Sep 09, 2026 Public Amenities Commission

IT'S ABOUT 6:33. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER TO ORDER.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART. READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AND MY INVOCATION FOR TODAY IS TO WELCOME ALL OF OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS.

WE REALLY ENJOY HAVING YOU WITH US AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A VERY PRODUCTIVE.

AT LEAST FOR ME, IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR YEARS. I THINK FOR MOST OF YOU IT'LL BE AT LEAST TWO YEARS, IF NOT LONGER.

SO WELCOME HERE. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ABOUT THE BROWN ACT AT SOME POINT, BUT WE ARE HERE TO ASSIST YOU IN ANY WAY WE CAN.

SO MOVING ALONG ON THE AGENDA, THE NEXT PART IS THE APPROVE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA.

[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]

WE'LL JUST DO IT BY ACCLAMATION. MAKE CHALLENGES FOR THE MINUTE KEEPER.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE BLUE FOLDER ITEMS.

[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]

SO, CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE BLUE FOLDER ITEMS? SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU.

IS THERE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED SAY NO.

OKAY. SO, WE'VE RECEIVED AND FILED THE BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. WE'RE MOVING TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. AND THESE ITEMS ARE FORMALLY NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]

THERE'S FOUR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ANYBODY WISH TO PULL AN ITEM? OKAY THEN I'M GOING TO PULL ITEMS F.2 AND AT F.3.

SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS F.1 AND F.4? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT WITH REGARDS TO ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? ANYBODY ONLINE? NO ONE ONLINE. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE? OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS F.1 AND F.4 ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE NOW MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS, AND I'M GOING TO SINCE I PULLED THEM OUT TO START WITH F THREE,

[G. EXCLUDED CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS]

ABSOLUTELY. AND ALSO AS A PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION LIAISON, I KNOW THAT I'VE MET EACH OF YOU, BUT I DO WELCOME YOU ABOARD AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

WE DO HAVE AN AMAZING DISPLAY IN THE MAIN LIBRARY LOBBY THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE HISTORY OF OUR REDONDO BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENT.

IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, PLEASE DO CHECK IT OUT.

IT'S A WONDERFUL EXHIBIT. IN FACT, I FEEL LIKE THEY'VE RAISED THE BAR FOR US, SO IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED.

AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, WE COORDINATED WITH THEM AND THEY CAME IN AFTER HOURS AND DID THAT DISPLAY.

AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING TO COME IN IN THE MORNING AND SEE THAT.

SO WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THEM SHARING SOME AMAZING PHOTOS OF THEIR HISTORY.

AND THEN ALSO, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BECOME A REMINDER ON ANOTHER TOPIC OF THIS MONTH IS NATIONAL LIBRARY CARD REGISTRATION MONTH.

GET YOUR LIBRARY CARD MONTH. SO WE DO HAVE PROGRAMS GOING ON SOME INCENTIVES, BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD A FOAM BOARD BLOWUP OF THE LIBRARY CARD OF OUR NEW LIBRARY CARD WITH A NEW REDONDO BEACH LOGO ON IT.

I THINK IT LOOKS PRETTY FANTASTIC. PEOPLE CAN TAKE A PHOTO OF IT WHEN THEY GET THEIR CARD AND IF THEY SO,

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YES. ON THESE LIBRARY CARDS, DOES THAT MEAN OUR CURRENT LIBRARY CARDS ARE PHASING OUT, OR DO WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM? I THINK THAT WAS WE PROBABLY HAD THAT IN A COUPLE REPORTS AGO IN MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THE NEW CITY LOGO TO INCORPORATE IT IN THE DESIGN.

SO WE HAVE A NEW, VERY CLEAN AND I THINK ROBUST REPRESENTATION OF A CARD.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE ALREADY, PLEASE GET ONE.

THEY'RE VERY COOL. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GET A REPLACEMENT CARD, YOU CAN SEE OUR CIRCULATION DESK FOR THE PROCESS, BUT I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY FANTASTIC AND THE LOGO LOOKS AMAZING ON THEM.

LIKE I SAID, VERY CLEAN AND VERY PROFESSIONAL.

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, HOW DID THEY GET THOSE? I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW. SO THOSE ARE NOT FAMILIAR.

DISPLAY CASES ARE I WOULD SAY THEY'RE WOODEN FRAMED WITH A GLASS CASE, A TRADITIONAL DISPLAY CASE, IF YOU WILL. BUT OUR FIREFIGHTERS, LOCAL FIREFIGHTERS ARE VERY INGENIOUS AND CREATIVE.

SO, WHEN WE CAME IN. ACTUALLY, I SAW PHOTOS. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME, BUT I SAW PHOTOS AHEAD OF TIME AND I THOUGHT IT WAS MAYBE AI OR PHOTOSHOP, BUT IF I CAME IN AND THEY ACTUALLY PUT THE REDONDO BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENT HISTORY INFORMATION ABOVE IT IN A LARGE STENCIL.

SO BASICALLY THEY'RE PLASTIC STENCILS THAT ADHERE TO THE VERY TOP OF THE DISPLAY CASE, BUT IT LOOKS AMAZING.

AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF THE DISPLAY CASE, BUT WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO AND IT'S TOTALLY REMOVABLE, BUT IT LOOKS SO COOL. SO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN HOW THEY DID THAT.

THEY'RE VERY CREATIVE. WE CAN BORROW THAT IDEA FROM THEM.

WE HOPE TO USE IT IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT MAKES IT POP FOR SURE.

OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL DO IT TOGETHER.

SO, THE ONLY THING I SAW THAT JUMPED OUT. I'M GETTING USED TO THIS SUMMER THING IS JACK MYERS IDENTIFIED IN ITEM NUMBER M AS SPEAKING BEFORE US AND BEING IN ATTENDANCE.

AND HE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED AS AN OFFICIAL PRESENT DURING THE MEETING.

SO GREAT. AND I SEE AGAIN, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATOR'S NOW GOT OUR FOURTH TITLE IN AS MANY MONTHS, SO THANK YOU. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE. SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON MINUTES.

OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM F. F, EXCUSE ME F.2 WITH THE AMENDMENT AND F.3. I RECEIVE AND FILE.

SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. OKAY, I'LL ASK AGAIN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYTHING? OKAY, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED? SAY NO. OKAY. SO WE ARE MOVING ON.

THAT'S PASSES. WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM H WHICH IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. THE SECTIONS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION.

THE SECTION IS LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE CHAIR AND COMMISSION.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED ONLY TO SPEAK ONCE.

DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? I HAVE ONE CARD, BUT IT'S FOR AN AGENDA ITEM J.1.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE? LET ME CHECK. NOBODY ONLINE.

OKAY, DOES ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SAY SOMETHING IN WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION? OKAY, WELL, THAT'S THE QUICKEST SESSION WE'VE HAD ON IT.

SO, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

[I. EX PARTE COMMUNICATION]

COMMISSIONER SPJUTE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROY? I DO NOT. COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ? NO COMMENT. NONE. NONE. NONE. OKAY. SO, I HAVE ONE.

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SO, I DID WRITE THE HISTORY ON THE WILDERNESS PARK THING.

I WROTE IT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE, WHEN I WAS ON THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, WE HAD A THING CALLED A MOMENT OF HISTORY.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CONTENT IN YOUR PACKET COMES FROM.

I ALSO DID PROVIDE INFORMATION TO OUR, TO MR. CIAMPA WITH REGARDS TO THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN YOUR BLUE FOLDER AS WELL.

SO, I DID SOME RESEARCH. I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT DOESN'T COME TO A CONFLICT, BUT B, I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO ABSTAIN ON THIS VOTE EITHER.

SO, WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO OUR TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[J. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN UP OUR PUBLIC HEARING? MOTION TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THAT FORMALITY, BUT IT'S NICE TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE AT THE SECOND STAGE OF IT IS TO TAKE TESTIMONY FROM STAFF, APPLICANT AND INTERESTED PARTIES. SO WHY DON'T WE START OFF WITH OUR STAFF REPORT.

GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, JOHN CIAMPA.

I'M THE SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE CITY, WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU THE PROPOSED PROJECT AT 209 AVENUE NEW E.

IT'S A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT ABOUT THE PROPERTY IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF AVENUE E.

IT IS ZONED R-1 OR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S A 6,200 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

THE EXISTING HOUSE IS 1,927FT² WITH A DETACHED GARAGE THAT'S 147FT² WITH A, WITH A CARPORT ATTACHED TO IT OFF OF THE ALLEY. WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS EVALUATED, IT WAS PROVIDED WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF A B RATING, WHICH IS A VERY SOLID GOOD QUALITY AND HISTORIC INTEGRITY.

THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE IS TUDOR, AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1925.

SOME OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDING HAVE INCLUDED A ONE, 215 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION THAT OCCURRED IN 1956.

HOWEVER, THAT WAS LOCATED AT THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE INCLUDED A BEDROOM AND BATHROOM ADDITION.

THE HOME IS DESIGNATED WAS DESIGNATED A HISTORIC LANDMARK IN 2023 AND GIVEN THE NAME MCCANDLESS HOUSE. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? AND THEN IT ALSO DID OBTAIN A MILLS ACT CONTRACT WITH THE CITY BACK IN 2023.

SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOME ALONG AVENUE E.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DEFINITELY HAS STRONG REPRESENTATIONS OF THE TUDOR DESIGN AND THAT IT DOES HAVE THE STEEP PITCHED ROOF, HAND TROWELED STUCCO FINISH, AS WELL AS DECORATIVE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE AS WELL AS ARCHED WOOD FRONT WINDOWS, BRICK ACCENTS, DECORATIVE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS, AND AN OFF-CENTER ENTRY PORCH WITH THE STREET FACING GABLE.

SO, THIS IS DEFINITELY A DESIGN REFLECTIVE OF THE TUDOR, TUDOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

AND IS VERY UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA. HERE WE HAVE THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.

MOST PROMINENTLY HERE YOU CAN SEE THE 1950S ADDITION OFF THE BACK WITH THE PATIO COVERED TRELLIS.

AND THEN AGAIN, THIS DOES FACE, IS FACING THE WHAT IS THE DETACHED GARAGE AND CARPORT.

SO, THE PROPOSED PROJECT BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS TO DEMOLISH AND RECONSTRUCT THE 215 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, THAT OCCURRED BACK IN 1956, AS WELL AS A NEW ADDITION OF 356FT².

ALSO, AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHICH WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM AVENUE E.

WHILE THE EXISTING ROOF IS 18FT² IN HEIGHT FOR THE STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED ADDITION WOULD BE LOWER AT 15FT, SO IT WOULD BE THREE FEET LOWER. THE DESIGN HAS INCORPORATED IN A TRANSITIONAL PARAPET AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE,

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AND THEN THE ADDITION IS PROPOSED IN A NEUTRAL DESIGN WITH A FLAT ROOF AND PARAPETS, AS WELL AS STUCCO SIDING AND WINDOW DESIGNS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE COMPONENTS.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE IMAGE ABOVE INITIALLY THE APPLICATION DID INCLUDE A PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE GARAGE AND STORAGE AREA.

HOWEVER, THAT HAS BEEN OMITTED FROM THE PROJECT SCOPE.

SO, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS JUST THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE, TO THE HOME ITSELF, WHICH IS IN THAT DASHED RED LINE AROUND THE HOUSE.

SO, IN THE DIAGONAL GRAPHIC THERE AT THE BACK IS WHERE THAT 1956 ADDITION WAS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE THEN IN GRAY IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION.

SO, EVERYTHING IS LOCATED IN THE BACK HALF OF THE LOT.

THE PROPOSED ADDITION DOES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, INCLUDING SETBACKS.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE IS A PORTION THAT DOES EXTEND OR OF THE EXISTING HOME FROM THAT 1956 ADDITION THAT DID EXTEND INTO THAT SIDE YARD SETBACK SO THAT IT WILL BE PULLED BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.

AND WE'LL STILL BE PROVIDING ALL THE NECESSARY APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

AND IN THE IMAGE BELOW, YOU CAN SEE IN TERMS OF THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE REMODELING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE, WHICH WOULD KIND OF REWORK SOME OF THE ROOMS AND MODERNIZE THE LIVING SPACE, AS WELL AS PROVIDE A NEW MASTER BEDROOM SUITE, WHICH WOULD BE INCLUSIVE OF A, EN SUITE BATHROOM AS WELL AS A WALK-IN CLOSET.

SO HERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS. AS YOU SAW, WE ALREADY HAD THE PHOTOS REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS.

SO AGAIN, REFLECTIVE OF THE TUDOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WITH THE STEEP PITCHED ROOFS, WINDOWS DESIGNS AND DECORATIVE ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCORPORATED THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE REAR HALF OF THE BUILDING ALONG THAT WEST ELEVATION AS WELL AS THE NORTH OR REAR ELEVATION, IS THE INCORPORATION OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION HERE.

AND SO, IT IS OF A NEUTRAL DESIGN. IT DOES HAVE A STEPPED BREAK BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE WITH THAT PARAPET TIED INTO THE ROOF. SO, IT DOES PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THE, AND THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS.

AND AGAIN, IT'S A NEUTRAL DESIGN TO NOT BE OVER OVERSTATE THE HISTORIC PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

AND IT WOULD HAVE VERY LITTLE TO NO VISIBILITY FROM THE AVENUE E AND POSSIBLY SOME VERY MINOR VISIBILITY FROM THE ALLEY. AND THEN JUST IN TERMS OF THE ANALYSIS THAT GOES INTO THE REVIEW OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR A HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS ASSESSMENT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROJECTS WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. SO, THIS IS A NATIONAL STANDARD THAT'S ADOPTED BY THE STATES AS WELL AS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AS THE CITY IS A LOCAL CERTIFIED LOCAL CLG, A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

IT'S REGULATORY ELEMENTS IN ITS ZONING CODE ARE REFLECTIVE OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.

