEN.
OUR INTENT WAS NITROGEN AND ARGON. OKAY. OKAY.
SO IT'S NOT. RIGHT. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS DIRECTED TO STAFF.
NOT FAIR TO BLAME THE APPLICANT. BUT STAFF IS STAFF IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INFORMING THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. OKAY. OKAY.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
AND YEAH, IT BECOMES ALARMING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHLY FLAMMABLE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL HAZARD, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO YEAH, SOME THINGS HAVE GOTTEN OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT AND THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT, AGAIN, THAT YOU GUYS ARE AND MANY DIFFERENT COMPANIES ARE USING EXACTLY THE SAME CHEMICALS, THE SAME PRESSURIZED PROCESS CRYOGENIC. IT'S A VERY COMMON THING, BUT THE PUBLIC DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, HERE'S THE THING. AT FIRST I WAS THINKING, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A PUBLIC SORT OF WALK THROUGH OF YOUR CURRENT FACILITIES? BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING IS EXPANDING YOUR CURRENT FACILITIES. AND THEN I REMEMBERED EVERYBODY IN THERE IS IN A WHAT IS THE SUIT CALLED, THE BUNNY SUITS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A DUST FREE ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE DOING THAT.
SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW FEASIBLE THAT IS, ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE NORTHROP GRUMMAN, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME SORT OF PUBLIC VIEWING OF THEIR SATELLITE WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER SPACE TELESCOPES INSIDE THOSE BIG BUILDINGS OVER THERE AND STUFF.
I THINK THERE'S SOME. ANYWAY, I'LL LEAVE ALL THAT UP TO YOU AND STUFF.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY LAST COMMENT. IF THAT'S THE LAST COMMENT, THEN I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND.
SECOND. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. OR COMMENTS HERE.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS. SECOND. TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
SO I HAVE A SECOND. I'VE MADE MY MOTION. ANY OTHER MOTION, OR SHOULD WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS? IS THAT ENOUGH TIME. YES. OKAY. SHE SECONDED.
I SECONDED. COMMISSIONER BOSWELL DID. OKAY. OKAY.
AND WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE YES. OKAY.
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COMMISSIONER LIGHT. I VOTE TO EXTEND IT. YES.COMMISSIONER BOSWELL I SAY YES. LET'S EXTEND IT.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG. AYE. COMMISSIONER GADDIS.
AYE. COMMISSIONER CONROY. COMMISSIONER HAZELTINE.
OKAY. YEAH. SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THAT IS. OKAY, SO THAT'S ITEM J. SO J.2 IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. SO WE ARE NOW MOVING TO ITEMS CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS WHICH WE'VE JUST DONE FOR NEXT MEETING.
ANYTHING FROM PRIOR MEETINGS WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER OR MR. SCULLY, I'M SORRY. NO, THERE ARE NO ITEMS FROM STAFF.
MARC, DO YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS? NO. AND SO ITEM L ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION.
ANYTHING WE HAVE TO DO ON THAT. ITEMS FROM STAFF YOU JUST SAID NO.
ANY COMMISSION REFERRALS TO STAFF. OKAY, SO I GOT A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.