Sep 14, 2026 Harbor Commission

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MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026. ROLL CALL PLEASE.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSION. PLEASE. ABSOLUTELY.

IT SHOULD BE. YEAH. PLEASE STAND. PLACE YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART AND REPEAT WITH ME.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FIRST APPROVED THE ORDER OF AGENDA.

[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT.

NEXT, BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME.

[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]

TWO OF THEM ARE RELATED TO L.2 ABOUT AMPLIFIED MUSIC ON RECREATIONAL VESSELS.

AND ONE RELATED TO COMMISSIONER MEMBER ITEMS, ITEM N.

EXCELLENT. IS THERE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. NEXT THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ANY CHANGES? I HAD SOME CORRECTIONS IN THE MINUTES.

SURE. IN THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING FOR M.1, LIAISONS REPORT, IT MENTIONS DISCUSSION FOLLOWED, BUT I THOUGHT A KEY POINT THAT WASN'T LISTED THAT SHOULD BE LISTED WAS THAT MANAGER BUCK ASSURED THAT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WILL REPAIR THE ENTIRETY OF THE BREAKWALL. AND FURTHER DOWN IN THAT SECTION, TALKING ABOUT THE CAMERAS AFTER A SENTENCE ABOUT COMMISSIONER BAUER ADDED, THE CAMERAS WOULD BE GOOD FOR TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER ABELMAN. THE ADDITION WOULD BE THE.

WHAT WAS STATED WAS COMMISSIONER ABELMAN EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT UNDUE LEVERAGE TO LEVEL UP WITH THE E&A TIMELINE.

AND IN SECTION N, COMMISSION REFERRALS TO STAFF.

THE SECOND. SORRY. THE THIRD MOTION WAS NOT CORRECTLY CAPTURED.

THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FALK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BAUER WAS ACTUALLY AS A REFERRAL TO STAFF TO.

IT WASN'T A. IT WAS A MOTION TO, AS A REFERRAL TO STAFF TO GET WHATEVER INFORMATION IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ON THE CAMERAS TYPES ET-CETERA NOT TO AGENDIZE FOR ANY PARTICULAR MEETING. THAT'S IT.

ANYBODY OBJECT TO ANY OF THOSE CHANGES? NO. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE CHANGES? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ALL RIGHT, IF YOU COULD HAVE THOSE CHANGES REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES, THAT'D BE APPRECIATED.

WITH THAT SAID, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS THEY ARE NOW REFLECTED PENDING THAT CHANGE AND APPROVAL OF THE AFFIDAVIT POSTING? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT.

I BELIEVE WE NEED A SEPARATE APPROVAL OF THE AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING.

WELL, I WANT THOSE TWO TOGETHER, BUT WE CAN DO IT. HIS MOTION DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT.

YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE THE AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING FOR THE HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 14TH.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT.

OKAY. SO IF ONE IS APPROVED AS AMENDED AND F.2 IS APPROVED OR VICE VERSA.

ARE THERE ANY EXECUTED CALENDAR ITEMS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. THIS SECTION IS INTENDED FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR

[H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

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EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. YES, I HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD FROM GARY OST. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS A POINT OF ORDER QUESTION. I'M THE FACE BEHIND THE NAME THAT CREATED THE DOCUMENT SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0.

IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. I PREPARED THAT DOCUMENT IN RESPONSE TO THE FIRST MOTION YOU MADE ON THE 25TH TO ASK FOR PRESENTATIONS, PLURAL, ON WAYS TO MAKE THE SYSTEM IN THE LAGOON BETTER.

AT THE VERY END OF THAT HEARING, THERE WAS A PARALLEL MOTION MADE, NOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, BUT A PARALLEL MOTION TO HAVE A PRESENTATION SPECIFICALLY ON A WAVE POOL.

WELL, THAT STILL FITS WITHIN THE INITIAL MOTION.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE WITH SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0.

I'M ONLY RAISING THIS ISSUE NOW. SO WHEN THAT ITEM COMES ALONG, I'M REQUESTING EQUAL TIME TO TALK ABOUT SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0 IN ADDITION TO THE TIME YOU'RE GOING TO GRANT TO THE WAVE POOL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW, I'M JUST RAISING THAT POINT TO THINK ABOUT.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ON ZOOM OR ECOMMENTS? NO ECOMMENTS, NO PARTICIPANTS IN ZOOM.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

NO PUBLIC HEARINGS. ANY, NO ITEMS CONTINUE FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS.

SECTION L, ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION.

[L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]

YES. SO THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM ALEN SANFORD ABOUT THE WAVE POOL DESIGN CONCEPT.

SO I'LL INVITE HIM UP HERE AND HE HAS A PRESENTATION TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE AS WELL.

IF I COULD JUST HAVE IT SAY THAT IT'S A WAVE POOL DESIGN, NOT THE WAVE POOL DESIGN CONCEPT.

A WAVE POOL DESIGN CONCEPT FOR THE SEASIDE LAGOON SITE AT THE SEASIDE LAGOON SITE.

GOOD EVENING. LET ME GET UP HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL THIS. AND I THOUGHT I WOULD START WITH A LITTLE SATIRE.

ONLY WORD THAT I DIDN'T LIKE BEING CALLED WHEN I WAS GROWING UP WAS A KOOK IN THE SURFING COMMUNITY.

THIS IS ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT ARE ONLINE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S GOOD SATIRE. I HOPE TONIGHT WE TALK ABOUT AND DEBATE THE FACTS AND THE ACTUAL STATE OF THE SEASIDE LAGOON.

THERE WAS NO AI USED IN THIS PRESENTATION EITHER.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. I THINK SOME BACKGROUND IS NECESSARY.

BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONED THE MOTIVATION OF WHY WOULD I SPEAK UP.

I'M BORN IN THE SOUTH BAY. YES, I SURF. TOTAL ADMISSION.

I LOVE THE OCEAN. I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.

IT'S THE REASON I LIVE HERE. I DID LIVE IN SOUTH REDONDO FOR FIVE YEARS AND A HOMEOWNER IN NORTH REDONDO FOR NINE YEARS.

I UNDERSTAND IT. I ALSO LIVED IN HERMOSA, AND MANHATTAN.

I TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SOUTH BAY IS ONE THING APPROACH VERSUS I'M FROM HERE AND YOU'RE NOT, OR I'M FROM THERE AND YOU'RE NOT. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, I STARTED BEACHLIFE.

I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I HEARD A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS WHEN I STARTED BEACHLIFE.

I'M ALSO HAVE BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE RIVIERA VILLAGE ASSOCIATION FOR THE PAST I THINK SIX YEARS.

I JUST STEPPED DOWN. JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WHEN THINGS WERE BAD DURING COVID I WAS PART OF THE PARKLET CREATION.

WHEN THINGS WERE REAL BAD. IT WASN'T ABOUT THE MONEY, IT WAS ABOUT HELPING EVERYBODY OUT.

AND I BUILT COMPETITOR PARKLETS AND I WAS HAPPY TO DO IT.

IT WAS A COMMUNITY THING. I'M ALSO BEEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE POLICE AND FIRE FOUNDATION.

I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING IN THE FIRE, THE FIRE TO THE POLICE AND FIRE FOUNDATION.

AND I STARTED THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB. I'M PROUD OF IT.

I'M PROUD TO BE A VERY HIGH RENT PAYER DOWN THERE.

AND I PAY HIGH RENT IN THE OFF MONTHS AS WELL.

AND I WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT ANYBODY IS WELCOME AT THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB, THE NORTH BUILDING'S PUBLIC, THE SOUTH BUILDING, ANYBODY CAN COME. THERE IS A DAY RATE, RIGHT? JUST LIKE GOING TO THE MOVIES, JUST LIKE GOING ANYWHERE ELSE.

THINGS DO COST MONEY. AND THE LAST THING IS, I'M A PROUD MEMBER OF THE KING HARBOR ASSOCIATION.

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1962 THESE GUYS FIGURED OUT A WAY TO GET A HEATED SALTWATER LAGOON FOR PUBLIC USE BY KIND OF USING THE PLANT AND THE COOL, THE TURBINE WATER. VISIONARY. LET'S REMEMBER THAT WORD.

60 YEARS LATER, NO MORE HEATED WATER. IT'S OPEN FOR 30% OF THE YEAR, SEVEN HOURS A DAY.

IT'S FENCED FOR 70% OF THE YEAR. IT'S FENCED.

LET ME. I GOT TO SAY THAT TWICE. IT'S FENCED OFF FOR 70% OF THE YEAR.

ONE OF THE REASONS I CREATED THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB IS I WAS PADDLING WITH MY DAUGHTER IN 2022.

SHE'S PROBABLY FIVE THEN. CAME IN AS A DADDY.

SHE'S LIKE, DADDY, CAN WE STAY DOWN HERE? I'M HAVING SO MUCH FUN. AND I LOOKED AROUND AND I GO, THERE'S LITERALLY, LITERALLY NOWHERE TO BE OTHER THAN THE THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR THAT THE SEASIDE LAGOON IS OPEN, RIGHT? I COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT. AND I'VE BEEN STUDYING IT EVER SINCE.

YOU GOT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WHICH ARE OBVIOUS. I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S AN ECONOMIC DRAIN ON THE CITY.

I'VE PROBABLY ASKED FOR A P&L ON THE SEASIDE LAGOON NO LESS THAN TEN TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT EXISTS, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

AND WHAT I CAN DEFINITELY TELL YOU IS IT DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY ECONOMIC LIFT OR CONTRIBUTION TO THE WATERFRONT.

I DEFINE THAT ALSO BY PEOPLE USING HOTEL ROOMS, PEOPLE USING RESTAURANTS, PEOPLE GETTING BIKES, PEOPLE DOING OTHER STUFF. THE OTHER THING IS GROWTH HAS OCCURRED AROUND THE LAGOON.

THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. WITHIN 1,000-FOOT RADIUS, YOU'VE GOT 670 ROOMS AND 14 EATING ESTABLISHMENTS.

THE TOT CONTRIBUTION AND THE PERCENTAGE RENT CONTRIBUTION IS REALLY MEANINGFUL.

AND WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, AND I HEAR A LOT ABOUT REVITALIZATION AND I THINK IT'S WITHOUT SUPERSIZING.

I KNOW WHERE THAT'S FROM. IT'S FROM THE CENTER CAL DAYS. BUT THIS SEASIDE LAGOON REALLY SERVES AS THE CENTER OF, I THINK, THIS WHOLE AREA. AND SO WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE KIND OF AT A UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT THAT THE CURRENT LAGOON IS NO LONGER VIABLE.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO BUILD A BASELINE HERE.

AND IT'S CREATED A GENERATIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO DREAM BIG.

THERE'S SOME FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS THAT I DON'T EVEN THINK ANYBODY'S ARGUING ABOUT. I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE ROOM IS ARGUING ABOUT.

IT'S JUST A PUBLIC AND NOT PRIVATE. NOBODY'S ARGUING IT SHOULDN'T REMAIN LOW COST OR CONNECT WITH OCEAN CULTURE.

KEEP FAMILY FRIENDLY ACCESS. SERVE ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

AND NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE THE GRANT. NO PROJECTS SHOULD VIOLATE ANY OF THESE.

BUT THE CHALLENGE IS THE IMPORTANT PART. AND HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CRITICAL.

DID WE ASK THESE QUESTIONS? DID WE CONFIRM THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE LAND? NOT IN REAL ESTATE TERMS. LET'S BE IDEOLOGICAL FOR A MINUTE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT SOCIAL GOOD, ECONOMIC GOOD. LET'S PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER.

ARE WE INCREASING WATER ACCESS TO YEAR-ROUND? ARE WE INCREASING VISITORS? CAN WE PROVIDE MODERN DAY AMENITIES IN THIS UPDATE? CAN WE RECREATE LONG TERM ECONOMIC STABILITY? AND REALLY IMPORTANT IS CAN WE HELP REVITALIZE THE WATERFRONT? WHICH FOUR YEARS AGO, WHEN I MADE A DECISION TO INVEST SIGNIFICANTLY WITH MY TEAM IN THE AREA, I WAS HEARING ALL ABOUT, WE'RE ALL ABOUT ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION.

I FEEL A BIT FOOLISH RIGHT NOW THAT I DON'T FEEL A LOT OF THAT GOING ON.

I DON'T CALL FILLING A LEASE STRATEGY. I CALL THAT OPERATIONS.

I DON'T SEE A LOT OF STRATEGY HAPPENING. SENATOR ALLEN, HE'S THE GUY THAT GAVE THE CITY 10 MILLION.

I TALKED TO THE SENATOR AT THE TIME. THAT BILL WAS ALIVE.

THIS WAS PRETTY UNDERSTOOD. I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME BULLETS HERE.

I MEAN, THE SPECIFIC CALL OUT OF HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF LAND AND THE SENATOR'S STATEMENT, THE SPECIFIC CALL OUT OF THE INTEGRATION OF LONG-TERM ECONOMIC STABILITY, MAXIMIZING COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL RECREATION AND A FRESH VISION, FRESH VISION. LET'S JUST GET ONE THING OUT OF THE WAY.

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THE GRANT IS NOT AT RISK. YOU CAN READ IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ENCUMBRANCE DATE.

IN FACT, THE CITY HAS ALREADY EXTENDED IT ONCE.

SO. OH, I TRUST I TRUST THE SENATOR'S OFFICE.

THEY ARE THE AUTHORITY ON THIS. THEY MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING TO PUT THE GRANTS AT RISK.

SO REALLY THE DISCUSSION I THINK IS THE VIABLE ONE TONIGHT.

IS THIS A FRESH VISION OR IS THIS JUST A FIX? IF YOU FOLLOWED THE FACTS ALONG THE WAY, IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS NOW AND $2.2 MILLION.

IT'S JUST MY OPINION. JUST MY OPINION. IT FEELS LIKE A FIX WITH A DASH OF HOPE.

THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME. IT FEELS LIKE WE ALL WANT FUTURE FRESH VISION, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT. WE'VE GONE FROM AT LEAST ENTITLING MULTIPLE PHASES TO NO MORE OF THAT.

AND I THINK IF WE WERE ALL REALLY IF WE HAD TO BET ON IT.

I'M THINKING THIS IS NOT A PHASE PLAN. THIS IS A SINGLE PHASE PLAN.

SOME KEY MISSING DATA. IF I GOT HIRED FOR THIS PROJECT TO LIKE BE THE BUILDER OF FOR THE CITY.

LIKE I WOULD NEED SOME DATA, REAL DATA, LIKE SEASIDE LAGOON USE.

WHAT ARE THE CONCURRENT USERS? DOES ANYBODY KNOW HERE? AVERAGE CONCURRENT USERS. DOES ANYBODY KNOW SOFT LAUNCH USE CONCURRENT USERS? HAVE WE DONE AN OPEX STUDY ON THE COST MOVING FORWARD? LIKE DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST? AND HAVE WE DONE AN ECONOMIC STUDY ON THE OVERALL EFFECT, WHICH IS REALLY EASY TO DO, COSTS PROBABLY 1% OF THE 2.2 MILLION THAT WAS SPENT TO DO AN ECONOMIC COST EVALUATION. AND THEN I JUST HAVE TO CLEAR ONE THING UP.

WHY NOT SPEAK UP? I HAVE SPOKEN UP, I HAVE ATTENDED ALL THE AMENITIES MEETINGS.

JEFF JONES TOLD ME ABOUT THEM. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HIM.

I WENT TO HIM OUT OF THAT. I WAS ASKED TO BE ON THE SEASIDE LAGOON COMMITTEE.

I SAW THE FIRST ROUND OF NEW DESIGNS OF. THEN I WAS NOT ASKED BACK BECAUSE I WAS PRETTY CRITICAL ON THEM.

I ENGAGE WITH THE SENATOR AT THE TIME OF THE GRANT.

I'VE MET WITH COUNCILMAN. I'VE MET WITH THE MAYOR, I'VE MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND I HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH GREG KAPOVICH, THE FORMER WATERFRONT DIRECTOR, WHO I WOULD ASSUME IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY, WOULD COMMUNICATE.

THE KING HARBOR ASSOCIATION ALSO MADE ITS OPINIONS CLEAR.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS ABOUT SPEAKING UP LATE, AND I REALLY WANT TO APOLOGIZE AGAIN.

I DID IT THE LAST TIME. IF IT FEELS LATE, IF IT FEELS LATE IN THE GAME, I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT'S A 50-YEAR DECISION.

SO REAL QUICKLY, I'M NOT HERE TO SLAM PLANS. I'M NOT HERE TO SLAM CREATIVITY.

I JUST, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN DO.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS HOW DO WE KEEP THIS THING OPEN ALL YEAR ROUND.

LEAVING 20 TO 25% OPEN, LIKE PUTTING A AND THIS IS NOT MY WORDS, A RENTAL FENCE UP.

20% OF IT OPEN, CALLING IT THE GREAT LAWN WHEN IT SAND.

AND THEN LISTING ALL THESE, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD CLARIFY FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THESE ARE INCLUDED IN PHASE I, BUT THEY'RE CALLED OUT FIRE PITS PLAYGROUNDS.

AND THEN I'M ACTUALLY A CONCERT PRODUCER AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT QUICK RECONFIGURED FOR SMALLER CONCERTS MEANS.

IF I WAS TO BE ASKED WHAT THAT MEANS, IT MEANS RUNNING POWER.

SO YOU'RE NOT USING GENERATORS. NIKE JUST REACHED OUT TO USE OUR SHORE POWER, WHICH I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

BUT GENERATORS NO BUENO. BALLASTS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD FOR SMALLER EVENTS, PUT SOME BALLAST IN THE GROUND, RIGHT? EASY. CAN BOLT THE TRUSS RIGHT TO IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING IN 3,500-POUND BALLAST ALL THE TIME.

BOX OFFICE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO EVENTS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE BOX OFFICE, RIGHT? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? BATHROOM ACCESS FOR THE EVENT.

THERE'S ONE LITTLE BATHROOM THERE, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT OPEN AND HAVE EVENTS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU.

I DON'T GET IT. SO WE'RE BRINGING IN PORTABLE BATHROOMS FOR THESE EVENTS. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE READY FOR SMALLER CONCERTS. I DO THEM, I KNOW THEM.

THE OTHER THING, AND AGAIN, JUST AN OPINION AND I'M TELLING YOU THIS STUFF BECAUSE THIS WENT INTO ME THINKING ABOUT THE SOLUTIONS.

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THE IDEA THAT BOB WANTS TO SUP. SO HE'S GOING TO DRIVE AROUND THE LAGOON, HE'S GOING TO DROP HIS SUP.

HE'S GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. HE'S GOING TO GO PARK WAY.

HE'S GOING TO GO THAT PARKING KIOSK. THEN HE'S GOING TO COME BACK AND WALK ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SUP AND HOPE HIS SUP STILL THERE.

REALLY? THEN WHEN HE GETS OUT HE'S GOING TO LEAVE HIS SUP THERE AGAIN.

MAYBE SUNSET. HE HAD IT SO IT'S ALMOST GETTING DARK.

HE'S GOING TO GO GET IN HIS CAR WET DRIVE ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND.

STOP AND LOAD HIS SUP AND THEN LEAVE. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TOTALLY THOUGHT OUT.

THE OTHER THING I'LL TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY IS I WENT DOWN THERE BECAUSE I, I WANT TO USE THESE THINGS SO I UNDERSTAND THEM BETTER.

I TEND TO STAY AWAY DOWN THERE WITH MY DAUGHTERS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DANGER DOWN THERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERS ME FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW IS PROPELLERS HAVE BECOME ELECTRICAL.

OKAY. WHEN I WAS DOWN THERE WITH MY 20-MONTH-OLD AND MY EIGHT-YEAR-OLD PADDLING, THERE WAS NO LESS THAN SEVEN PROPELLERS IN THAT WATER AT THE SAME TIME.

NEVER, EVER AM I GOING DOWN THERE WITH MY DAUGHTERS AGAIN.

IT'S NOT FOR THAT. AT LEAST I DON'T THINK SO.

AND TO ME, IT'S A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN FOR A KID.

AT VERY LEAST, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO DRIVE YOUR CAR ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET THERE. SO FOR ME, THE CITY PLAN JUST DIDN'T ANSWER THE CORE STUFF.

AND I DON'T LIKE I'M NOT GETTING PAID. I'M BUSY.

THIS ISN'T LIKE PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT WHAT I WANT TO PUT TOGETHER, BUT IT DIDN'T SOLVE FOR WATER ACCESS.

IT DOESN'T INCREASE OVERALL ACCESS. IT DOESN'T INCREASE VISITORS.

WHEN I READ IN THE STAFF REPORT LAST TIME THAT THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED INCREASE AND NO ANTICIPATED PARKING INCREASE.

SCRATCHING MY HEAD. DOESN'T PROVIDE MODERN DAY AMENITIES.

THERE'S AN ARGUMENT IT REDUCES THEM. IT DOESN'T REDUCE THE ECONOMIC DRAIN ON THE CITY.

AND IT SURE DOESN'T REVITALIZE THE WATERFRONT.

AND SO IT FEELS JUST LIKE A MINIMALLY VIABLE PLAN.

WHAT WE CALL MVP'S. OKAY. IT DOES SOLVE FOR THE FINES.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR, IT DOES HAVE A USE. IT SOLVES FOR THE FINES.

IT PUTS THAT TO BED DONE. IT FEELS LIKE A SINGLE PHASE PLAN.

IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD EVEN USE THE WORD PHASE.

JUST FEELS LIKE A PLAN. AND THEN THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE LAST MEETING.

THERE WAS SOME SEEMS LIKE SOME TECHNICAL REDUCTION OF AMENITIES GOING FROM 9-FOOT TO 5-FOOT, SAYING IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT REALLY IT'S MORE OF A MONEY THING BECAUSE DEWATERING CAN MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE SALTWATER VERSUS FRESHWATER THING, BUT THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET THE CHALLENGES. AND MY DAD ALWAYS TOLD ME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK S IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY NO TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PLAN, YOU BETTER HAVE A SOLUTION. YOU BET. YOU BETTER HAVE A BETTER WAY OF DOING IT.

OKAY. AND SO I CAME UP WITH A FEASIBLE PLAN. IT'S NOT THE PLAN.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SOLUTION. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S AN IDEA, NOT THE IDEA.

OKAY. AND IT HAS A SURF POOL AMENITY TO IT. IT'S AN OCEAN PARK.

AND LET ME BE CLEAR, THE VISION, I THINK, AND FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS NEGATIVE ON THE SURF PARK RIGHT NOW, OR THE SURF POOL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES AND YOU IMAGINE A TOWN SQUARE OF OCEAN LOVING PEOPLE THAT CAN GO DOWN THERE FROM MORNING TO NIGHT, FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET, AND ENJOY THAT OCEAN AND BE NEXT TO THAT OCEAN AND DO EVERY ACTIVITY YOU COULD IMAGINE AROUND THAT OCEAN.

THEY CAN READ A BOOK, THEY CAN SURF, THEY CAN WADE IN THE WATER, THEY CAN TAKE US UP AND GO PADDLING.

THEY CAN LEARN ABOUT SURFING, THEY CAN EAT, THEY CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC, THEY CAN BARBECUE ON REAL BARBECUES.

THEY COULD DO ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE LOVE ABOUT THE OCEAN.

THAT'S THE VISION FOR ME. IT'S NOT CREATING A SURF PARK.

WHAT THE SURF PARK AND THE SURF POOL DOES IS IT CREATES ECONOMICS.

OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO REALLY QUICKLY GO THROUGH THESE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU, BUT WELCOME FACILITY.

IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE BATHROOMS AND LOCKERS. TOTALLY OPPOSED TO WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID ONLINE.

THE MEISTRELLS AND BODY GLOVE, THE BROTHERS, THOSE GUYS ARE ABSOLUTE ROYALTY OF OUR CULTURE.

THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ABOUT GETTING RID OF THAT STATUE.

I WOULD TRY TO INCREASE THAT TRIBUTE TO THEM.

LIVE MUSIC. WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT LIVE MUSIC, LIVE MUSIC PROGRAMING.

THERE SHOULD BE LIVE MUSIC EVERY DAY THERE. THE SURF CLUB, IT'S A PUBLIC RESTAURANT.

WHY WOULDN'T PEOPLE GO THERE TO EAT IF THEY'RE DOWN THERE?

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IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT SOMETIMES, BUT I WOULD SURE HOPE THAT THE CITY WANTS US TO SUCCEED AS A PUBLIC RESTAURANT.

VOLLEYBALL. FAMILY SWIM LAGOON WITH ZERO DEPTH ENTRY, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND.

HAVING A PUBLIC BOARDWALK. CULINARY AREAS. YOU GUYS, YOU GET THE, YOU GET THE GIST.

THE LAST PART IS A ZERO-DEPTH ENTRY, WHICH I THINK IS JUST AN ABSOLUTE NO BRAINER.

AND YES, AT LATE AT NIGHT, THERE WOULD BE A PARTIAL FENCE THAT CLOSES IT CLOSES UP THE PARK, BUT THE REST OF THE DAY, THAT THING SHOULD BE OPEN.

PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARK SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THE OCEAN.

IF YOU'RE NOT INSIDE THE PARK, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT AND GO TO THE OCEAN.

I THINK A HUGE AMENITY UPGRADE. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, OH, YOU'RE MAKING THE LAGOON SMALLER.

THIS IS WHERE DATA WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. SO I TOOK A PICTURE ON WHAT EVERYBODY HAS COMMONLY SAID IS THE PEAK DAY, JULY 4TH, IT'S 1:24 P.M. THERE'S 55 PEOPLE IN A 44,000 SQUARE FOOT LAGOON.

I DON'T HAVE TO DO THE MATH. IT'S ABOUT ONE PER.

I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T EVEN DO THAT MATH. ONE PER 1,000.

SO, I STARTED THINKING. I'M LIKE, OKAY, LIKE IF NOBODY'S USING THAT, WHY WOULDN'T YOU INCREASE THE UTILIZATION OF THE REST OF THE PARK, RIGHT? WHY WOULDN'T YOU DECREASE OPEX EXPENSES FOR WHEN, LIKE NOBODY'S USING IT ANYWAY? AND IF WE'RE GOING TO REDESIGN IT, LET'S SHOOT REALLY HIGH.

LET'S SHOOT FOR LIKE 5X OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT NOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO GET IT'S GOING TO GET MORE POPULAR, RIGHT? SO THEN I WENT INTO THE CALIFORNIA HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE AND STARTED LOOKING AT TYPICAL PER SQUARE FOOT ALLOWANCES FOR LAGOONS AND POOLS, RIGHT? INTERESTING TO NOTE, THERE'S NO TABLE FOR LAGOON.

THIS IS FOR POOLS. THEIR TYPICAL CODE WOULD BE ORDINARY ONE FOR 20.

BASED ON THE CURRENT A. BASED ON CALIFORNIA HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE FOR POOLS AND TO BE SPECIFIC THIS IS UNDER 20,000FT².

A 44,000 SQUARE FOOT IF YOU DID THE SAME MATH IN SPACIOUS 1 FOR 40 WOULD ACCOMMODATE 1,100 PEOPLE.

OKAY. I'M PRETTY SURE I WILL BET. I'LL BET, I'LL BET MY DAUGHTER'S.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I BET I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY THAT. I JUST GUARANTEE YOU THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN MORE THAN, I WOULD SAY, MAYBE 100, 150 PEOPLE IN THAT LAGOON AT ONE TIME CONCURRENTLY.

OKAY, SO IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT THE TOTAL VISITORSHIP FOR THE YEAR WAS 49,000 OR 500 FOR THE DAY.

IF YOU DIVIDE THAT OVER THE YEAR, IT'S ONLY 134 AVERAGE PER DAY.

BUT THAT'S NOT CONCURRENT, RIGHT? SO THE REASON THAT I REDUCED IT IN THIS DRAWING WAS JUST SIMPLY IT'S, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S NECESSARY. IF IT'S DEEMED NECESSARY IF THE CITY HAS DATA, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.

AND YOU COULD INCREASE, AS IT CLEARLY SAYS THERE, YOU COULD INCREASE THE FAMILY SWIM LAGOON.