AND SO, THE KEY STANDARDS, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON HERE LATER, IS THAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPATIBLE BUT YET DIFFERENTIATED, WHICH STAFF HAS ANALYZED THAT.

AND THEN THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS DO NOT RESULT IN ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES.

SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE SITE DOES MEAN IS MAINTAINED AS A RESIDENTIAL USE AND PRESERVES THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURES AND MATERIALS OF THE HOME AS WELL AS THE ADDITION IS BEHIND THE HOUSE AND IS SUBORDINATE TO THE ORIGINAL HOME AND COULD BE REMOVED IF NECESSARY FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD 10, AS WELL AS THE NEW STUCCO AND WINDOW DESIGNS ARE SIMILAR IN FOR COMPATIBILITY PURPOSES TO THE ORIGINAL HOME, AS WELL AS THE FORM AND INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL HOME IS MAINTAINED.

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SO IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT, THE PROPOSED ADDITION AND PROJECT HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE ZONING STANDARDS FOR THE R-1 AND HAS BEEN FOUND TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THOSE. SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE ADOPTION OF THE DECLARATION, APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REMODEL AND ADDITIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 209 AVENUE E.

THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

SO JUST SO OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO ASK THE STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK THE STAFF NOW YOU'RE WELCOME TO, OR YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE GET ALL THE TESTIMONY IN FROM WHOEVER HERE TO TESTIFY AND ASK THAT.

SO, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO, I NOTED THE RENDERING OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT THERE WAS A, A SKYLIGHT ON THE ROOF TO THE RIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY.

IS THAT THERE? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE IN THE STREET VIEW WHEN I LOOKED AT IT ONLINE.

WHICH SLIDE ARE YOU SEEING THAT? AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE DRAWING.

RIGHT. SO, THE UPPER LEFT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A SKYLIGHT.

AND IN THE PLANS IT INDICATES THAT THOSE ARE NEW SKYLIGHTS.

YEAH. THAT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN A, AN UNINTENDED CARRYOVER FROM THE ARCHITECT.

BUT YEAH, AS YOU SAW FROM THE PHOTOS THAT THAT IS NOT THERE CURRENTLY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE ADDITION OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO HAVE NEW STUCCO AND WINDOWS.

WHAT ABOUT THE PART THAT THE REMODELED PART. HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO YOU TIE THAT IN TOGETHER? IS IT RETAINING THE ORIGINAL STUCCO AND WINDOWS? SO, THERE IS SOME RECONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE YARDS.

HOWEVER, THAT WOULD JUST BE YES. AGAIN, TYING INTO THE EXISTING IN TERMS OF TEXTURE COLORS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT.

SO, IT'S GOING, IT'S GOING TO BE NEW. WE'RE NOT RETAINING WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? FOR THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING MODIFIED. CORRECT.

AND THE STUCCO AS WELL. IN THE AREAS WHERE IT'S MODIFIED, THAT STUCCO CAN'T, CAN'T BE PRESERVED.

SO, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE. WELL, IT'S JUST WHERE THE HOLE WOULD BE.

SO, IF THERE ARE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE WINDOW SIZING IS WHERE THAT STUCCO WOULD BE MATCHED.

OKAY. CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT TO THE PLANS. RIGHT.

RIGHT THERE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.

OKAY. SO THERE'S. I'M LOOKING TO SEE WHERE THE.

IF THERE'S A WINDOW THERE. IN THE AREA OF THE 1956 ADDITION.

IS THERE IS THERE CURRENTLY A WINDOW THAT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED? IS THERE IS BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WALL WHERE THE BED IS ARE THERE NEW WINDOWS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT. SO THE FLOOR PLAN THERE WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT ALL THE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND THEIR LOCATIONS WOULD BE AS WELL AS REFLECTIVE IN THE ELEVATIONS.

SO THAT THE ADDITIONS WOULD HAVE ALL NEW WINDOWS, DOORS, STUCCO.

I THINK THE ARCHITECTS HERE, IF YOU WANT TO ASK.

YEAH. THIS IS THE ARCHITECT HERE OR WHO'S HERE.

THE HOMEOWNERS HERE. AND THEY'RE VERY WELL VERSED IN THE PLANS. BUT I GUESS.

I'M. CAN YOU HELP CLARIFY WHAT, BECAUSE THE 1956 ADDITION IS.

SO, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T APPEAR FROM, FROM THESE FROM THESE PLANS THAT THERE'S A WINDOW THERE OR THAT THERE WILL BE WINDOWS IN THE REMODEL IN THAT ONE PART. HERE'S A PICTURE. LOOK AT THE ELEVATION.

THEY HAVE THE WINDOWS ON THE ELEVATION. ELEVATIONS.

OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND TESTIFY.

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IF YOU WANT TO GET THE TESTIMONY OF THE HOMEOWNERS AND HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM DIRECTLY.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE IMAGE, THE EXISTING WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A WINDOW THERE. OKAY.

BUT THAT'S AGAIN, A PART OF THE 1956 ADDITION THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED.

AND SO, IF WE FLIP BACK TO THE PROPOSED ADDITION, THERE WE GO.

SO, THERE'S NO WINDOW PROPOSED THERE, BUT THERE IS A SLIDER AND A WINDOW ABOVE THE SLIDER AS WELL AS SIDE WINDOWS.

THAT WE PROVIDED. OKAY. SO, A WINDOW IS BEING REMOVED FROM THAT SECTION? FROM THE 1956, YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, THIS WAS, I THINK IN FRONT OF YOU WHEN YOU WERE ON THE PRESERVATION.

WAS THE 1956 ADDITION PART OF THE LANDMARK APPLICATION, DO YOU KNOW? SO, IT IS PART OF THE I MEAN, THE WHOLE STRUCTURE IS INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION.

NOW, IN TERMS OF THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STRUCTURE, IS NOT, THE 1956 ADDITION WOULD WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE ANY HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE SITE DUE TO ITS DESIGNATED HISTORIC DUE TO ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

SO THAT 56 ADDITION WOULD FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHILE IT WOULD ANY.

AND NEW ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.

OKAY. SO, IT WASN'T PART OF THE APPLICATION. IT WAS OBVIOUSLY IT'S OVER 50 YEARS OLD IF IT'S 1956.

SO AND I PULLED THE CONTRACT, THE MILLS ACT CONTRACT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENTIATION IN THERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, BUT WAS IT PRESENTED TO US AS BEING THIS IS PART OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE? WAS IT NOT PRESENTED LIKE THAT? OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE CONSIDERATION FOR MODIFICATIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES IS ALWAYS ENCOURAGED TO PROPOSE ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS 1956 ADDITION WOULD FALL OUTSIDE OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

WHILE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE IS CONSIDERED HISTORIC.

THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE OF HIGHER INTEGRITY.

AND SO, WHILE IT'S IN ADDITION THAT 1956 ADDITION, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT AT THE SAME LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE. WHILE IT IS OLDER THAN 50 YEARS OLD, LIKE IF THIS STRUCTURE WAS 1956 CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT, THEN THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT IT'S THE PURPOSE WISE SIGNIFICANCE IS IT'S ITS YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION.

AND DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, A REPRESENTATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION TIME THROUGHOUT THAT, AS WELL AS BEING THIS UNIQUE TUDOR DESIGN.

OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION ON THAT. OUR HISTORIC ORDINANCE DEALS WITH WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET.

THIS HAS AN ALLEY IN THE BACK. IS THAT ANY SIGNIFICANCE WITH REGARDS TO THE VISUAL IMAGE THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY? SO THE ALLEY IS NOT CONSIDERED LIKE A PRIMARY FACADE WHERE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A MUCH HIGHER ASSESSED IN TERMS OF SENSITIVITY AND LOCATION.

ALSO IN LOOKING IN TERMS OF CONTEXT OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THE AREA THE ALLEY IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A TERTIARY ELEVATION THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THAT SAME PROMINENCE WHERE IF YOU WERE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL ALONG THE PRIMARY STREET FRONTAGE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS THAN SOMETHING OFF OF THE ALLEY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I SAW IN ONE OF THE PICTURES THE WATER HEATER CURRENTLY LOCATED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE.

WHAT ARE THE INTENTIONS AFTER THE REMODEL? BECAUSE.

YEP, RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS. IS THAT GOING TO REMAIN ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE? IS IT GOING TO BE RELOCATED INSIDE? I'LL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WHY DON'T WE AT THIS POINT BRING THEM UP AND YOU CAN ASK THEM ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS.

OKAY. BECAUSE SO IS IT JUST TWO PEOPLE TESTIFYING TODAY? ANYBODY WHO'S TESTIFYING TODAY. JUST GET YOUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR.

OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE SWORN IN. AND THEN YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU COME UP HERE IF YOU WANT.

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I TRUST HER, TOO. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH.

GO AHEAD. OH. WE HAVE YOUR SPEAKER CARD. OKAY, SO HERE'S THE OATH, AND I THOUGHT.

I THOUGHT THAT YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT WOULD BE THE ONE DOING IT. BUT DO EACH OF YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU SHALL GIVE SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

THANK YOU. AND IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME SO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

IT'S MARK SANNES. OKAY. YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES, SIR. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US INITIALLY BEFORE WE START ASKING YOU QUESTIONS? WE LOVE THE HOUSE. I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO. WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AS IT IS.

AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. OKAY. AND YOU WERE THE ONE WHO PRESENTED THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION TO BE A LANDMARK IN 2023? CORRECT. ARE YOU AND WIFE THE ONLY OWNERS OF THE LLC? YES. OKAY. DO YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY? GO AHEAD. SO WELCOME BACK. I WAS ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME THAT THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNATED, AND HAPPY TO SEE IT BACK AGAIN FOR SOME MORE MODIFICATIONS.

I WENT BACK AND READ THE MINUTES AND THE AGENDA PACKET FOR THAT EVENING.

AND I DID NOTICE THAT THE SO WITH ALL THE VARIOUS ADDITIONS THAT HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE 1950S, RIGHT? HAPPENED AT THE TIME WHERE MR. CANDLESS WAS ACTUALLY LIVING THERE.

SO THE HOUSE IS NAMED AFTER HIM. SO THAT PART ACTUALLY IS SIGNIFICANT TO THE HOUSE.

THAT ADDITION IS SIGNIFICANT TO THE HOUSE. UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I'M MISSING.

THAT YOU KNOW OF, I WASN'T THERE. OKAY. SO. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT. I MEAN, THAT PART OF THE HOUSE DOES LOOK LIKE WHAT IT IS, A 1950S ROOM ADDITION. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL AS THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

RIGHT. SO. WHAT'S THE FUNCTION OF THE 56 ADDITION? I'M SORRY, SIR, WHAT'S THE FUNCTION? WHAT DO YOU GUYS USE THAT ADDITION FOR? THAT'S PART OF THE MASTER BEDROOM. OKAY. OKAY.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YEAH. WELL, YOU CAN REPEAT IT FOR THE RECORD, BUT I KIND OF HEARD YOUR RESPONSE AS FAR AS THE LOCATION, THE DISPOSITION OF THE WATER HEATER SUBSEQUENT TO THE ADDITION.

I'M SORRY. I'M. MY EARS ARE PLUGGED. THE WATER HEATER? YEAH. THE DISPOSITION OF THE WATER HEATER SUBSEQUENT TO THE ADDITION.

SO, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THIS TO AN ENGINEER YET BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE WERE, THE ROAD WE WERE GOING DOWN WAS GOING TO BE OKAY WITH YOU GUYS.

THAT DETAIL HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED. I MEAN, A TANKLESS WATER HEATER IS LITERALLY THIS BIG, BUT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? NO, NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE FINISHED PRODUCT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A PICTURE LIKE THIS. IT'S GOING TO LOOK AMAZING.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION WITH REGARD TO THE EXISTING PERGOLA? YOU MEAN THIS THE. YEAH. THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND IS A NEW ONE GOING TO BE PUT UP? YES. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE DRAWING, THERE'S LIKE AN EYEBROW.

THAT WILL, THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE APPROPRIATE TO THE DESIGN.

THE WHOLE, THE STUCCO, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, ALL THE WINDOWS ARE GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME.

THE DOORS, ALL OF THAT, ALL THE STUCCO IS GOING TO, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WHOLE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE IN THAT THAT STYLE STUCCO.

AND YOU UTILIZE THIS HOUSE AS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE? IT WILL BE. YES, SIR. I THINK COMMISSIONER ROY RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SKYLIGHTS.

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IF. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE OR IS IT NOT ACCEPTABLE? I THINK I DEFER, BUT I MEAN, I HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT.

BUT AGAIN, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WE CAN ALL DISCUSS IT.

BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN CLARIFY AS TO HOW YOU WORD THE RESOLUTION ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, SO. SO. YEAH. SO, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THIS WINDOW THAT'S ON THE TOP. IS THAT ALSO A NEW ADDITION? RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE. THERE'S A NEW ADDITION.

YES. SO, YOU ARE CHANGING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO MATCH ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS.

AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY CUTTING INTO THE EXISTING HOUSE.

WE'RE JUST MAKING IT TO A WINDOW. RIGHT. ON THE CURRENT HOUSE.

OKAY. SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHEN WE HEAR FROM THE AUDIENCE, THEN IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO.

YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME TO COME UP HERE TOO, IF YOU WANT. VERY MUCH WELCOME, BUT IT MAKES IT HARD FOR THE MINUTES TO RECORD AND IDENTIFY THOSE THAT ARE SPEAKING. SO, IF WE COULD JUST KEEP IT TO THE PODIUM AND COMMISSION, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND THAT'S THE SPOUSE OF THE PERSON WHO SPEAKING AT THE PODIUM.