YOU COULD DECREASE THE SURF LAGOON, RIGHT? IT'S A STUDY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT REAL DATA NEEDS TO BE ACCESSED.

THE OTHER THING IS, WHY NOT TAKE THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THE PARK? THAT TURNAROUND WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS NOT USEFUL.

AND THE WHOLE PARKING DISCUSSION, WHICH I'LL GET TO THIS DESIGN TAKES INTO SOME OF THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT? WHICH PEOPLE SAY LOSE PARKING. NO WAY.

I CAN TELL YOU, WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM.

EVEN BY COASTAL COMMISSION STANDARDS, THIS IS A CITY REPORT.

WE'RE OVER PARKED BY 362 PARKING SPACES, 362.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M DOWN THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.

PROBABLY 350 DAYS OUT OF 365 DAYS. I THINK I'VE SEEN THE PARKING LOT FULL, MAYBE FIVE, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM. WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM WHEN NIKE TAKES THE WHOLE PARKING LOT, OR WHEN BEACHSIDE TAKES THE WHOLE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS SEPARATE DISCUSSION.

WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM IN NORMAL BUSINESS.

QUICK AMENITIES COMPARISON. BUT I'M GOING TO SPARE YOU.

I JUST THINK THERE'S A TON OF AMENITIES THAT ARE MISSING THAT COULD BE EXERCISED.

AND PART OF THIS IS A CREATION OF ECONOMICS CREATES A CREATION OF AMENITIES.

IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE ARITHMETIC. PUBLIC ACCESS.

SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF COMPARING CURRENT USE TO THE CITY'S PROPOSED PLAN TO THE OCEAN PARK PLAN.

UNDER EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU WOULD WANT TO INCREASE EVERYTHING AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC ACCESS, INCLUDING TOTAL PARK SIZE, WATER ATTRACTION, SIZE, DAILY OPERATING HOURS, EVEN IF THERE, YOU KNOW, IS THE CITY GOING TO OPERATE FROM 10 TO 5 TO WHEN THEY KEEP 20% OF THE PARK OPEN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO STAFF IT?

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TO 10 P.M.. WE ANTICIPATE A CONSERVATIVE ADDITION OF 200% OF PEOPLE USING THIS A DAY.

LIKE LET ME BE CLEAR, IF THE GOAL IS NOT TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE AREA AND THE GOAL IS NOT TO FILL THE PARKING LOT.

BAD PLAN. RIGHT? THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE VISITORSHIP, WHICH I BELIEVE ALL OF THE HOTELS, ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ECSTATIC OVER. WATER ATTRACTION MEASURED IN HOURS, ABOUT 800%.

YOU KNOW, IT'S OPEN 95 DAYS A YEAR TO BE OPEN 365 DAYS A YEAR.

PERCENT OF LAND OPEN IN THE OFF SEASON, 20% VERSUS 100%.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR THE ARGUMENTS THAT THIS PLAN REDUCES ACCESS WHEN IT INCREASES ACCESS YEAR-ROUND.

I DON'T GET THE LOGICAL ARGUMENT. SOME ECONOMICS.

PUBLIC ENTRY FEE IS NOT CHANGING. NOBODY SAID IT WAS GOING TO CHANGE.

IT WOULD NEVER CHANGE. THE WHOLE PARK WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET INTO AT THE SAME RATE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY GOTTEN INTO.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN ENDOWMENT FEE. I THINK SOME PEOPLE SHOULD GET IN FOR FREE, RIGHT? IT'S A PARK, YOU KNOW. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOME AN ENDOWMENT SET UP WHERE CERTAIN PEOPLE, IF THEY SUBMIT, THEY GET THEY GET IN FOR FREE. ANNUAL CITY REVENUE.

IF I WERE THE CITY, I WOULD NEGOTIATE A REVENUE SHARE OF THIS THING, RIGHT? I'M NOT. IF I WAS, I WOULD. ANNUAL EXPENSES. IF I WAS THE CITY, I'D DO A CONCESSION AGREEMENT AND I'D HAVE THE CITY BEAR NO EXPENSE.

IF THIS WORKED AND THE OCCUPANCY LIFT IN HOTELS WAS 10 TO 15%.

THAT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION A TOT RESTAURANTS. IF ALL THE RESTAURANTS AROUND THERE GET PEOPLE GOING OUT TO EAT BEFORE THEY SURF, AFTER THEY SURF. IT'S ALL PERCENTAGE RENT CITY PARTICIPATES.

THE CITY ECONOMIC FORECAST CHANGE IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT IF YOU DO IF YOU INTRODUCE ECONOMICS.

SURFING. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.

IT'S EARLY, BUT WE HAVE REAL MODELS. I'VE TALKED TO PERSONALLY THE THREE MAJOR MANUFACTURERS, THE PRESIDENTS OR THE CEO OF ALL THREE OF THEM.

THIS IS WHERE MOST OF THIS DATA IS FROM. THE SIZE OF THE SURFING POOL CAN RANGE FROM 45 TO 60,000.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY 100% TOPOGRAPHICALLY FEASIBLE TO FIT A POOL IN THERE.

NUVIS DID A, WAS ASKED TO DO AN ASSESSMENT. THEY SAID YOU COULDN'T.

I SAW THAT ASSESSMENT. THAT ASSESSMENT IS FLAT OUT INCORRECT.

THE NET SIZE WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE IF YOU INCREASE THE PARK SIZE.

SO THE NET OVERALL INCREASE WOULD BE OR REDUCTION WOULD BE MUCH LESS.

THERE'S ABOUT 15 TO 25 INTERMEDIATE ADVANCED SURFERS AN HOUR, ALONG WITH BEGINNER SURFERS 10 TO 15.

TOTAL WAVES IN AN HOUR 600. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2 MILLION WAVES RIDDEN A YEAR.

EVERYBODY ONLINE IS HAMMERING. HOW MANY OF THOSE WAVES ARE FREE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF I WAS THE CITY, I WOULD NEGOTIATE AS HIGH OF A NUMBER AS I COULD IN AN RFP.

THE DECIBEL LEVELS, IT'S GOING TO BE TOO BUSY.

IT'S 45DB. IT CAN BE REDUCED WITH FURTHER COST.

THE DECIBEL OF THE WAVES ARE 65DB. 65DB IS LIKE AMBIENT TRAFFIC.

JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, BEACHLIFE OPERATES AT 101DB, RIGHT? AND THAT'S LIKE IN FRONT OF THE STAGE BY THE END OF BEACH LIFE.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER BEEN THERE. WE USE DECIBEL TRACKING.

YOU ALMOST CANNOT HEAR THE CONCERT WHEN YOU LEAVE WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF THERE'S CLOUDS, WE GET SOME PUSH.

IDEATION ONLY. BUT THIS IDEA. RIGHT? LET'S CHALLENGE THE IDEA.

EARLY MORNING. WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO OPERATE IT.

EARLY MORNING WE MIGHT MAKE THE POOL AVAILABLE FOR SOME SWIMMING OR FOR DIVING FOR CROSS USE, RIGHT? IF I WAS THE CITY, I MIGHT NEGOTIATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.

IS IT HEATED? NO. BUT IS IT A BIG THING THAT CAN YOU CAN SWIM IN AND THAT IS DEEPER THAN FIVE FEET, YOU COULD. YEAH, YOU COULD DO THAT. YOU COULD NEGOTIATE THAT.

KIDS SURF TEAMS. WE TALKED TO THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS ECSTATIC.

CAN YOU IMAGINE REDONDO UNION AND MIRA COSTA AND THOSE SCHOOLS BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND TRAIN THEIR SURFERS, RIGHT? I WAS ON THE SURF TEAM. AND HERE'S ANOTHER LIKE THE SURF'S NOT THAT GOOD IN THE SOUTH BAY IF YOU'RE NOT A SURFER.

SO MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE SURFING 1-TO-2-FOOT SLOP.

THIS WOULD BE A HUGE, HUGE AMENITY FOR A HIGH SCHOOL KID.

HOURLY SLOTS TO LOCAL PROGRAMS. ALL CAN BE NEGOTIATED.

ALL I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS PAINT A PICTURE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE AND THAT IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.

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ONE NIGHT, RIGHT AFTER I LEFT, ALL OF OUR COPPER WAS STOLEN.

LIKE THE BIG COPPER. THE STUFF WHERE YOU TOUCH IT, YOU DIE.

ALL OF IT WAS RIPPED OUT. $30,000 OF COPPER. THERE'S NO SECURITY DOWN THERE.

EVEN THOUGH THEY SAY THERE IS. IT'S NOT A GREAT PLACE TO BE LATE AT NIGHT.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO OUT THERE AT 1030 AT NIGHT.

I'LL MEET YOU OUT THERE. IT'S NOT THAT SAFE. THERE'S SO MUCH WE CAN DO DOWN THERE.

I'M ON THE SAFETY. WHAT AM I, JEFF? I'M THE SAFETY GUY ON THE KING HARBOR ASSOCIATION, BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THERE AT NIGHT AND NOT BE AFRAID.

THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO DOWN THERE. THERE'S SO MUCH THAT THE CITY COULD BENEFIT WITH SOME EXTRA MONEY IN THEIR HANDS.

IS THIS FEASIBLE? I HAD TWO SEPARATE GUYS LOOK AT THE GEOLOGY REPORTS THAT WERE SENT BY THE CITY.

TWO SEPARATE GUYS THAT ONE OF THEM IS A BASICALLY $1 BILLION CONSTRUCTION FIRM THAT DOES THIS PRETTY CONSISTENTLY.

THIS WILL BE IN THE REPORT. NONE OF THEM SEE ANYTHING CRAZY ABOUT THE GEOLOGY ON THE SITE.

PRETTY STANDARD STUFF FOR WHAT THEY DO. MEASURE C DOES IT COMPLY? I'VE REALIZED THAT MEASURE C AS EMPHATICALLY STATED, IT'S VERY OPEN TO THE WAY YOU USE WORDS.

I BELIEVE IT COMPLETELY COMPLIES. FIVE YEARS AGO THERE WAS TALK ABOUT REDUCING THE LAGOON AND PUTTING SPLASH PADS IN, RIGHT? SO EVERYBODY HAS CONTEMPLATED DIFFERENT WATER AND OCEAN USES.

THE MAIN PIECE OF MEASURE C IS THAT YOU CAN'T REDUCE THE WATER FEATURE.

THIS DOESN'T, I BELIEVE. IT'S NOT MY DECISION.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A THIRD PARTY DECISION, BUT I BELIEVE THIS DOES COMPLY WITH MEASURE C.

AND THEN THE HARD TRUTH. TRUTH IS THAT EVERYBODY THINKS THIS PROJECT IS A 30 MILLION PROJECT, $30 MILLION PROJECT. OKAY. THAT'S HOW THE CITY STARTED OUT.

EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. EVERYBODY THINKS IT SHOULD BE A FRESH VISION, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE MONEY TO DO IT.

SO HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? OKAY. THE ALTERNATIVE IS A CONCESSION AGREEMENT.

PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. IT'S PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT.

THERE'S NO OVERHEAD TO THE CITY. THERE'S DIRECT AND INDIRECT REVENUE.

THERE'S WHAT I WANT THE MOST, WHICH IS REVITALIZATION AND MODERNIZATION OF THE WATERFRONT.

FOR BEING A WATERFRONT IN LOS ANGELES IN SOME OF THE BEST, MOST BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY THAT EXISTS IT'S CRAZY TO THINK THAT THIS IS NOT ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL RIGHT NOW. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT. YOU CAN COMPLETELY MAINTAIN YOUR FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS.

AND THE LAST ONE IS THIS. WHAT IF THEY GO BANKRUPT ARGUMENT? I HESITATED TO ANSWER TO A HYPOTHETICAL RANDOM QUESTION, BUT WHAT IF THIS IF SOMEBODY BUILT THIS THING, WHAT IF SOMEBODY DROPPED $35 MILLION INTO CITY PROPERTY AND CREATED SOMETHING BITCHIN' AND THEN WENT BANKRUPT? PRETTY SURE THERE'S A LINE OF BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO TAKE THAT OVER AND INVEST EVEN MORE MONEY.

THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE RISK EVEN ON A HYPOTHETICAL.

THIS ISN'T LIKE YOU SAID, CHAIRMAN OR CHAIRPERSON.

THIS ISN'T THE DECISION. THIS ISN'T THE PROPOSAL.

THIS IS A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE. THIS DECISION IS GOING TO LAST 50 YEARS, IT'S GOING TO LAST 50 YEARS.

I HOPE IF THE DECISION ARE MADE OR WHATEVER DECISION MADE, I HOPE THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR IT PUT THEIR NAME ON THE BUILDINGS AND IN 15 OR 20 YEARS ARE PROUD OF WHAT THEY DID. AND I HOPE THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT A DASH.

I HOPE, I HOPE WE REALLY THINK THROUGH THIS BECAUSE REDONDO BEACH RIGHT NOW HAS AN OPPORTUNITY.

IT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP ITS CULTURE, TO KEEP ITS COMMUNITY, BUT TO REIMAGINE ITSELF, TO BECOME MORE ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE AND TO USE THAT PROPERTY HOW I BELIEVE IT WAS INTENDED, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND I APPRECIATE THE EARS.

THANK YOU. I CAN TELL THAT THIS TOOK A LOT OF TIME.

I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT HERE AND SPEAKING AND PUTTING YOUR NECK OUT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID SOME, SOME THINGS ABOUT YOU DIRECTLY. SO WE'LL START THAT WITH ROGERS.

NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. SORRY. NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I LIKED IT A LOT.

SO IT'S INTERESTING. I HOW I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, YOU DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ISSUES?

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YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S INVESTING, I DON'T KNOW, 8 MILLION, MAYBE 12 MILLION OR SOMETHING IN THERE.

BUT STILL, YOU'RE STILL SEEING A PRIVATE CORPORATION COMING IN AND INVESTING A BOATLOAD OF MONEY.

YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE AS FAR AS FINDING SOMEONE THAT'S WILLING TO STEP, THAT THE NUMBERS WORK AS FAR AS CHARGING PEOPLE, WHATEVER IT WAS, WAS 100, $150 AN HOUR TO RUN TO USE THIS.

I DON'T, I WOULD IMAGINE A WORLD IN WHICH THE CITY WOULD NOT SOLE SOURCE THIS.

THEY'D RFP IT, THEY'D SET UP A BUNCH OF PARAMETERS.

IF THE PARAMETERS ARE TOO MANY OR TOO MUCH, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET LESS PEOPLE INTERESTED.

SO IT WOULD BE FINDING THE RIGHT PARAMETERS FOR BUSINESS TO COME IN AND CREATE AN ROI ON A LONG-TERM LEVEL BASED ON THE INVESTMENT.

BUT THE CAPITAL MARKET RIGHT THERE IS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

I THINK IT WOULD BE SMART OF THE CITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR PUSHING ON DREAMING BIGGER.

YOU SAW FROM THE SPECIAL MEETING WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT NONE OF US APPROVED THE DEVIATIONS THAT THE CITY HAD TAKEN IN THE DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO. FOR MUCH THE SAME REASONS THAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT TODAY.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WAVE POOL. IS IT KIND OF LIKE THE SURF POOL? IS IT KIND OF LIKE A WAVE POOL WHERE YOU TURN THE WAVES OFF AND THEN IT'S JUST KIND OF A BIG SWIMMING AREA IF YOU CHOSE TO PROGRAM IT IN THAT WAY? YEAH. I MEAN, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY I WAS ASKED BY A CERTAIN CITY STAFF MEMBER OF, HEY, LET US DO, LET US BUILD THIS THING AND THEN YOU COULD COME IN LATER AND ADD WAVE POOL MACHINERY, OCEAN DYNAMICS AND WAVE DYNAMICS WORK OFF OF THE BOTTOM CONTOUR, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY BUILT THE SAME WAY, RIGHT? SO IT'S REALLY, ON ONE HAND, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE LAGOON THAT'S BEING BUILT.

IT'S CONCRETE BOTTOM LAGOON. AND THEN THE KIND OF LENGTH, WIDTH AND DEPTH AND CONTOUR WOULD AFFECT THE WAVES.

OKAY. SO THE BOTTOM'S NOT FLAT? THE BOTTOM. HELP WITH THE WAVE GENERATION.

OKAY. YEAH. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD A SECOND REEF, THERE WOULD BE A.

IT WOULD GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO DISSIPATE THE ENERGY AND THEN UP TO COLLECT THE ENERGY AGAIN.

OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND FOR THAT SLIDE WHERE YOU BROUGHT OUT LAP SWIMMING, DIVING, THAT KIND OF THING. YEAH. IT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE CLEAR IS IT'S A BIG POOL AND IT CAN ACCOMMODATE OTHER USES.

THOSE OTHER USES DON'T CREATE ECONOMICS. SURE.

RIGHT. BUT IF THERE WAS SHOULDER PROGRAMING OR IF THE CITY WAS DECIDED TO DEFINE THAT IN AN RFP OR IN A PARTNERSHIP DEMAND, THE CITY COULD DO THAT. AND AT SOME POINT, IF THE CITY STARTED AT 80% OF THE TIME, IT'S GOT TO BE FREE. WELL, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AND THEN IT'S FINDING THE SWEET SPOT OF THE ECONOMICS THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORK.

RIGHT. IN THIS LAYOUT THAT YOU PRESENTED TONIGHT, DO YOU KNOW HOW THE CAPACITY OF THE WHOLE PARK WOULD COMPARE TO THE CAPACITY TODAY AS FAR AS, LIKE IN YOUR IN THAT JULY 4TH PICTURE, 55 PEOPLE IN THE WATER. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 100 MORE HANGING AROUND, BUT THE CAPACITY FOR JUST PEOPLE BEING ON SITE, DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT WOULD COMPARE? ARE YOU ASKING BETWEEN THE FIRE CAPACITY OR THE, WHAT WE THINK HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THERE UTILIZING THE AMENITY? NOT THE LATTER. CAPACITY. YEAH. THE TOTAL CAPACITY THAT OF PEOPLE JUST LIKE GOING DOWN FOR THE DAY AND HANGING OUT IN THE, THE LAGOON PART AND THE SAND AREA AND ALL THE COMMON AREAS.

YEAH. OKAY. I'LL ANSWER BOTH. THE TOTAL FIRE CAPACITY IS MASSIVE.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM IN EITHER CONFIGURATION.

IF YOU'RE ASKING ME HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE DO I THINK WOULD COME DOWN ON A DAILY BASIS TO UTILIZE IT, RIGHT? YEAH. KIND OF SOME OF THE ESTIMATES ARE ABOUT 400 TO 500 A DAY.

RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THIS IS A THIS IS AN AVERAGE DAY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF YOU'RE CLOSED OR NOT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE CURRENT DATA, THE CITY HAS A USERSHIP OF 134 AVERAGE PER DAY ACROSS THE WHOLE YEAR.

IS IT CLOSED NINE MONTHS, RIGHT? THIS WOULD BE AN AVERAGE USERSHIP OF OVER 400 A DAY, RIGHT?

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SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT IDEA TONIGHT, VISUALLY, ONE MIGHT SAY, OH, THERE'S JUST LESS AREA TO HANG OUT.

I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT RATIO IS OF. SO I'VE KEPT DATA ON THE LAGOON, AND THE REASON THAT I DESIGNED IT AS SO WAS TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A KIND OF LIKE A PLUS OR -40 TO 50% OF WHAT EXISTS OUT THERE NOW.

LIKE I SHOWED YOU JULY 4TH. YEAH, PRETTY. IT'S PRETTY EASY WHEN YOU'RE JUST COUNTING PEOPLE ON A CLICKER, RIGHT? IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS CREATED SUCH AN AMAZING OUTCOME.

YEAH, IT COULD GET BUSIER, BUT THAT WOULD BE MANY MORE PEOPLE COMING IN.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT'S A, I IMAGINE THAT'S A NET GAIN.

RIGHT. SO IT'S A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S A MOVING TARGET.

IF YOU SAY WILL IT DISPLACE THE PEOPLE USING IT TODAY? I WOULD SAY EMPHATICALLY NO. OKAY. THANKS. FORGIVE ME IF YOU MENTIONED THIS.

DOES YOUR PROPOSED PLAN CONTEMPLATE THIS AS FRESH WATER OR SALT? IT WOULD BE. I WOULD BE MISEDUCATED TO SPEAK COMPLETELY ON IT.

MY INTENTION AND MY GOAL WOULD BE SALT WATER.

I THIS IS THE ONE PIECE OF THE FEASIBILITY. I KNOW BOTH ARE FEASIBLE, BUT IT'S A QUESTION OF ECONOMICS.

I HAVE NOT DONE ENOUGH STUDY ON THE SALT WATER AND THE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS TO TELL YOU WHETHER IT WOULD BE SO.

OKAY, BECAUSE ONE OF ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE VOTED TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE LAST MONTHS PROPOSED PLAN PHASE ONE WAS BECAUSE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY VOTED ON PHASE ONE AND THE CITY COUNCIL DID AS WELL, IT WAS CONTEMPLATED AS SALT WATER. SO ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST ONE WAS THAT WE WERE HOPING THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF SALT WATER COMPONENT. OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST A POOL SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE POTENTIALLY.

IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT CAN BE BOTH. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

WELL, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF SPLITTING THE POOLS ALSO IS ONE COULD BE FRESH, ONE COULD BE SALT.

THE WADING POOL COULD BE SALT. THE SURF COULD BE FRESH.

RIGHT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE SAME ACROSS BOTH.

SURE. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF I'LL CALL IT CHATTER ABOUT THE CITY LOSING THIS GRANT.

AND WE DISCUSSED IT AT THE SPECIAL MEETING LAST MONTH.

AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE SENATOR'S OFFICE.

I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, WHEN WAS THAT CONVERSATION? AND WELL, FIRST I'LL ASK THAT. WHEN WAS THE CONVERSATION? IT WAS SEVERAL DAYS AGO. OKAY. SO THE INFORMATION IS RELATIVELY FRESH.

YES, I WAS GENUINELY I MEAN, THAT'S A HUGE PIECE OF CALCULUS IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, RIGHT? $8 MILLION OF CALCULUS. SO IF BY SPEAKING UP, I PUT THE CITY AT RISK OF LOSING $8 MILLION, I WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE MY TACT ACCORDINGLY. I WOULD PROBABLY CALL THAT OUT AS A SIGNIFICANT RISK.

SO I REACHED OUT OF MY OWN ACCORD TO THE SENATOR'S OFFICE, AND I ASKED THEM TO CLARIFY IT.

IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SENATOR'S OFFICE, WAS IT MADE? WAS IT MADE AWARE AND TO ANY REGARD THAT THE CITY WITH ITS PROPOSED PHASE ONE THAT WE HEARD LAST TIME WOULD BE AWARDED THE FULL GRANT. IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO SOMETHING I'M NOT SUPER EDUCATED ON, BUT THE 2050 LEVELS AND WHETHER OR NOT THE GRANT WOULD BE VALID IF THE CURRENT PLAN WAS NOT DESIGNED TO THOSE LEVELS.

MY UNEDUCATED PERSPECTIVE, BUT I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER WOULD BE THAT THE GRANT WOULD NOT BE VALID.

IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT TO 2050 STANDARDS. BUT I'M SPEAKING OVER MY SKIS RIGHT NOW.

SURE. THAT'S A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE. I ASKED BECAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER POINT OF CONTENTION THAT WE HAD LAST END OF LAST MONTH.

AND ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, WHERE DID I GET THAT YOU SORT OF GLAZED OVER THE $100 TO $150 AN HOUR. THAT'S PROBABLY THE HARDEST PIECE OF YOUR PLAN FOR MOST PEOPLE TO SWALLOW.

THE HOURLY CHARGE, WHERE DID THAT AMOUNT COME FROM?

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WITHOUT PAYING FOR THE WAVE. THERE IS NO PARK.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN $8 MILLION FIX. THERE'S NO MORE MONEY COMING.

THAT FEE IS KIND OF THE MARKET RATE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE SEEING SURF PARKS POP UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I HAPPEN TO BE IN LIKE A PERSONAL EXPERT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF I'M A SURFER.

VALUE PROPOSITION. IT'S HOW I'VE CREATED ALL MY BUSINESSES IN THE LAST 25 YEARS IS I'VE LOOKED AT MYSELF.

BEACH LIFE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, RIGHT? IT WAS BUILT ON ME NOT WANTING TO GO TO THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL.

HOW MUCH CAN I PAY TO NOT GO TO THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL? OKAY, SAME THING HERE. THERE I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO COST $100, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MARKET RATE. BUT ONE THING IS EVERY DAY WE SPEND MONEY ON ENTERTAINMENT, WE GO TO THE MOVIES WE GO TO. I DON'T GO TO TOP GOLF, BUT PEOPLE GO TO TOPGOLF.

PEOPLE SPEND MONEY ON I WENT TO THE BATTING CAGES. MY DAUGHTER'S PLAYING SOFTBALL NOW. IT WAS LIKE 50 BUCKS FOR AN HOUR.

FOR HALF AN HOUR, RIGHT? LIKE, WE ARE IN A HYPER INFLATED ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, AND WE JUST GOT TO CALL IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

THE VALUE PROPOSITION AND THE PRICE WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE VALUE PROPOSITION.

AND HOW WOULD IT WORK THEN PEOPLE PAY THEIR $10 TO GET INTO THE ACTUAL FACILITY IN THE ACTUAL PARK.

AND THEN THEY GET LIKE A BRACELET OR A WRISTBAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THAT WAY THEY WOULD SHOW TO THE INDIVIDUAL WORKING THE WAVES.

I WILL ADMIT I AM I WENT SURFING ONCE. IT DID NOT TAKE.

SO I SCUBA DIVE. THAT'S MY ASSOCIATION WITH THE WATER.

NOT MUCH DIVING HERE, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I MEAN, IN YOUR PLAN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SOME OTHER TIME.

SO HOW DOES IT WORK? THEY SHOW THE BRACELET TO GET IN, AND THERE'S CURRENTLY A PLETHORA OF DIFFERENT OPERATING PRACTICES OUT THERE. SOME ARE BRACELET, SOME ARE EXCUSE ME, SOME ARE LIKE QUEUES THAT YOU JUMP IN THE WATER AND CATCH THE WAVE, RIGHT? AND IT'S JUST THE WAVE KEEPS GOING.

SOME ARE SURF CAMPS WHERE YOU'RE OUT THERE WITH AN INSTRUCTOR.

SOME ARE WITH PALLET, WITH SURFBOARD OR WITH WETSUIT OR WITHOUT WETSUIT.

THERE'S A TON OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT BASICALLY THE OVERALL PREMISE IS THAT THE WAVE IS YOUR WAVE, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE PAYING A FEE FOR THAT WAVE.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU WERE TO DIVIDE THAT DOWN, THE $100 IS ABOUT 12 WAVES AN HOUR, WHICH IS A TON OF WAVES FOR A SURFER.

YOU'RE EXHAUSTED BY THE END. SO IF YOU DO THAT MATH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, EIGHT BUCKS A WAVE.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. COULD BE HALF HOUR, COULD BE AN HOUR.

I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THE SURF PARK AND THE SURF WAVE INDUSTRY IS, HAS JUST REACHED KIND OF THE CAPACITY WHERE IT'S GOING TO START TO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MOORE'S LAW. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S THE CURRENT VALUE OF AN HOUR. THANK YOU.

YEAH. YEAH, I JUST ONE QUESTION JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT ON THE $100, $150 AN HOUR CHARGE IS THE VISION THAT THAT WOULD GO TO THE PRIVATE ENTITY WITH THE CITY GETTING A CUT.

AGAIN, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING. WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS THE CITY IS I WOULD OFFLOAD THIS OPERATION TO A PROFESSIONAL OUTFIT. I WOULD HAVE THEM CREATE AS MUCH REVENUE AS THEY CAN WHILE MAINTAINING THEIR FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS, THE FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS BEING PUBLIC, NOT PRIVATE, LOW COST, RIGHT.

ALL THAT STUFF. AND I WOULD COLLECT A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR REVENUE.

SO IT WOULD BE WAVES, IT WOULD BE RENTALS, IT WOULD BE FOOD AND BEVERAGE.