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CAN I GO BACK TO THAT WINDOW IN THE ADDITION.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF REMOVING IT? LIKE WHAT? WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. BECAUSE WE ARE IN, IN THE NEW, THE NEW PART OF THE HOUSE, THERE ARE SKYLIGHTS THERE.

WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME PRIVACY BECAUSE THESE HOUSES ARE STACKED RIGHT ON EACH OTHER.

SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT. AND THEN ALSO FROM AN INTERIOR DESIGN, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING A WINDOW ON THE ON THE WALL ABOVE OUR BED.

SO THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO MAKE IT ANY DARKER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS LARGE SLIDER IN THE BACK, SO. I GUESS IT WAS JUST ESTHETICS, REALLY, YOU KNOW.

THE WINDOW, THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW IS PRETTY HIGH UP FROM WHAT I CAN TELL.

RIGHT. BUT THE HOUSE NEXT TO US IS TWO STORY.

YEAH. YOU LOOK OUT THAT WINDOW AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN SAY HI TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, SO.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD THE LAND SURVEYED? YES. AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD IT SURVEYED? IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO. SO, THERE'S NO BORDER ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. NO. AND ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT AS PART OF THE PROCESS NOT TO PUT IN THOSE SKYLIGHTS IF THAT'S WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF YOU? FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

IF YES, WE WOULD COMMIT TO NOT DOING THAT IF IT'S SEEN FROM THE STREET.

OKAY. AND THEN HOW SOON ARE YOU READY TO MOVE ON IT.

IF WE APPROVE TODAY, HOW SOON ARE YOU ABLE TO START THE GET THE PERMITS AND START THE CONSTRUCTION AND FINISH UP WITH YOUR ARCHITECT? ONCE WE GET THE OKAY, THEN IT GOES TO THE ENGINEER.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS. SO, I GUESS THE ANSWER TO THAT IS A COUPLE MONTHS.

ALL RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE RECORD, BUT I'M CURIOUS, DOES YOUR NEIGHBORS GIVE YOU ANY FEEDBACK OR.

NO, THEY'RE FINE THERE. AND IN FACT, THE HOUSE.

LET'S SEE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE TO THE EAST IS A HISTORIC HOUSE WITH A MAJOR REMODEL THAT'S BEEN DONE TO IT.

SO NOW EVERYONE'S. OKAY, NOBODY'S COMMENTED. NOT AT ALL.

OKAY. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO START. AS DO WE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

SO THE NEXT STEP IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE OR IN THE AUDIENCE?

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OKAY. NEVER MIND. THERE'S SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

OKAY. GO AHEAD. COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY, WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.

OKAY. MY NAME IS RICHARD MCCANDLESS. OH, WOW.

AND I AM THE GRANDSON OF HARRY P AND CAROL MCCANDLESS.

THAT THAT MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE. HI, AGAIN. JUST IF WE CAN QUICKLY LOVE THAT HOUSE.

I'M SORRY IF WE CAN SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU PRESENT.

THIS WAY IT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE CITY.

NOW, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU SHALL GIVE SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYWAY MY FAMILY, MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY SISTERS AND BROTHERS GREW UP JUST A COUPLE OF BLOCKS EAST IN THE 400 BLOCK OF AVENUE EAST. SO WE WOULD FREQUENTLY GO DOWN TO MY GRANDPARENTS HOUSE AND, AND HAD SOME WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL MEMORIES WITH THEM.

AND I, WE'RE SO GLAD THAT THAT HOUSE IS STILL AS BEAUTIFUL AS WE REMEMBER IT.

SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY GRANDFATHER WAS SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS FOR REDONDO BEACH FOR MANY YEARS.

MY FATHER WAS FAMILY PRACTICE DOCTOR IN THE AREA TOO.

SO ANYWAY THAT 1956 ADDITION, JUST AS LITTLE INFORMATION WAS BUILT BECAUSE MY AUNT MARION HAD CONTRACTED POLIO IN 1955 AND WAS CONFINED TO A WHEELCHAIR THE REST OF HER LIFE.

SO THAT ADDITION WAS MADE SO THAT IT WAS SHE WAS ABLE TO WHEEL IN THERE JUST RIGHT AT GROUND LEVEL RIGHT THROUGH THE SLIDING DOOR.

AND WITHOUT HAVING TO GO UP OR DOWN ANY KIND OF INCLINE.

AND IT WORKED GREAT FOR, FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT SHE CONTINUED TO LIVE THERE.

ANYWAY. THAT'S IT JUST. REDONDO AREA. I'M SORRY.

DO YOU STILL LIVE IN THE REDONDO AREA? I DO, I CURRENTLY LIVE ON NOB HILL.

OKAY. AND FEEL VERY BLESSED TO BE HERE EVERY DAY.

WELL, WE DO ALSO COVER HISTORY, SO IF YOU EVER WANT TO BRING IN SOME OLD PICTURES AND SLIDES AND STORIES, WE'LL ALWAYS WELCOME YOU TO COME SHARE THEM WITH US.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. PLUS, WE'RE HAVING AN EVENT IN NOVEMBER THAT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN.

NEW FOLKS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE HIGHLIGHTING HOMES THAT HAVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND FINDING, FINDING FOLKS THAT ARE STILL CONNECTED TO, TO THOSE HOMES IS, IS PRETTY RARE.

SO LOOK OUT FOR SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCCANDLESS? OKAY. ARE THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OKAY, SO I NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN START DELIBERATING.

I'LL MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW STARTING THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.

WE'LL START WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER SPJUTE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADDRESS OR DISCUSS? NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSS. I MEAN, I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF WAS EXCELLENT.

I THOUGHT THE TESTIMONY FROM THE HOMEOWNER WAS VERY COMPELLING.

MY SENSE IS I AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE FACADE IS NOT BEING CHANGED AND THAT THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE ADDITION AT THE BACK, WHICH IS NOT OBSERVABLE TO THE STREET, WILL, WILL MAKE IT A BETTER LIVING ENVIRONMENT FOR THE HOMEOWNERS WHO CAN KEEP MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF, OF THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE HOUSE SO THAT THEY AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY IT.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION POINTS? COMMISSIONER ROY? YES. RECOMMENDATION? YEAH. SO, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GET A COMMITMENT THAT THE SKYLIGHT IS NOT ADDED TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE INTENT OF HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOUSE.

OKAY. WE'LL DO THAT AS A SEPARATE VOTE AS SOON AS WE GET ALL THE COMMENTS, JUST IN CASE.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE. SURE. MY ONLY I GUESS DESIRE IS IF TO KNOW IF THAT IS THE FINAL MOCKUP OR IF IT'S AN OLDER VERSION, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE SKYLIGHTS.

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THANK YOU. SO YES, THE PLAN BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS WHAT, IF APPROVED, WHAT WOULD BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE? WHAT WOULD COME TO STAFF DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE TWO PROCESS WHERE THE PLANS WOULD BE REVIEWED BY ALL, ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH NECESSARY CODE REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL AS PLANNINGS PREDOMINANT REVIEW WOULD BE TO ENSURE THAT THE PLANS THAT ARE APPROVED THIS EVENING, IF APPROVED, WOULD THEN BE REFLECTED IN THE PERMITTING SET FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO, THIS IS THE SET. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO CONCERNS OTHER THAN WHAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN ADDRESSED.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER GALASSI. SO, I HAD THE WONDERFUL PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT FOR THE DESIGNATION OF THIS HOUSE AND SO, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO SEE IT AGAIN IS, IS NOT ONLY WONDERFUL AND TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE HOMEOWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SPACE THAT WORKS FOR THEM IN OUR MODERN LIVING ENVIRONMENT.

AS YOU KNOW, AS A PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE CERTAIN GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND ADHERE TO.

THE HOUSE WHEN IT WAS DESIGNATED, WAS DESIGNATED IN ITS ENTIRETY, INCLUDING THAT BACK ADDITION, THE 1956 ADDITION, WHICH FOR WHICH THE HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY NAMED.

AND WITH THAT IN MIND, ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE EVEN IF IT SEEMS SMALL OR INSIGNIFICANT SORT OF SETS A PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHER HOMES THAT WE GO TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. AND SO, REGARDING THE WINDOW AND THEN HAVING TO CHANGE OR REDO THE STUCCO IN THAT HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN FOR THAT REASON.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IN MY MIND, IF THE WINDOW COULD BE RETAINED AND SHADES OR CHANGE THE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT SOME WINDOW FILM ON THERE THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL PRIVACY.

PERHAPS WE COULD RETAIN THAT HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A HUGE THING, BUT IT IS, WE'VE IN TIMES PAST HAVE HAD TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS WITH WINDOWS AND STUCCO ON, ON THE PARTS OF THE HOME THAT ARE CONSIDERED HISTORIC.

AND I AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE SKYLIGHT. MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE CHANGING THE VENT TO A WINDOW.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT 100% ON. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR CHAIR MAROKO'S COMMENTS WHEN WE GET TO HIM.

THANK YOU. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

AND IT CONCERNS THE ARCHITECT THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS MATTER.

WHO USED TO BE A PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER AT ONE POINT AS WELL.

SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, HE DID BRING UP 510 GARNET AS A PROPERTY THAT HE WAS PROPOSING CHANGES TO.

AND THAT WENT BACK INTO THE PROCESS. THERE WERE, THERE WAS A SUN DECK AND THAT ONE THAT CAUSED SOME ISSUES INITIALLY IT HAD TO GO BACK.

BUT I DROVE BY THERE TODAY AND I THINK WE APPROVED IT IN 2024 FOR ADDITIONS AND CHANGES.

AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.

SO, I AM CONCERNED THAT IF AGAIN AND THE ARCHITECTS ARE NOT HERE TO EXPLAIN IF THERE'S COMPLICATIONS.

THERE WAS ISSUES WITH THE SEWER, I THINK, AT ONE POINT.

SO, I'M CONCERNED IF WE GO FORWARD TODAY THAT LITTLE THINGS LIKE THE SKYLIGHTS WILL POP UP ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE FINAL REVIEW OR OTHER CHANGES ARE NECESSARY. SO, WHAT KIND OF CONFIDENCE CAN WE HAVE THAT THE PROJECT THAT ONCE WE APPROVE IT, IS GOING TO STAY IN THE FORM THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING IT'S GOING TO BE.

AND IS THERE A TIME LIMIT FOR OUR APPROVAL IF WE GIVE IT THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE THE WORK?

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BUT WHAT YOU KNOW, I COULD JUST SPEAK FOR WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

THIS PARTICULAR ARCHITECT THEY'VE UTILIZED FOR PRODUCING THE PLANS.

SO I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S INVOLVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

HOWEVER, IN TERMS OF THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT MAY OCCUR, THERE IS A PROCESS THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE IN ASSESSING ANY POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR COULD ASSESS TO SEE IF THEY ARE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED.

IF, AND IT ALSO GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO COME BACK IN FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THIS HEARING BODY.

SO THERE ARE TWO OPPORTUNITIES, DEPENDING ON THE SCALE OF THE REVISIONS THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED IF THEY WERE TO BE PROPOSED TO ASSESS THAT. OKAY. AND IF THERE'S A MINOR ALTERATION THAT'S CONSIDERED A MINOR ALTERATION ON THESE PLANS THAT MAY IMPACT, IS IT GOING TO OUR MINOR ALTERATIONS COMMITTEE OR DOES IT COME BACK TO THE BODY AS A WHOLE BECAUSE OF THE PROJECTS NOT DONE? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE SECTION BECAUSE THE MINOR ALTERATIONS I BELIEVE IS RELATED TO LIKE ANY I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. SO, GIVE ME A MINUTE TO LOOK.

HISTORIC STRUCTURE ALREADY, SO. RIGHT. THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE.

VERY WELL MAY BE GOING BACK TO THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, DEPENDING ON THE THRESHOLD OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED.

OKAY. AND THEN I'M IN AGREEMENT, I THINK, WITH COMMISSIONER ROY AND COMMISSIONER GALASSI THAT WE NEED TO PUT A PROVISION IN THERE THAT NO SKYLIGHTS THAT ARE STREET FACING NEED TO BE IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE VENT VERSUS THE WINDOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE DIMENSIONS ARE OR WHAT THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED.

MOST VENTS THAT I'VE SEEN ARE USUALLY LIKE LAUNDRY VENTS THAT DON'T TAKE UP ANY SPACE AT ALL, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AN EYESORE. SO, THIS MAY MAKE ENHANCE THE QUALITY ON IT.

SO, I WOULD NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THAT BEFORE I CAN ACTUALLY DECIDE WHICH WAY I'M GOING TO GO ON THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DELIBERATIONS? OKAY, THIS IS YOUR BAILIWICK FOR READING THE PARTS IN THERE.

I GUESS FIRST OF ALL, DO WE WANT TO, AS A BODY INCLUDE IN ANY RESOLUTION WE PASS THAT THERE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANY SKYLIGHT REVISIONS.

DO I GET A CONSENSUS. CAN I GET A MOTION TO BASICALLY SAY THE DESIGN, THE FINAL DESIGN AND BUILD OUT SHOULD NOT HAVE FRONT FACING THE SKYLIGHTS? YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY, SO YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WITH THE EXCLUSION OF SKYLIGHT TO THE FRONT.

OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION.

PLEASE. I WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, THE WINDOW THAT'S IN THE IN THE ORIGINAL 1956 EXTENSION ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, SO THAT THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THAT PART OF THE HOUSE IS RETAINED. DO YOU WANT THAT AS AN AMENDMENT OR DO YOU WANT THAT AS A SEPARATE MOTION? I GUESS IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE MOTION, WOULDN'T IT? OKAY. IT COULD BE.

I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT IT THAT WAY OR NOT.