IT WOULD BE EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXPERIENCE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LAYOUT THAT YOU PRESENTED, THERE WERE LIKE ROWS OF TABLES.

AND THEN DOWN AT KIND OF THE SOUTHWEST END, THERE WERE BARBECUES.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PAY THE $10 TO GET IN, IS ALL OF THAT ACCESSIBLE FOR THEM TO PICNIC ON, OR IS THAT A PRIVATE RESTAURANT? NO, NO, THAT'S PART OF THE AMENITY.

INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, HAWKING CHARCOAL DOWN AND GOING HOME SMELLING LIKE CHARCOAL YOU KNOW, A GREAT EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE PV BEACH CLUB, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE I'M GOING TO RUIN A SECRET RIGHT NOW.

IT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY. NOBODY KNOWS THAT USED TO BE ROESSLER POOL.

IT'S WHERE I LEARNED HOW TO SWIM. THEY HAVE FANTASTIC GAS BARBECUES DOWN THERE THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR USE.

YOU BRING DOWN YOUR FOOD, YOU BARBECUE IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO REDO THIS THING, PUT IN SOME GAS BARBECUES,

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AND LIKE ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE CHARCOAL BARBECUES OUT THERE, LIKE, WHERE ARE PEOPLE WASHING THEIR HANDS? WHERE ARE PEOPLE, GOING TO TALK ABOUT KIDS SAFETY? I'M A FOOD SAFETY PROFESSIONAL. THAT'S TROUBLING.

RIGHT? CREATE A PROPER COOKING AREA WHERE SOMEBODY CAN BRING DOWN A STEAK OR A PIECE OF CHICKEN AND BARBECUE IT FOR TEN BUCKS ON THE OCEAN AND EAT IT.

GAME ON. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF THE PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING IN EL SEGUNDO WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IN OR ATTEMPTING TO PUT IN ANOTHER WAVE PARK. THEY'RE INVESTING TO THE TUNE OF 100 TO 150 MILLION.

DO YOU SEE THAT? AS WOULD BE COMPETITION, AS FIRST AS A SURFER? THEY'RE TRYING TO EXECUTE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THEY ARE SPEAKING TO THE SURFER. THEY ARE SPEAKING TO THE GUY THAT WANTS THE PERFECT WAVE.

THE 18 SECOND WAVE THAT'S GOING TO PAY BIG MONEY.

SIMILAR TO DESERT SURF. SIMILAR TO CABO. SIMILAR TO KELLY SLATER'S WAVE.

RIGHT. I CAN'T AFFORD KELLY SLATER'S WAVE, BUT I'VE BEEN INVITED THERE TWICE.

IT'S PRETTY RAD. BUT IT'S VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND THERE IS AN ELITE SURFER CREW OUT THERE THAT'S WILLING TO PAY THAT.

GOD BLESS THEM. I DON'T REALLY EVEN SEE THIS.

I WOULDN'T CALL THIS A SURF PARK. IT'S AN OCEAN PARK.

I THINK THE SURFING IS AN AMENITY. AND AGAIN, THE SURFING IS THE AMENITY THAT CREATES THE ECONOMICS.

WITHOUT THAT AND TRUST, I LOOKED AT HOW COULD YOU DO A POOL HERE? COULD YOU? NONE OF THAT CREATES ECONOMICS. SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE MONEY? IF A SWIMMING POOL COULD CREATE THE ECONOMICS.

I WOULDN'T BE WASTING MY TIME HERE TONIGHT. RIGHT.

I'D BUILD THE POOL. LET'S GO. I CERTAINLY DON'T.

CERTAINLY WORTH NOT ALL THE PERSONAL STUFF THAT I'M TAKING.

BUT I DON'T SEE ANOTHER WAY TO CREATE ECONOMICS.

SO NO, I DON'T SEE IT AS COMPETITION. OKAY. SO BASICALLY YOU ARE, YOU'RE, THE VISION UPGRADES SEASIDE LAGOON.

PEOPLE STILL GET IN FOR THE $10. THEY CAN STILL DO THEIR WADING, THEY CAN STILL DO THEIR PICNICKING, BUT EVERYTHING'S KIND OF UPGRADED. CERTAINLY FROM THE PLANS THAT EXIST.

BUT THEY STILL GET IN FOR THEIR $10, AND IT'S MORE OR LESS UNDERWRITTEN BY THE PRIVATE PART OF THE PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THAT CREATES THE WAVE PART, THAT BRINGS IN INCOME FOR BOTH THE PRIVATE COMPANY DOING IT OR WHOEVER IT'S AWARDED TO, AND THE PERCENTAGE RENT TO THE CITY. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK MY QUESTION CENTERS ON TIMING. THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE MONEY.

AND YOU'VE ADDRESSED THAT YOU TALKED TO THE SENATOR AND MAYBE THAT SHOULDN'T BE A CONCERN.

BUT OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF TIME WENT INTO PREVIOUS PLAN.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WAS SPENT ON THE EXISTING PLAN.

HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK A PLAN LIKE THIS TAKES TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE DUE DILIGENCE? IF YOU HAD TO GUESS. ARE WE TALKING MONTHS? ARE WE TALKING A YEAR? LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT NEXT LEVEL OF DUE DILIGENCE LOOK LIKE TIME WISE? BECAUSE TIME HAS MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH IT. YEAH.

IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE CITY IS EMBRACING IT OR NOT.

THE CITY IS ALREADY DOING THE DIFFICULT WORK.

THEY'RE ALREADY ENDEAVORING TO BUILD A CONCRETE BOTTOM WATER FEATURE.

THE ONLY REAL CHANGE HERE IS THAT FEATURE CAN NOW GENERATE WAVES, AND THERE'S SOME LAYOUT CHANGES.

MOST OF THE SURF PARK KIND OF ENTITLEMENT CONSTRUCTION PROCESS 18 TO 36 MONTHS.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE PRIVATE WORLD WORKS MUCH FASTER THAN THE GOVERNMENT WORLD.

AND THAT'S NOT OUT OF DISRESPECT. IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

SO I THINK EVEN THE CURRENT ESTIMATE ON TIME IS EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE.

I DON'T SEE IT BEING CONSIDERABLY LONGER THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE, ALTHOUGH THERE'S MORE CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN I THINK THE LAST QUESTION, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CHATTER OUT THERE.

SOME GOOD, NOT SO, SOME NOT SO GOOD. YEAH. THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR MOTIVATION FOR COMING UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS GIVEN BEACH LIFE AND HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT BEACHLIFE? AND IF I'M LOOKING AT IT CORRECTLY, IT HAS A POTENTIAL NEGATIVE EFFECT ON YOUR CONCERTS JUST IN TERMS OF SPACE.

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RIGHT NOW, BEACHLIFE IS OVER IN THREE ITERATIONS.

IT ENDS IN 2029. I'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITY FOR SIX YEARS TO EXTEND IT.

IT'S BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL. WE'RE STILL TRYING, AND I'M STILL OPTIMISTIC.

BUT AT THIS POINT, ALL THINGS COULD END. IF BY CHANCE WE WERE TO EXTEND THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS OF EXECUTING BEACH LIFE. SHOULD THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY WANT BEACH LIFE TO CONTINUE? IT COULD BE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT. IT COULD GO INTO THE SOUTH PARKING LOT IF OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN THERE WANTED IT TO.

I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I STARTED BEACHLIFE, RUBY'S WAS AROUND.

JOHN WAS RUNNING RUBIES. I SENT JOHN TO PALM SPRINGS FOR THE WEEKEND BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO INTERRUPT HIS BUSINESS.

RIGHT. WASN'T WHAT I WANTED TO DO THE FIRST YEAR, BUT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I WOULD NEVER, EVER HURT ANOTHER BUSINESS. THE GUYS TO THE SOUTH, CHRIS BREDESON AND GEORGE LAUREN, HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE LOCATIONS. I WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM, BUT POTENTIALLY THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN.

BUT THAT WOULD GET WORKED OUT. I THINK FOR THE LONG TERM OF THE LAGOON, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE THE, IT WOULD BE THE SELFISH THING FOR ME TO GO JUST GET THIS DONE AND LET'S KEEP GOING ON BEACHLIFE.

THAT'S, THE SELFISH BEACHLIFE ANSWER. BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THE CURRENT ITERATION IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. ROGER. YEAH. SORRY.

I SPOKE FIRST LAST TIME AND SAID A LOT OF STUFF, SO I FIGURED I'D THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GO LAST.

SO THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANKS FOR, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND DOING THIS QUICKLY.

WE KIND OF PUT YOU ON THE SPOT LAST TIME. SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

MY FIRST THING IS A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION. IN A COUPLE SECTIONS.

WELL, IN MANY SECTIONS YOU REFER TO THE CITY PLAN.

AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT'S THE CURRENT CITY PLAN AS PROPOSED, WHICH IS KIND OF THE SINGLE PHASE REDUCED SCOPE PLAN. THERE'S A PLAN YOU DIDN'T MENTION TOO MUCH, WHICH WE ENDORSED LAST TIME, WHICH I WOULD CALL LIKE THE 2024 HARBOR COMMISSION PLAN, WHICH IS SORT OF THE FULLY FUNDED $30 MILLION DOLLAR YOU KNOW, FOUR PHASE PLAN.

IT'S SIMILAR TO THE CITY PLAN. IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DEEPER WATER, SALT WATER, SANDY BOTTOM, NICER AMENITIES. IT'S THE PLAN WE TALKED ABOUT AND ENDORSED LAST TIME.

AND IT'S GOT A COUPLE MORE CHECKBOXES AND A COUPLE MORE COLUMNS THAN THAT ONE PAGE YOU HAD COMPARING THE PLANS.

AND YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

I STILL DON'T SEE HOW IT GETS PEOPLE DOWN THERE ON A TUESDAY IN FEBRUARY.

IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED WITH. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MR. HOST, WHEN YOU COME UP WITH YOUR PLAN OR WHOEVER. THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION I'M GOING TO HAVE. HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE DOWN THERE ON A TUESDAY IN FEBRUARY? I GO DOWN THERE TO WATCH THE STORMS AND THE BIG SWELL. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING IN THE WATER.

LET'S SEE. SO SECOND QUESTION YOU HAD A MAP SHOWING THE CURRENT SUB PROBLEM AND HOW BOB HAS TO GO AROUND THE LAGOON.

CAN YOU HELP ME? YOU KNOW, SEE HOW BOB DOES A BETTER JOB OF USING THE HAND LAUNCH WITH THE FUTURE MAP AND THE SAND BOTTOM LAUNCH. YEAH. TO MAKE SURE I HAVE YOUR QUESTION RIGHT.

I'VE SHOWED YOU THE TROUBLE WITH WHAT I BELIEVE THE CURRENT PLAN IS, AND YOU'RE ASKING ME WHAT I WOULD DO.

YEAH. OKAY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A ZERO DEPTH ENTRY.

NOT VERY DIFFICULT TO DO. WE'RE ALMOST AT ZERO DEPTH ENTRY.

IF WE MOVE SOME ROCKS AND REDO SOME THINGS. SECOND, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A A HEAVY CRAFT OR PROPELLER LAUNCH.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE INTENTION. BUT IF I WAS IN CHARGE, I WOULD MOVE THAT OVER TO THE HARBOR SIDE.

I BELIEVE THERE'S SPACE OVER THERE AND I WOULD FOCUS THIS ON BASICALLY SOFT LAUNCH HANDCRAFT, RIGHT? SUPS I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PRONE PADDLE IN THE HARBOR.

OUTRIGGER CANOE, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT SORT.

OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THIS OCEAN PARK SHOULD DO IS IT SHOULD HAVE SUPS FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO USE THEM WHEN THEY PAY THEIR TEN BUCKS.

RIGHT. THAT SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT YOU DO THERE.

BUT IF YOU ARE OF THE PUBLIC AND JUST WANT TO GO USE THAT ZERO LAUNCH, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE OKAY WITH WALKING 75FT,

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I THINK WHAT WOULD BE COOL WOULD BE TO BUILD AN AIR INFLATION LITTLE AREA NEAR THAT GRASS, RIGHT? THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE PEOPLE FUMBLING WITH BECAUSE ALL THEIR SUPS ARE INFLATABLE THESE DAYS.

AND IF AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A BATHROOM ANYWHERE, BATHROOM WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.

JUST LIKE A TOTAL SIDE NOTE. I WATCHED THE PORTA POTTY EVERY DAY WHEN SOMEBODY PUT IT LIKE, RIGHT, PERFECT. WE TALK ABOUT VIEWS AND LIKE BEAUTIFUL SUNSET HARBOR VIEWS AND WE'RE LIKE PORTA POTTY RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT? THAT GETS EMPTIED ONCE OR TWICE A DAY AND SMELLS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? SO THE NEW PLACEMENT FOR THE BATHROOM, THIS IS A LITTLE SMALL DETAIL, BUT WHY WOULDN'T IT BE OVER WHEN YOU PARK, YOU FILL UP YOUR SUP WITH YOUR AIR. YOU GO TO THE RESTROOM, THEN YOU WALK OVER.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK SOMEBODY THAT'S PARTICIPATING IN AN ACTIVE, HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.

I ACTUALLY THINK THAT KEEPING PROPELLERS SEPARATE FROM THE HAND LAUNCH IS IN CITY CODE.

I CAN'T FIND IT QUICKLY, BUT I KNOW I READ IT IN THE LAST WEEK.

I'LL DIG UP EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN CITY CODE.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MURDER'S ILLEGAL.

THAT STILL SEEMS TO HAPPEN. AND THE LAST THING COMMISSION THAT I WOULD SAY IS THE VALUE OF NOT SEEING CARS DRIVE BY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE LAGOON, I THINK IS, IS A VALUE. TAKING A WALK AT NIGHT WITH YOUR DOG ON A PUBLIC BIKE OUT THERE AND WATCHING THE SUNSET, NOT BEING WORRIED ABOUT A CAR COMING BY. I THINK WE'RE MINIMIZING.

I THINK WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE VALUE OF THAT AND THE ESTHETIC VALUE OF THAT, THAT CORRIDOR AND THAT VIEW.

HONESTLY, IT'S ONE WE'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED WITH ON THE COMMISSION IS CARS THERE'S TOUGH.

YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, HIT A KID, HIT A DOG. CARS ARE IN THE WAY, BUT CARS ARE HELPING SOME PEOPLE LAUNCH STUFF THAT THEY COULDN'T OTHERWISE.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE LOOKED A LOT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT OTHER BOAT RAMPS AND HAND LAUNCHES AND HOW IT'S DONE THERE.

YOU KNOW, HOW YOU HANDLE THE, THE ADA PROBLEM AND JUST ENABLE PEOPLE TO GET ACCESS TO THE WATER.

WELL, WHETHER THE OCEAN PARK OR JUST THE FIX OF THE LAGOON IS THE OUTCOME.

IF YOU BUILD THE ROAD, EVERYBODY BE BETTER BE READY FOR TEN CARS LINED UP.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING AT SUNSET. YOU'RE WATCHING A BUNCH OF CARS THAT ARE KEEPING THEIR AC GOING.

THE FUMES ARE ON. AND NOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE CREATED FOR SUNSET WITH A ROAD LIKE THAT, WHICH JUST, I PERSONALLY THINK IS A IS A POOR USE OF PLANNING.

YEAH, IT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE TO SOLVE SEPARATELY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE AMENITIES PLAN. IT'S A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE FROM THE SEASIDE LAGOON IN THE AMENITIES PLAN CURRENTLY.

SO HANDLED AS A SEPARATE PROBLEM MOST OF THE TIME.

I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT YOU'RE BUILT FOR 2050 SEA LEVELS.

WE WOULD BUILD FOR 2050 SEA LEVELS. YEAH. THANKS.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. I GOT ANOTHER ONE.

GO AHEAD. WELL, A COUPLE THINGS. ONE THING IS JUST WHAT ROGER SAID. THERE'S AN ADA COMPONENT AS FAR AS THE ROAD.

RIGHT. IS IT? THEIR. SUBCOMMITTEE VOTED FOR NO ROAD. OH. DID OKAY? YEAH. AND THAT WAS COMPLIANT.

AND THEN IT WAS COMPLIANT. COMMISSION VOTED FOR A ROAD.

I JUST DID SOME BACK OF THE NAPKIN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 400 PEOPLE PAYING 100, $100 AN HOUR.

AND IT DOES PAN OUT. I MEAN, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE.

I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY INTEREST FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR DOING THIS.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN THIS IDEA.

I MEAN, YOU WOULD THEN HAVE AN ECONOMIC ENGINE DRIVING THIS THING.

YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE AN HOUR COULD BE IN THE ON THE WAVE PORTION AT ONCE? IT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST SAYING THIS TIMES IT'S TIME IS THIS.

BUT A WAVE IS GENERATED. THAT WAVE CAN BE RIDDEN EITHER ONE WAY OR TWO WAYS.

SO SPLIT PEAK WOULD GENERATE BOTH SIDE WAVE. THERE'S TWO RIDERS FOR ONE WAVE.

THEN THAT WAVE REFORMS. THAT WAVE CAN BE WRITTEN TWO WAYS.

SO YOU COULD HAVE UP TO FOUR RIDERS AT DIFFERENT ECONOMIC VALUES RIDING A WAVE AT ANY ONE TIME.

IF YOU WERE TO MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING YOU WOULD DO.

SURE. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL QUANTITATIVE OUTPUT.

SO AT 365 DAYS A YEAR, AT $100 AN HOUR, AT APPROXIMATELY TEN DAYS, TEN HOURS OF SERVICE PER DAY ISH, THIS ALL SORT OF ROUGH NUMBERS AT FOUR PEOPLE PER HOUR.

YOU'RE TALKING $1.4 MILLION A YEAR. DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

I WOULD NEED TO DO LIKE I CAN'T. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BREAK EVEN POINT IS.

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AT WHAT POINT IS IT IS IT COMPLETELY PROFITABLE? YOU WOULD NEED TO GENERATE AN IRR OF UPWARD OF 13 TO 14%.

RIGHT. SO I'VE DONE ENOUGH MATH TO KNOW THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE.

I'VE TALKED TO ENOUGH PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.

HERE'S THE OTHER THING. I ACTUALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SURF POOL IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY ECONOMIC DRIVER.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START USING THIS THING ALL THE TIME.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE 100 PEOPLE THERE A NIGHT. AT FIRE PITS I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE LIVE MUSIC EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A TOWN CENTER. SO THERE'S OTHER ECONOMICS AROUND THERE AND PEOPLE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, IF I WANT TO BUY A BEER, CAN I DO THAT RIGHT? IF I WANT TO GET SOME DINNER AND I DON'T WANT TO COOK, CAN I DO THAT? SURE. SO THERE'S OTHER SECONDARY ECONOMICS TO THIS THING AS WELL.

BUT NONE OF THAT REDUCES THE FACT THAT YOU CAN WALK IN THERE FOR $10 AND DO YOUR THING TO AN INCREASED AMENITY.

THAT'S A FOUNDATIONAL TRUTH THAT SHOULD NOT CHANGE.

AGREED. I HAD ONE QUESTION. SURE. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING IN THE CITIES OR NEW ANALYSIS YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH. WAS THAT IN THE WAS THAT REFLECTED IN THOSE TWO LETTERS THAT YOU SAID ARE IN YOUR SUBMISSION? AND WAS THAT LIKE THE SOIL REPORT? NO, I WAS ASKED OR THERE WAS SOME INITIAL CRITICAL FEEDBACK OF LIKE, THIS ISN'T EVEN POSSIBLE. YEAH. AND SO I SAID, CAN I HAVE THE SOILS REPORT? THE GEOLOGY REPORT. I SHOWED THAT TO PROFESSIONALS.

AND IN THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH I'LL PROVIDE, THERE ARE TWO LETTERS THAT BASICALLY SAY, I LOOKED AT IT AND NOTHING POPS UP UNLESS THE CITY'S HOLDING SOMETHING BACK OR HAS ADDITIONAL REPORTS THAT SHOW THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

I'M ONLY BASING THAT ON WHAT I WAS GIVEN. OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM IT WAS A SOILS. THANKS.

YEAH. AND TO CLARIFY WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY GIVEN SOME REPORTS, I WASN'T GIVEN THE EASEMENT REPORT.

I ENDED UP LOOKING THAT UP. THERE'S SOME STORM DRAINS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE LAGOON.

THOSE CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. YOU WOULD JUST REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE POOL.

SO THOSE AREN'T THAT'S NOT A SHOWSTOPPER TOPOGRAPHICALLY.

THANKS. I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYBODY ON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. SO WE WILL ALTERNATE BETWEEN.

WE WILL ALTERNATE BETWEEN ATTENDEES IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND ZOOM ATTENDEES.

SO IF YOU'RE ON ZOOM, PLEASE HAVE YOUR HANDS RAISED.

WE'LL START OFF WITH GARY OST.

WELL, I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS ON THE WAVE POOL BRIEF, BUT I'M HOPING I'LL BE ABLE TO TALK SEPARATELY ON SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0.

MY BRIEF COMMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS A WAVE PULL IS A GREAT IDEA.

IT'S JUST MISPLACED ON STATE LAND, WHICH IS A STATE PARK.

WE COULD PUT IT ON VACANT LAND BEHIND THE POST OFFICE.

DIVE AND SURF COULD BUILD A STORE THERE. YOU CAN WALK INTO DIVE AND SURF, GET A SURFBOARD, GO OUT THE BACK AND INTO THE POOL. YOU CAN GO INTO DIVE AND SURF BY SCUBA GEAR, GO OUT THE BACK AND LEARN HOW TO DIVE AND LEARN HOW TO ENTER THROUGH THE SURF ZONE. SO WE GO ON THE AS SITE. WE COULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE WAVE POOL.

EVERYTHING HE TALKED ABOUT. BUT WHAT'S PROPOSED NOW WOULD KNOCK OUT A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF A VERY SUCCESSFUL STATE REGIONAL PARK. AND I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THAT.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT'S THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT ACTUALLY MAKING IT THROUGH THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION? AND THEY CAN BE TOUGH ON LANDOWNERS. WELL, IMAGINE HOW TOUGH THEY COULD BE IF IT'S THEIR LAND.

SO I THINK THE BIGGEST RISK WITH THIS IN THAT LOCATION IS IT'S NEVER GONNA GET APPROVED.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN THE COMMUNITY NOT TO HAVE IT PUT IN THAT STATE PARK ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.

I THINK IT'S A FABULOUS IDEA. SO WE CAN HAVE THE CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.

WE JUST CAN'T PUT IT IN THE SEASIDE LAGOON. SO I'LL STOP THERE AND HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ABLE TO TALK LATER.

THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE CHRISTY MILLER ON ZOOM.

GO AHEAD. CHRISTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST REALLY HAVE A VERY SHORT COMMENT TO MAKE.

WE REALLY DON'T NEED ANY KOOKS DROPPING IN ON, ON THIS PROJECT AT THIS LATE, LATE STAGE OF THINGS.

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SO THIS IS A PARK, A STATE PARK. WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING A FINANCIAL DRAIN ON THE CITY.

THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S THERE FOR. AND THAT'S.

THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OKAY.

NEXT WE HAVE GEORGETTE GANTNER. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

I THINK MR. SANFORD'S IDEAS ARE ALL GOOD. I AGREE WITH WHAT'S JUST BEEN SAID.

IT'S A STARTING POINT. I JUST KIND OF ASSUMED THAT WHEN HE WAS GOING TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, I COULD BE OFF, BUT I'M SAYING IT ANYWAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE DETAILED.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. THERE'S THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHO WILL FINANCE IT? HE GOES, WELL, WE COULD HAVE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. WE COULD HAVE ANYTHING. BUT WHAT DOES HE BRING? WHAT DOES HE KNOW? WHO DOES HE KNOW? WHERE ARE THE FINANCES AND HOW MUCH WILL IT COST? EL SEGUNDO SAID I HEARD 200 MILLION FOR THEIR WAVE POOL.

AND YEAH, AS WOULD BE GREAT. IF THAT EVER CLEARS UP, WE CAN DO EVERYTHING WITH THAT GOLF COURSE, WHATEVER. BUT I WAS JUST HOPING FOR MORE DETAILS ON THAT.

YEAH. WHO WILL FINANCE, HOW MUCH WILL IT BE? HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO MAINTAIN? I MEAN, I HAVE A POOL, IT'S A SMALL POOL, BUT IT'S WORK ALL THE TIME AND IT'S EXPENSIVE.

MOST OF THE TIME I DO IT MYSELF. SO JUST TO SAVE MONEY.

THE PARKING LOT, THERE WAS AN OVERLAY THAT WAS PRESENTED.

THERE'S BEEN A THREAD ON FACEBOOK, AS I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO COMMENT AND LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING. AND THERE WAS AN OVERLAY DONE WITH A PROJECTED POOL. IF IT WAS 400 BY 200, THAT WAS ONE OF THE DIMENSIONS THAT IT WOULD TAKE A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF THE PARKING LOT.

AND AS IT IS PROBABLY TRUE, AS HE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE'S THERE, YOU MAY HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF PARKING SPOTS ON ANY GIVEN DAY, BUT WHEN YOU NEED IT, YOU NEED IT. AND WHEN BEACHLIFE IS THERE PARKING, YOU KNOW, CARS ARE SPILLING OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORING AREAS BECAUSE I LIVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SIX BLOCKS AWAY AND RENTERS IN THE AREA HAVE NO PLACE TO PARK.

SOMETIMES I JUST SAID, JUST PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE WE DO NEED MORE PARKING.

AND IF THIS IS TAKING UP MORE PARKING, IT WILL JUST BE WE'LL NEED MORE OF IT.

AND ALSO WHATEVER WE DO WHEN WE DEVELOP, HOPEFULLY IT WILL ATTRACT MORE VENDORS, MORE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO INVEST AND THEY WILL NEED PARKING FOR THEIR OWN BUSINESSES.

SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT.

JUST BASICALLY LASTLY, I'VE GOT A LOT OF IDEAS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THE LAST MINUTE THAT, YOU KNOW, SEASIDE LAGOON IS KIND OF A LITTLE PITY AREA NOW.

IT DEFINITELY NEEDS RENOVATION NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, BUT I THINK THE SIMPLICITY OF IT IS, YEAH, IT'S NOT SEXY. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. IT'S NOT TOP OF EVERYTHING.

BUT FOR THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY WHAT MR. OST JUST SAID, WE MAY NOT GET MORE THAN THAT AND WE MAY AS WELL IMPROVE WHAT WE HAVE.

IT ALLOWS PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS. IT'S AFFORDABLE.

IT ALLOWS THEM TO COME IN AND USE OUR WATER FACILITIES IN A SIMPLE WAY, A LITTLE KIND OF A LITTLE TOWN WAY, SO THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE. THE WAVE POOL IS GOING TO NEED.

IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN.

SO I JUST THINK THAT KEEPING SEASIDE LAGOON, BUT IMPROVING IT SO THAT IT'S OPEN MORE OFTEN FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME MIGHT BE THE ANSWER. AND WE HAVE THIS MONEY TO SPEND, SO THANK YOU.

OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE CHRIS BROWN.

HI, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AGAIN TONIGHT.

I'VE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THE CHATTER ONLINE AND IT'S BEEN QUITE FRUSTRATING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THROWN AROUND AND UNFORTUNATELY, KIND OF SCARING PEOPLE.

AND I BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS OR SO.

SO WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE HERE, I WOULD SURELY HOPE IS MADE ON ACTUAL FACTS.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT KEEP GETTING THROWN AROUND ARE LIKE, WELL, THIS WOULD JUST BE WAY TOO EXPENSIVE AND YOU'RE PRIVATIZING PUBLIC LAND.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SOLVE FOR A LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO IT'S INTERESTING TO ME. CALL ME OPTIMISTIC, BUT ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER ONLINE, I REALLY BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE ARE PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER ON THIS.

AND FROM SITTING IN YOUR LAST MEETING LAST WEEK, I HEARD THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS ESPOUSED.

AND I THINK WE SHARE A LOT OF THOSE. SO THIS PLAN IS COMING TRYING TO SOLVE THOSE ISSUES.