SO, YOU TELL ME WHAT? I'LL DO IT THAT WAY. WHAT? SEPARATELY. A SEPARATE MOTION. OKAY. SO. AND YOU CAN SHAKE YOUR HEAD IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE SKYLIGHT THING AND YOU STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

THAT. OKAY? I'M SEEING A SHAKE OF THE HEAD FROM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

SO, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

IS IT A WOOD BURNING FIREPLACE OR IS IT A GAS OR DO WE KNOW OR? GAS. IT'S GAS, OKAY. IS THERE CAN I MAKE ONE.

WELL, WE CLOSE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND I KNOW I'M GETTING THE LOOK FROM OUR LIAISON THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW SOME PROTOCOL.

I WAS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VOTES ON THINGS THAT MAY IMPACT YOUR PROCESS.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT UP UNTIL THE POINT THAT WE ACTUALLY COME TO THE MAIN RESOLUTION, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG MR. CIAMPA BUT THEY CAN WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION IF THEY'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON ULTIMATELY.

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OKAY. WELL, WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE IF IT COMES UP.

THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE TWISTS WITH THIS, BUT THE INITIAL MOTION NOW IS TO.

SAY THAT SO I DON'T MESS IT UP. WE WANTED TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION.

THE MOTION IS TO REQUEST THAT THERE BE A NO SKYLIGHTS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN THE STREET FACING.

OKAY. AND IT'S BEEN SECOND. AND DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT? I KNOW THAT WE RECEIVED A SECOND, BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A SECOND.

OH, I'LL SECOND IT THEN. OKAY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE.

YOU CAN CORRECT ME. I DON'T THINK IN A PUBLIC HEARING, ONCE WE CLOSE TESTIMONY THAT WE GET ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THE SAME? I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO OPEN IT BACK UP TO.

BUT I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. SO YEAH. YOU ARE CORRECT, UNLESS YOU WANT TO REOPEN IT.

OKAY. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE CAN GET.

I'M OPEN THE HEARING SO WE CAN GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ONLINE AT THIS POINT, SO.

I MOVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING TO GET ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT SPECIFICALLY AS TO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

OKAY, GREAT. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SO, IT'S UNANIMOUS.

OKAY. SO PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN. YOU CAN COME BACK UP AND IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR VIEWS ON IT.

THANK YOU. AND YOU MAY ACTUALLY SAVE TIME IF YOU ACTUALLY ADDRESS BOTH OF THEM.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD IT HAD POSSIBILITY OF BEING HISTORIC, OUR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS WE WERE GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN AND WE WERE GOING TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE. WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE HOUSE. AND I THINK IT WAS STACY.

WAS IT STACY? YES. SHE. SHE TOLD US THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T SEE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. I UNDERSTAND THE SKYLIGHT YOU SEE FROM THE HOUSE, I GET THAT, BUT THE WINDOW ON THE SIDE YOU DON'T.

SO THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT? OKAY. YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME.

AND SINCE YOU'RE AN OWNER AND APPLICANT, WE WILL NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.

YEAH, JUST GO AHEAD. DO I HAVE TO? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU SHALL GIVE SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THAT'S CORRECT. THEN STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN. DEBBIE SANNES.

OKAY. OKAY. AS MARK SAID, WHEN WE WENT UP IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, STACY HAD TOLD US WHATEVER WE DID FROM THE, WE HAD TO BE FROM THE FRONT. WE CONFIRMED IF WE GET INTO THE MILLS ACT, WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT TO THAT WE CAN'T SEE FROM THE STREET.

SHE SAID, THAT IS CORRECT. SO, I DID SOME RESEARCH AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD THINGS LIKE, OH, NOW THAT THE FACADE FROM THE INDUSTRY THAT I WAS IN BEFORE THE FILM BUSINESS, A FACADE IS WHAT YOU SEE UP FRONT.

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BACK. SO, WHEN I THINK OF FACADE, I'M THINKING IT'S WHAT YOU SEE FRONT.

THE BACK IS JUST OPEN STAGES. SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AND WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE MILLS ACT.

OKAY. OKAY. SO, THEN WE WERE TOLD, NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT. LIKE YOU CAN'T DO THIS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. SO DOING SOME RESEARCH WITH THE HISTORICAL SECRETARY OF WHATEVER STATE, WHATEVER IT IS. I DID SPEAK TO SOMEONE IN DC TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, THERE'S NUMBER NINE AND THERE'S NUMBER 5.A AND ALL THIS.

AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS.

AND WHAT IT ALL BOILED DOWN TO WAS SHE DID SAY, WHOEVER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR THAT I SPOKE TO IN WASHINGTON, DC, SAID, WE CANNOT TELL YOU HOW YOU CAN AND CANNOT LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE OR ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU KNOW. SO, SOMEONE CAN'T TELL ME, I NEED TO PUT A SHADE OVER MY WINDOW FOR PUBLIC FOR PRIVACY, BE IN THAT SIDE WINDOW THAT WAS BUILT IN 1956.

SO, IT'S JUST VERY FRUSTRATING. AS MY HUSBAND SAID, WE WERE GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T PRESERVE THIS HOUSE AND MAKE IT LIVABLE FOR US, WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP A SKYLIGHT.

I LIKE LIGHT, BUT OKAY, I'LL GIVE UP THAT SKYLIGHT.

IF IT WAS A SOLAR PANEL, YOU MIGHT TELL ME. I COULD PUT IT UP THERE, I DON'T KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SKYLIGHT AND A SOLAR PANEL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS GET OUT OF THE MILLS ACT AND WE CAN JUST TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD WHAT WE WANT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OKAY. AND I HAVE YOUR COPY OF YOUR

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SO WE REOPEN THE DISCUSSION. I WAS TOLD THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT.

SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECLOSE THE DISCUSSION.

MOTION TO CLOSE. THANK YOU. SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE'RE BACK TO RE CLOSING. ANY FURTHER DELIBERATION ON THE MOTION TO LIMIT THE NO SKYLIGHT ADDITIONS AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS? JUST TO CLARIFY NO SKYLIGHTS ON THE FRONT FACADE.

ON THE FRONT FACING? YES, THE STREET FACING. AND I ACTUALLY WALKED THE AREA.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEAUTIFUL SUNSETS OVER THERE, BUT I WALKED THE AREA AND THEY'RE LITERALLY SITTING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER OVER THERE.

SO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THE SIDES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED ON THAT.

SO, IT'S BEEN MOVED. I THINK I MADE A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF LIMITING THE SKYLIGHT ADDITIONS.

AND I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY AND THE MINUTES TO PUT IT IN THERE.

AND MR. CIAMPA HAS IT. SAY AYE. AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY. SO, IT PASSES 6 TO 1. NOW DO YOU WANTED TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION COMMISSIONER GALASSI? YEAH. I'M JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HAPPILY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

SO, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, DO YOU WANT YOUR NAME RECORDED WITH THE NAY ON IT OR.

BECAUSE I CAN DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE. ROLL CALL IS FINE.

I'M GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT THEN. COMMISSIONER SPJUTE? NAY. COMMISSIONER ROY? AYE. COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER MALCOLM? AYE. COMMISSIONER GALASSI? AYE. COMMISSIONER GAMBLE? AYE. CHAIR MAROKO? AYE.

OKAY, SO IT'S STILL THE SAME NUMBER. AND IF ANY OF YOU GUYS, BY THE WAY, EVER WANT A ROLL CALL VOTE, HAPPY TO DO IT. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR ON WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO AS YOUR AMENDMENT.

YEAH. GOING BACK. SO, I WOULD, MY AMEND MY AMENDED MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION AND RENOVATION OF THE PROPERTY, MAINTAINING THE WINDOW AND ANY INTEGRAL HISTORIC FEATURES OF THAT. HISTORIC FEATURES OF THAT PARTICULAR ADDITION.

OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY, LET'S HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON IT. DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY OR.

WELL, I THINK I EXPLAINED MY MYSELF BEFORE I REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME.

I SECOND THE MOTION BECAUSE AS MUCH AS I CAN SEE THE FRUSTRATIONS OF THE HOMEOWNERS, IT IS A BENEFIT TO AND A PRIVILEGE TO HAVE A HISTORIC HOME, A LANDMARK HOME.

AND WITH THAT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE, AS MR. MCCANDLESS STATED, THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT THAT PART OF THE HOME.

AND SO, THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE THE COMPROMISE WOULD BE TO PRESERVE THE WINDOW.

IT'S NOT JUST THE WINDOW BECAUSE THE STUCCO NEEDS TO BE REDONE.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REMOVING VIABLE STUCCO TO REPLACE IT.

CAN I GET CLEAR. CAN I GET SOME CLARIFICATION? BECAUSE IN THE PLANS THIS THIS AREA IS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED.

SO, WE JUST PLANNING ON REUSING THE WINDOW. THE ADDITIONS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED? YES. YES. THE GRAPHIC. THE 1956 ONE.

YES. CAN YOU BRING THAT ONE UP AGAIN ON THE SCREEN SO IT'S CLEAR? ONE SECOND. WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE US AND ME IN PARTICULAR ON THIS. I DO BELIEVE WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE SAYING IS CORRECT, THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS FORWARD STREET FACING ONLY, SO YOU CAN RIP OUT THE WHOLE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND MAKE MODIFICATIONS AND UPGRADE.

YOU CAN RIP OUT THE BACK BACKYARD AND DO THE SAME THING.

SO, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE IS THAT WHOLE PART THAT'S IN THAT

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AND WITHIN THE ORDINANCE IS I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE STRUCTURE ULTIMATELY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN.

OUR ORDINANCE SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT HAD THE TITLE 10, CHAPTER 4, I BELIEVE WAS THE. OH, YEAH. I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT.

YEAH. I WISH I HAD A LITTLE MORE EDUCATION TO ON.

ON. THE FORM AND INTEGRITY. EXACTLY. INTEGRITY HAS ITS OWN DEFINITION.

YOU MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT GOES IN THE RATING SYSTEM.

YES, SO THE KEY THING HERE IS THE REVIEW OF THIS.

THIS IS, THERE'S, I BELIEVE FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS REHABILITATION NOT PRESERVATION.

AND SO, WITH REHABILITATION IT IS BUILT IN THAT IT UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S MODIFICATIONS AND EVOLUTION OF THE STRUCTURE OVER TIME.

AND TO PRESERVE THE KEY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE MOST PREDOMINANTLY AND AS IDENTIFIED IN THE CODE IS FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION.

AND SO, IN THAT IT, THERE'S A, THERE'S ASSUMPTIONS AND GUIDELINES THAT ARE PROVIDED HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NEW ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO ALLOW FOR THE ENHANCED LIVABILITY OF THESE STRUCTURES TO ALLOW FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE THEM MORE LIVABLE OVER THE YEARS, WHERE SOME OF THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES HAVE A CLOSET THAT, YOU KNOW, IS INCREDIBLY SMALL AND DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR IT.

AND SO, THE REST, THE REHABILITATION STANDARDS ALLOW FOR THE INVESTMENT OF THESE PROPERTIES FOR LONGEVITY.

WHEREAS THERE'S RESTORATION OR PRESERVATION, WHICH BASICALLY IS LIKE, IT'S A MUSEUM, IT'S STATIC, THERE CANNOT BE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE.

SO, THIS IS WHERE THAT DIFFERENTIATION IS BETWEEN THE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND PRESERVATION.

AND SO, STANDARD NINE IS REALLY WHERE A LOT OF THAT HINGES ON AND IS PROVIDED ON IN TERMS OF ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONS, ALLOWING FOR MODIFICATIONS, BUT REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS IN ON WHAT ARE THE KEY PREDOMINANTLY VIEWING ELEVATIONS FOR THE PUBLIC.

THESE STRUCTURES ARE A PUBLIC ASSET. THEY'RE A RESOURCE TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO IT IS THAT BALANCE AND THE ASSESSMENT OF THESE PROPERTIES, AND WHAT IS A MODIFICATION THAT IS STILL MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY IN TERMS OF THE KEY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE.

AND SO I HOPE THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE ASSESSMENT.

IT DOES, THANK YOU. AND IT MAKES ME HAVE JUST ONE PROBABLY EASY QUESTION.

THE HISTORIC EVALUATION OF THIS HOME IS A B RATING.

AND FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, BUT WHAT DOES IT, WHAT IS THE SCALE A THROUGH OR HOW, YOU KNOW.

A THROUGH C AND THEN IT WOULD JUST DROP OFF AFTER THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

OKAY. SO LIKE, OKAY, THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL PART AS WELL.

THOSE RATINGS ARE BASED ON A DRIVE BY SURVEY, SO WHICH WAS DONE, I THINK THE LAST ONE IN 2001 FOR THIS AREA.

SO, IT'S A WAY OUT OF DATE AND IT'S DESIGNED WITH SOMEBODY WHO DOES A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ABOUT THE BUILDING RECORDS, THEN DRIVES AROUND AND FILLS OUT A FORM ON IT.

SO, IF YOU WENT TO THE CITY, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY FIND A FORM THAT DESCRIBES ALL THIS STUFF.

YEAH, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

IS IT CORRECT THEN THAT THAT IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT THESE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION WERE ALL TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, AND THE STAFF'S ULTIMATE CONCLUSION WAS THAT THIS REMODEL PROJECT AS PROPOSED DEMOLISHING THE 1956 ADDITION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TOUCHING THE FRONT FACADE, FALLS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS FOR THE EXCEPTION UNDER REHABILITATION? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS I'LL FOLLOW UP ON MY QUESTION.

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OKAY, BUT THEY DO A WHOLE SCENE WHERE IT'S JUST FACADE, KIND OF LIKE THE OLD HOLLYWOOD SCENE.

AND THE ONLY PART THAT'S REALLY THE INTEGRITY OF IT IS WHAT'S THE, IF YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET AND THEY DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT'S BEHIND IT. SO IS THAT AGAIN, WHERE OUR CITY ORDINANCE LEAVES IT? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? GO AHEAD. I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND ONLY BECAUSE I DO APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL STRONG ENOUGH TO SECOND THAT MOTION. BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO SECOND, OBVIOUSLY BUT I DO, I DO WITHDRAW MY SECOND. OR YOU CAN. WE CAN ALL VOTE ON IT.

OKAY. OKAY. AND I. OKAY. YEAH. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SECOND IS TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL SECOND. AND THEN I VOTE.

OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC? OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT? COMMISSIONER SPJUTE? NAY. COMMISSIONER ROY? NAY.

COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ? NAY. COMMISSIONER MALCOLM? NAY. COMMISSIONER GALASSI? YES. COMMISSIONER GAMBLE? NAY. CHAIR MAROKO. I'M GOING TO GO NO ON THIS ONE.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING ALL THAT STUFF. SO NOW WE'RE ON TO THE MAIN PART, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION THAT'S IN YOUR MATERIALS.

AND WE HAVE, I GUESS WE HAVE TO READ THE RESOLUTION HAD HEADLINE INTO THE RECORD, SO TRADITIONALLY COMMISSIONER GALASSI HAS BEEN THE ONE WHO'S BEEN READING IT. SO I WILL, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I DON'T MIND. A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERING AN EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR A REMODEL AND REAR ADDITION TO THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC PROPERTY LANDMARK LOCATED AT 209 AVENUE E.

OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT RESOLUTION? I SECOND.

THANK YOU. BEFORE WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT, ARE YOU IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT YOU SEE, DO YOU COME BACK TO US AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING? CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE DO ANOTHER ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER SPJUTE? YES. COMMISSIONER ROY? AYE.

COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER MALCOLM? AYE. COMMISSIONER GALASSI? NO. COMMISSIONER GAMBLE.

AYE. CHAIR MAROKO? AYE. OKAY. WELL, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED.

YOU DO YOUR MAGIC WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING THIS TO THE NEXT POINT.

CONGRATULATIONS. AND AS COMMISSIONER GALASSI SAID, WE ARE HAVING AN EVENT COMING UP THAT YOU MAY WANT TO COME AND MEET SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE HISTORIC HOMES AND SHARE YOUR VIEWS.

AND SAME WITH YOU. I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE PICTURES THAT YOU HAVE FROM BACK THEN.

OKAY, SO NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM J.2 WHICH IS, EXCUSE ME FOR GETTING ALL MESSED UP ON MY PAPERS.

A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO. HERE WE GO. OH, THAT'S ANOTHER.

PUBLIC HEARING RELATED. CONSIDERING THE REQUEST FOR DESIGNATION OF FRANCIS HOPKINS WILDERNESS PARK AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 4, TITLE 10 OF REDONDO BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE. MR. CIAMPA, DO YOU WANT TO START ON THIS ONE? YES.

CAN I, CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE HEARING BEFORE HE.

MOTION TO OPEN THE HEARING? I'LL SECOND THAT.

ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION OF OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. SO WE'RE IN PUBLIC HEARING. GO AHEAD. SORRY.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AGAIN. JOHN CIAMPA, I'LL BE PRESENTING THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE HOPKINS WILDERNESS PARK LOCATED AT 1102 CAMINO REAL. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF THE SITE, IT IS LOCATED IN THE PR PRO OPEN SPACE ZONING DESIGNATION. IT IS A 11 ACRE SITE.

AND IT HAD A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING INFORMATION AND HISTORY ABOUT IT.

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SO THERE WAS, IS, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF HISTORY THAT GO BACK TO THIS SITE DUE TO ITS PROMINENT TOPOGRAPHICAL LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT ALONG THE SOUTH BAY. AND THEN LATER IN MORE RECENT HISTORY, DURING THE COLD WAR ERA, IT WAS A, IT WAS A RADAR SITE AS WELL AS A NIKE MISSILE INSTALLATION.

AND SO, YEAH, THERE'S SEVERAL PERIODS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND CONTRIBUTION HERE AGAIN IS THE LOOKOUT AS WELL AS FROM 1950S. THE ARMY UTILIZED THE SITE AS A RADAR STATION FOR THE COLD WAR, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE US.

THE ARMY DID IDENTIFY THE SITE AS SURPLUS IN 1970 IN WHICH TIME THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A FEDERAL TRANSFER OF THE SITE TO A WILDERNESS PARK. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED OR WHAT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE PARTICULAR SITE AS ONE OF THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES WAS I BELIEVE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO WERE CONSIDERING THE SITE, BUT ULTIMATELY THROUGH A LOT OF WORK FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

MR. HOPKINS THE CITY WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY FOR $1 AS PART OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTY.

FOR, AND BASICALLY I WAS ABLE TO SECURE THE SITE AS A WILDERNESS PARK.

SOME OF THE KEY HISTORIC CHARACTER ELEMENTS HERE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS AND TYPES THAT CAN BE STRUCTURES. IT CAN ALSO BE PARKS. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S A PARK OR AREA AND IT'S THE SETTING AND THE CONTEXT OF THE SETTING ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS HERE. SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S PROMINENT ELEVATION AND THE VIEWS THAT IT PROVIDES CONTRIBUTES TO THAT AS WELL AS ITS SIZING OF 11 ACRES, PROVIDING THE GROVES AND TRAILS AND NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY, AS WELL AS THE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO IT.

IT HAS A VERY LARGE VISITOR CENTER AND AMPHITHEATER THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY THE PUBLIC.

AND REALLY, IT'S THE ONLY PARK IN THE SOUTH BAY THAT PROVIDES OVERNIGHT CAMPING, SO IT'S UNIQUE AT MULTIPLE LEVELS HERE.

AS WELL AS JUST ITS REGULAR ACCOMMODATIONS AND FEATURES THROUGHOUT.

AND THAT IT DOES PROVIDE NATURE STUDYING, CAMPING OVERNIGHT AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION, RECREATION AND HABITAT PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ELEMENTS AND COMPONENTS TO IT.

IT IS A VERY LARGE PARK AGAIN AT 11 ACRES. HERE JUST IDENTIFYING AND SHOWING SOME OF THE FACILITIES THROUGHOUT IT WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE IN THIS AREA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, REDONDO BEACH DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF PARK AND OPEN SPACE AREA.

AND THIS IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT HAS 11 ACRES. SO AGAIN, IT IS SIGNIFICANT FOR CRITERIA A DUE TO THAT, IT EXEMPLIFIES OR REFLECTS SPECIAL ELEMENTS OF THE CITY'S CULTURAL, SOCIAL, ECONOMIC POLITICAL ESTHETIC, ENGINEERING OR ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY. AND THAT, AGAIN, IT HAS THE INDIGENOUS ELEMENT TO IT THE MILITARY USE DURING THE COLD WAR, AS WELL AS EVEN WITHIN THE LAST 50 YEARS, THE USE OF OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION.

SO IT IS QUITE UNIQUE IN ITS HISTORY. AND WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE ADOPTION OF THE EXEMPTION DECLARATION AND APPROVING OF THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. AND I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THE WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, MR. MCCANDLESS CAME BACK IN HERE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS.

IT TURNS OUT THAT THE GRANDFATHER WAS PART OF THE PARKS AND RECS COMMISSION THAT ACTUALLY DEALT WITH THAT.

SO, IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU ON BOTH OF THEM. I SUPPLEMENTED THE MATERIALS PARTIALLY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE A PICTURE OF THE ENTRANCE SIGN IN THERE. WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THEY'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED ON THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IN THE PROCESS.

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BUT THERE'S ALSO STATE HISTORICAL LANDMARK STATUS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE STEPPED UP.

US AS A COMMISSION BODY CAN DO THE LOCAL, BUT THE CITY IS THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO DO THE STATE.

AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE PROCESS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS YOU HAVE SOME OF THE MATERIALS IN THERE ON THE INITIAL PACKET IS SO THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF ANOTHER PARK THAT WAS ENDED UP BEING A, A LOCAL LANDMARK, AND THEN A SAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WENT TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

SO YOU CAN SEPARATE THAT STUFF OUT BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS.

BUT I BELIEVE THE MAYOR WANTED THIS AS A NATIONAL REGISTER PROJECT.

AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE DOING? YES, SO THIS WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY, AS YOU REFERENCED, STEP ONE IN A THREE-STEP PROCESS, FIRST BEING THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND THEN ELEVATING UP FROM THERE. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS REVIEWING THIS, I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE THE LAND IS ESSENTIALLY IT'S CITY PROPERTY. CORRECT. SO HOW DOES THAT COME TO OUR COMMISSION? WAS THAT SENT TO US? I'M CONFUSED ABOUT. SO, ONE OF THE MATERIALS, WE ACTUALLY VOTED TO SEND IT TO THE CITY WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND THEY KICKED IT BACK. SO THAT'S HOW AND I. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WIENER BASICALLY TOLD US IN OUR AUGUST 2024 MEETING 25 MEETING THAT WE COULDN'T TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. SO, WE HAD TO GO TO THE, THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL ENDED UP SAYING, WE WANT THIS AS A NATIONAL LANDMARK. SO, THIS IS A STEP ONE THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE IT A LOCAL LANDMARK.

I THINK THE GOAL OF THE MAYOR IS TO MAKE IT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO GET THE STATE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

SO IT WOULD BE STEP TWO, AND THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE FILLING OUT AN APPLICATION THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE SIGNED BY THE MAYOR AT THAT POINT.

AND THAT THAT WOULD BE STEP TWO. AND THEN THE STATE WITH THE LOCAL WOULD GO GET IT PUT ON TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

I GET THAT PART. THE PART THAT THAT I'M, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THE.

SO THE COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED US TO DO. THE FIRST STEP IS IN THE LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? THE COUNCIL HAS SAID THAT THEY WANT NATIONAL.

SO, THIS FIRST STEP IS NECESSARY. IT COMES COMPLETELY.

AND THAT'S WHY I ALSO PUT IN THAT BRR BECAUSE IT KIND OF EXPLAIN THE PROCESS THAT THE COUNCIL WAS DEALING WITH.

SO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAS BROUGHT US AN APPLICATION.

I THINK THE APPLICATION WAS ATTACHED, WASN'T IT? YES. OKAY. SO IT'S AN APPLICATION BY THE CITY.

SO WE ARE THE COMMISSION THAT ACTUALLY APPROVES LOCAL LANDMARKS.

WHAT ULTIMATELY THAT MEANS IS REALLY IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

IT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY. AND IT'S A LANDMARK IN THE CITY, AND I THINK YOU CAN EVEN MAKE INTERNAL CHANGES WITHIN THE PARK WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY THE PARK IS.

THAT'S THE PART THAT THAT I WAS UNCLEAR ABOUT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT OUR, OUR PURVIEW WAS ON PROPERTIES.

IT IS A PROPERTY. BUT IT'S A, IT'S A CITY PROPERTY.

SO VINCENT PARK, THAT'S WHY VINCENT PARK'S APPLICATION IN THERE, THAT'S A CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

THE HISTORIC LIBRARY IS A CITY OWNED PROPERTY WHICH IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

THE CITY. BUT THE CITY, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED ON THAT.

CORRECT. THEY WILL HAVE TO WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING IT BEYOND JUST THE LOCAL LANDMARK.

THEY WILL HAVE TO GET THE STATE INVOLVED. THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS IN THERE.

AND I DON'T I, ONLY EXAMPLE I SAW WAS ON VINCENT PARK WHERE WE DID IT, AND THEN THE CITY WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE INVOLVED TO GET THE NATIONAL REGISTRATION ON IT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE EASIEST PART, I THINK, OF THE WHOLE THING. SO YES, YOU. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING OUR.

OUR LANE. OUR LANE IN WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.

BECAUSE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE, NOT THAT WE'RE DOING IT, BUT I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE. SEASIDE LAGOON FOR ARGUMENT'S

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SO I THINK THAT THRESHOLD HAS BEEN CROSSED. OR YOU HAVE YOUR SIGN OVER THERE THAT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PRESERVE.

THAT WOULD BE ALSO CITY OWNED PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO BE PRESENTING AS IT'S DOING HERE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SAYING THEY WANT TO DO IT.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, IT'S. OKAY. WE'RE WITHIN OUR LANE.

OKAY, JUST DOUBLE CHECKING. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I GOT A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. IS IT CUSTOMARY? SO MY BACKGROUND IS ACCOUNTING. SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE.

THERE'S A 3 TO $5,000 ESTIMATED COST TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL TO PREPARE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

ARE YOU. FAMILIAR WITH THAT. YES. YEAH. THAT WAS ASSESSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL IF THE CITY WERE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT.

SO I JUST THIS IS PROBABLY OUT OF IGNORANCE, BUT IT'S CUSTOMARY TO HIRE A THIRD PARTY LIKE EXTERNAL ATTORNEY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR CONSULTANT AS OPPOSED TO USING LIKE IN-HOUSE CITY COUNCIL? IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE EFFORT. THE CITY IS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SO THERE IS SUPPORT FROM THE STATE FOR CERTAIN THINGS. AND SO THE CITY COULD MAYBE TRY TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES AS WELL AS JUST HANDLE IT IN-HOUSE.

I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO GAUGE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE EFFORT ASSOCIATED WITH THE STATE AND NATIONAL REGISTER.

IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY EVALUATION.

IN SOME CASES, IT REQUIRES A, REQUIRES A HISTORIAN OR A HISTORIC CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE THAT NECESSARY LEVEL OF JUSTIFICATION. IF THE EVIDENCE AND THE ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY STAFF IS NOT SUFFICIENT OR THERE'S INSUFFICIENT BANDWIDTH BY STAFF TO SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SO WE WILL MOVE TO TAKING TESTIMONY FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE PUBLIC PERSON WHO'S ACTUALLY NAME SHOWS UP ON SOME OF THE OLDER STUFF.