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THAT GLOSSES OVER THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO OPEN IT, OTHER THAN DURING THE SUMMER, AND IT SITS THERE LOCKED THE REST OF THE YEAR.

SO LAST WEEK, AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, WE HAD A CRAZY HEAT WAVE.

I WENT DOWN THERE ON THURSDAY AT 1 P.M. IT'S PROBABLY THE HOTTEST DAY OF THE YEAR, ABOUT 80 TO 87 DEGREES.

LAGOON WAS LOCKED AND CLOSED. SO WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, OH, YOU'RE TRYING TO DISENFRANCHIZE PEOPLE OR YOU'RE KEEPING PEOPLE FROM USING IT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE PARK IS OPEN ON THOSE HEAT WAVES.

WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF FAMILIES COULD COME DOWN FOR THE SAME PRICE AND SPLASH AROUND AND COOL OFF ON A DAY LIKE THAT? SO THANK YOU. AND I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'LL GET THERE.

NEXT WE HAVE CARISSA ROBINSON.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I'M GOING TO READ BECAUSE I GET NERVOUS. I UNDERSTAND THAT TONIGHT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS PRESENTATION, NOT TO APPROVE A WAVE POOL OR MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON PHASE ONE.

BUT BECAUSE THIS PROPOSAL IS BEING PRESENTED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE FUTURE OF SEASIDE LAGOON.

I THINK THE PUBLIC RECORD SHOULD BE CLEAR. RECEIVING IT SHOULD NOT BECOME A REASON TO DELAY, DERAIL OR REOPEN THE YEARS OF PUBLIC WORK ALREADY INVESTED IN PHASE ONE.

WE HAVE SPENT YEARS GETTING HERE WITH EXTENSIVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, COMMUNITY INPUT, PROFESSIONAL PLANNING, AND SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INVESTMENT. AND NOW, AT THE 11TH HOUR, WE'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT VISION CENTERED AROUND A PRIVATELY OPERATED COMMERCIAL WAVE POOL. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT BROUGHT US HERE.

CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT DIRECTED A SOLICITATION FOR COMPETING PROPOSALS YET ONE PRIVATE COMMERCIAL CONCEPT HAS BEEN GIVEN AN AGENDIZED PLATFORM IMMEDIATELY BEFORE COUNCIL CONSIDERS PHASE ONE. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT PHASE ONE.

I'VE HEARD THEM. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO IGNORE THEM.

I'M ASKING YOU TO SOLVE THEM. IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH ACCESS, CIRCULATION, INFRASTRUCTURE CONFIGURATION OR YEAR ROUND USE, ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS AS THE PLAN MOVES THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS.

WE DO NOT NEED TO DISCARD YEARS OF WORK TO MAKE PHASE ONE BETTER.

AND I THINK WE'RE LOSING SIGHT OF SOMETHING INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

SEASIDE LAGOON IS PUBLIC LAND. IT IS A PUBLIC AMENITY.

THE PURPOSE OF A PUBLIC PARK IS NOT TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE PER SQUARE FOOT.

ITS VALUE IS MEASURED IN PUBLIC ACCESS, RECREATION, COMMUNITY AND THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE ACROSS INCOME LEVELS AND ABILITIES TO USE IT AND ENJOY IT. A PRIVATE OPERATED COMMERCIAL WAVE POOL OCCUPYING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT SIMPLY AN ADDED AMENITY.

IT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES THE NATURE OF THE PUBLIC SPACE AND RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO THIS LAND IS SERVING.

COMMERCIAL VENTURES ALSO COME WITH COMMERCIAL RISKS.

OWNERSHIPS CHANGE. INVESTORS LEAVE. BUSINESSES FAIL.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THAT HAPPENS? WE COULD RESHAPE A PUBLIC PARK AROUND A PRIVATE BUSINESS MODEL THAT MAY NOT EXIST 20 YEARS FROM NOW.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHY A PROPOSAL OF THIS MAGNITUDE DESERVES ITS OWN TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PROPOSE A WAVE POOL IN REDONDO BEACH, BRING IT FORWARD THROUGH THE PROPOSAL VET IT PUBLICLY STUDY ITS ECONOMICS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, PUBLIC ACCESS, AND LONG TERM RISKS.

LET THE COMMUNITY MEANINGFULLY PARTICIPATE, BUT DO NOT HOLD PHASE ONE HOSTAGE WHILE THAT HAPPENS.

PHASE ONE CAN CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WHILE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED.

A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL PROPOSAL CAN STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS AND GO THROUGH ITS OWN PUBLIC PROCESS.

CONTINUE ADDRESSING LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, PROTECT THE PUBLIC NATURE OF SEASIDE LAGOON, AND ALLOW THE YEARS OF PUBLIC WORK ALREADY INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENT CARDS AND CURRENTLY NO HANDS RAISED IN ZOOM.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. CHUCK MERK BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN REDONDO.

FATHER OF THREE YOUNG KIDS. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK BIGGER ABOUT SEASIDE LAGOON BEFORE WE COMMIT TO THE CURRENT PHASE ONE APPROACH.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I'M NOT ASKING THE CITY TO ABANDON SEASIDE LAGOON, GIVE BACK THE STATE GRANT, OR STOP THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. I'M ASKING WHETHER WE SHOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS TO FULLY FUND THE PROJECT WE ACTUALLY WANT, AND THEN BUILD IT ONCE. THE COMPREHENSIVE CONCEPT DISCUSSED IN 2024 WAS ESTIMATED AT APPROXIMATELY $31 MILLION.

AS COSTS INCREASED, THE PROJECT WAS REDUCED TO FIT THE FUNDING CURRENTLY AVAILABLE.

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FIRST, DETERMINE WHETHER THE EXISTING LAGOON CAN LEGALLY AND SAFELY OPERATE THROUGH THE SUMMERS OF 2027 AND 2028, IF IT CAN KEEP IT OPEN WHILE WE CONTINUE THE NECESSARY DESIGN, ENGINEERING, PERMITTING AND REGULATORY WORK.

THEN USE THOSE TWO YEARS TO LAUNCH A SERIOUS CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.

WE ALREADY HAVE SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INVESTMENT IN THIS PROJECT. LET'S USE THAT AS SEED MONEY TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL GOVERNMENT FUNDING.

QUIMBY FUNDS PHILANTHROPY, COMMUNITY FUNDRAISING, AND MAJOR CORPORATE PARTNERSHIPS.

I'M OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT THE FUNDRAISING EFFORT COULD PRODUCE.

THE SOUTH BAY IS HOME TO MAJOR BUSINESSES AND INSTITUTIONS ACROSS ENERGY, AEROSPACE, HEALTHCARE, FASHION AND APPAREL, PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, UTILITIES AND OTHER INDUSTRIES, MANY OF WHICH HAVE LONG HISTORIES OF INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEIR EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS LIVE. WE ALSO HAVE A HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY THAT DIRECTLY BENEFITS FROM A STRONGER REDONDO BEACH WATERFRONT.

OUR HOTELS, RESTAURANTS AND VISITOR SERVING BUSINESSES HAVE A REAL STAKE IN CREATING AMENITIES THAT GIVE FAMILIES ANOTHER REASON TO VISIT REDONDO BEACH, STAY OVERNIGHT AND COME BACK. WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS COULD ACCOMPLISH BEFORE LIMITING THE PROJECT TO WHAT OUR CURRENT FUNDING CAN AFFORD.

GIVE US TWO YEARS TO FIND OUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO THE OLYMPICS.

RATHER THAN SCHEDULING A MAJOR WATERFRONT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AROUND THE 2028 GAMES AND HOPING EVERYTHING REMAINS ON SCHEDULE LET'S EXPLORE KEEPING SEASIDE LAGOON OPEN THROUGH THE OLYMPIC SUMMER AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS.

THEN WE CLOSE IT ONCE, BUILD THE ENTIRE PROJECT, AND REOPEN WITH A TRULY TRANSFORMED DESTINATION WITH AMENITIES FOR CHILDREN, TEENAGERS, ADULTS, SENIORS, BETTER CONCESSIONS, RECREATION, PROGRAMING, EVENTS, AND OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THE FACILITY MORE FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE. MY MESSAGE IS VERY SIMPLE DESIGN IT ONCE.

FUND IT ONCE. CLOSE IT ONCE. BUILD IT ONCE. BEFORE WE COMMIT TO A REDUCED PROJECT BASED ON TODAY'S FUNDING, LET'S FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH TWO YEARS.

A COMPREHENSIVE VISION AND A SERIOUS FUNDRAISING EFFORT.

THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE THREE HANDS RAISED IN ZOOM NOW.

SO FIRST WE'LL HAVE NANCY KING. GO AHEAD NANCY.

I JUST UNMUTED MYSELF. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME FUNDAMENTAL MARKETING RESEARCH QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, AND I'M NOT SURE THEY'VE BEEN DONE YET. BUT THE BIG BASIC QUESTION IS, IS THERE ENOUGH REPEATABLE PAYING DEMAND WITHIN A REASONABLE DRIVE TIME TO KEEP THIS FACILITY, THE WAVE POOL, ECONOMICALLY AND VIABLE ALL YEAR LONG? AND IF THERE HASN'T BEEN A STUDY TO COME UP WITH THAT QUESTION, WE CAN'T SAY ENOUGH THAT, WELL, THE SCHOOLS ARE REALLY STOKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAP THE POPULATION WITHIN DIFFERENT DISTANCES TO THE POOL.

LOOK AT EXISTING SURFERS. WOULD THAT BRING THEM IN? WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T CURRENTLY SURF? HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD COME IN FROM THERE? DOES THE WAVE POOL EXPAND THE SURFING MARKET, OR DOES IT JUST REDISTRIBUTE EXISTING SURFERS FROM THE OCEAN? SO WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE REPRESENTATIVE SOUTH BAY AND DO A SURVEY OF SOME 600 TO 1000 RESPONDENTS, WEIGHTED TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE ACTUAL MARKET AND THE STUDY.

STUDY THE COMPETITION, COMPETITIVE WAVE POOL STUDY.

THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT WOULD LEND SOME SORT OF CREDIBILITY TO THE IDEA OF, GEEZ, IF YOU JUST BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE LOCAL RESIDENT MARKET VERSUS THIS AS A DESTINATION MARKET.

AND THEN FROM THAT, WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION, WE CAN CALCULATE A REAL DIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACT.

AND THEN ALSO THE INDIRECT IMPACT WITH HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION ISN'T JUST WHETHER A WAVE ATTRACTION INTEGRATED INTO AN EXISTING WATERFRONT DESTINATION CAN GENERATE ENOUGH INCREMENTAL VISITATION AND SPENDING TO JUSTIFY THE LAND, THE CONSTRUCTION, AND THE OPERATING AND OPPORTUNITY COSTS.

SO IF WE HAD A STUDY LIKE THAT, IT WOULD MAKE ME A LOT MORE CONFIDENT THAT THIS WOULD BE REALLY VIABLE.

AND THAT'S IT. NEXT WE HAVE LAURA KASTNER ON ZOOM.

GO AHEAD. LAURA. SORRY, I HAD TO UNMUTE THERE.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I'M LAURA KASTNER, A LONG TIME SOUTH BAY RESIDENT, DISTRICT TWO HOMEOWNER, MOM AND TAXPAYER. TONIGHT WE'VE HEARD THAT REDUCING THE SWIMMING LAGOON AND THE SAND AREA IS NO BIG DEAL.

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HOW CAN YOU JUDGE THAT LOSS AS INSIGNIFICANT WITHOUT THOSE NUMBERS? WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SURFING POOL SIZE OF ABOUT 45,000 TO 60,000FT², AND A SURFING PRICE OF 100 TO 150 AN HOUR.

COMBINING THAT POOL WITH THE REMAINING LAGOON AND CALLING IT MORE WATER ATTRACTION SPACE DOES NOT MEAN FAMILIES GET MORE SWIMMING SPACE.

AND EXPLAINING HOW MANY WAVES SOMEONE GETS FOR 150 DOESN'T ANSWER WHETHER ORDINARY FAMILIES CAN AFFORD IT.

A PHOTOGRAPH LABELED 55 PEOPLE AT PEAK IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A USAGE STUDY.

FAMILIES MOVE BETWEEN THE SAND AND THE WATER.

THE RECREATION SPACE IS NOT SURPLUS LAND SIMPLY BECAUSE EVERYONE ISN'T SWIMMING AT ONCE.

WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ACCEPT A SMALLER LAGOON FOR A COMMERCIAL ATTRACTION, WHILE THE CITY'S SHARE OF REVENUE REMAINS UNSPECIFIED.

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY DELAYING YEARS OF PUBLIC PLANNING.

MR. SANFORD'S OWN PRESENTATION ACKNOWLEDGES THAT PHASE ONE ADDRESSES THE FINES IF ACCESS HOURS OR DESIGN NEED IMPROVEMENT FIX THOSE ISSUES.

THEY DO NOT ESTABLISH A NEED FOR A COMMERCIAL WAVE POOL.

A PUBLIC PARK DOES NOT HAVE TO MAXIMIZE NEARBY COMMERCE TO JUSTIFY ITS EXISTENCE.

SERVING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IS ITS PURPOSE.

RECEIVE AND FILE. NO SUBCOMMITTEE. NO STAFF ALLOCATION.

NO ENDORSEMENT. PROTECT OUR PUBLIC SWIMMING AND SAND SPACE AND LET PHASE ONE MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE MARY DELAHANTY THROUGH ZOOM.

GO AHEAD MARY. OKAY, SO GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, AND GREETINGS, COMMISSIONERS, AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT HAS BEEN WORKING THESE LAST TWO YEARS.

I WAS WITH WATER QUALITY TASK FORCE IN 2005 AND WE WERE ADDRESSING ISSUES AT THAT TIME.

THAT IS WHEN WE GOT OUR FIRST TIME SCHEDULE ORDER AFTERWARDS TO DISCOVER INCOMING WATER WAS FULL OF TSS.

WAY MORE THAN US OUTGOING. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING GARY'S I'VE READ GARY'S PROPOSAL.

SOME OF THE WHITE SAND AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS ADDRESSES THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO.

IT COULD MAKE IT A WORLD CLASS LAGOON. AT THE TIME THE WATER BOARD CAME, IT WAS ONE OF THE FEW LAGOONS IN CALIFORNIA SWIMMING LAGOONS LIKE THIS FOR ALL, ALL AGES AND ALL ECONOMIC LEVELS. AND THAT IS WHY HE WAS.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO HIM TO GIVE US A TIME WITHOUT FINES TO LOOK FOR THE RESULTS OF IT.

I WAS A LITTLE SORRY THAT I GUESS BECAUSE IT WAS PREMATURE, ALLEN DIDN'T GO BEFORE THE COASTAL COMMISSION, BECAUSE I ALSO THINK A DIFFERENT LOCATION WOULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR HIS VENUE.

I THINK OUR STAFF DOESN'T LEAVE IT OPEN. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE BUDGET OF WHY THEY CAN'T HAVE OUR LAGOON OPEN.

AS YOU SAY, WEDDINGS? I'VE BEEN TO EVENTS THERE, BUT I PREFER TO SEE THE WORK CONTINUE WITH PHASE ONE AND IMPROVED AND TO KEEP IT FOR GENERATIONS TO COME AS THE REGIONAL PARK AND JUST A LOVELY AMENITY THAT IT IS.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE INSURANCE AND THE MAINTENANCE ALL HAS TO FIT WITHIN WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE.

A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING ON THE SIDE. I WAS REMEMBERING THAT YOU NEEDED FOR EVERY TWO BOATS YOU NEEDED A PARKING SPACE.

WAS THAT A REQUIREMENT BACK AT ONE TIME? WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT GIVING AWAY PARKING, DOES THAT STILL EXIST? THAT'S IN MY MIND FROM THE WATER QUALITY DAYS.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0.

NEXT WE HAVE SCOTT BRADLEY THROUGH ZOOM. HI. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATIONS.

I JUST I'M ACTUALLY A NEW ARRIVAL HERE IN REDONDO BEACH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS AND MY KIDS HAVE GONE TO THE SUMMER CAMPS AT SEASIDE LAGOON THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND THEY'VE REALLY ENJOYED IT.

AND I THINK IT'S A REAL GREAT AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK CONFLATING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A WATER AMENITY, A SWIMMING AMENITY THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY POPULAR IN THE OFF SEASON COMING FROM OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY WHERE IT'S JUST UNDERSTOOD THAT POOLS ARE OPEN DURING THE SUMMER AND THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY A SELF-SUSTAINING THING THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE DRIVING TRAFFIC IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR SEASIDE LAGOON IN AND OF ITSELF IN ITS MAIN SWIMMING AMENITY TO BE A SUMMER ATTRACTION.

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ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SHOULD BE THE FOCUS OF THE HARBOR COMMISSION IN DRIVING TRAFFIC TO THE PIER AND NOT TRYING TO FORCE A SWIMMING ATTRACTION TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE POPULAR IN THE OFF SEASON.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK REALLY SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SORT OF SEE WHAT SEASIDE LAGOON SHOULD BE FOR THE FULL YEAR SORT OF CONTEXTUALIZING THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS JUST THAT THE CITY'S PLANS TO TRY TO OPEN UP THE PARK LAND, SIMILAR TO HOW WE WOULD HAVE PARK LAND AT VETERANS PARK.

SEEMED TO ME TO MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE AND CERTAINLY CAN STILL BE CONGRUENT WITH THE CRITICISMS THAT ALLEN HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT BEING FIRE PITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE REALLY SEPARATE, I THINK, FROM THE FUNDAMENTAL DESIGN OF THE LAGOON.

THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE AMY RUSSELL.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AMY RUSSELL.

I'M A 30 SOME YEAR RESIDENT OF REDONDO BEACH AND A HOMEOWNER IN DISTRICT FOUR.

AN AWFUL LOT OF GOOD WORK HAS BEEN DONE BY AN AWFUL NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO GET US TO THIS POINT.

I AGREE WITH A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD HERE THIS EVENING EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE SEASIDE LAGOON BEING LOCATED ON PARK LAND THAT ESSENTIALLY BELONGS TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY RISKY TO TRY TO THINK THAT THESE KINDS OF PLANS FOR OCEAN PARK AND A WAVE POOL COULD BE APPROVED BY THE STATE COASTAL COMMISSION. I THINK THAT'S A HUGE RISK.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FLESH OUT THE FINANCIALS AND DETAILS AROUND THE CURRENT WAVE POOL CONCEPT.

IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA, BUT I THINK THAT SEASIDE LAGOON IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE STATE OWNERSHIP OF THE PARK AND THAT I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC PARK LAND SHOULD STAY PUBLIC PARKLAND AND AFFORDABLE TO FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN WHO NEED A SAFE PLACE TO RECREATE WITH THEIR FAMILIES. I DO THINK THAT THE COMMENTS THAT GARY OST FILED WITH THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE PHASE ONE FINALIZATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE APPROVAL OF THE PHASE ONE DESIGN.

I WOULD SAY ONE LAST THING ABOUT THE OCEAN POOL CONCEPT AS IT'S CURRENTLY ENVISIONED.

TO ME, THE PRIMARY BENEFICIARY OF THAT DESIGN AS IT IS CURRENTLY ENVISIONED IN THE PLACE WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY ENVISIONED TO BE, IS THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB. I THINK IT SHOULD BE LOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE IDEA OF FOR PROFIT COMMERCIAL ENTITY BEING LOCATED ON PUBLIC PARK LAND WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS A SHARE IN THE REVENUE OR NOT.

I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE PUBLIC END USUALLY COMES OUT ON THE SHORT END OF THE STICK.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ISN'T SOMETHING HERE THAT'S WORTH CONSIDERING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CONSIDERED IN AN OPEN PUBLIC PROCESS DULY CONSIDERED.

AND LOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. MARK HANSEN, PROUD MEMBER OF THE KING HARBOR PUBLIC AMENITIES WORKING GROUP.

DURING THE PUBLIC AMENITIES PROCESS, WE HAD VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ASK ABOUT WAVE POOLS OF DIFFERENT SIZES, AND WE PUBLISHED A CONCLUSION THAT SURFER WAVE POOLS ARE SOUGHT AFTER BY THE PUBLIC.

HOWEVER, SPACE REQUIREMENTS MAY RESTRICT THIS AMENITIES FEASIBILITY.

SINCE THOSE FOUR YEARS, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THE TECHNOLOGY HAS MOVED FORWARD AND NOW WE COULD FIT ONE IN THERE IF WE SO CHOOSE.

THE LAGOON IS LOCATED ON STATE TIDELANDS, SO THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PRIORITIZE COASTAL RELATED USES.

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THE COASTAL COMMISSION WILL WANT US TO STILL SUPPORT LOW COST RECREATIONAL ACCESS.

A GREAT FEATURE IS THERE IS THE INCLUSION OF THE BEGINNER INSTRUCTIONAL WAVE.

ACCESS TO THAT SMALLER WAVE COULD BE POTENTIALLY BE PROVIDED WITH GENERAL ADMISSION TO THE LAGOON.

DURING THE COMMUNITY POP UPS ATTENDEES WERE LESS THAN ENTHUSED ABOUT RENTABLE LAND SPACES.

THEY WERE MUCH MORE ENTHUSED ABOUT POTENTIAL ACTIVE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT INCREASING THE USE OF LAGOON FROM THREE MONTHS TO YEAR ROUND.

HOWEVER, THE CITY'S CURRENT PROPOSAL ONLY FOCUSES ON EXPANDING LAND USE TIMES.

THE BEACH CITIES DO NOT HAVE DEPENDABLE YEAR ROUND SURF.

SURFERS IN WETSUITS WOULD UTILIZE THIS AMENITY YEAR ROUND.

SO WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO MAKING YOUR DECISIONS LATER THIS EVENING, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE HARBOR COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH OUR HARBOR BUSINESSES TO ACCOMMODATE A DELAY SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMPLISH A FIRST EVER COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF SURF WAVES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE BENDING OVER FOR THE MICROPHONE.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS LEZLIE CAMPEGGI, DISTRICT TWO.

TO HAVE A WAVE POOL WITH FOUR FOOT HIGH WAVES, YOU NEED 2 TO 5 ACRES WORTH OF LAND TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

AND THE SEASIDE LAGOON IS 3.6 ACRES. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW.

I THINK WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.

WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO OUR CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY'VE NOT GIVEN DIRECTION TO CONSIDER ALTERNATE PROJECTS TO THEIR PHASE ONE.

SO THIS IS PREMATURE. WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE BECAUSE WE'VE PUT IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE THAT THERE COULD BE SOMETHING EXCITING AND NEW AND WONDERFUL, AND YET IT'S NOT VETTED. THE DECISION IS NOT HERE WITH THIS COMMISSION, AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND, OR SOME OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, AND THAT IS THAT THE SEASIDE LAGOON IS NOT AN UNDERUTILIZED REDONDO BEACH ASSET THAT WE NEED TO MAKE MONEY FROM.

IT IS A STATE REGIONAL PARK LAND THAT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN METRICS.

IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH MEASURE C WITH OUR LOCAL COASTAL PLAN.

AND IT'S UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION FOR DEVELOPMENT.

AND A WAVE POOL PROBABLY WOULD NOT FIT THAT BECAUSE IT NEEDS A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE LAGOON RIGHT NOW TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FOUR FOOT WAVES.

BUT IT ALSO WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER CEQA REVIEW, WHICH IS 18 TO 36 MONTHS WITH WHICH IS WHAT MR. SANFORD ALLUDED TO. AND IT'S NOT A COASTAL DEPENDENT AMENITY.

18 TO 36 MONTHS. THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER REVIEW TO CONDUCT STUDIES AND ALL THE ANALYSIS THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO SEE IF A WAVE POOL OR ANYTHING ELSE COULD BE THERE.

MAYBE IT'S A FERRIS WHEEL, MAYBE IT'S A ROLLER COASTER.

MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE MINIATURE GOLF COURSE. NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO PASS THE SCRUTINY OF THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COVER THE MAJORITY OF THE LAGOON FOR A PUBLIC PARK TO ACCOMMODATE A NON COASTAL DEPENDENT AMENITY.

AND YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT. AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T.

BUT LET ME GO BACK IN THIS LAST 30 SECONDS TO TALK ABOUT THAT 18 TO 36 MONTH TIME WINDOW.

WHO BENEFITS FROM A DELAY. DID YOU ALL CATCH THE PART WHERE THE CONTRACT FOR BEACHLIFE FESTIVAL IS THREE YEARS FROM NOW, AND IT'S OVER 36 MONTHS? AND HE'S BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN NEGOTIATING SOMETHING.

THIS WOULD GIVE A DELAY TO GET US THROUGH THAT TIME FRAME, AND A WAVE POOL ON THAT FOOTPRINT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE BEACH LIFE FESTIVAL THAT WE ALL LOVE TO VISIT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER ON ZOOM.

NANCY SKIBA. GO AHEAD NANCY. GOOD EVENING, NANCY SKIBA.

DISTRICT FOUR. 26 YEAR RESIDENT OF REDONDO BEACH.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY QUICKLY THAT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD WITH PHASE ONE AS AS IT'S LAID OUT.

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I HAD SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. ANIKA BLAIR. MY FAMILY MOVED TO REDONDO BEACH IN 1976.

I'M SORRY. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BEFORE HE BEGINS? OH, AS I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS.

IT'S SHE. BUT THANK YOU. CAN WE SEE IT SO WE I CAN'T WE CAN'T VOTE ON A MOTION TO RECEIVE SOMETHING IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING.

IS IT MULTIPLE COPIES OF IT? YES, THERE'S EIGHT OF THEM.

ONE FOR EACH OF YOU. AND FOR THE CITY. AND WHAT IS SOURCE BASED COMPARISON OF THE CLAIMS THAT ARE MADE ON AN EDUCATIONAL WEBSITE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AND BROUGHT UP BY THE WAVE POOL PROPONENTS? IS THERE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ANIKA BLAIR.

MY FAMILY MOVED HERE IN 76. WE'VE BEEN HERE OVER 50 YEARS OR GOING OVER 50 YEARS.

I MYSELF 37. I MOVED AWAY FOR ABOUT 13. I'M HERE TO SAY DIRECTLY SEASIDE LAGOON IS PUBLIC PARKLAND, NOT A PRIVATE PLAYGROUND. I SUPPORT MODERNIZING SEASIDE LAGOON, BUT MODERNIZING A PUBLIC PARK IS NOT THE SAME THING AS PRIVATIZING IT.

TONIGHT WE ALL HEARD FROM THE PROPONENT WAS WHAT WE ALL HEARD FROM THE PROPONENT WAS PURE SPECULATION.

WE HEARD YOU CAN NEGOTIATE THAT THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT AND IT IS FEASIBLE.

A DEVELOPER'S WISH LIST IS NOT AN ENTITLED PROJECT.

IT'S NOT BINDING CONTRACT AND IT DOES NOT PROTECT OUR TIDELANDS.

HERE ARE THE FACTS. THE PUBLIC PARKLAND AND IT.

THIS IS PUBLIC PARK LAND AND IT MUST NOT BE SHRUNK.

THE CITY'S PHASE ONE PLAN PRESERVES OUR ONE ACRE, 44,000 SQUARE FOOT PUBLIC WATER FOOTPRINT FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND SWIMMING ABILITIES.

THE PROPONENT ADMITS THEIR FAMILY WATER AREA IS MUCH SMALLER, YET REFUSES TO STATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WALLING THE 70% WALLING OFF 77% OF OUR WATER FOR A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL WAVE BASIN WHILE CROWDING EVERYDAY FAMILIES ONTO A SLIVER OF SAND VIOLATES VOTER APPROVED MEASURE C AND SHRINKS OUR PUBLIC PARK LAND.

$150 AN HOUR PAY WALL. WE'VE HEARD THAT ENOUGH.

WORLD CLASS WAVES. ET CETERA. I'M PUTTING $150 AN HOUR WAVE PAY WALL ON SOVEREIGN TIDELANDS LOCKS EVERY DAY KIDS OUT AND TURNS AWAY OUR PUBLIC. STOP GAMBLING WITH TAXPAYER FUNDS.

WE HAVE HEARD SALES PITCHES CLAIMING ZERO TAXPAYER COSTS.

YET THE PROPONENT OPENLY TARGETS OUR $10 MILLION IN STATE GRANT FUNDING ON THEIR WEBSITE.

THE GRANT BELONGS TO AN OPEN, 100% PUBLIC REGIONAL PARK.

CHASING AN UNENTITLED PRIVATE SCHEME RISKS THAT FUNDING, THREATENS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL AUTHORIZATION, AND TRAPS OUR WATERFRONT BEHIND CONSTRUCTION FENCES FOR ANOTHER DECADE.

BEFORE YOU RECEIVE AND FILE THIS PRESENTATION OR THANK YOU FOR RECEIVING AND FILING THAT PRESENTATION. SORRY, I'M NOT PERFECTLY VERSED IN THIS PROCESS.

I THINK WE NEED TO ANSWER SOME HARD QUESTIONS.

HOW MUCH PUBLIC WATER FOOTPRINT IS BEING ELIMINATED? WILL PROPONENTS CONTRACTUALLY GUARANTEE THAT $0 OR STATE GRANT FUNDS ARE USED? AND WHEN SOMEONE CALLS A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL CLUB THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF OUR WATERFRONT, YOU MUST ASK FOR WHOM? I ASK THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE COMMISSION TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATION THAT I PRESENTED.

I CLOSE THE ITEM OR SORRY RECEIVE THE PRESENTATION FROM MR. SANFORD AND TEAM TONIGHT. CLOSE THE ITEM AND TAKE ZERO ACTION.

NO SUBCOMMITTEES, NO STAFF DIRECTION, AND NO FOLLOW UP.

DO NOT HIT PAUSE ON OUR COMMUNITY PARK. TELL THE CITY COUNCIL TO MODERNIZE, NOT PRIVATIZE.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO OTHER HANDS RAISED IN ZOOM.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? JOAN IRVINE DISTRICT ONE. I MUST SAY I HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLETELY FOLLOWING.

I HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING THIS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO COME DOWN AND SAY, NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT REDONDO, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, AND PART OF MY CAMPAIGN PLATFORM FOR RUNNING FOR MAYOR WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TAKING A LOOK AT IS, ARE WE JUST WITH THE CURRENT PHASE ONE? ARE WE EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET BEYOND PHASE ONE?

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WE NEED TO BE BRINGING MONEY INTO THIS CITY IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING.

I MEAN, ARE WE JUST PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE ON OTHER PROJECTS? SO WHETHER ALLEN'S, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL IS THE RIGHT ONE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE A MONEY MAKING THING.

WE CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER NON MONEY MAKING THING IN REDONDO.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD A CUT OUT SERVICES. YOU KNOW, WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET THE YEAR BEFORE WE HAD TO BORROW $3.5 MILLION OF OUR $8 MILLION RESERVE. SO I THINK YOU DO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC RAMIFICATIONS OF WHAT PHASE ONE IS GOING TO BE VERSUS WHAT ALLEN IS PROPOSING. AND HE'S PROPOSING A BASIC HE HAD NO DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER AND THE CITY NEEDS TO CONSIDER.

THANK YOU. STILL NO HANDS RAISED IN ZOOM. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM? I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND FOR SPEAKING.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING.

LAST THE END OF LAST MONTH, THE SEVEN OF US VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSED PHASE ONE.

THE PROPOSED. THEN THE THEN PROPOSED PHASE ONE WAS MARKEDLY DIFFERENT FROM THE PHASE ONE THAT WE SPENT MONTHS, HAD SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS ON THAT WE DID RESEARCH ON THAT WE VOTED ON AT THE TIME.

SO TO HEAR PEOPLE SAY TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE ONE, IT'S UNLIKELY TO BE ADEQUATE FOR 2050. SO ARE WE JUST GOING TO THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD AND THEN BE STUCK WITH THIS PROBLEM? IT MARKEDLY CHANGES IT FROM A SEASIDE LAGOON TO A POOL.

IT TURNS IT FROM SALT WATER INTO FRESH WATER, FROM NINE FEET INTO FIVE FEET, FROM FULL SAND TO A PORTION OF SAND.

THESE ARE ALL VERY, VERY DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAN WE VOTED ON ORIGINALLY.

SO WHEN PEOPLE CLAIM THAT WE'RE IN POCKETS AND THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS FOR THIS ISN'T A BINARY CHOICE.

IT'S NOT PHASE ONE OR WAVE POOL. THE DECISION WE MADE AT THE TIME, BACK IN THE 25TH, WAS THE THEN PROPOSED PHASE ONE, WHICH WAS AGAIN, VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ALL VOTED ON AT THE TIME.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WE'RE NOT UP HERE DELAYING FOR MR. SANFORD'S WAVE POOL. I HADN'T MET HIM UNTIL THAT MEETING.

PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT WE'RE IN POCKETS, AND IT'S FRANKLY, IT'S FRUSTRATING TO HEAR OUR NEIGHBORS SPEAKING LIKE THIS ABOUT US.

WE ALL DO THIS BECAUSE WE LOVE THE CITY, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING IN ANY WAY BENEFIT FROM IT.

I'VE NEVER BEEN TO CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB ALREADY ESTABLISHED, I'M NOT A SURFER.

SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THE VOTE THAT WE MADE AT THE END OF LAST MONTH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAVE POOL.

THE WAVE POOL WAS IN WAS A SIDE DISCUSSION. WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT LAST TIME. I MADE A POINT TO HAVE US NOT TALK ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING.

SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THE VOTE WE MADE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAVE POOL.

IT WAS SOLELY ON A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL OF PHASE ONE THAN WE WERE ORIGINALLY GIVEN AND VOTED ON.

I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD. I WANT TO ADD, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER THAT WE SHOULD RESPECT THE PROCESS AND THE INPUT OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPENT TIME COMING DOWN AND PROVIDING THAT INPUT. AND WHAT THIS PHASE ONE HAS BECOME IS NOT WHAT THE INPUT WE RECEIVED INDICATED THE COMMUNITY WANTED, AND THAT IS WHY WE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED AGAINST IT.

YEAH, IT WAS FRANKLY DISAPPOINTING. AND WE SPENT $2.2 MILLION ON THIS ALTERNATIVE.

OH, WELL, INITIALLY, BUT THEN IT MORPHED INTO SOMETHING WHERE THEY HADN'T EVEN CONSIDERED CLIMATE CHANGE.

RIGHT. AND IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED.

IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE SEASIDE LAGOON. IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

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IT IS NO LONGER A. IT DOESN'T. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE COASTAL ANY LONGER.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OCEAN OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, 180 DEGREES OF VIEW.

YEAH. RIGHT. WHICH IN SOME WAYS DOES IT KIND OF ADVOCATES FOR THIS IDEA OF PUSHING THE PAUSE BUTTON A LITTLE BIT ON THIS WHOLE PROCESS. WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.

WE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T. WE WENT BACK TO THEM AND TO THE, THE TEAM STAFF AND ASKED FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS CLOSER TO WHAT WE VOTED ON.

NOW. I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF SOME WAY WHERE WE CAN GET CLOSER TO WHAT WE WE DISCUSSED. AND THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION AT.

THERE WAS NO. HAD THERE BEEN UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, GOING THROUGH PLANNING ALL THIS AND ALL OF THESE THE DESIGNS, HEY, LOOK, WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE. WE CAN'T HAVE SALT WATER OR WE CAN'T HAVE IT BE NINE FEET ANYMORE.

WE CAN'T HAVE IT BE SAND ON THE BOTTOM ANYMORE.

HAD WE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EASIER PILL TO SWALLOW, BUT MORE THINGS THAT GOT COMPILED ON TO THE CHANGING WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS FUNDAMENTAL TO WHAT THE CITY WANTED FOR SEASIDE LAGOON TO BE.

AND ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO CAMP THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TONS OF POOLS.

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR KIDS GO TO THE SUMMER LIKE YOU HAD YOUR KIDS GO TO THE SEASIDE LAGOON FOR THE SEASIDE COMPONENT, I THINK. WE'D ALL LOVE TO HAVE PHASE ONE WITH AS ONE OF THE ZOOM SPEAKER SAID, WITH ALL THE FIXINGS, THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING WHEN WE VOTED THE LAST TIME.

I THINK THIS TAKES IT FROM A THANKSGIVING, ALL THE FIXINGS TO A MEAT AND POTATOES MEAL.

RIGHT. I WANTED TO MAKE TWO COMMENTS. THIS MODIFIED PHASE ONE GETS A TEMPORARY FENCE THAT OPENS UP THE SAND, BUT THERE'S ZERO REASON THE CITY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR DECADES.

TODAY, THE LAGOON IS SHUT DOWN. THERE USED TO BE A PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE IN THERE.

AND MY KIDS WOULD LOOK AT IT LIKE, WHY CAN'T WE GO IN THERE? AND IT MADE NO SENSE TO ME.

BUT THAT PART OF THE PARK, JUST LIKE THE MODIFIED PHASE ONE, COULD BE OPEN TODAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASON IS THAT MODIFIED ONE WOULD SUDDENLY MAKE THAT PATCH OF SAND AVAILABLE.

BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT DATA THE CITY DOES HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT HAS REALLY GOOD DATA THAT CAN TRACK LIKE BY THE HOUR, FOLKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE LAGOON WHERE THEY COME FROM, FAR AWAY CITIES, NEARBY CITIES. DO THEY THEN GO TO A RESTAURANT OR OTHER AREAS WITHIN OUR CITY? I'VE ASKED FOR THAT DATA SINCE OUR SPECIAL MEETING AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT YET OR HAVE THAT CONSULTANT BE TASKED FOR IT.

BUT I'M SURPRISED THE CITY HASN'T ASKED FOR THAT DATA YET, BUT WE CERTAINLY SHOULD GET THAT TO GIVE BETTER INSIGHT INTO THE CURRENT ACTIVATION OF THE SPACE AND THE USAGE TO HELP INFORM ANY FUTURE DESIGN.

EXCUSE ME CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE AGENDIZE THE TOPIC FOR THE WAVE POOL.

SO WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ON THE TOPICS WE DISCUSS DURING THIS ITEM.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GO OFF ON THAT, I WAS JUST TRYING TO RESPOND TO THE DATA QUESTION PEOPLE HAD.

I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT I, TO ECHO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, I DON'T WANT ANYONE HERE WATCHING.

I DON'T WANT ANY OF THE PUBLIC TO THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION SAW A SHINY OBJECT IN ANOTHER PLAN AND SAID, HIT THE BRAKES ON THE CITY PLAN AND LET'S EXPLORE THE SHINY OBJECT.

IF THE SHINY OBJECT OF A WAVE POOL PROPOSAL DIDN'T EXIST, WE WOULD HAVE STILL, I BELIEVE, VOTED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD, NOT TO RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD ON THE CITY'S PHASE I PLAN, BECAUSE IT IS SO VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AND VOTED UPON AND APPROVED IN THE PAST.

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I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR MORE FROM MR. OST. I SAW THAT IN OUR COMMUNICATION. I, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AT THIS POINT, WE, I BELIEVE THAT THAT PHASE I HAS SHIFTED SO DRASTICALLY FROM WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAD INPUT ON, AND THIS COMMISSION HAD INPUT ON THAT MORE TIME IS REQUIRED, MORE EVALUATION IS REQUIRED, MORE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED BEFORE THAT MOVES FORWARD.

I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT IT WAS A OBJECT OR A GOAL OF THIS COMMISSION TO DELAY A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS AND APPROVED, BECAUSE IT WAS A BRAND NEW PLAN FOR US THAT WE SAW.

SO AS WE AS WE SIT HERE, SORRY. I JUST, MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THIS.

I HAVE A QUESTION. I DO REMEMBER WHEN COMMISSIONER CARLSON HAD THE MOTION LAST TIME TO HEAR PLANS, IDEAS. IT WAS PLURAL. WHAT LEEWAY DO WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM MR. OST'S? SO THERE WERE TWO CONFLICTING MOTIONS UNFORTUNATELY, DURING THAT MEETING, THERE WAS THE INITIAL MOTION TO HEAR SEVERAL PLANS, AND THEN THE CLARIFICATION LATER ON, BUT NOT A SUBSTITUTE.

SO THERE ARE CONFLICTING MOTIONS. TONIGHT, THOUGH WE ONLY AGENDIZE SPECIFICALLY A PRESENTATION FROM ALAN SANFORD.

SO WE CAN ONLY HAVE THAT PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO STAFF IN THE COMMUNITY IF THE COMMISSION COULD CLARIFY THEIR INTENT WITH THEIR COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.

YEAH, MY INTENTION WAS TO HEAR PLANS, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO HEAR MORE DETAILS FROM ALAN SANFORD TONIGHT. SO I AGREE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION IN THE MOTIONS.

IT'S OKAY, YOU'RE LEAVING SOON. YOU KNOW I CAN MAKE A MESS.

OKAY, SO SORT OF BRING THIS BACK TO WHY WE'RE ALL HERE.

I PERSONALLY, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SURFING, I KNOW EVEN LESS ABOUT SURF POOL AND HOW YOU WOULD MAKE THE WAVES AND WHAT THAT WOULD ALL TAKE.

WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL ANY PROGRESS WE'VE MADE OR WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY MAKING SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, IF THEY'VE MADE ANYTHING, SO THAT WE CAN EXPLOIT.

I WOULD LIKE FOR THESE TWO THINGS TO BE EXPLORED CONTEMPORANEOUSLY IF POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WAS THAT GUY'S NAME WHO SAID THEIR LAST MEETING? NO, THE ONE WHO WAS WITH THE FIRM. OH, MR. NUVIS, PERRY CARDOZA.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THEY'VE TAKEN ANYTHING THAT WE SAID UNDER ADVISEMENT AT ALL.

IF ANYTHING IS ANY SORT OF PROGRESS THERE. AND ADDITIONALLY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, IS IT FEASIBLE? YES. MR. SANFORD SAID SO. OTHERS SAY IT'S NOT.

THERE'S GOT TO BE TRUTH OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. IS THIS FEASIBLE? WITHOUT IT COSTING $200 MILLION. YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING BEEN DONE SINCE WE'VE SPOKEN SINCE THE LAST MEETING? I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION THERE, I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW NIGHT. AND IN THAT REPORT, YOU'LL SEE A SECTION CALLED PROJECT QUESTIONS. AND THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE HARBOR COMMISSION'S QUESTIONS ANSWERED. EXCELLENT. I MEAN, IF IT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR THEM TO DISCUSS TOMORROW, I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD VOTE, A MOTION TO VOTE FOR OR IN FAVOR OF EXPLORING THIS WHILE ALSO NOT SLAMMING THE BRAKES ON THE. YES, BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY THEY BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS WE GOT TO THE PROPOSAL, WE GOT TO WHAT THEY, THEY HAD NARROWED THAT DOWN DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS.

IT WAS A MONEY ISSUE. AND SUDDENLY WE'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY A PUBLIC POOL VERSUS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHICH WAS A MODERNIZED SEASIDE LAGOON MAYOR. WAVING POOL, THANK YOU.

RATHER VERSUS A MODERNIZED SEASIDE LAGOON. AND IF THAT IS THE ISSUE, MAYBE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT OTHER AVENUES WHERE THERE'S MORE MONEY AVAILABLE. AND THIS WOULD ALSO GIVE OTHER PEOPLE A CHANCE TO SAY, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA? WHAT ABOUT THAT IDEA? YEAH. SO IF I CAN CHIME IN

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THIS IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL BECAUSE WE TOOK THE INITIATIVE ON THIS TONIGHT, BUT IT'S ALSO A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAT THEY KIND OF TOOK SEASIDE LAGOON AWAY FROM US AND MOVED IT OVER TO, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND LEFT US OUT OF DISCUSSION FOR THE LAST YEAR.

SO ONE WAY WE GOT TO AGENDA, ONE OF THE REASONS WE GOT TO AGENDIZE THIS WAS WE DIDN'T SPEND ANY STAFF TIME ON IT.

SO THAT THAT HELPS US BE ABLE TO DO THIS. SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS COOL, BUT THEY COULD SAY NO BECAUSE YOU'RE SPENDING STAFF TIME ON IT. SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO THREAD THE NEEDLE AND GET A PRESENTATION WITHOUT MORE STAFF TIME.

GREAT. THANKS FOR SAYING WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.

I THINK YOU SUMMED IT UP WELL. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE STAY WITH PHASE I, AND I'M SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO BE OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, FRESH WATER IN THE LAGOON. I DON'T THINK THEY, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE COULD BE WRONG. BUT I'LL SKIP OVER THAT AND I'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE AND I'LL SAY, I DID HEAR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE FINES FOR WATER QUALITY.

SO WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH FINES AND OVERHEAD COSTS AND MAINTENANCE.

AND I'M A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IF WE GO RIGHT TO THE NUVIS PROPOSED PHASE I, THE 2026 PHASE I, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SINKHOLES AND HIGH TIDE DAMAGE TO A LINER AND A CONCRETE BASIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TRADING, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE AND DAMAGE AND SINKHOLE REPAIR FOR WATER QUALITY FINES.

AND THAT AIN'T GREAT. AND I ALSO HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY TONIGHT.

THERE'S STUFF IN PHASE II AND PHASE III, WHETHER IT'S A WAVE POOL OR NOT, IF IT'S JUST FIRE PITS AND VOLLEYBALL AND, YOU KNOW, A NEW PICNIC TABLE. I THINK THERE'S STUFF IN PHASE II AND PHASE III THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE, BUT IT'S HARD TO FIND FUNDING FOR THAT.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE CITY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW THE BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH HAPPENS EVERY MAY OR SO.

THIS YEAR CITY BUDGET'S ABOUT 130 MILLION. AND THE LEFTOVER MONEY THAT PEOPLE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, SPEND ON THEIR WISH LISTS WAS REALLY NOT MUCH THIS YEAR.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS? IT WAS 100 GRAND? 150? AND THERE WERE DIFFERENT NUMBERS ON DIFFERENT SPREADSHEETS.

BUT IT WAS IT WAS A PRETTY SMALL NUMBER. AND IT CAME DOWN TO PEOPLE REALLY WANTING, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE CROSSING GUARD. I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT BROKEN SHOWERS, BUT LIKE A CROSSING GUARD IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A BROKEN SHOWER.

PEOPLE WERE SAYING, HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE GOING TO PRESSURE WASH THE ESPLANADE? IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S DONE 3 OR 4 TIMES A YEAR.

IT'S SIX GRAND EACH. I MEAN, LITERALLY, PEOPLE WERE FIGHTING OVER, NOT FIGHTING, BUT WE WERE WORKING BUDGET ISSUES FOR SIX GRAND.

AND THEN YOU GO TRY TO FIND MONEY. THE LAST BIG PROJECT I REMEMBER IN THE AREA WAS THE NICE PLAYGROUND AT VETS PARK.

THAT WAS 800 GRAND. FINDING 800 GRAND WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, SCRAPPING OVER 100 FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS AND, AND CROSSING GUARDS, IT'S REALLY TOUGH. SO THAT'S WHY WE UNFORTUNATELY LOOK AT SEASIDE LAGOON AND SAY, GEE, YOU KNOW, I WISH I COULD MAKE US SOME MONEY.

SO PERHAPS WHAT WE DO, THIS IS POTENTIALLY A MOTION IS WE SAY ON TOP OF WHAT WE SAID LAST MEETING, WE ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT PLANS FOR SEASIDE LAGOON, WHICH COULD INCREASE REVENUE AND FIND WAYS TO DO THE PHASE II AND PHASE III AND PHASE IV AMENITIES THAT WERE IN THE 2024 HARBOR COMMISSION PLAN FOR SEASIDE LAGOON.

CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT, TOO. YES. AND THEN CHANGED IT, AND NOW IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT WHAT THEY HAVE. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY REDOING WHAT WE DID LAST MEETING, BUT WITH A LITTLE MORE HELP, PLEASE CONSIDER FUNDING MECHANISMS. PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING TO PHASE II AND PHASE III.

PLEASE CONSIDER PLANS LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW, IT IS.

IT IS TRUE THAT THE CURRENT LAGOON AS IT STANDS, WAS CLOSED THE LAST WEEK OF THE YEAR.

IT WAS CLOSED BEFORE LABOR DAY ON WEEKDAYS BECAUSE OF STAFFING ISSUES.

THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. SO IT'S REALLY NOT WORKING AS IT IS NOW.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, FUNDING IS IMPORTANT. ARE YOU SUGGESTING A LETTER? NO, I THINK THEY'RE WATCHING THIS. YEAH. AS A POINT OF ORDER.

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IF YOU WANT TO CRAFT A LETTER AND FORMALIZE YOUR OPINION ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT.

GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WASN'T THE PRESENTATION.

WELL, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION ON ACTION OTHER THAN RECEIVING AND FILING.

RECEIVING? YEAH. JUST TOUCHING ON THAT, WHAT, THAT BRIAN CAMPBELL HAS ALL THIS PLACER AI DATA AND HE'S ALWAYS SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING.

THIS IS NOT STAFF EFFORT. HE'S BEEN WILLING TO DIG IN AND PULL DATA OUT.

THIS IS RIGHT. EXACTLY. BUT I WAS WONDERING WHETHER WE COULD REACH OUT TO HIM.

IS THAT TO ASK HIM TO PULL SOME PLACER AI DATA FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A YEARS WORTH OF STUFF.

TO SEE WHO'S THERE. YEAH. TO SEE WHAT'S, YOU KNOW.

WHAT CONCLUSION WOULD YOU DRAW FROM THAT? I MEAN, IF YOU SAW PEOPLE WERE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

GREAT. WE'VE GOT A GREAT AMENITY. IF YOU SAW PEOPLE WERE NOT COMING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY, YOU'D SAY, GREAT.

IT NEEDS WORK. EITHER WAY. YOU COME OUT SAYING, LET'S IMPROVE IT.

I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S TRUE. IT'S JUST IT'S NICE TO KNOW.

I THINK, YEAH, IT GOES WITH YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU SUGGESTED TO ME TO COUNCIL OF CONSIDERING ECONOMICS, I GUESS BECAUSE YOU WOULD SEE. WE'RE NOT TAPPING INTO ANY POTENTIAL.

YEAH. I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD HEAR GARY'S LETTER.

I GUESS JUST IF I CAN MAKE. AM I ALLOWED TO JUST ASK OR HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STOOD OUT IN THAT BLUE FOLDER ITEM.

NO, IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE WAVE POOL. WE HAVE TO BE REALLY KIND OF THREADING A NEEDLE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVEN THE DESIGN, BUT IN RELATION TO WHAT TO DO WITH THE PLANTS, WE'RE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL. BUT YEAH, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLANTS, WE CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH.

IS THERE SOMETHING ROGER THAT CAME OUT OF THAT OR DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING? I MEAN, I THINK WE ALREADY MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY AT THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? OF WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THEY NOT MOVE FORWARD, THAT THEY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THAT THEY RETURNED TO THE ORIGINAL PHASE PLAN.

THAT'S ON. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW, IS IF WE WANT THEM TO EXPLORE THE WAVE POOL IDEA.

THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. YES. SO IT WAS A LITTLE MORE BROAD.

YEAH. I MEAN, I GUESS I GUESS WHAT I SPECIFICALLY SAY IS, OKAY, ONE MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS.

THIS IS A MOTION, JUST A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EMOTIONS WE WOULD MAKE.

WE RECEIVE AND FILE THIS. AND THEN A SECOND TOPIC.

AND IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE UNDER REFERRALS TO STAFF.

WE SAY TO COUNCIL, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PAYS FOR THE AMENITIES IN PHASE II AND PHASE III AND PHASE IV THAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE WITH INCREASED YEAR-ROUND USE. I WOULD SAY EXPLORE RATHER THAN SEE.

THIS IS A LITTLE IS THERE A WAY TO FIGURE. I'M.

ONE BIG FLY IN THE OINTMENT IS WHETHER THE COASTAL COMMISSION WOULD EVER APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO EXPLORE THAT SOMEHOW.

DO WE KNOW IF. THERE CERTAINLY IS THERE. THERE WAS A COASTAL COMMISSION MEETING IN REDONDO, I WANT TO SAY A YEAR AGO, AND THEY HELD IT WAS IT WAS AT THE ONE OF THE HOTELS IN THE HARBOR, CROWNE PLAZA. I'M LOOKING AT MARC, AS I'M SURE HE'LL REMEMBER.

YES. AND THEY HAD A OPEN HOUSE AFTER WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION.

AND THEY SAID, DON'T BE SCARED OF US. CONTACT US.

START WORKING WITH US. WE'LL FIND A WAY TO SAY YES.

NOT NECESSARILY TO EVERYTHING, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, START WORKING WITH US.

THEIR MISSION IS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO THE OCEAN.

AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING SEASIDE LAGOON FENCED ON A WEDNESDAY IN EARLY SEPTEMBER WHEN IT'S 100 DEGREES OUT, ISN'T REALLY INCREASING ACCESS TO THE OCEAN. FRESHWATER POOL.

I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE, THE CITY NOT ONLY FURTHER EXPLORE ALLEN'S PROPOSAL AS IT WAS PRESENTED BUT ALSO OPEN THE DOOR FOR OTHERS TO SUBMIT IDEAS SINCE SO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC FULLY UNDERSTANDS THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT WAS THE PLAN IN 2024 AND TO WHAT THE PLAN BECAME.

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AND IN THAT DISCLOSURE TIME FRAME, A WINDOW SHOULD BE OPENED FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION OF IDEAS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE A MOTION OF THAT RECOMMENDATION JUST SO THAT IT'S ON RECORD, THAT IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR THEM TO PAUSE AND GIVE MORE TIME AND GIVE US ANSWERS ON THEIR PROPOSAL.

WE'RE ALSO ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER OTHER PROPOSALS AND GIVE US THE TIME TO HEAR THE ANSWERS THAT ARE PRESUMABLY GOING TO BE PRESENTED TOMORROW.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN ONLY MAKE A MOTION, THOUGH, REGARDING THE WAVE POOL.

IS THAT CORRECT? WE CAN'T MAKE MOTIONS TO BRING IN MORE IDEAS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA.

WE COULD MAKE TWO SEPARATE ONES. TO STAFF. THAT WE CAN DO.

YES. AND WITH APPROVAL, WE CAN GET STAFF TIME ON THOSE REFERRALS.

SO SAY WOULD YOU SAY THAT IN A MOTION FOR AND WE'LL VOTE ON IT.

WHAT ARE THE TWO OF YOU CAN. BUT WE COULD DEAL WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, A MOTION ON THIS PROPOSAL THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER IT.

I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT COMES UNDER REFERRALS TO STAFF AT THE END OF THIS.

ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. YOUR TURN. AT LEAST DO A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

I FEEL LIKE WE DID THAT RIGHT. WE DID THAT AT THE START DIDN'T WE? DIDN'T. OH I THOUGHT WE DID.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PRESENTATION BY ALLEN SANFORD TODAY.

I'LL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY.

CHECK. OKAY. SO NOW ON TO THE NEXT PART. IT TOOK US THREE HOURS TO DO THAT.

RIGHT. WE'LL GET THERE. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. WE'LL GET THERE.

SO THEN THAT NEXT PORTION BECOMES A REQUEST FOR STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER WAY TO DO THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE REFERRALS TO STAFF SECTION ANYMORE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM ALL OF THE COMMISSION AGENDAS. WHAT? ALL RIGHT. IT'S COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS.

ALL RIGHT. OH SAME. JUST SORT OF SAME THING. YEAH.

BUT YOU CAN'T JUST. JUST TO CLARIFY THAT WORK CAN'T BE DIRECTED, SO IT CAN'T BE A REFERRAL TO STAFF FROM A COMMISSION.

SO WE JUST CLARIFY THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT MOTION CAN BE MADE UNDER THAT SECTION.

YES. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE SECTION END TO DISCUSS THAT TO DO THAT.

SO DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THAT AT THE END. THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO DO IT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. YES. L.2. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A PUBLIC REQUEST TO ALLOW AMPLIFIED MUSIC ON RECREATIONAL VESSELS IN THE MAIN CHANNEL OF KING HARBOR WITHOUT INDIVIDUAL PERMITS.

YES, SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT CAME UP AT THE AUGUST HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING.