SO, MR. KLINGER, DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND TAKE TESTIMONY? DO I HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN? DO YOU DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU SHALL GIVE SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

AND IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME. ELYA KLINGER.

OKAY. AND IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN YOUR ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO FORMER HISTORICAL COMMISSIONER THAT STARTED THIS PROJECT.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF BACKGROUND, THANK YOU, CHAIR MAROKO, FOR THE RECOGNITION.

I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON COMMISSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO IT WAS A BLAST.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH ALL MY SHENANIGANS.

AND SPEAKING OF SOME OF THOSE SHENANIGANS, I DID RENAME THE VICE CHAIR POSITION TO CHAIR OF VICE.

AND THEN WHEN WE HAD THE COMMISSION RESHUFFLED THAT POSITION WASN'T CHANGED.

SO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION EFFECTIVELY ENDED WITH THE POSITION OF CHAIR OF VICE.

SO THANK YOU FOR PROMOTING VICE SPECIFICALLY CHAIR VICE.

THAT'S JUST LIKE SOME A BRIEF ROUND OF FUN HISTORY.

YOUR TIME, BY THE WAY. SO I SAID, YOU'RE ON TIME.

SO YOU WANT TO GET TO THE POINT. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT MY INSPIRATION FOR THE PROJECT WAS MAYOR BRAND, WHO WAS REDONDO MOST POPULAR MAYOR ACCORDING TO THE VOTING RESULTS AND JUST TYPING THE MOST POPULAR MAYOR IN GENERAL LEFT HIS STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS THAT HE USED TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTS.

AND REDONDO IS A GREAT COMMUNITY TO GROW UP IN THRIVE WHERE WE HAVE LIFELONG NEIGHBORS MAKE LIFELONG FRIENDSHIPS.

AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE OF THE MAYOR FAVORITE QUOTE.

NEVER DOUBT THAT A SMALL GROUP OF THOUGHTFUL, COMMITTED CITIZENS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD, INDEED, IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAS. THAT WAS BY MARGARET MEAD.

AND SO NOW I'LL JUST GET TO THE PROJECT. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE DOING IS FINDING UNIQUE THINGS TO BENEFIT OUR CITY OR THE COMPANY THAT I'M LEADING, WHICH IS WHAT BOTH ARE DOING PRETTY WELL.

AND I LOVE WILDERNESS PARK. I LOVE CAMPING THERE.

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THE FELLOW COMMISSIONER JAKE BARBIREGOS GAVE ME A PRIVATE TOUR OF THE PARK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AND I NOTICED THAT ON THE CALIFORNIA REGISTRY, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS UNIQUENESS.

SO THE HOPKINS WILDERNESS PARK IS THE ONLY PARK WHERE THAT WAS USED BY THE CHOWIGNA AS AN OUTLOOK FOR OVER 7,100 YEARS.

SO THEY WOULD COME THERE, HAVE THEIR MOMENT OF SERENITY, AND THEY WOULD SEND OUT HUNTING PARTIES TO HUNT THE LOCAL ANIMALS.

I'M UNDER OATH, SO I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE EXACTLY WHAT SPECIFIC ANIMALS THEY HUNTED, BUT THEY DID GATHER THERE AT THE OUTLOOK, AND THEN THEY SENT OUT HUNTING PARTIES. THEN IT WAS USED AS A NIKE MISSILE SITE DURING THE COLD WAR, PROVIDING US ALL WITH SERENITY FROM POTENTIAL MISSILES DETERRENCE, EVEN THOUGH REDONDO WASN'T EXACTLY A MAJOR TARGET IN THE COLD WAR.

AND MOST RECENTLY, IT BECAME THE ONLY SPOT OF SERENITY IN AN URBAN JUNGLE.

IT'S A HUGE 11-ACRE PARK. IT'S WHERE YOU CAN STAY OVERNIGHT.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. I RECOMMEND THAT EVERYBODY VISITS IT.

AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I LOVE GROWING UP AS A KID.

AND I'M HOPING THAT MORE PEOPLE FIND OUT ABOUT IT.

AND I THINK IT HAS A GREAT SHOT OF BECOMING A CALIFORNIA STATE LANDMARK BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUENESS.

AND THEN TO ANSWER THE ACCOUNTING PART A LITTLE BIT, I THINK THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS GOING TO HELP US MAKE IT A NATIONAL LANDMARK.

AND IN TERMS OF CALIFORNIA APPLICATION, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO FILL OUT.

I THINK THE CITY CAN DEFINITELY DO IT, ESPECIALLY WITH STATE RESOURCES THAT ARE GIVEN.

AND I'LL WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR QUITE A WHILE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? NONE THAT I RECEIVED. OKAY. SO MR. MCCANDLESS, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF? NO.

OKAY. SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND START OUR DELIBERATIONS? MOTION TO CLOSE. THANK YOU. SECOND? SECOND. OKAY.

AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO IT'S CLOSED. NOW WE CAN DELIBERATE. I'LL START AGAIN.

I'LL START ON THIS SIDE THIS TIME. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS OR.

YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. NO COMMENTS. JUST THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE.

NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE.

I HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF TAKING SOME OF MY OWN KIDS TO AN OVERNIGHT CAMP THERE WITH THE CHURCH YOUTH GROUP.

AND IT IS A UNIQUE PARK THAT I FULLY SUPPORT PRESERVING NOTHING FURTHER.

AND THE ONLY THING I REALLY WANT TO ADD AT THIS POINT IS IN THE SUPPLEMENT THERE'S A LOT MORE HISTORY ABOUT IT AND DIFFERENT THINGS ON IT.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY, IF WE PASS THIS TODAY, WE'LL START THE EFFORT TO GET THE STATE APPROVAL.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ANY MORE COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD. IN DESIGNATING THE PARK AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK IS THE VISITOR CENTER PART OF THAT? SO IF ANY MODIFICATIONS OR ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE TO THAT STRUCTURE NEED TO HAPPEN, IS THAT PART OF THE LANDMARK? AND HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THAT.

YES, ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED. AGAIN, IN REVIEWING ANY POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS THERE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, WHAT IS THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE? WHAT ARE THE KEY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE LANDMARK IN ASSESSING THAT.

BUT YEAH, YES, IT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO THE PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION IF PROPOSED ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS REACH THE THRESHOLD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING REVIEW.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE AGES OF THE VISITOR CENTER, WHEN IT WAS BUILT? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THE MATERIALS.

I ACTUALLY GAVE YOU THE ARCHITECTS PROPOSAL FOR THAT STRUCTURE AND DESIGN OF THE PARK.

IT'S IN THE 70S, BUT THE PARK WAS RECEIVED IN 1971, AND I THINK IT WAS OPENED UP TO THE PUBLIC, LIKE IN 74. OKAY. SO. AND THERE'S A PARKING LOT THERE TOO.

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THE VISITOR CENTER. BUT IT'S CITY OWNED, SO THEY, THEY CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORDINANCE IF THEY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES SPECIFICALLY LIKE EARTHQUAKE CODE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UP THERE.

IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER BUILT AFTER THE 1970 SYLMAR QUAKE.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOME STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY THERE.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY THIS PARK IS MAINTAINED AS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SOUTHLAND, SOUTH BAY PARK LAND CONSERVANCY. SO THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT AS WELL.

BEING THIS LANDMARK. OKAY, SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SO CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? YES. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION ON THE DESIGNATION OF HOPKINS WILDERNESS PARK AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 04, TITLE 10 OF THE REDONDO BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE.

THANK YOU, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. GO ON ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE, TOO.

WHY DON'T WE DO A ROLL CALL? THAT WAS MORE. WHY NOT? I. COMMISSIONER SPJUTE? AYE. COMMISSIONER ROY? AYE. COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER MALCOLM? AYE. COMMISSIONER GALASSI? AYE. COMMISSIONER GAMBLE? AYE. CHAIR MAROKO? AYE. SO IT PASSES. HOW OFTEN DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT THE STATUS IS ON THE NEXT STEP? IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. OKAY, GREAT. WELL THANK YOU.

PLEASE STICK AROUND BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD ACTUALLY BE BENEFITING TO THIS COMMISSION AND THAT YOU CAN TAKE BACK TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. OKAY, SO WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM K, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

ITEM L, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING NEWLY APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS TO JOINING THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

[L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]

TRADITIONALLY WE START STAFFING THEM IN OCTOBER.

SO THIS GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE LAST MONTH.

AND IF YOU READ THE MINUTES YOU'LL SEE WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES.

THE ONE THAT I THINK I'VE KIND OF BROKEN OUT AND ACTUALLY HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST BEING PART OF THE OUTREACH SUBCOMMITTEE SINCE I'M BRINGING IN A LOT OF THE STUFF, AND I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE FORMALIZED.

AND I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER SPJUTE YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT MAYBE BEING INTERESTED IN THE FACILITIES USERS SUBCOMMITTEE.

THAT'S CORRECT, I DID. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE REVISITING THIS IN OCTOBER.

YES. THESE COMMISSION, THESE COMMITTEES EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE MONTH, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE NOW A FULLY LOADED COMMISSION IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY STATE WHAT YOU WANT AND THEN IT'LL MAKE IT GO QUICKER IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.

IF YOU STILL WANT TO DO IT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVE A WHOLE MONTH THAT YOU CAN MEET AND TALK AND SEE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CONTINUE ON WITH IT OR NOT. PRECISELY. AND THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXISTING SUBCOMMITTEES WE HOPE TO BRING THIS BACK NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE CAN MAYBE FORMALIZE MORE THE SELECTIONS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION LAST TIME AND THIS FORMALIZES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SO YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING THE EXISTING SUBCOMMITTEES AND PLEASE PROCEED.

AND IF YOU ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE WITHIN OUR LANE AND FOCUS ON WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES ARE, PLEASE BRING IT UP IN OCTOBER BECAUSE THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO IT.

SO I, AND I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VOTE ULTIMATELY ON THE ADDITIONS WE DO TONIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BINDING FOR THE NEXT TIME. SO I DO HAVE COMMISSIONER SPJUTE DOWN FOR THE FACILITY USER.

DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS? YEAH, I DID. I'M INTERESTED IN THE PRESERVATION AND THE BUDGET.

OKAY. THERE'S TWO PRESERVATIONS YOU WANT THE RECOGNITION OR THE.

THE MINOR ALTERATIONS. MINOR ALTERATIONS. OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THROWN ON THIS. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS AT THIS POINT? YEAH, I DO. THANK YOU. I'M INTERESTED IN THE FACILITIES USERS SUBCOMMITTEE OR THE BRINGING HISTORY TO THE COMMUNITY SUBCOMMITTEE.

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I'M NOT SURE IF BOTH, BUT I WILL DISCERN ON IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON IT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMIT TODAY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AGAIN NEXT MONTH, SO DON'T FEEL RUSHED LOOKING THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF.

NO, NO. I HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. I, I'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE.

OKAY, GREAT. COMMISSIONER. I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD I REALLY HAVE NOT HAD THE TIME YET TO DECIDE. OKAY, WELL, AGAIN, AS I SAID, THIS IS ONLY REALLY FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND REVISIT IT AGAIN NEXT MONTH AS A FORMAL THING. SO THE NEXT MONTH IS A PREVIEW.

YOU WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELECT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THIS COMMISSION, AS WELL AS SET UP THE COMMITTEES THAT YOU WANT TO DO. SOME OF THESE MAY DISAPPEAR LIKE I THINK.

FRANKLIN. WELL, I DON'T KNOW FRANKLIN PARK'S GOING TO DISAPPEAR BECAUSE HE JUST STARTED CONSTRUCTION, BUT SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED, SO WE'LL GO DEAL WITH THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT IS WE GET THE MAYOR TO COME TO OUR MEETING AT, MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER COMES AND ASKS US, WHAT DO WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON? OUR LANES ARE RECS AND PARKS, HISTORY, LIBRARY AND.

PRESERVATION. PRESERVATION, THERE WE GO. SO THAT'S KIND OF WE WANT TO BE READY WHEN THEY SAY, TELL US WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THAT.

DO WE STILL HAVE THE MODELS THAT COMMISSIONER YOUSUFZAI DID? I BELIEVE SO, AND WE CAN REVISIT THAT DISCUSSION INDIVIDUALLY IF THE COMMISSION SO CHOOSES TO PURSUE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.

I THINK THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND BRIEFLY, IF I MAY, THAT YOU KNOW WE REALIZE THAT THE CITY IS ON A STANDARD MUNICIPAL FISCAL BUDGET. SOMETIMES THOSE REQUESTS ALTHOUGH WE REALIZE THAT THEY'RE REGULAR AND THEY COME AT REGULAR INTERVALS IT DOES TAKE SOME TIME TO PREPARE INPUT FROM STAFF.

SO THEY, WE HAD CREATED AT THE TIME A, A STANDING SUBCOMMITTEE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF A SUBCOMMITTEE, I SHOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE PARAMETERS AND WE CAN BRIEF COMMISSIONERS ON THOSE PARAMETERS.

BUT IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN OUR TRADITIONAL BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEES.

AND THAT IT WAS KIND OF STANDING AND TRYING TO ACKNOWLEDGE REQUESTS FOR FUNDING AS DIFFERENT PROJECTS ARISE, AND TRY TO MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT THAT IN THE CITY'S BUDGETARY PROCESS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RAMP UP REAL QUICK AND GET A REQUEST IN.

SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY SMART AND ASTUTE MODEL.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. AND I WILL ADD TO IT.

THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OPPORTUNITIES. ONE WHEN THEY DO THE ANNUAL BUDGET, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER AT MID MID-TERM.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT COMES JUMPING OUT.