IT WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT, AND YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SO, WE'VE ADDED IT TO THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

OKAY. I FORGET WHO'S WHO IS SPEARHEADING THIS, WHO WAS.

LISTENING. OKAY. IT'S ONE OF US WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN PUSHING FOR THIS.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHY I DON'T. YEAH, WE HAD GOTTEN A BLUE FOLDER ITEM.

OKAY. THAT LAST MEETING, THE MEETING IN EARLY.

AUGUST MEETING. AUGUST? YEAH, THE REGULAR AUGUST MEETING FROM A RESIDENT WHO WAS INTERESTED IN LOWERING FEES FOR MUSIC EVENTS ON THE WATER.

DURING COVID, THERE WERE MUSICAL EVENTS ON BOATS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HARBOR.

I REMEMBER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT SCHEDULING IT, MAKING SURE THAT HARBOR PATROL WAS AWARE OF IT.

YOU KNOW, HARBOR PATROL WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO MONITOR IT. SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME DEMAND ON CITY STAFF COUNTERARGUMENT. WHERE ELSE WOULD HARBOR PATROL BE ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON THEN, YOU KNOW, PATROLLING THE HARBOR AND MONITORING FOR SAFETY. BUT SOME OF THESE, THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE BOAT THERE, LIFEGUARD BOAT AS WELL, SO IT WAS, THESE THINGS HAD AN UNUSUAL DEMAND ON CITY RESOURCES.

THIS LED TO. THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT THESE THINGS WOULD BECOME LESS INFORMAL, LESS SPONTANEOUS, AND BECOME MORE FORMAL. THERE WOULD BE AN APPLICATION TO NOTICE THE CITY FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND PERHAPS EVEN AN INSURANCE WAIVER,

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I ACTUALLY EMAILED HIM AND HE WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A REDUCTION IN FEES SO THAT THIS THING WOULD BE EASIER TO DO AND EASY TO PAY FOR YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO DO WHEN THEY WANTED TO. I CAN.

I'M NOT SURE LIKE WHAT WE DO. LIKE. I THINK WHAT HE WAS, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

I WAS GOING TO SAY. I MEAN, THE LETTER HE SENT DIDN'T ASK FOR A REDUCTION IN FEES.

IT ASKED FOR BASICALLY THE ELIMINATION OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR A PERMIT.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT BECAUSE DURING COVID THERE WAS A, IT WAS ACTUALLY ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS ARRANGING CONCERTS OUT IN THE HARBOR ON A BOAT.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY CAUSING PROBLEMS, I BELIEVE, WITH THE HARBOR PATROL.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE HAPPENING. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE. AND THE CITY PUT A PERMIT PROCESS IN PLACE.

I THINK IT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DO FOR THINGS LIKE BLOCK PARTIES.

AND THERE WAS A PERMIT FEE WITH THAT. AND I REMEMBER AT THE TIME, THERE WAS SOME CONTROVERSY ABOUT IT WITH CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS, WHICH I SAW ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND THERE WAS A RESISTANCE TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 1 OR 2 PERMITS THAT WERE EVER ISSUED.

I DON'T KNOW IF ACTUALLY, CATHERINE, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU WERE AROUND HERE THEN.

BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT IN THE END, BASICALLY, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S HAPPENED OUT THERE SINCE THEN.

AND I THINK, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I THINK THERE WAS A REASON FOR THOSE PERMITS.

THERE WAS A REASON THAT THEY PUT THAT IN PLACE.

AND I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN IN OUR PURVIEW TO CHANGE IT.

SO IN THE LETTER FROM, FROM THE RESIDENT, HE PROPOSES POLICY LANGUAGE, AND HE WANTED US TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AMEND OUR MUNICIPAL CODE THE NOISE REGULATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS UNDER OUR PURVIEW ANYWAY, BY ADDING A NEW SECTION ABOUT AMPLIFIED MUSIC ON RECREATIONAL VESSELS IN THE MAIN CHANNEL OF KING HARBOR. SO Y'ALL PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME BECAUSE IT CAME LATE.

I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE CITY CODE. BOTH THE NOISE PART AND THE HARBOR PART.

AND THAT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WHAT HE WANTS WOULD BE IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO WHAT IS ALREADY IN IN SECTION 12-1, ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE IN THE OUTER WATERS OF THE HARBOR.

THE HARBOR ISN'T A SWIMMING POOL. IT'S A NAVIGABLE WATERWAY.

AND TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO JUST GO OUT WHEN THEY WANT TO AND HAVE A CONCERT FLIES AGAINST ALL OF THE OTHER WAYS THAT THE CITY ALLOWS THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A BLOCK PARTY. YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITHOUT GETTING A PERMIT.

THERE'S PERMITS FOR THE BOAT PARADE. THERE'S PERMITS FOR BOAT RACES, AND THAT'S ALL IN 12-1.203, BOAT RACES AND SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL EVENT UPON THE WATER AREAS OF THE OUTER HARBOR.

I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU DEFINE AMPLIFIED MUSIC.

IF I'M OUT THERE ON ON, I DON'T HAVE A BOAT, BUT IF I HAD A BOAT, IF I'M OUT THERE ON MY BOAT WITH MY ME AND MY WIFE AND MY TWO KIDS AND WE HAVE WHEELS ON THE BUS PLAYING. NO, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BANDS.

BANDS. YES. LIVE, LIVE MUSIC. YEAH. I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE SAID LIVE.

YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY THEN.

YEAH. THEN WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO, TO ADD IN UNDER THE NOISE SECTION. AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO RECOMMEND ELIMINATION OF PERMITS FOR ON THE WATER WITHOUT TALKING TO THE HARBOR PATROL.

I WOULD SEPARATE. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK WHEN I WAS DIGGING INTO THIS, I THINK THE MOST THAT WE WOULD DO WOULD BE A REFERRAL TO STAFF OF LIKE JUST GETTING INPUT FROM HARBOR MASTER AND KIND OF THE SAFETY ASPECTS THAT, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE CODE AND THE VOLUME THAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I'D SEPARATE IT INTO A COUPLE ISSUES. ONE IS DO YOU NEED TO FILE A PERMIT? AND HEY, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE SPONTANEOUS MUSIC, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE UP PART OF THE MAIN WATERWAY,

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YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE DOZENS OF HARBOR PATROL OFFICERS.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TWO ON EVERY SHIFT.

SO THEY NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS COMING UP. SO I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED THE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF SOME KIND OF PERMIT OR SOME KIND OF NOTIFICATION THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS. DO YOU PUT A FEE ON IT OR NOT? PUTTING FEES ON EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, PARKING RATES ARE GOING UP. IT'S REALLY, REALLY TOUGH TO ASK THE CITY TO WAIVE A FEE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, DOES THIS INCREASE, YOU KNOW, SPENDING IN THE HARBOR TO MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BUY ICE AND BEER MAYBE. YOU KNOW, I'D BE WILLING TO ASK ABOUT WHAT FEE IS REASONABLE, A NOMINAL FEE, PERHAPS BE WILLING TO TRY THIS FOR A SUMMER AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

THAT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM, NOT MINE. SO ONE IS, DO WE NEED A PERMIT? I THINK YES. TWO FEES PROBABLY MAYBE SOMETHING NOMINAL.

THE THIRD THING IS THE NOISE FACTOR. THE NOISE FACTOR DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

I'M DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME. AND THERE'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, A LIVE BAND AT KING HARBOR YACHT CLUB.

FREQUENTLY I HEAR THAT. THERE ARE BOATS GOING UP AND DOWN THE CHANNEL PLAYING MUSIC.

SOME HAVE PARTIES ON THEM. HEY, IF YOU GOT TO ACCEPT THAT, THEN YOU KNOW YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THIS TOO.

SO THE AMPLIFIED MUSIC DOESN'T BOTHER ME. THE WORST SOUND TO ME IS THE, IS THE 150-DECIBEL HORN THAT SOMEBODY IS USING AT A RACE FINISH. THAT THAT'S THE LOUDEST NOISE DOWN THERE.

AND THE FOURTH THING IS, IS IT SAFE? YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT SAFE TO HAVE A MIX OF POTENTIALLY SWIMMERS, PADDLE BOARDS AND, AND PROPELLERS IN THE WATER ALLEN MENTIONED THAT.

THAT'S A WAY IN FROM HARBOR PATROL. WE MANAGED TO DO THIS A FEW TIMES.

I WAS TRAVELING AND WORKING DURING THOSE DAYS.

I WAS NOT IN THE HARBOR. I DIDN'T ATTEND ANY OF THESE THINGS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FIVE PEOPLE AND A COUPLE PADDLE BOARDS OR A CROWD OR WHAT? SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR HARBOR PATROL SAY, YOU KNOW, THEIR OPINION OF IT.

WAS IT MANAGEABLE? WAS IT AWFUL? WAS IT SOMETHING YOU NEED MORE STAFF FOR? IS IT SOMETHING YOU NEED A BUOY LINE FOR? YOU KNOW, NO PROPELLERS ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUOY LINE? I DON'T KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN KIND OF A TOUGH SPOT AND NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, FULL SUPPORT FROM THE CITY.

I THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE WE TALK TO HARBOR PATROL AND GET THEIR INPUT.

THE SAFETY FACTOR IS THE REAL DECIDING ONE. IF HARBOR PATROL COMES AND SAYS, OH HELL NO.

HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT. IF HARBOR PATROL COMES AND SAYS, YEAH, IT WAS MANAGEABLE, LET'S TRY IT AGAIN ONCE.

THEN MAYBE YOU TRY IT AGAIN ONCE WITH, YOU KNOW, A NOMINAL FEE.

YOU KNOW, $0.02 FROM THE GUY LEAVING. I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE PERMITS.

IF NOTHING MORE, IT PREVENTS THEM FROM BEING MULTIPLE.

ON ANY GIVEN DAY YOU HAVE COMPETING FLOATING VENUES.

I ALSO THINK HAVING A FEE IS IMPORTANT. A, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT IT GIVES CITI SOME MONETARY BENEFIT, I THINK THAT IT GIVES PEOPLE A VESTED INTEREST IN ACTUALLY FULFILLING.

I'LL GET A PERMIT. SURE. WHY NOT? AND THEN MAYBE I DON'T USE IT THAT DAY AND IT PREVENTS SOMEBODY ELSE FROM USING IT.

SO I THINK THAT IT'S A PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS KIND OF THING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF OUR TIME WE SHOULD DEVOTE TO THIS.

IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMISSION TO KNOW THE NOISE VARIANCE PERMIT IS $83.

83. I MEAN, IT'S CHEAPER THAN A TICKET TO A CONCERT.

YEAH. IT'S CHEAPER THAN ONE DAY AT BEACHLIFE.

ONE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ADD. I JUST LOOKED UP NOISE ORDINANCES AND DIFFERENT LOCALITIES AS WELL AS OUR OWN.

HERE 4-24.301 DISALLOWS NOISE CREATION ABOVE THE STANDARD OF THE RECEIVING LAND.

AND I THINK SO HERE THEY'RE RECEIVING LAND AS MOONSTONE PARK AND RESIDENTIAL MOONSTONE.

A PARK LAND IS RECEIVING LAND IS 45 DBA AND RESIDENTIAL 60 DBA.

SO IT SAYS YOU CANNOT EXCEED RECEIVING LAND LIMIT PLUS 20DB.

SO RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD BE 80. AND FOR THE PARK THAT WOULD BE 65.

SO KIND OF AT ODDS THERE WITH THE 90 THAT WAS REQUESTED.

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I SAW 60 TO 65 DBA AT THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE WATER'S EDGE WITH PERMITTED HOURS GATHERING BANS SOMETIMES LESS THAN 60 DBA IF IT'S NEXT TO RESIDENCES, PARKS OR QUIET ZONES.

YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT ON THAT. ANYBODY WANT TO POSE ANY ACTION ON THIS.

PUBLIC COMMENT. I MEAN YEAH, ANYBODY IN THE IN THE PUBLIC? ANYBODY ON ZOOM? I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE ARE NO HANDS RAISED IN ZOOM.

THERE ARE TWO ECOMMENTS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING THIS WITHOUT PERMITS.

2 ECOMMENTS OPPOSED TO. ALLOWING MUSIC, AMPLIFIED MUSIC ON.

OKAY, SO THERE'S TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.

YES. GOT IT. OKAY, GENTLEMEN. OKAY. SO THE MOTION.

WELL, LET ME DISCUSS THE MOTION. ONE OF YOU OR A WORKING GROUP, A SUBCOMMITTEE TALK TO OUR NEW HARBOR MASTER.

I DON'T THINK THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE.

YEAH. I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST PROPOSE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE NO ACTION.

RIGHT. BUT DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION? I THINK WE JUST TAKE NO ACTION. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR. WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM WE SHOULD DO. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU DISCUSS THE ITEM, THE RECORD WOULD SHOW THAT YOU DECIDED. THAT'S FAIR. AND THEN WHEN THE HARBOR MASTER COMES NEXT TIME TO TALK FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE COULD ASK. AS PART OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY. IF IT COMES UP IN THE REPORT, WE COULD ASK HIM IF WE LIKE, IF IT'S SOME OTHER LITTLE. I LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT.

SO CONTINUE. SO, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE THAT WE TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. GREAT.

WHERE'D I GO? THE NEXT ONE IS FISHING. YEAH. OKAY, L.3, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDENTIFYING DESIGNATED FISHING AREAS IN THE WATERFRONT. TO KICK THIS OFF.

SURE. YES. SO I THINK AFTER LOOKING AT THIS AND LOOKING AT WHAT'S ONLINE, THAT WE COULD BE DOING A BETTER JOB.

I MEAN, I THINK IT IS TOUGH RIGHT NOW TO FIGURE OUT LEGAL PLACES TO GO FISHING IN THE PIER.

WHAT MAKES IT TOUGH, DO YOU THINK? JUST A LACK OF.

WELL, THERE SHOULD BE INFORMATION ON THE WEB, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GUIDE PEOPLE AND TO WHAT IS LEGAL.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SIGNAGE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS HERE.

YEAH. SO, THE CITY CODE HAS THE CITY MANAGER. SORRY, THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DEFINE WHERE THE FISHING, ALLOWABLE FISHING AND PROHIBITED FISHING AREAS ARE.

SORRY. TAKE SPECIAL ATTENTION TO UNIQUE AREA OF OUR CITY TO PERFORM THIS DUTY WELL AND HIGHLIGHTS.

OH, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO STATE IN THE RECORD, SINCE THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR POSITION WAS NOT REFILLED, THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT AUTHORITY, AND IT TAKES SPECIAL ATTENTION TO A UNIQUE AREA OF OUR CITY TO PERFORM THIS DUTY WELL AND HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF WHY MAINTAINING A STRONG WATERFRONT DEPARTMENT AND WATERFRONT DIRECTOR IS IMPORTANT, VERSUS LUMPING IT INTO RECREATION AND PARKS BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUENESS.

I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL IF THE CITY HAD A MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE WE'RE NOT.

AND I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY LIKE CATEGORIES THAT COULD MAKE IT MORE BLACK AND WHITE OF DEFINING WHERE IT'S ALLOWABLE AND WHERE IT'S NOT.

SO I DID, I DIDN'T WALK THROUGH EVERY LITTLE PART OF EVERY MARINA, BUT YESTERDAY I WAS WALKING FROM THE HERMOSA BORDER SOUTH AND TO THE PIER. AND I THINK SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WERE THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF SIGNAGE.

THERE IS SIGNAGE AT THE END OF MARINA WAY, IF YOU GO TO THE END OF THAT CUL DE SAC, THERE'S ONE SIGN, IT SAYS, YOU CAN FISH HERE AND YOU CAN'T FISH HERE.

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THERE'S THEN NOTHING GOING DOWN TO THE OUTRIGGER CANOES.

SO PEOPLE WILL FISH RIGHT WHERE THOSE BOATS ARE GETTING IN AND CAUSING PROBLEMS, INCLUDING ON THE DOCKS, I SAW PEOPLE. THEN THERE'S PROBABLY SIGNS IN MARINAS, BUT NOT IF YOU'RE A TEENAGER, THERE'S LIKE, IT'S HARD TO FIND A SIGN THAT SAYS DON'T FISH IN THE MARINA.

SO THERE'S THAT. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE END OF PORTOFINO WAY ALONG THAT BREAKWALL FACING THE MAIN CHANNEL, THERE'S NO FISHING, BUT THEN AS SOON AS IT CURVES IN FRONT OF CRAB, THE CRAB SHACK AND THIS LAGOON PRESUMABLY FISHING IS ALLOWED BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIGNAGE THERE.

AND THAT CONTINUES ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE, WELL, JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BOAT HOIST, THEN THERE'S AGAIN SIGNS THAT SAY YOU CANNOT FISH THERE.

SO I THINK THERE'S JUST A LACK OF SIGNAGE AND THERE'S NO MAP IN THE WEBSITE.

AND THEN I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING WOULD BE AS PART OF THE AUTHORITY GIVEN BY THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR, I'M WONDERING IF THAT PART OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIES STAKEHOLDERS THAT HELP IDENTIFY WHERE IT'S SAFE AND NOT SAFE TO FISH.

THAT WOULD HELP THEN TO UPKEEP OF WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE SIGNAGE.

THAT'S MY UPDATE. OKAY. I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT. SO ACTUALLY WHEN THIS CAME UP LAST MONTH, I ACTUALLY TOOK A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY TAKE A WALK AROUND THE MARINA.

AND I ALSO DID LOOK AT THE LAW. I THINK I THINK WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS IS THAT FISHING IS PROHIBITED, EXCEPT IN AREAS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FISHING AREAS.

AND SO I INTERPRET THAT TO MEAN UNLESS THERE'S A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS YOU CAN FISH THERE, YOU CAN'T FISH THERE.

THE ONLY SIGN I FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE MARINA THAT ACTUALLY THERE ARE TWO OF THE PERMITTED FISHING WERE THE ONE YOU REFERRED TO.

THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER ONE THAT'S SORT OF HARD TO FIND. IT'S ALMOST IT'S RIGHT AT THE END OF WHERE LANAKILA IS.

AND SO BETWEEN THOSE THAT SIGN AND THE SIGN THAT'S BASICALLY HALFWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF MARINA, WAY DOWN AT THE END OF MOLE B IS THE ONLY AREA THAT I THINK YOU'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO FISH IN THE ENTIRE HARBOR.

AND IF I TAKE IT LITERALLY, THAT WOULD INCLUDE MEANING I CAN'T FISH OFF THE BACK OF MY BOAT. I CAN'T FISH OFF FISH IN THE MIDDLE OFF OF A KAYAK OR SOMETHING HERE.

WHEN I WALKED AROUND, THE ONLY OTHER NO FISHING SPECIFIC, NO FISHING SIGNS I FOUND WE'RE OUT IN FRONT OF PORTOFINO, WHICH I SUSPECT PORTOFINO REALLY PUT THERE OR INSISTED ON.

AND THERE WERE SIGNS ABOVE THE ENTRY GATES ON THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK, AND I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE SIGNS.

THERE WAS ONE OTHER SIGN THAT WAS AROUND TOWARDS WHERE WHAT IS THAT? BASICALLY, JUST EAST OF THE MEXICAN RIVIERA CANTINA.

OTHER THAN THAT, AT THE TIME, THERE WAS NO OTHER SIGNAGE.

NOW, I DID NOTICE THIS WEEKEND THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY RECENTLY PAINTED NO FISHING AND SWIMMING THINGS ALONG THE EDGE OF THE RAILINGS FOR THE DOCKS, AT LEAST IN KING HARBOR MARINA.

AND IN FACT, I ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL A COUPLE OF KIDS THAT YOU CAN'T FISH THERE. POINT OF THE SIGNS. FORTUNATELY, I WAS ABLE TO POINT AND GO YOU CAN GO FISH OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A MOONSTONE PARK. SO THAT SEEMS TO BE AWFULLY RESTRICTIVE ON WHERE YOU CAN FISH.

YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING LIKE A WHAT, A 200-YARD PORTION OF THE ENTIRE HARBOR WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO FISH.

SO, I THINK THERE I'M HAPPY WE PUT IN MORE SIGNAGE BECAUSE THE LACK OF SIGNAGE, I THINK IS A BIG ISSUE.

ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LOOK DOWN AT THEIR FEET TO SEE EXPECTING TO DEFINE THE SIGN THERE. SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US OPEN UP MORE. YOU KNOW, THE AREA YOU MENTIONED ALONG THE SPLASH WALL TO THE WEST OF SEASIDE LAGOON.

I DID SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE FISHING THERE, BUT I THINK TECHNICALLY IT'S SINCE THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC, ALLOWS THEM TO FISH, I THINK THEY PROBABLY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. YEAH. YOU DO SEE THEM STANDING UP ON THE SPLASH WALL, WHICH ARE SPECIFICALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. YEAH, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF WHAT WE DO IS BASED ON COMPLAINT, NOT PREVENTION. SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET CHASED OFF THE DOCKS, BUT NO ONE'S CHASING THEM OFF THAT SECTION OF BREAKWALL BECAUSE NO ONE REALLY HAS THE SAME, YOU KNOW, OWNERSHIP OF IT. I'LL ADD THAT I'VE SEEN NO FISHING SIGNS, SMALL ONES ON THE RAILINGS IN THE

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BUT I AGREE, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GO JUST TO PROVIDE A RELIEF VALVE.

SO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE AREA ALONG MOLE B ALONG MOONSTONE PARK WAS OKAY.

I HAD THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS NOT OKAY FOR FISHING BECAUSE SO MANY TIMES WE'VE DISCUSSED ISSUES WITH A BOAT RAMP THERE OR WITH IMPROVING LANAKILA LAUNCH THERE AS INTRUDING ON THE MAIN CHANNEL.

HEY, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN FISHING THERE AND I THINK GENERALLY PEOPLE KNOW NOT TO GO TOO CLOSE TO THAT AREA WITH A BOAT OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.

SO IT'S KIND OF ACCEPTABLE BY TRADITION TO ME TO BE USED TO IT, TO HAVE IT BE OKAY THERE.

AND SO SIMILARLY, YOU KNOW, PORTOFINO PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT IT IN FRONT OF THEIR AREA.

AND THEY OWN THAT LEASEHOLD. SO, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT WE COULD SAY FISHING AROUND PORTOFINO EVENT CENTER IS OKAY. I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

MAYBE WE DO. MAYBE THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR DOES.

I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING MORE TO THE EAST OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU GOT THE EVENT CENTER THERE AND THEN TO THE EAST OF THAT.

SO BASICALLY TO THE EAST OF THAT AND WHERE THE LAGOON IS.

YEAH, I MEAN, I GOT TO SAY FISHING OFF, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE HOW FISHING OFF THAT CORNER AND, AND REACHING OUT INTO THE HARBOR IS THE PLACE YOU'D WANT TO BE.

SO, IF YOU SAID, HEY, YOU'RE OKAY, YOU KNOW, 20FT FROM THE CORNER, BUT NOT AT THE CORNER, YOU'D HAVE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE SNEAKING DOWN TO THE CORNER AND REALLY NO WAY OF ENFORCING IT.

I MEAN, I SUPPOSE THE WATER BASED ON THE RULES WE WROTE THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR CAN.

WATERFRONT DIRECTOR IS THE LEASEHOLDER, THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR IS FROM THE CITY, AND THEY CONTROL THE LEASE AND THEY CAN SAY, HERE'S WHERE THERE'S FISHING AND HERE'S WHERE HERE'S WHERE THERE ISN'T. SO WE COULD OPEN IT UP ALONG THAT SECTION OF MOLE C.

AND LIKE YOU, I READ THIS AND I'M SURPRISED, LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN'T FISH FROM A BOAT IN THE HARBOR.

EXACTLY. YEAH. NOW HOLD ON. SO I WENT TO THE STATE SITE AND LOOKED AT WHAT THEY HAD AND THEN WENT TO US TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN FOUND NO MAPS ANYWHERE. S, THEN I JUST STARTED LOOKING FOR ANYTHING.

AND THERE ARE FISHING SITES. CALIFORNIAFISHINGHUB.COM, FISHINGBOOKER.COM, BLOG.

AND THEY TALK ABOUT WHERE TO GO TO FISH IN REDONDO BEACH.

AND THERE ARE THREE PLACES. THE PIER, THE BREAKWATER, THE BEACH, AND A CHARTER.

4 PLACES, AND A CHARTER BOAT. SO, I WOULD ASSUME IF YOU COULD DO IT ON A CHARTER BOAT, YOU COULD DO IT ON YOUR PRIVATE BOAT.

BUT AS FOR DOING IT FROM THE LAND IN HARBORS GENERALLY, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE STATE ALLOWS THAT EXCEPT FROM PIER, PUBLIC PIERS AND JETTIES AND BREAKWATERS.

I WOULDN'T ASSUME THAT A CHARTER BOAT, IF YOU CAN DO IT ON CHARTER BOAT, YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL BOAT. YEAH.

CHARTER BOATS, INSURANCE RULES. I'M SURE THEY SAY YOU CAN PICK UP A CHARTER BOAT.

ONE SITE SAID THAT. WAS THAT CODE OR JUST A FISHING COMMUNITY SITE? THOSE ARE FISHING COMMUNITY SITES, BUT I ALSO.

YEAH, THIS. TECHNICALLY, YOU CAN'T GO ON THE BREAKWALL.

WELL, THAT WAS A CONFLICT BETWEEN OUR SIGNAGE ON THE BREAKWALL AND THE ACTUAL STATE LIST OF WHERE YOU CAN FISH FOR FREE IN REDONDO BEACH, WHICH IS THE REDONDO BEACH PIER AND THE KING HARBOR BREAKWATER.

AND I SAID, WELL, HOW CAN YOU FISH ON THE BREAKWATER IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE BREAKWATER? YEAH, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SIGN THERE, BUT I COULDN'T FIND THE SIGN YESTERDAY. WELL, THERE, THERE USED TO BE A SIGN THAT SAID NOT.

IT DIDN'T SAY YOU COULDN'T FISH. YOU HAD TO GO OUT THERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE. BUT THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN FISH OUT THERE FOR FREE WITHOUT A LICENSE.

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RIGHT. YOU GET IN TROUBLE FOR BEING IN THERE, BUT YOU DON'T GET IN TROUBLE FOR FISHING.

SO THEY CAN ONLY BUST YOU FOR THE ONE THING, NOT THE SECOND THING. I DON'T KNOW NOBODY.

NOBODY ENFORCES THAT BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE THAT'S FEDERAL AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT POLICING FEDERAL PROPERTY.

SURE. BUT THAT WAS LISTED AS LEGAL FISHING. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

WHAT DOES? RIGHT. SO, IT KIND OF SEEMED LIKE IN REDONDO THAT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE PIER OR THE BREAKWATER, AND THAT WAS KIND OF IT.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF. IF ANY DIRECTOR HAS EVER SAID, IS THERE SOME DOCUMENT SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS THERE WAS SOME DECISION MADE BY THE DIRECTOR WHO'S IN CHARGE THAT HERE AND HERE AND HERE YOU CAN FISH.

I COULDN'T FIND IT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE REASON.

WHERE IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO. LIKE, WHERE WOULD THEY PERMIT IT TO? HOW OLD IS THIS DECISION? OH. SO, YEAH, I SAW IN MUNICIPAL CODE 12-1.315.

YEAH. IT SUGGESTS THERE'S A MAP. WELL, JUST THE FACT OF THE LANGUAGE IN THERE WOULD SUGGEST THERE WAS A MAP AND THAT THAT WAS A, THE TIME OF 20. APRIL 23RD, 1998, WHEN THAT PART OF THE CODE GOT UPDATED.

AND SO YEAH, FOR SLEUTHING. YEAH, GO BACK TO APRIL 23RD, 1998, AND MAYBE THERE'S A MAP OF WHAT WAS ENVISIONED AT THAT TIME WHEN THIS CODE GOT UPDATED.

OKAY, WHAT SORT OF POSSIBLE ACTION DO WE WANT? YEAH. BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TRY AND EXPAND FISHING IF IT WAS POSSIBLE.

I MEAN, IF THERE WAS AREAS WHERE IT WAS SAFE, I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW.

WHO DO YOU TALK TO ABOUT THAT? YEAH. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE REFERRALS TO STAFF.

WELL, I THINK I THINK YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING FISHING.

THERE'S NO OVERHEAD CASTING BUT PEOPLE OVERHEAD CAST.

SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S BEHIND WHEREVER YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.

WELL, YEAH, I THINK. WHEN I WAS DOING THIS, I WALKED RIGHT BEHIND THE CRAB SHACK AND I ALMOST GOT HIT BY SOMEONE OVER.

YEAH. NOW, THERE USED TO BE, THERE USED TO BE SKIFFS FOR RENTAL SO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO FISH IN THE HARBOR, YOU. I DID IT. YOU COULD RENT A SKIFF AND JUST GO OUT, OUT OF THE CHANNEL, YOU KNOW, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CHANNEL WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE THE LIVE CONCERTS. REQUIRES SIGNIFICANTLY MORE INVESTMENT.

AND, WELL, YOU JUST. YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO CAPTAIN ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

WELL, THE KIDS CAN'T DO IT ON THEIR OWN, WHEREAS NOW.

THEY'VE HAD THEIR BIKES DOWN TO THE PIER AND THEY THROW IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE, WAS THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE KIDS THAT ARE COMING DOWN, AND WE HAVE POLICE NOW KIND OF GETTING INVOLVED, SO. AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT WHAT I WOULD ARGUE IS PROBABLY THE MOST TRAFFICKED PLACE IN REDONDO IN THE HARBOR AREA IS WHERE FISHING IS PERMITTED. SO, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OVERHEAD CASTING, BUT IN THE IN THE ACTUAL PIERS WHERE FISHING IS ALLOWED. SO WE'RE NOT THAT CONCERNED.

BUT IT'S OBVIOUS WHERE THE FISHING IS. AND IF YOU'RE WALKING THE PIER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.

AREN'T THEY ACTUALLY SET DOWN? NO, THEY'RE ALONG THE.

THERE'S, THEY'RE LINED UP ALONG THE RAILING. YEAH.

AND THEY'RE NOW ON BOTH SIDES OF IT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK IF WE DON'T EVEN KNOW EXACTLY WHERE FISHING IS PERMITTED, THE PUBLIC SURE AS HECK DOESN'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.

SO I THINK THE FIRST THING IS BETTER EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC.

AND THAT CAN START ON THE CITY WEBSITE OF HAVING A DEFINED MAP, HAVING SOME DEFINED RULES THAT ARE POSTED AND VISIBLE.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST IN WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED FOR, SO. YEAH, LIKE NO FISHING IN THE MARINAS, NO.

WE HAVE THAT NOW. I'M SAYING LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE ON THIS WEBSITE? LIKE IN BROAD STROKES? WELL, THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK IT UP BECAUSE, BECAUSE ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THE ONLY PLACES THAT FISHING IS ALLOWED ARE THE BREAKWATER AND THE, AND THE PIER AND THE BEACH.

WELL, AT THE END OF MOLE B, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL YOU A ZONE.

IT JUST SAYS HERE. YES, HERE NO, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL YOU HOW FAR DOWN THERE ARE.

THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SIGNS THERE. YOU MAY HAVE MISSED.

ONE OF THEM. TELLS YOU WHERE IT STOPPED? THERE'S A SIGN WHERE IT STARTS AND THERE'S A SIGN WHERE IT STOPS.

IT SAYS. OH, IN LIKE IN FRONT OF MOONSTONE? IT'S LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY SORT OF IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY HAVE ACTUALLY FALLEN DOWN AND SOMEBODY JUST PUT IT BACK UP.

OKAY. BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGN THERE. IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE MAYBE TEN FEET INSIDE WHERE LANAKILA STARTS.

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AND THEN THERE'S ONE. AND THEN BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF MARINA WAY AT THE END OF MOLE B THAT SAYS YOU CAN FISH ALL, YOU KNOW, FISHING TO THE SOUTH OF THIS SIGN. OKAY, SO SOMEWHERE IN HERE.

YEAH. OKAY. SO I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DECIDE WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY WITH A LOT OF KIDS FISHING MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHATEVER THE SITUATION WAS IN 1998.

AND SO WE NEED TO SOLVE TODAY'S PROBLEM TODAY.

YEAH. AND IF WE WANT THERE TO BE A RELIEF VALVE AND A LITTLE MORE FISHING LEGAL IN A FEW SPOTS OR A FEW SPOTS WHERE YOU CAN SEND PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING THEM, NO, THAT'S GREAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S I KNEW IT WAS LEGAL ON THE PIER.

IT'S GOOD TO KNOW IT'S LEGAL IN MOONSTONE PARK.

THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS MAP.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT'S LEGAL.

POTENTIALLY WE ADD IN FRONT OF JOE'S CRAB SHACK FOR NOW.

YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT ALLOWED. SO BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

WE CAN'T JUST SAY THERE'S NO SIGNAGE THERE. THERE'S NO SIGNAGE.

I LIKE IT MAKES THE BEND. ON THE PART ON THE LINE WHERE IT SAYS MOLE C, IT SAYS NO FISHING, BUT AS SOON AS YOU TURN THE CORNER, THERE'S NO SIGNS CURRENTLY.

WHICH WOULDN'T MAKE ME THINK THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN FISHING IS ALLOWED.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY IS FISHING NOT ALLOWED IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND WHY IS IT ALLOWED IN CERTAIN AREAS? ONCE WE KNOW THAT, I THINK THEN THE A, A RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ACTION WE CAN TAKE. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T. WELL, THE ACTION WE COULD TAKE IS MAKING A SUGGESTION TO THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR THAT FISHING BE ALLOWED IN THESE AREAS. YES, WE COULD ALSO, YOU COULD MAKE A SUBCOMMITTEE IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT IT FURTHER OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR ABOUT OPENING UP AREAS FOR FISHING.

THE INFORMATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS AFTER TALKING WITH HARBOR PATROL AND OUR CURRENT POLICE ABOUT WHERE IT IS ALLOWED, AND IT'S REALLY BASED ON SAFETY AND NOT HAVING PEOPLE OUT ON ROCKS, AND THEN NOT HAVING PEOPLE IN THE BUSY AREAS OF THE PIER OR THE WATERFRONT.

AND THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN TODAY. SO, LOSING, YOU ALL MENTIONED TALKING ABOUT THE SPORTS FISHING PIER AND LOSING THAT LAST TIME.

THAT WAS A BIG LOSS TO THE FISHING. BUT FOR THE REST OF IT, IT'S THIS IS KIND OF HOW IT'S BEEN OUT THERE.

AND IT'S BEEN BECAUSE OF SAFETY, KEEPING PEOPLE OFF OF THE ROCKS, KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THE BUSY AREAS AND TRYING TO KEEP IT TO SPECIFIC AREAS.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANY OF THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE HAS CHANGED SINCE 1998.

I DON'T HAVE THE 1998 MAP, SO I'M NOT SURE. BUT YOU ARE ALL ARE ALL ALLOWED TO LOOK AT IT AND EXPLORE.

IF THERE ARE SAFE AREAS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE DIRECTOR LOOK AT.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BREAKWALL WHERE THERE'S OPENINGS, AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE A FEW STEPS DOWN AND GO ON THE ROCKS.

DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT'S EVEN THERE? IT'S INVITING.

BECAUSE IT SAYS GO AT YOUR OWN RISK OR SOMETHING.

ACTUALLY, THERE USED TO BE SIGNS ON EITHER SIDE THAT HAVE ALL BEEN REMOVED.

ANYONE KNOW. I ALWAYS ASSUMED IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE.

LIKE IF YOU WENT DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SLIPPED OFF THAT WALL ONTO THE ROCKS AND YOU WERE OKAY AND YOU WERE STILL WALKING, YOU'D WANT TO GET BACK. OH, IT'S A SELF-RESCUE.

YEAH. BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WALL THAT TRAPS WAVES LIKE.

YEAH. THERE YOU ARE. YEAH. YEAH. AND YEAH, THERE'S NO SIGNS THAT EACH OF THOSE THINGS NOW THERE, THERE USED TO BE CITY SIGNS THAT ARE GONE. WELL, DO WE WANT TO FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND DO SOME RESEARCH AND DO SOME LOOKING INTO AND REPORT BACK, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAP, SAY, OH, LET'S TRY TO PUT IT HERE. LET'S TRY TO PUT IT THERE.

WE NEED MORE INFO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TONIGHT.

YEAH. SO I'M WILLING TO BE A PART OF A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT EXPLORES THAT MORE.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO JOIN ME ON THAT. BUT I JUST FOR WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS FOR THAT.

HOW DO WE FORM SUBCOMMITTEES? WE JUST DO IT. DO WE NEED STAFF? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, HAVE AT IT. FANTASTIC.

I DON'T FISH AT ALL. I HATE FISHING. I LIKE THINGS ON MY PLATE WITH BUTTER, SO.

BUT I DON'T LIKE KIDS FISHING BY MY BOAT. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE FORMATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE TO DO FURTHER RESEARCH AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS FOR EXPANDING FISHING IN THE HARBOR AREA.

AND I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. GREAT.

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SITTING OVER HERE. OH, OKAY. YES. OKAY, GREAT.

THERE YOU GO. TABLE THIS FOR NEXT MONTH? YEAH, SURE.

NOT AT THE MOMENT. NO, IT'S NOT ON THIS. TABLE IS FOR NEXT MONTH.

YEAH. OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. GOOD IDEA. YEAH.

THAT'S A GOOD. THAT'S A GREAT OPTION. AGENDA THEN FOR THE.

IS THAT THE ONE THING WE CAN DO? YEAH, WE CAN DO IT FOR NEXT MONTH.

DO WE HAVE A BUSY MEETING NEXT MONTH? THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEETING EVERY MONTH.

GUYS! COME ON. WE HAVE IT THIS YEAR. WELL, WE CAN APPROVE THE FORMATION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, RIGHT? AND. RIGHT. SO WE GOT THROUGH THAT, AND THEN WE CAN SAY THAT NEXT MONTH WE'LL FORM IT.

WE'LL FORM IT. OKAY, SO CAN I MOVE THAT? WE TABLE THIS TILL NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE'LL SHOW UP ON ITEMS CONTINUE FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS? YES. YEAH. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. ACTUALLY, SHOULD WE SHOULD WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS TOO OR.

YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT'S ALSO LEGAL, SO.

YEAH. YEAH. NOW'S YOUR CHANCE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, GUYS.

JACOB MARK. YEAH. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THE KHA, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THIS TOPIC NOW, I THINK. KATHERINE, YOU GUYS ARE VERY, VERY AWARE.

SO, WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL THE MARINAS TO IDENTIFY THESE AREAS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A MAP. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO, I THINK THAT CAN DEFINITELY BECOME A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, KHA IN COLLABORATION WITH MAJESTIC, PORT ROYAL, PORTOFINO.

AND WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY. EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ON ZOOM OR ANY COMMENTS? NONE. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE FISHERMEN HAVE ALL GONE TO BED BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO GET UP EARLY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO L.4. L.4. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO FILL AN APPOINTMENT BY THE VARIOUS HARBOR COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEES TO BE VACATED BY COMMISSIONER ROGER CARLSON UPON THE END OF HIS TERM.

I GET TO ABSTAIN. WELL, FIRST YOU REMIND EVERYBODY WHICH ONES YOU'RE ON.

OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I HAVE IT. I CAN PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. SEE IF YOUR LIST. COULD YOU, COULD YOU.

THANK YOU. I HAD ONE DIFFERENCE FROM THIS. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.

I HAD THAT YOU HAD ALSO JOINED DRY VOTE, NO? ME? YEAH. I HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

I HAVE NO. WELL, I THINK THAT WE HAD MEETINGS BEFORE YOU WERE ON, BUT I THOUGHT YOU REPLACED JIM LIGHT ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.

I WON'T TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT. EXCUSE ME, CHAIR, IF I MAY JUST JUMP IN.

SURE. SINCE YOU DO HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER JOINING YOU NEXT MONTH WHO MAY HAVE SOME INTEREST.

OH. YOU SUPPOSE? YEAH. LET'S TABLE THIS BAD BOY.

YEAH. THERE WE GO. WE'LL SLAP THAT PERSON INTO EVERY.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE IN THAT CHAIR. YEAH. HIS IDEA.

OKAY, I'LL GIVE IT TO HIM. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

WELL, MY ONLY QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT COMMISSIONER ABELMAN WAS ALREADY ON THE DRY BOAT STORAGE ONE.

I, AT SOME POINT WRITTEN THAT IN MY NOTES HE HAD REPLACED JIM LIGHT.

CAN I, CAN I. MAYBE COMMISSIONER FALK. WHERE DID SHE GO? SHE'S DONE. SHE WENT HOME. SHE'LL BE RIGHT. MAYBE SHE FELT HIS POSITION, AND I JUST WROTE IT DOWN WRONG.

WOULD IT BE OUT OF ORDER FOR ME TO PROVIDE A TWO-SENTENCE SUMMARY OF WHERE MESSED UP DRY BOAT STORAGE STANDS? IT'S NOT AGENDIZED. HE DIDN'T DO THAT NOW. IN THAT CASE, WOULD I GET FIRED? ONE COMMISSION. I MEAN, YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE WAY OUT, BUT I WOULD GET IN TROUBLE.

SO IF YOU COULD PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK TO STAFF, WE CAN SHARE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ITEM MIGHT GET PUSHED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL PROVIDE WRITTEN FEEDBACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY, GREAT. IF I CAN'T WORK ON MY LAST MEETING. COMMISSIONER, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, THEN IT'S ONLY THE SEASIDE LAGOON COMMITTEE THAT'S BEING VACATED BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR THE BOAT LAUNCH.

WELL, I THINK I I'M CURRENTLY THE ALTERNATE FOR THE BOAT LAUNCH.

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THAT WOULD. MAKE SENSE THAT YOU'RE THE ALTERNATE.

YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER THAT. OKAY. WE'RE TABLING THIS ANYWAY, RIGHT.

SO COMMISSIONER FALK DO YOU RECALL IN MAST UP DRY BOAT STORAGE SUBCOMMITTEE.

DID YOU REPLACE JIM LIGHT OR. YOU DON'T REMEMBER? I MUST HAVE. OKAY, THEN I THINK MY NOTES PROBABLY JUST WRONG.

YOU WERE JUST LIKE SOMEBODY OVER THERE. I USED TO BECAUSE I USED TO SIT ON THAT SIDE.

IT WASN'T ME. OKAY, SO WE'RE TABLING THIS. OKAY, SO? SO, WE COULD VOTE ON THE BOAT LAUNCH SUBCOMMITTEE AND TABLE THE OTHER THREE.

SURE. THAT'LL BE MY RECOMMENDATION. DOES THE BOAT LAUNCH COMMITTEE STILL EXIST? YEAH. OR IS IT OR IS IT? I THINK IT SHOULD BECAUSE, YEAH, THERE'S MORE COMING UP THERE TO HAVE IT, NOT NEED IT TO NEED IT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGN. YEAH.

WHICH IS GOING TO GO TO PARKS AND REC. AND TORRANCE.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. OH YEAH. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY WANT DOES ANYBODY ON ZOOM.

THERE'S NO. YEAH. NO. I WAS GOING TO OPEN UP A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE NEVER DEALT WITH WHY WE GOT TO WHERE WE GOT TO ON SEASIDE LAGOON.

BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CONVERSATION.

DON'T OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS AGAIN. OKAY. SO.

DOES ANYBODY ON ZOOM CONCERNED WITH THIS SUBCOMMITTEE? NO. NO HANDS IN ZOOM, NO ZOOM. GENTLEMEN. MARC? OKAY. SO THEN SO I WOULD MOTION THAT WE MAKE ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER COLLER, A MEMBER OF THE BOAT LAUNCH SUBCOMMITTEE TO REPLACE OUTGOING COMMISSIONER CARLSON. I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? VERY WELL STRUCTURED.

THAT WAS NICE. I MOTION THAT WE TABLE THE FILLING OF THE REMAINING THREE SUBCOMMITTEE, SUBCOMMITTEES AT COMMISSIONER CARLSON IS ON UNTIL NEXT MEETING. JUST TWO. JUST TWO.

TRUE. OH YOU'RE RIGHT. DRY BOAT STORAGE AND SEASIDE LAGOON.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SO JUST TO CLARIFY THEN THE MOTION WAS ABOUT THE TWO, NOT THE THREE.

YOU HAD AN OBJECTION TO THE SEASIDE LAGOON ONE.

NO, I WAS JUST I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT.

THE SEASIDE LAGOON ONE DOESN'T I DON'T KNOW AS MUCH RELEVANCE THESE DAYS.

NO, NO. IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT. YEAH. IT'S KIND OF ALL RIGHT.

DO WE VOTE? THAT WAS OKAY. IT'S KIND OF TOO LATE, BUT I HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THE BOAT LAUNCH ONE, BECAUSE JAKE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH COMMERCIAL BOATS GOING PAST WHERE THE BOAT RAMP IS GOING TO BE.

I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY ALTERNATE YOU CAN BE ON NEXT.

I MEAN, SURE, WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT. YEAH.

CHANGE IT TO YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. WE DISCUSSED IT WHEN WE WERE TABLING THIS.

WE CAN JUST BRING IT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH.

THAT'S TRUE. WE CAN SORT OF REVISIT ALL THE COMMITTEES AT THE NEXT MEETING AND SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DO THE OLD SHELL SWITCHEROO.

SO RATHER THAN MAKING THIS. YEAH. GO AHEAD. WHAT'S THE HOW DO WE SCRAP MY LAST MOTION? I THINK YOU KEEP IT AND REASSESS EVERYTHING AND WE'LL COME BACK ANYWAY.

OKAY. YEAH. AND NEXT MEETING, DISCUSS ALL THIS.

YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION THAT WE MADE ORIGINALLY WILL NOT IMPEDE US FROM REVISITING THE BOAT LAUNCH COMMISSION NEXT MONTH.

CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. M, ITEMS FROM STAFF. WELL, I DO WE WANT TO PROVIDE COMMISSIONER CARLSON A MOMENT TO SAY ANYTHING, SINCE WE CAN DO THAT AT THE END.

WE ARE GOING TO GIVE HIM A MOMENT. ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT A FEW MORE MINUTES, MAYBE.

WELL, I WAS REALLY TOUCHED THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP FOR THIS. BUT THAT WAS. NO THANK YOU.

IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. I WAS REALLY TOUCHED WHEN, WHEN BILL BRAND CALLED ME UP, I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT HE WAS OFFERING ME A SEAT ON HARBOR COMMISSION.

I REMEMBER MENTIONING IT TO MARK AND HE WAS LIKE, WOW, BOY.

YOU KNOW, LIKE HARBOR COMMISSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION ARE THE BIG ONES. YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO START OUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WORK UP TO IT.

SO IT'S REALLY BEEN AN HONOR TO BE HERE. AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A GREAT EIGHT YEARS TIME TO DO IT.

WHEN WE STARTED ON THIS SENATOR CAL HAD EVERYTHING GRIDLOCKED BECAUSE SENATOR CAL WAS PUSHING THE BOAT RAMP OUT OF THE MOLE D AREA, AND THAT BOAT RAMP COULD WIND UP ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE HARBOR.

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AND WE HAD MANY, MANY CANCELED MEETINGS AND WE HAD REALLY LIGHT AGENDAS.

SOME OF THE THINGS I'M PROUDEST OF ARE THE GETTING THE AMENITIES PLAN DONE COMING OUT OF CENTER. CAL, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS SAYING WE NEED A MASTER PLAN.

AND WE DID THAT. AND I THINK IT STILL HOLDS UP.

AND WE KNEW WE WANTED TO GET A LOT OF IT DONE.

I HOPE A LOT OF IT DOES GET DONE, THE WAYFINDING AND SOME OF THE LITTLE STUFF AND SOME OF THE BIGGER STUFF.

I REMEMBER PEOPLE SAYING WE REALLY NEED TO GET A BASE HIT.

MAYBE IT'LL BE MOONSTONE PARK, MAYBE IT'LL BE SEASIDE LAGOON DIDN'T QUITE DO EITHER OF THOSE.

BUT THE OVERALL FRESHENING UP OF THE WATERFRONT AREA, YOU KNOW, SEEING THE PEOPLE COME DOWN FOR THE LAST BOAT PARADE.

SEEING THE AMOUNT THAT THE SOUTH END OF THE HARBOR GOT ACTIVATED.

IT WAS REALLY GREAT. ANOTHER THING I'M REALLY PROUD OF IS GETTING THE BOAT RAMP THERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE COMPROMISED. IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH. EVERYTHING IN THIS HARBOR IS. ANOTHER THING I'M REALLY PROUD OF IS WHEN WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH THE SAND DREDGED OUT OF THE HARBOR.

I'M DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THE COUNTY DOING THE SAME THING.

THEY DID. THE BAD TIME WITH MARINA DEL REY COMING AGAIN.

AND YOU KNOW I'M NOT DEAD. I'M. I'LL CONTINUE TO FIGHT THAT AND GO, MAYBE I'LL HAVE MORE TIME TO GO TO SOME COUNTY MEETINGS AND DO WHAT I CAN ABOUT THAT.

I ALREADY SAID A LITTLE PIECE ON BUDGET MEETINGS. PAY ATTENTION DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT THE MOST DONE FOR US WAS US PAYING ATTENTION TO THE BUDGET PROCESS KIND OF GOT PASSED OVER THIS YEAR, BUT SENDING SOMEONE FROM THIS COMMISSION TO THE BUDGET MEETINGS REALLY HELPED US GET, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE WANTED ALL EIGHT YEARS. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT JAKE IS A REPLACEMENT FOR ME.

YOU KNOW, HE'S IN THE HARBOR AND ON THE WATER EVERY DAY. HE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BRING A LOT OF FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TAKEN HIS GLASS BOTTOM BOAT TOURS.

HE LOVES REDONDO AND REDONDO HISTORY. LOOK AT HIS WEBSITE.

YOU KNOW, HE LOVES REDONDO HISTORY AS MUCH OR MORE THAN ANYONE I KNOW.

SO HE'LL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE COUNCIL OR TO THE COMMISSION.

WHEN I FIRST MET JAKE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS HE SAID TO ME WAS WHEN HE DISCOVERED I WAS A HARBOR COMMISSIONER WAS WE GOT TO GET THE FUN FACTORY BACK.

HE WAS HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL STUFF OR BOATING OR ANYTHING ELSE.

AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY MISS THE FUN FACTORY HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A LOW COST, AFFORDABLE THING THAT FAMILIES COULD DO.

NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME DOWN TO THE HARBOR AND, YOU KNOW, SPEND 20 BUCKS ON A CRAFT BEER AND, YOU KNOW. WELL, I DO. THAT WAS THE VIEWPOINT I BROUGHT.

BUT HAVING JAKE AS A AS A REDONDO FAMILY GUY WILL BRING A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAN I COULD TO THIS.

SO I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE HIM COME IN AND BRINGING THAT PERSPECTIVE, NOT JUST AS A, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, BUT ALSO AS A, AS A FAMILY GUY, YOU KNOW, A GUY WHO'S GOING TO BRING HIS KIDS TO THE SEASIDE LAGOON OR THE FUN FACTORY OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER HAPPENS NEXT. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT JAKE JOINING AFTER ME.

SO THANKS A LOT. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I THINK I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US WHEN I SAY WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU BEING.

RIGHT OUT THERE NEXT TO MARK. WHO'S WRITING THESE LETTERS.

BUT SOMEONE'S GOTTA WRITE. WON'T MISS ME ANYMORE.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT. YOU WILL BE MISSED. THANKS.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING YOU, SIR. OH, SURE. LIAISON'S REPORT.

[M. ITEMS FROM STAFF]

WE THEY'VE. WE'VE SUBMITTED THE FIRST MEMO TO COASTAL COMMISSION OUTLINING WHAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED WITH THE EXISTING LCP.

AND THE TEAM HAS ALSO STARTED THE SEA LEVEL RISE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT LAST WEEK AND EXPECTING TO HAVE THAT DRAFT READY FOR COASTAL COMMISSION REVIEW IN OCTOBER.

AND ONCE WE GET THE DRAFT SUBMITTED, WE'LL REVISE IT BASED ON THEIR COMMENTS.

NEXT THE BASIN. IS IT BETTER IF WE ASK QUESTIONS DURING THIS OR DO WE WAIT TO THE END OF YOUR SECTION OR THE NEW END? IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE? IT DEPENDS.

SO IF YOU WANT CLARIFYING POINTS, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. WE CAN'T HAVE FULL DISCUSSIONS, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THERE ISN'T. SO IF YOU WANT CLARIFYING POINTS IT'S FINE TO CHIME IN NOW.

BUT IF YOU HAVE THINGS THAT LEAD TO YOU MAKING LIKE YOU WANT TO AGENDIZE SOMETHING FOR LATER.

YEAH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF I WANT TO AGENDIZE SOMETHING, LEAVE IT TO THE NEXT THE NEXT ITEM.

OKAY. O KAY, THE BASIN, THREE SLIPS AND DOCK INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS OUR HUD GRANT, AND WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS, AND WE DO HAVE OUR PATH FORWARD. WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH TWO SEPARATE SCOPES. SO WE WILL BE SOLICITING QUOTES FROM VENDORS IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO THAT WE CAN GET STARTED ON THOSE PROJECTS TO TAKE PLACE OVER WINTER TIME WHEN

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THE BREAKWATER REPAIR PROJECT, THE NEWEST UPDATE THAT WE HAVE FROM THE ARMY CORPS, IS THEY ARE EXPECTING THE PROJECT TO COMPLETE BY THE END OF OCTOBER.

NEXT WEEK THEY WILL BE MOVING TO THE MIDDLE OF THE BREAKWATER.

THEY ALSO DIDN'T REPORT ANY KIND OF MAJOR ISSUES FROM THE STORMS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING. SO THAT'S GREAT NEWS. AND WE CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM WEEKLY TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THEIR UPDATES AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE. SEASIDE LAGOON AS WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, THE PROJECT WILL BE ON THE SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA. THAT AGENDA IS POSTED ALONG WITH THE REPORT.

FUN FACTORY. SO THE FUN FACTORY IS WE HAVE THE EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT WITH LEVEL UP BOWL AND BISTRO, AND THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THEIR DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, WHICH GOES THROUGH THE END OF OCTOBER.

SO IT IS THE BALL IS IN THEIR COURT RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR WORK ON THE SITE.

MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER. SO THEY ARE IN THEIR FUNDRAISING PERIOD FOR THE CENTER.

THEY HAVE BROUGHT ON A PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, SO STAFF HAS MET WITH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM.

WE'VE DONE A SITE WALK. WE'RE DISCUSSING UTILITIES, AND THEY ARE STARTING TO CONDUCT SOME OF THEIR OWN SITE WORK, INCLUDING GEOTECHNICAL WORK OUT THERE ON THE JOE'S CRAB SHACK SITE.

AND NOT ON THE REPORT, BUT SINCE BOAT LAUNCH CAME UP TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT APPLICATION IS IN THE REVIEW PROCESS WITH DBA, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE WON'T HAVE AN UPDATE UNTIL JANUARY, BUT WE ARE STILL VERY MUCH IN THAT APPLICATION CYCLE.

FOR SOME OF THE WATERFRONT LEASING. SO, WE DID APPROVE A NEW PIER PLAZA LEASE IN AUGUST, AND WE'VE APPROVED THE TERMS FOR TWO NEW LEASES IN SEPTEMBER.

SO, IN OCTOBER WE SHOULD BE WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN THE LEASES ARE EXECUTED, WILL BE AT THE 81% OCCUPANCY RATE FOR PIER PLAZA.

SO THOSE ARE ALL ON THE TOP SECTION IN THE OFF THE.

YEAH, THE OFFICE COMPLEX AREA. A FEW OF THE OTHER JUST ANNOUNCEMENTS.

I'VE EMAILED ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER ORIENTATION AND TRAINING.

THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE DOES ENCOURAGE ALL OF COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND THAT.