WHEN I WAS ON THE LIBRARY COMMISSION, WE TRIED TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE LIBRARY ITSELF, BUT THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY THAT SEEM TO BE MORE PERSUASIVE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH OUR LIAISON A LOT MORE TO FLUSH OUT SOME OF THE, THE THINGS AND THE PARAMETERS. AND HE LIKES KEEPING US IN OUR LANE.

SO ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD BE A BETTER LINE FOR LANE, THAT LANE LIKES TO KEEP US ON OUR LANE.

SO I'LL GO WITH THESE, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE TODAY AGAIN, NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.

BUT IF YOU GET A GOOD JUMP AND YOU DO LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON, THEN GREAT.

AND THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO DO BUDGET, I, AGAIN, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU TALK TO OUR LIAISON AND AS WELL AS GETTING YOUR LIBRARY TOUR, THAT IS PHENOMENAL. THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT UNDER STAFF.

WE'LL GET TO THAT. THANK YOU. SO FOR THE MINOR ALTERATIONS COMMITTEE COMMISSIONER GALASSI IS ON IT ALREADY.

COMMISSIONER ROY WANTS TO BE ON IT, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO VOTE ONCE I GO THROUGH ALL THE NAMES ON IT, BECAUSE I GUESS THEY WANT A FORMAL THING.

SO WE DON'T DO WITH THIS BROWN ACT STUFF. FOR FACILITIES USER SUBCOMMITTEE COMMISSIONER SPJUTE AND COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ WANT TO BE ON IT.

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COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON IT.

CAN I ACTUALLY. I CAN I, THE HISTORY, I'M GOING TO GO SPECIFIC THE HISTORY OF THE LGBTQ.

OH, THAT'D BE GREAT. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THAT ONE.

OKAY, SO I GUESS I'M STILL ALL ALONE ON THAT ONE.

FRANKLIN PLAYGROUND, YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT, DOES ANYBODY? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY. I MEAN, IT'S COMING TO ITS COMPLETION AND IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED.

MY UNDERSTANDING BY THE END OF OCTOBER, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WORK WE NEED TO DO THERE.

SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WELL NOBODY ELSE HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST AT THIS POINT, SO.

THERE YOU GO. SAME THING WITH THE PICKLEBALL ONE. BY THE WAY, THIS IS OUR PICKLEBALL EXPERT.

SO THE THING WITH PICKLEBALL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR AMENITY HAS BEEN INSTALLED AND IT'S BEING VERY WELL USED.

QUESTIONS ARE STILL COMING UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE NECESSARILY A COMMITTEE.

WHAT I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN IS THAT WE WOULD BRING IT AS STAFF REFERRALS DURING OUR MEETINGS.

SO WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT IN OCTOBER WHEN IT COMES UP AGAIN.

YEAH. OKAY. FOR RESEARCH IN THE HISTORY OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY I'M ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS AND THE RECOGNITION.

SO THAT ONE'S THE ONE WITH HOW DO WE RECOGNIZE OUR HISTORIC LANDMARKS? WHAT DO WE DO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THAT ONE, IF NOBODY WANTS IT, THAT'S FINE AT THIS POINT.

AND THEN THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE COMMISSIONER ROY AND COMMISSIONER MALCOLM WANT TO BE ON THAT.

SO DID I LEAVE ANYBODY OUT OR ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS? OKAY, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE NAMES THAT I JUST READ AND THE COMMITTEES THAT THEY ARE WITH PEOPLE GET APPROVED TO, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT MONTH BE ON THOSE COMMITTEES.

THAT SATISFY THE NEED OF COMMUNITY SERVICES? YES.

OKAY, SO I NEED A SECOND ON THAT. I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY AUDIENCE COMMENT? OKAY. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THEN NOW WE HAVE THE OFFICIAL STUFF.

AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY TAKES CARE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY ALTERATIONS REPORT. NOTHING ON ALTERATIONS.

AND WE HAD A VERY SMALL MEETING FOR THE OUTREACH THIS WEEK AND I DIDN'T PROVIDE A FULL REPORT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE WERE JUST PLUGGING IN SOME MINOR INFORMATION.

OKAY. WE'RE WAITING ON SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO WE'RE SKIPPING OVER TO THAT ONE. DO YOU HAVE A DATE THAT YOU WANT TO TELL OUR COMMISSIONERS ABOUT AND WHAT HOURS MAY BE SO THEY CAN PUT IT ON THEIR CALENDARS IF THEY WANT TO COME. OUR NEXT MEETING IS, I BELIEVE, THE 22ND WE SAID RIGHT? ON THE TUESDAY. SO, THIS IS THE EVENT AT THE HISTORIC LIBRARY THAT'S WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HISTORIC HOMES. SO WE'RE WAITING ON A TIME FOR THAT FOR THE SEPTEMBER.

ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE DATE OF THE NEXT SUBCOMMITTEE OR THE DATE OF THE EVENT? OH, THE DATE OF THE EVENT. DATE OF THE EVENT.

I THINK IT'S NOVEMBER 21ST. YEAH. NOVEMBER 21ST.

OKAY. AND DO WE HAVE A TIME FOR THAT ONE? WELL, WE HAVE A BLOCK OF TIME FROM, I THINK IT WAS 8 TO 1, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY, AND I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO NEED VOLUNTEERS FROM THIS COMMISSION.

SO WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING AS A VOLUNTEER, SO ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME.

WELL, WE HAVE TO PUT ALL THE TASKS BEHIND THAT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS EVENT IS GEARED WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING OUT COMMUNICATION TO ALL THE OWNERS OF ALREADY DESIGNATED LANDMARK PROPERTIES. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE INVITING THEM TO INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER BECAUSE WE REALIZE THAT PEOPLE, AS THEY'RE DOING ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR HOMES, THEY HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE OR THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ASK FOR.

IN ADDITION, WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING INFORMATION FOR ANYONE REALLY WHO IS INTERESTED IN THIS PROCESS.

AND AS A RESULT, HAVING THE PEOPLE THERE WHO ALREADY HAVE A HISTORIC LANDMARK PROPERTY WILL GIVE THEM

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IT'S NICE TO HEAR FROM AN ACTUAL HOMEOWNER. YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN GETTING IT THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR THROUGH THE COMMISSION. SO ON THAT DAY, WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING A PRESENTATION.

WE'LL HAVE SOME MATERIALS, SOME VISUAL MATERIAL THAT WE'LL PUT OUT ON THE TABLE AND MAYBE SOME VERY LIGHT REFRESHMENTS.

SO WE'LL NEED HELP WITH SETTING UP POSSIBLY DOING SOME, MAYBE SOME GRAPHICS.

I'M NOT SURE YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL PUTTING ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.

OKAY, GREAT. BRINGING HISTORY TO THE COMMUNITY SUBCOMMITTEE, TWO THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO FOCUS ON AS FAR AS CALENDARING GOES. SO WE HAVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM JEFFERSON ELEMENTARY, AN OPEN SPACE.

IT'S CALLED THE OPEN SPACE. AND IT'S WE HAVE ORDERED SIGNS THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXPLAINING THE IN JAPANESE INTERNMENT, WE HAVE THE ITO FAMILY WITH THE PARK IS NAMED AFTER.

WERE LONG TIME REDONDO BEACH RESIDENTS WHO ENDED UP GOING TO POST AN INTERNMENT CAMP.

SO WE HAVE WE FIGURED WE GOT A SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.

WE HAVE A SIGN THAT TALKS ABOUT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT PUT THEM IN THE CAMPS.

THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CAMPS, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FAMILY THAT NOW WELL OVER A CENTURY LIVED IN REDONDO.

SO THAT'S COMING, THAT'S BEING SHIPPED TO US AS WE SPEAK FROM MINNESOTA.

AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A DEDICATION SOMETIME IN OCTOBER SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME LEARN ABOUT WHY THAT PARK IS THERE. THE SECOND THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO START FOCUSING ON NOW THAT THE ARTESIA STUFF HAS MOVED OFF OF THE PLATE OF THE CULTURAL ARTS MANAGER IS WE HAVE THESE PATH OF HISTORY MARKERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE ONE OUT IN FRONT OF THE MEETING HALL, BUT WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH THAT ARE BEING SLATED TO GO UP AGAIN.

SO THAT'S COMING UP AS WELL. AND THEN WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO, AND I'LL BRING THIS UP IN OCTOBER SPECIFICALLY IS SO FOR THE NORTH REDONDO PEOPLE, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE 100TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ANNEXATION OF NORTH REDONDO TO REDONDO BEACH. AND THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT HAPPENED THERE.

AND I'D LIKE TO START THINKING ABOUT GETTING EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND SPEAKERS AND MAYBE EVEN MAPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO PEOPLE CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF THAT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE COMING UP IN OCTOBER.

FRANKLIN PARK, I THINK YOU ALREADY COVERED. THE OUTREACH YOU COVERED.

AND THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY IN REDONDO BEACH. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREAT PROJECT. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED. ORIGINALLY THEY WERE GOING TO PUT A SCULPTURE AND THEY STILL ARE PROBABLY GOING TO PUT A SCULPTURE AT THE NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY, BUT THEY ASKED US TO LOOK AT COME UP WITH A HISTORY ABOUT IT.

AND SO WE, WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT AS A GROUP THERE WERE THREE PROPOSALS.

ONE IS TO JUST DRAW SOMETHING UP THAT'S SHORT AND SWEET AND GOES RIGHT TO THE STATUTE.

THE OTHER WAS WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.

ONE OF THE FIRST LGBTQ SENATORS IN THE SOUTH BAY ACTUALLY IS ON ARTESIA BOULEVARD ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, ESSENTIALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LIBRARY TO GET SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY HAS EXPERIENCE IN TEACHING THEM AND STUFF TO COME AND GET US SOME HELP ON GETTING THE STORY PUT TOGETHER.

AND THEN THE THIRD PROPOSAL IF YOU LOOK AT THE MATERIALS THAT CAME FROM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS TO HAVE A REALLY ALL OUT HISTORICAL CONTEXT STATEMENT, KIND OF LIKE SACRAMENTO DOES KIND OF LIKE LOS ANGELES DOES AND SEE IF WE CAN GET GRANT MONEY. AND WE WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHICH PATH THEY WOULD LIKE US TO FOLLOW.

SO THAT'S, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET THAT GUIDANCE AND THEN FIGURE OUT.

BUT WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY, IF WE WANTED TO RAISE $10,000 THAT IS IN THE COMMUNITY, HAS TAUGHT AT COLLEGE LEVELS ON THAT SUBJECT

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SO THAT'S, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHAT WE DO.

AND IF WE DO IT RIGHT, WE CAN DO IT AS A MODEL FOR A NUMBER OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY ITSELF.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL THE REPORTS I HAVE AT THIS POINT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE SWITCH TO THE STAFF PART? NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THEN.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. I ACTUALLY SHOULD SAY CAN WE RECEIVE AND FILE? I'LL MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE. ALL THE ORAL REPORTS.

I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEMS FROM STAFF. JUST A LITTLE PREVIEW. SO AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED IN OCTOBER, WE WILL DO HAVE THE APPOINTMENTS

[M. ITEMS FROM STAFF]

ALSO NEXT MONTH WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR NOVEMBER MEETING BECAUSE NOVEMBER MEETING FALLS ON A HOLIDAY, SO WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THAT.

AND THANKS TO THE CHAIR FOR REMINDING ME TOMORROW YOU SHOULD RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM OUR ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATOR, LANE BUTLER REGARDING COORDINATING A SCHEDULE SO THAT EACH OF THE NEW COMMISSIONERS.

AND LISTEN, IF THE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS WANT TO COME BACK FOR A TOUR MORE THAN HAPPY.

I DON'T THINK I EVER WENT ON A TOUR. WELL, THERE YOU GO.

WELL, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SCHEDULE THAT WITH YOU.

IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR INTRODUCTIONS AND FOR ME TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOU.

AND THEN ALSO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE VIEW OF THE LIBRARY AND OUR OPERATIONS HERE.

WE HAVE TWO, TWO WONDERFUL LIBRARIES HERE IN REDONDO.

AND BOTH ARE VERY UNIQUE, BUT I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A KIND AND CARING STAFF AND VERY, VERY GOOD USAGE FOR A PUBLIC LIBRARY TODAY. IN FACT, OUR NUMBERS HAVE BEEN INCREASING EVER SINCE COVID.

SO I'M PROUD OF THE SYSTEM THAT I INHERITED HERE.

AND WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INVITE YOU DOWN TO OUR LIBRARY FOR A LITTLE TOUR, A LITTLE INTRODUCTION.

SO YOU SHOULD RECEIVE THAT EMAIL TOMORROW. THAT'S ALL FROM ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I WILL POINT OUT, I THINK YOU GOT A NEW SCANNER THERE NOW TOO, SO.

WE DO. IT'S ACTUALLY AMAZING WHAT THEY DO IN THERE.

AND ACTUALLY, JOHN, SINCE YOU'RE ALSO NEW TERRY, YOU MAY WANT TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET A TOUR AS WELL.

BUT IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY IF THERE'S ANYBODY OUT THERE, IT'S THE MOST FUNCTIONAL DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DIRECTOR.

WE HAVE AMAZING ENTHUSIASTIC STAFF OVER THERE.

AND THINGS KIND OF GET DONE. I MEAN, A FARMER'S MARKET IN NORTH REDONDO WAS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY'S EFFORTS. SO GET A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW THE STAFF AND THE PEOPLE OVER THERE.

THEY'RE GREAT RESOURCES AS WELL. OKAY, JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO RELATE TO US LIKE ANY NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS NEXT MONTH? I HAVE NO UPDATES. OKAY. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER OF OUR STAFF PEOPLE HERE? I HAVE A QUESTION, ACTUALLY, YES. I ALSO SERVE ON THE BOARD IN THE RIVIERA VILLAGE ASSOCIATION AND I'M ON THE BEAUTIFICATION SUBCOMMITTEE. AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND IT CAME UP THE QUESTION LIKE THE TRASH CANS THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC SPACES OF THE CITY RIVIERA, IS THAT IN OUR LANE OR IS THAT PUBLIC WORKS OR MAYBE EVEN ARTS AND CULTURE BECAUSE OF PAINTING? IS IT. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, JUST BRIEFLY, IF YOU JUST SEND US AN EMAIL, OKAY, REGARDING YOUR CONCERN, WE'LL GET YOU THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE CITY. WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON IT TOMORROW.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND YOU GET A CHANCE TO MEET MIKE KLEIN, WHO'S ALSO A PHENOMENAL PERSON TOO, IN THE CITY. BUT YEAH, RIVIERA HAS GOT A SPECIAL SPOT, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY DIRECT YOU TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. INCLUDING THE PERSON WHO'S THE CHAIR OF THAT BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEE.

OKAY. OKAY, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I JUST MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE STAFF REPORTS.

I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE.

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NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, COMMISSION REFERRALS TO STAFF.

[N. COMMISSION REFERRALS TO STAFF]

THINGS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO SEE COMING UP AT A FUTURE MEETING.

TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO AGENDIZE AND THEN HAVE THE STAFF TELL US WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT OR NOT.

BUT IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY. AND I'LL START WITH DOWN THERE AGAIN.

NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GALASSI.

I DO HAVE A REFERRAL TO STAFF. FIRST OF ALL, I, AND I HAD SPOKEN TO DIRECTOR ORTA ABOUT THIS.

I WANTED TO GET SOME DATA ON THE ALTAVISTA TENNIS COURT THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR 2025 AND 2026. SPECIFICALLY, FOR, I WOULD SAY THE MORNING HOURS DURING WHICH TIME PICKLEBALL IS DOING THEIR OPEN PLAY. AND ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS, NOBODY CAN GET A COURT BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSTANTLY BOOKED, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THE CITY. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IN THE TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN THERE PLAYING THE TENNIS COURT NEXT DOOR HAS IS RARELY BEING USED. SO MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY IS TO GET THAT DATA TO UNDERSTAND IF IT WOULD MERIT OVERLAYING STRIPES FOR PICKLE BALLS FOR DUAL USE ON THAT COURT IN ORDER TO INCREASE SOME FUNDING FOR THE CITY AND TO PROVIDE MORE ACCESS.

AND ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT YOUR REPORTS ARE THAT THEY'RE SO THOROUGH AND THAT THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION, I FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE TO ASK YOU ANYTHING.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS IN THERE.

ALL THAT DATA IS VALUABLE TO ME. I SIT THERE AND I READ IT EVERY SINGLE MONTH.

THANK YOU. I DO BECAUSE TO ME, IT, IT TELLS ME ABOUT THE HEALTH OF OUR FACILITIES, RIGHT, OF OUR PROGRAMS. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF NEEDING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE BUDGET, I, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO DIRECTOR ORTA ABOUT THIS, I'VE SPOKEN TO MIKE WITZANSKY ABOUT THIS, I, I FEEL THAT I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE PARKS AND REC SIDE.

OUR REPORTS HAVE BEEN THAT THEY'VE BEEN VERY TERSE, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON OUR PROGRAMING AND IT'S NOT TO, TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DIRECT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, BUT IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THAT SECOND SET OF EYES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US FEEDBACK ON THOSE PROGRAMS, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS. AND SO, I JUST WANT TO ASK ONE MORE TIME, COULD WE GET MORE SUBSTANTIAL REPORTS? I CAN PROVIDE ONCE AGAIN A PARKS AND REC COMMISSION REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE PARKS AND REC COMMISSION TO, TO SHOW AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED TO THEM.

SO WE I THINK IN A CITY LIKE OURS, I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. OKAY. NO COMMENT.

NOTHING. I ACTUALLY HAD ONE REFERRAL TO STAFF ISSUE.

AND MAYBE IT'S JUST TO HELP CLARIFY. I KNOW IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE CITY UPGRADED AND ADJUSTED THE PITCHING BULLPENS AT PERRY PARK. AND THEN TOOK OUT AND NEVER ACTUALLY COMPLETED UPDATING THE PITCHING BULLPENS FOR LITTLE LEAGUE AT ANDERSON PARK.

NOT ON THE SCHOOL FACILITY, BUT IN THE PARK AREA.

AND JUST FROM OBSERVATION, I KNOW THAT THE IMPROVEMENT DONE AT PERRY WITH THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN PLACE, IT SORT OF DISSOLVED AND IS IN NEED OF REPAIR.

AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PARKS AND REC ARE LOOKING AT? DO THEY HAVE A PLAN, A PLAN IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THOSE? AND DOES THAT PLAN INCLUDE ASSESSING WHAT WAS DONE AND WHY IT WASN'T EFFECTIVE AND REQUIRES REPLACING AND REPAIRING SO, SO SOON AFTER IT WAS INITIALLY DONE? YEAH, WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT QUERY TO THE CORRECT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD CROSS BETWEEN SEVERAL.

SO WE'VE TAKEN IT DOWN AND WE'LL TRY TO GET SOMEONE TO REACH OUT TO YOU SOON.

I'D APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I'VE GOT, AS USUAL, A LIST.

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AND I KNOW WHEN I FIRST STARTED OFF ON THIS COMMISSION, I FELT REALLY, I WAS FACED WITH A SIMILAR WHAT YOU DID WITH THE, A VOTE ON A PUBLIC HEARING. AND I FELT VERY UNEDUCATED.

SO FORTUNATELY, I HAD SOME GOOD MENTORS THAT HELPED ME WITH IT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET A TRAINING SESSION LIKE WE DO EVERY YEAR. AND IT'S PART OF THE CLG REPORT THAT TELLS US A LITTLE ABOUT PRESERVATION AND GIVES US SOME OF THE BASICS AND MAYBE SOME THINGS TO DO. I THINK COMMISSIONER GALASSI IS GOING TO AN EDUCATION EVENT LATER THIS MONTH, BUT JUST HAVE SOMEBODY FROM, AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, COME FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND TALK ABOUT THE PRESERVATION PROCESS AND TALK ABOUT THE SUCCESSES AND THE CHALLENGES AND STUFF, MAYBE EVEN A TOUR OF THE FACILITY FOR COMMISSIONERS THAT WANT TO GO THERE.

BUT WE ALSO NEED WE USE THE TERM CLG TODAY. I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS DON'T.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE COMING UP IS I THINK THE CLG ENDS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING TO COMBINE, COMPILE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE ON THIS, BOTH FORMER AND CURRENT. SO IT PROBABLY SOME SORT OF TRAINING THAT TELLS THEM, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOUR, WHAT'S GOING TO GET INCLUDED IN THE STATE REPORT.

SO THIS IS GOING TO RIGHT NOW, FORTUNATELY LAST GO AROUND, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE STUFF IN THERE, BUT YOUR APPLICATION FOR COMMISSIONER SOMETIMES CAN END UP BEING PART OF THE PACKAGE.

AND SOME PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH IT. SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT ALL THEIR, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL INFORMATION OR THEIR REFERENCES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE MATERIAL.

SO YOU'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MODIFY THAT.

AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT NEXT TIME ABOUT THE PROCESS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS THE DEADLINE.

THIS IS WHEN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THINGS. THAT'S ONE OF YOUR PUBLIC REPORTS.

THE OTHER IS A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, SO THAT HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE SOMEBODY THAT EXPLAINS OUR REQUIREMENT ANNUALLY, I GUESS MISS BUTLER WAS THE ONE WHO DID THE LAST GO ROUND FOR US.

SO EXPLAINING ALL THAT STUFF. BUT PRESERVATION TRAINING WOULD BE NICE.

ALSO WE ARE HAVING A TRAINING COMING UP WITH THE CITY.

COMMISSIONER ORIENTATION. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT DATE.

WE HAVE A DATE FOR THE. 22ND. 20. OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO SEND OUT A REMINDER AS THE CLERK'S GOING TO SEND OUT A REMINDER.

WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS REMINDED, EVEN MYSELF.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING A LOT ABOUT THE BROWN ACT.

AND THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE BROWN ACT.

AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL COVER WHAT'S EXPECTED OF YOU AS A COMMISSIONER WITH REGARD TO THAT.

ON A SIMILAR TOPIC YOU WILL BE GETTING BUSINESS CARDS AND A PHONE NUMBER.

CORRECT? CORRECT. SO TALK TO LEILAND BINKIE ABOUT WHEN YOU WOULD BE GETTING THAT.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PHONE NUMBER GOES TO YOU GUYS AND THEN YOU PASS IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE.

THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE AND THEN YOU'LL GET AN EMAIL ADDRESS AS WELL, WHICH IS ALL DONE AS PART OF THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? PUBLIC RECORDS STUFF. SO IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO SEARCH.

THE, I KNOW YOU'VE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

COMMISSIONER. GALASSI. WE DON'T SEEM TO BE GETTING STILL GETTING NOTIFICATIONS OF EVENTS THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO SHOW UP AT. AND IT WOULD BE NICE AGAIN TO SOMEHOW GET LOOPED INTO THAT.

AND WHEN WE'RE ON HISTORIC COMMISSION, WE DID A MASTER CALENDAR OF CITY EVENTS, WHICH MADE IT A LOT EASIER, AND IT WAS JUST EASIER TO JUST BRING OUT. THIS IS WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT MONTH.

ON THAT TOPIC, OUR NEXT MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO BE OCTOBER 14TH.

THEN IT'S SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 11TH AND DECEMBER 9TH.

HOPEFULLY BY OCTOBER WHEN WE HAVE OUR OCTOBER MEETING, WE WILL GET A CALENDAR OF DATES FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN THE THREE ABSENCE RULES REGARDLESS OF THE EXCUSE.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE DATES. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABSENT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE

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I KNOW THAT AS CHAIR NOW AND I'M NOT, I DON'T ANTICIPATE BEING CHAIR.

THE NEXT GO AROUND WE CAN STRUCTURE THE MEETING, SO YOU HAVE A CLOSEOUT THAT YOU HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE BY 8:15, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR GOING ALONG. WE CAN MOVE IT AROUND IF THERE ARE PIECES OF THE MEETING THAT YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND THEN CUT OUT.

I, THIS ONE IS A LITTLE LONG BECAUSE WE HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS BUT JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE THE THREE SNEAKS UP ON YOU VERY QUICKLY AND THEN YOU'LL FIND YOUR NAME NOT ON ONE OF THOSE NAMEPLATES WHEN YOU COME TO A MEETING.

AND THE CITY STILL NEEDS TO WORK ON THANKING THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SERVED.

SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND YOU CAN PUT THAT IN YOUR NOTES TO PASS ON.

OKAY. ALSO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS ALSO FOR OCTOBER CONSIDERATION, WE'VE BEEN REFERRED THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE BILL BRAND PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REFERRAL HAS FORMALLY COME OVER.

BUT I KNOW THE COMMISSION. FOR THE AMENITIES.

THE AMENITIES? YES. AND WE'LL WORK ON A, ON ADDRESSING THAT REFERRAL AND WHETHER HOW THAT COMES TO FRUITION, WHETHER IT BE LIKE A SUBCOMMITTEE OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT WE'LL BRING THAT BACK.

OKAY. AND THEN THE ONE THAT THEY DID LAST NIGHT.

YES. WAS THE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO NAMING RIGHTS, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW SPONSORSHIPS. I KNOW WHEN I WAS IN SOUTH REDONDO, WE HAD LIKE THE BILL DICKEY FIELD AND THE WAS IT CHUCK RAMSAY FIELD AND THE BILL DICKEY BATTING CAGES.

SO IT'LL GIVE YOU GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S COMING TO US.

AND APPARENTLY WE'RE THE VETTING BODY. BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT THE FORMAL REFERRAL YET, SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER AS PART OF YOUR FACILITIES USER THING.

RIGHT. COMMITTEE TO BE THE, THE VETTING FOR US.

OKAY, WE TALKED ABOUT BUCKET BALL, SO WE'RE FINE.

I THINK THAT'S IT. SO TAKES CARE OF ALL THE REFERRALS TO STAFF.

NOW WE'RE ON THE PART OF ADJOURNMENT. I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

AND THEN I'LL TAKE A SECOND AND I HAVE TO READ SOMETHING INTO THE RECORD.

SO IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO MOVE TO ADJOURN.

YEAH. I'LL MOVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. THE NEXT MEETING OF THE REDONDO BEACH PUBLIC AMENITIES COMMISSION WILL BE A REGULAR MEETING TO BE HELD AT 6:30 P.M.

ON OCTOBER 14TH, 2026 IN THE REDONDO BEACH COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 415 DIAMOND STREET, REDONDO BEACH.

IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE CITY OF REDONDO BEACH TO COMPLY WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT IN ALL RESPECTS.

IF AS AN ATTENDEE OR PARTICIPANT AT THIS MEETING, YOU WILL NEED SPECIAL ASSISTANCE BEYOND WHAT IS NORMALLY PROVIDED, THE CITY WILL ATTEMPT TO ACCOMMODATE YOU IN EVERY REASONABLE MANNER.

PLEASE CONTACT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AT (310) 318-0656 AT LEAST 48 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING TO INFORM US OF YOUR PARTICULAR NEEDS AND TO DETERMINE IF ACCOMMODATION IS FEASIBLE. PLEASE ADVISE US AT THIS TIME, AT THAT TIME, IF YOU WILL NEED ACCOMMODATIONS TO ATTEND OR PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS, AN AGENDA PACKET IS AVAILABLE 24 HOURS AT WWW.REDONDO.ORG UNDER THE CITY CLERK.

SO WE'VE BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO ADJOURN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. SO IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW WE'RE HERE TO HELP AND MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I NEED YOUR CONTACT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.