IT'S ON SEPTEMBER 29TH AT 6 P.M.. AND PLEASE RSVP DIRECTLY TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

PLEASE SEND ME YOUR CURRENT MEMBERSHIPS FOR ORGANIZATIONS IN THE WATERFRONT.

AND THEN LOOKING AHEAD TO THE LAST WEEKEND OF THE MONTH, WE HAVE THE PIER ASSOCIATION CAR SHOW ON SEPTEMBER 27TH, WHICH TAKES PLACE ON THE PIER, AND THE KING HARBOR ASSOCIATION'S OCTOBERFEST ON SEPTEMBER 26TH AND 27TH.

SO THAT'LL BE A GREAT WEEKEND IN THE WATERFRONT.

LOOKING AHEAD TO NEXT MEETING, WE WILL TALK. WE WILL NEED TO ELECT THE NEW CHAIR AND THE NEW VICE CHAIR.

AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE COMMISSIONS THAT WE'LL BE DOING AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS? THERE IS NO VOTING FOR THE CHAIR TODAY.

THAT'S AT THE NEXT MEETING. NEXT MEETING? YES.

GOT IT. YES. WELL, THE MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER, WILL THE EDUCATION SUBCOMMITTEE BE GETTING TOGETHER AGAIN ON JUST KIND OF WHAT'S ENVISIONED THERE AND WITH RESPECT TO THE AMENITIES PLAN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO I BEING NEWER, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WATERFRONT EDUCATION CENTER SUBCOMMITTEE WAS TASKED TO LOOK AT OR WHEN IT WAS TASKED TO LOOK AT, SO. THIS, THERE IS MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER IS IN THEIR OPTION PERIOD, AND AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE LEASE NEGOTIATIONS. SO THAT PROJECT WOULD NEED TO GET A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

IT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH PLAN CHECK. IT WOULD COME TO YOU ALL AS VOTING AS THE BODY THAT RECOMMENDS IT TO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT. SO, IT WAS TOM WAS ON IT.

COMMISSIONER ABELMAN WAS ON IT. AND THEN VICKY AND JIM THAT ARE NO LONGER HERE.

THIS WAS IN 2022. I GUESS I WAS THINKING MORE LIKE JUST KIND OF CIRCLING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS LIKE GRAND. THERE WAS LIKE THAT BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF LIKE TRYING TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES AND THEN OR EDUCATION FACILITY AND THEN THE AMENITIES PLAN INFORMING IT. AND NOW THAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY HONING IN ON MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER, JUST MAYBE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE CIRCLING BACK ON LIKE, LOOK, FEEL PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT THAT FITS IN LINE WITH THE AMENITIES PLAN AND ANY GUIDELINES THAT MIGHT INFORM LIKE BUILD OUT THAT HELP MAKE IT THAT REAL COMMUNITY AND TOURIST KIND OF PARTNERSHIP.

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SO IF THE PROJECT DOES MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE TO BRING THEM IN TO GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

WE'RE JUST STILL NOT AT THAT PHASE YET OF IT, BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD, WE COULD BRING TO REOPEN THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PROJECT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO ADD AT LEAST ONE MEMBER.

WELL, I GUESS THERE'S NO MINIMUM, BUT THERE'S TWO RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE TO. YEAH. THANKS. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE LCP AMENDMENT? YES. SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE ALREADY SENT A MEMO TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION ABOUT THE REVIEW OF THE EXISTING LCP.

AND YOU'RE WORKING ON A DRAFT DOCUMENT TO BE SUBMITTED IN OCTOBER.

CAN THIS COMMISSION SEE BOTH OF THOSE? BECAUSE THIS COMMISSION HAS WORKED A LOT WITH WATERFRONT DEPARTMENT AND CONSULTANTS ON SEA LEVEL RISE IN THE PAST, AND THIS COMMISSION ESSENTIALLY SERVES THE SAME ROLE AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PROJECTS IN THE HARBOR AND KEEPING THIS COMMISSION INFORMED OF SEA LEVEL RISE ISSUES AND THE CITY'S PLANS AROUND IT IS KIND OF THE JOB.

YEAH. SO THE FIRST ONE IS JUST THE INITIAL REVIEW OF ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS.

BASICALLY, IT'S THE VERY FIRST DELIVERABLE IN THE PROJECT TO IDENTIFY WHAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED THROUGH THIS AMENDMENT.

SO THAT'S JUST GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT DATA UPDATES OF THE DIFFERENT YEARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO THAT'S REALLY JUST A REVIEW OF WHAT IS EXISTING. THE SEA LEVEL RISE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT IT IS BEING DONE BY MOFFATT AND NICHOL WHO DID OUR SEA LEVEL RISE FOR THE BOAT LAUNCH STUDY.

IT WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR COASTAL COMMISSION'S REVIEW, BUT THEN THERE ARE STILL ADDITIONAL REVIEWS, SO I CAN CERTAINLY CHECK IN ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR THAT. YEAH, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD SEE THAT DRAFT IN OCTOBER JUST AS A AWARENESS.

WELL, WE WOULD BE COLLECTING THE COASTAL COMMISSION'S COMMENTS BACK AND THEN WORKING ON REVISING THEIR COMMENTS, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALSO ACCEPTABLE TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

YEAH, NO, I KNOW IT'S NOT DONE THEN, BUT IS THERE NOT AN ABILITY TO SEE THAT DRAFT? I WOULD NEED TO CHECK AT WHAT TIME WE WOULD WANT TO BE SHARING THE DRAFT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING COASTAL COMMISSION'S INTENT FOR THAT DOCUMENT. OKAY. BUT YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.

THERE WAS A TIME WE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR DREDGING THE HARBOR, AND THIS COMMISSION DIDN'T SEE IT, AND WE ENDED UP HAVING TO SUBMIT COMMENTS DURING AN OPEN SESSION, AN OPEN COMMENT SESSION. AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS.

ALSO ALONG THOSE LINES, AND I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE STICKY, BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE SEASIDE LAGOON SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN SUDDENLY A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF HAPPENED WITHOUT THAT, THE SEASIDE LAGOON SUBCOMMITTEE EVEN BEING THERE WAS NO COORDINATION OR ANY DISCUSSION.

AND THEN IT GOT BROUGHT BACK HERE. AND I'M JUST REVIEWING THAT AS KIND OF LIKE, WHY WAS.

WHY DID IT GO DOWN THE WAY, YOU KNOW, TO PREVENT IT FROM.

TO ME, THAT WASN'T OPTIMAL. I'LL SAY IT WASN'T THE BEST.

I THINK IT WOULD HAVE WENT SMOOTHER. HAD THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN BEEN INVOLVED, RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE STRAYING A BIT FAR FROM WHERE WE ARE IN THE MEETING TODAY.

OKAY. I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS. I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT TRENCH.

SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS INCORRECT.

I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO STRAY A LITTLE BIT. ALL RIGHT.

LISTEN. YEAH. THAT'S YOUR JOB I THINK. BUT WE DO HAVE THE SEASIDE LAGOON.

WE DO HAVE THE THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.

NEXT MONTH. OKAY. SO MAYBE WE CAN STRETCH THAT SILLY PUTTY A LITTLE THINNER THEN.

OKAY. I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THE ANALOGY OF SILLY PUTTY.

SO I'M FINE WITH THAT. IF THERE IS A CONVERSATION THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE BEYOND JUST APPOINTING PEOPLE TO SUBCOMMITTEES TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL. YEAH. YEAH. WAS THIS NOT IF WE. BECAUSE OH, AS IT STANDS, ALL WE'RE DOING IS APPOINTING PEOPLE AND THAT'S IT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE GOT TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA. I SEE. SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE SECTION AND WE CAN ADDRESS THESE THINGS APPROPRIATELY. OKAY. SO DOES THERE NEED TO BE A MOTION TO HAVE DISCUSSION OF.

WE HAVE GOTTEN DISCUSSION IN THE SESSION. WE'RE STILL IN THE LIAISONS REPORT.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HIJACK THE REPORT.

SEASIDE LAGOON DISCUSSION. OKAY. I'M SORRY. PLEASE CONTINUE.

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[N. COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS]

RIGHT. OKAY. SO THERE WERE WHO WANTS TO. THERE WAS ONE.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THE TALK ABOUT YOUR OPEN THE COMMISSIONS UP FOR DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.

THE COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEES ARE ONLY UP FOR VOTE.

THEY'RE NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.

WE GOT AN AGENDIZE, SO WE COULD GET ON THE AGENDA.

HOW? I MEAN, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE FORMALIZED, FOR INSTANCE, FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE, IF THERE IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS TASKED WITH CARRYING A PROJECT FORWARD AND THE POWERS THAT BE DECIDE THAT IT'S GOING TO MOVE AND GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, IT SHOULD BE MORE FORMALIZED, IS WHAT I'M THINKING, SO THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THIS. THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. YEAH. SO LET'S PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. YES.

SO IS THAT IS THAT A MOTION OR. SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN THAT ITEM.

I MEAN. SO, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT ALL THE OLD AGENDAS, LIKE ON THE LAGOON IN PARTICULAR.

AND EVERY MONTH IT SAID THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO, TO THE SEASIDE LAGOON SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEN IT WILL COME BACK TO HARBOR COMMISSION MONTH AFTER MONTH AFTER MONTH THAT WAS STATED.

AND THEN ALL WE WERE TOLD IS IT'S IN THE ENTITLEMENT PHASE, IT'S IN THE ENTITLEMENT PHASE, AND IT NEVER CAME BACK TO US. RIGHT. THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT ON ANY BOAT RAMP AND ANY OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES.

BUT IN THE CONVERSATION, LIKE, I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT WILL WE TALK ABOUT OTHER THAN LIKE, HEY, CITY STAFF, YOU SHOULD NOT DO THAT. THIS CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE AGENDIZED.

SO I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE JUST CAN'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE THIS ISN'T SO IF.

I JUST SAID NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME.

YES. YEAH, SO MAYBE UNLESS I MOVE. THEN WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION THEN ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YES, I MOVE THAT WE AGENDIZE HOW WE, HOW SUBCOMMITTEES AND, AND THEIR EFFORTS THAT THEY'RE TASKED WITH ARE HANDLED AND THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS IN THE COMMUNICATION LOOP.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO GET LONG WINDED.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. A DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON HOW THEIR FUNCTION ESSENTIALLY.

I LIKE THAT. YOU WANT TO CONCISELY RESTATED FOR THE RECORD.

I'M HONESTLY GOING TO DO IT. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH.

I WAS THINKING I WOULDN'T JUST SAY SUBCOMMITTEES. I WOULD SAY ISSUES.

WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON HOW ISSUES RELEVANT TO HARBOR COMMISSION KEEP HARBOR COMMISSION INVOLVEMENT, HOW HARBOR COMMISSION REMAINS INVOLVED IN TOPICS UNDER THEIR PURVIEW.

THERE WE GO. IS THAT OVERLY, OVERLY BROAD? THAT'S OVER.

SORRY, GUYS. IT'S A LITTLE TOO VAGUE I THINK.

IT'S ALSO HARD TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WHEN THE COMMISSIONS ARE TASKED BY THE COUNCIL TO BE INVOLVED ON SPECIFIC THINGS IN THE HARBOR.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. BUT WHEN THE. I'LL BE BLUNT.

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO, FIRE ME? WHEN THE COUNCIL GOES OFF IN A DIRECTION AND SPENDS 2 MILLION, OR ALLOWS 2 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO BE SPENT ON SOMETHING THAT COMMISSION CAN WEIGH IN ON AND SAVE MONEY ON.

IT'S IN COUNCIL'S INTEREST AND TAXPAYER INTEREST FOR THE SEVEN EXPERTS THAT THE COUNCIL HIRED REMAIN INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. THE COUNCIL IS SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT BY NOT KEEPING US INVOLVED IN THINGS LIKE THIS.

YOU GIVE YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE A SWIMMING POOL IN THE HARBOR TO PARKS AND REC, AND THEY DON'T KNOW ALL THE SEA LEVEL RISE STUFF WE DO.

AND I ASK A QUESTION IN THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES THAT THREATENS THE WHOLE PROJECT.

THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO I'M MAKING IT BROAD, BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, IT FEELS KIND OF LIKE A BROAD TOPIC WHERE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE KEEP GETTING A PAT ON THE HEAD AND BEING TOLD IT'S AN ENTITLEMENT.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

AND THEN WE DISCOVER THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A DOCUMENT GOING OFF TO COASTAL COMMISSION THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN.

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SO LET'S, LET'S GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, EVEN IF IT'S NARROW, WE CAN ALWAYS EXPAND IT IN A FUTURE MEETING.

BUT LET'S AT LEAST, I THINK DEAL WITH THIS. I THINK WE START SMALL, RIGHT? AND I'M LITERALLY LOOKING FOR IS JUST MORE COMMUNICATION, RIGHT? IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

IT WOULD BE GOOD THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION NOW, WHICH WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING, RIGHT? WE JUST WANT. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS TO GET THIS TO A MOTION THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SYNTHESIZES WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY WITHOUT HAVING TOO MUCH DISCUSSION ON IT.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I MOVE THAT WE AGENDIZE THAT THINGS THAT ARE IN THE HARBOR COMMISSION'S PURVIEW THAT WE ARE TASKED WITH HANDLING THAT, THAT IS RESPECTED AND IS AND, AND WHEN YEAH, IT'S RESPECTED ESSENTIALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

ON THE HARBOR COMMITTEE'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMISSION'S INVOLVEMENT IN HARBOR.

THE WORDS MANAGE AND PURVIEW ARE KIND OF TRICKY THERE THOUGH, ARE LEFT FOR INTERPRETATION.

YEAH, THEY ARE. YEAH. I'M NOT TRYING TO STEAL YOUR MOTION.

MAKE YOUR MOTION. NO, NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO. NO. I'M STRUGGLING. PLEASE.

PLEASE TRY. I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS. THIS IS A STICKY.

IN A DIFFICULT MOTION. SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW TO.

AGREE WITH THIS. I'M WORKING ON IT. I'M TRYING.

I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SENTENCE. I'M JUST WONDERING.

I SEE ELIZABETH'S SORT OF OVER THERE. THIS IS MORE A CITY COUNCIL ITEM THAN A HARBOR COMMISSION ITEM.

AND PERHAPS THE BEST THING WAS THAT IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S I, AGAIN, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO, FIRE ME? I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT YEAH, YEAH NOT REALLY.

I FEEL A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. AND I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION AND A CONSENSUS RATHER THAN ONE PERSON GOING TO COUNCIL. WE SHOULD AGENDIZE IT, DISCUSS IT AND GET A CONSENSUS AND SEND A MESSAGE TO COUNCIL.

SO THE MOTION I WOULD MAKE WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A DISCUSSION OF HARBOR COMMISSION'S ROLES IN HARBOR AREA AFFAIRS, AND MAKE IT PURPOSELY BROAD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

I'M SORRY. IF IT'S AND IF IT'S OKAY, LET'S GET IT ON THE AGENDA.

WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT, IF NOTHING ELSE.

AND AT THE END OF THAT, MAYBE IT'S NOTHING. OR MAYBE YOU AT LEAST SEND A SIGNAL TO COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, WE THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM AND THINGS ARE A LITTLE DYSFUNCTIONAL.

I HOPE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND THIS ONE, WE'VE ALREADY SENT THAT, BUT. SO WAS THAT A MOTION THAT YOU JUST MADE? YES. I MOVE THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF HARBOR COMMISSION HARBOR COMMISSION'S ROLES IN HARBOR AREA ISSUES.

SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. ABSTAINING.

I OPPOSED. OKAY. SO PASSES. DID YOU OPPOSED? I OPPOSED.

I OPPOSED, WE CAN DISCUSS WHY AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THERE WAS ONE MORE THAT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0? OH YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO. WELL, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TWO MORE.

ONE IS WHAT WE DO WITH SEASIDE LAGOON 20, PERHAPS BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

AND ONE IS IF WE SEND ANY MESSAGE TO COUNCIL REGARDING WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, BECAUSE ALL WE DID WAS RECEIVE AND FILE.

IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THIS THAT THE SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0 WILL BE MOOT AFTER TOMORROW'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

COULD VERY WELL BE, SO. I ALSO WOULDN'T MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION BECAUSE.

RIGHT. NO, NO, NO, BUT I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK THERE'S HARM IN IN GIVING 2.0 TIME TO PRESENT AS WELL, I WAS GARY OST. IS THAT HIS NAME? I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY DO A BUNCH OF WORK WHEN THE DECISIONS ALREADY BEEN MADE.

BUT AS WE'VE SEEN, DECISIONS CAN BE UNMADE AND UNDONE.

SO LET'S SAY AFTER TOMORROW IT IS MOOT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN SIX MONTHS FROM NOW IT'S STILL RIGHT.

SO I THINK THAT IT'S DUE DILIGENCE OF THE COMMISSION.

WE HEARD ONE PROPOSAL. I THINK WE SHOULD HEAR THE OTHER THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

SO I WOULD I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AGENDIZE A PRESENTATION REGARDING SEASIDE 2.0.

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WHAT IF WE ADD TO THAT MOTION, ASSUMING THAT TOMORROW'S NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING DOESN'T SEND, DOESN'T CLOSE THE ISSUE? AND I CAN PUT THAT MORE CLEANLY.

BUT AS A DISCUSSION ON YOUR MOTION. WHAT IF IN TOMORROW NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING.

IT'S DONE. IT'S OVER. THEY'RE DOING THE 2026 PHASE ONE ONLY PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT'S GETTING SENT OFF FOR ENTITLEMENTS.

IT'S STILL NICE TO HEAR THIS. STILL NICE TO HAVE IN THE BACK POCKET. WE HAVE IT AS A BLUE FOLDER ITEM. YEAH, BUT I THINK. IT IS KIND OF A MOOT DISCUSSION.

WELL, NOT IF IT COMES UP WITH WAYS TO MAKE MONEY TO CONTINUE WITH THE OTHER.

PHASES YEAH. THEN IT'S YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IT STILL HAS POTENTIAL TO HAVE VALUE EVEN IF THEY DO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THEN I THINK THERE'S STILL POTENTIAL VALUE IN IT. WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WELL SAID.

SORRY. I RETRACT MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND ALLOW YOUR MOTION TO STAND.

I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, WAIT, WAIT. DID SOMEBODY OPPOSE THAT? NO.

SHOULD I HAVE ABSTAINED? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I VOTE FOR IT, THEN. SORRY. YOU DON'T NEED TO ABSTAIN.

YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A QUESTION. ME? YEAH. NO.

I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? I GOT ONE LAST ONE. YEAH, I MEAN, I HAD SOME.

GO AHEAD. I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME. GO AHEAD. OKAY.

SO I HAVE A REFERRAL TO STAFF FOR TOMORROW NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING.

I WAS READING MEASURE C AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN CITY CODE.

SO TITLE TEN. CHAPTER FIVE, DIVISION SIX. THIS IS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING SECTION. DIVISION SIX, SECTION 10-5.1117 DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SECTION I UNDER THAT IS THE SECTION ON SEASIDE LAGOON REGIONAL PARK.

AND THE FIRST SENTENCE SAYS THE OPEN SPACE AT SEASIDE LAGOON REGIONAL PARK ACTUALLY ACCESSIBLE AND USABLE BY THE PUBLIC FOR WATER ORIENTED RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES SHALL BE EXPANDED. PERIOD. CITY LAW SAYS SEASIDE LAGOON SHALL BE EXPANDED.

OUR 2024 PLAN DOES THAT BECAUSE WE TOOK OVER THE AREA OF THE TURNING CIRCLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED A TURNING CIRCLE ANYMORE.

YOU CAN DRIVE INTO THE PARKING LOT TO DROP YOUR KIDS OFF.

OTHER PLANS MAY DO THAT. ALLEN'S PLAN COULD. MR. O'S PLAN COULD. THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH, THE CURRENT 2026 PHASE ONE ONLY REDUCED SCOPE CITY PLAN DOES NOT EXPAND THE USABLE AREA OF THE PARK.

OKAY. SECOND SENTENCE IF EXPANSION OF THE PARK'S ACREAGE, INCLUDING BOTH THE LAND AND THE WATER FACILITY, IS SHOWN TO BE ECONOMICALLY INFEASIBLE UNDER ANY SITE PLANNING OR PROJECT DESIGN ALTERNATIVE, THE OPEN SPACE, ACTUALLY ACCESSIBLE AND USABLE BY THE PUBLIC FOR WATER ORIENTED RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, SHALL BE FULLY PRESERVED AS AVAILABLE ON MEMORIAL DAY 2016.

SO YOU SNAP A CHALK LINE AROUND MEMORIAL DAY 2016.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO KEEP. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO EXPAND IT, YOU GOT TO KEEP WHAT YOU HAD IN 2016, INCLUDING THE SALT WATER SANDY BOTTOM SWIMMING FACILITY.

NOW WE GO ON. OR IF SHOWN TO BE REQUIRED FOR WATER QUALITY PURPOSES, A REPLACEMENT SWIMMING FACILITY OF AT LEAST EQUIVALENT WATER SURFACE AREA, THE SANDY BEACH, THE VOLLEYBALL COURTS, THE SHOWERS, THE RESTROOM FACILITIES AND CONCESSION BUILDING, PICNIC AND BARBECUE AREA, PLAY EQUIPMENT AREA AND LUAU SHELTER. SO YOU GET TO GO SHALLOWER AND FRESH WATER AND NOT SANDY BOTTOM.

IF IT'S A WATER QUALITY ISSUE, YOU DON'T GET TO DO THAT.

IF IT'S A BUDGET ISSUE AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SPLIT HAIRS IF IT'S A BUDGET ISSUE.

WE HEARD FROM NOBLE THAT IT WAS A BUDGET ISSUE.

THEY SAID WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. THEY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS A WATER QUALITY ISSUE AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. SO MY REFERRAL TO STAFF IS, IS THE CITY PROPOSED SEASIDE LAGOON PLAN IN VIOLATION OF MEASURE C AND CITY CODE.

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THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. FOR STAFF TO NOTE. AND FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM OUR CONSULTANTS, FROM THE DESIGN SO FAR AND FROM THOSE WHO HAVE ASSESSED IT, INCLUDING THE AUTHOR OF MEASURE C, IT IS MEASURE C COMPLIANT. OKAY. THANKS. I HAD A FEW THINGS. JUST A COMMENT ON THE LAGOON. I DID LOOK AT THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW.

SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT SUMMARIZED THE MOTION WAS A LITTLE SHORTENED AND SOME NUANCES MISSED.

SO I DID SUBMIT A BLUE FOLDER ITEM. BUT ONE KEY THING WAS IT DIDN'T STRESS THAT WE RECOMMENDED A GRANT EXTENSION REGARDLESS OF DESIGN BECAUSE IT'S A GREEN LIT SCHEDULE.

IN KIND OF THE IDEA THAT A DEMO OF A 65 YEAR OLD FACILITY WON'T UNCOVER ANY UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS IS HIGHLY OPTIMISTIC.

I HAD. ARE YOU ABLE TO COMMENT ON WHY THE IDEA IN THE MODIFIED PHASE ONE OPENS UP THE SAND BY PUTTING A REMOVABLE FENCE.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THAT SAME THING CAN'T BE DONE TODAY.

I CAN'T WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT SHE CAN ASK IT NOW TO BE ANSWERED NEXT TIME.

OKAY. THAT WOULD NOT BE YOU JUST SAYING YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE CAN'T HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT. WE CAN'T DIALOG ANYMORE IN THIS SECTION.

NO. DID SOMETHING HAPPEN IN LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL OR MUNICIPAL CODE THAT CHANGED THAT BETWEEN LAST MONTH AND THIS MONTH OR.

WELL, I JUST PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF AND GUIDANCE BEFORE IT WAS STILL REFERRALS TO STAFF FOR SOME REASON, ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO TO COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS.

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE BEEN TRACKING CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL, NOT AT THIS COMMISSION IN PARTICULAR, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO HOW MUCH WORK CAN BE DIRECTED TO STAFF IF WORK CAN BE DIRECTED AT ALL, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CLARIFICATION THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS CHANGE CAME FROM.

AND SO I THINK PERHAPS STAFF IN THE WATERFRONT DEPARTMENT WASN'T ADVISED OF THAT CHANGE.

AND SO THIS SECTION IS REALLY MEANT FOR US TO RECEIVE FROM YOU AND FOR YOU TO PICK TOPICS THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WORK ISN'T ASSIGNED TO STAFF IN THIS SECTION AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE DISCUSSION IN THE SECTION EITHER BECAUSE IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION ITEM.

OKAY. YEAH. I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING BEING ON THIS COMMISSION FOR SIX YEARS WAS IT WASN'T LIKE IT'S A REFERRAL, BUT YOU HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES. AND JUST BECAUSE WE REFER SOMETHING, IT MIGHT GET LOOKED AT NEXT MONTH, IT MIGHT BE A YEAR, IT MIGHT BE THREE YEARS, LIKE WHATEVER. IT'S JUST A REFERRAL, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PRIORITIZATION.

I THINK A LOT OF THE REFERRALS TURNED INTO RECEIVING FILES.

YEAH. BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN ANSWER QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION NOW.

NOT RIGHT NOW. NO. SO AT WHAT HOW DOES THE COMMISSION ASK QUESTIONS OF NON-AGENDA ITEMS? LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET IN FRONT OF THE PEDESTAL FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. WE CAN PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA. YOU CAN SHARE YOUR QUESTIONS WITH STAFF BY EMAIL AS WELL.

BUT THAT LEAVES THE PUBLIC OUT OF IT FROM HEARING IT.

RIGHT. I THINK YOU MAKE THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE ANOTHER WAY TO PUT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS A LOT OF ITEMS HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT SECTION. SO, YOU KNOW, STATUS ON SEASIDE LAGOON IS IN DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

NOW WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT, BUT WE'RE STILL COVERING IT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE HAD SO MANY MEETINGS THIS YEAR, WHICH WERE NOTHING BUT RECEIVE AND FILE MEETINGS.

I THINK IT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. THE CITY AND NOT JUST STAFF, BUT COUNCIL AS WELL, ARE HAVING WITH COMMISSIONS.

I MEAN, AM I ALLOWED TO GO UP IN SECTION H AND MENTION THESE THINGS BECAUSE I THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE IF I HAD KNOWN WE HAD CHANGED THE RULES.

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WELL, WE COULD DO THAT. AGENDIZE THAT. I'M SORRY, I'M VERY CONFUSED.

OKAY, SO HERE ARE MY REFERRALS BEFORE WE RENAMED THIS SECTION THAT I NOW UNDERSTAND NEW RULES.

ONE WAS IT WAS MENTIONED SOME TIME AGO THAT AN EMPLOYEE PASS PURCHASE CAN BE MADE FOR SEASONAL RECREATIONAL USERS IN THE HARBOR AT $25 A MONTH, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE WEBSITE.

I ONLY SAW OPTIONS FOR PREFERENTIAL RESIDENT RIVIERA VILLAGE AND GENERAL PARKING METER.

SO I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT CAN BE FOUND TO MAKE THAT PURCHASE.

SECOND ITEM WAS WELL, THE LAGOON I ASKED ABOUT ACTIVATING THE SAND AREA WITH THE FENCE, MUCH LIKE THE MODIFIED PHASE ONE.

AND ALSO I, IF YOU GO TO THE LAGOON WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS IT'S CLOSED FOR RENOVATIONS, WHICH I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE. SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.

A COMMUNITY MEMBER MENTIONED THAT THE MOORING POLES MIGHT NEED MAINTENANCE.

AND SO I WAS WONDERING, I WASN'T ABLE TO ANSWER, WHO CHECKS ON THEM? HOW OFTEN? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MOORING POLES.

IS IT PUBLIC WORKS. IS IT HARBOR MASTER I DON'T KNOW.

THE COMMENT WAS MISSING POLES AND SAND LINES.

I DON'T HAVEN'T USED THE MOORING POLES SO I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICS.

I CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT ONE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ALLOWED TO. YOU CAN COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND ANSWER IT FOR TEN MINUTES.

IT'S JUST REALLY TRICKY. IT'S HAVING DIALOG ON A NON-DISCUSSION ITEM IS.

YOU CAN'T DO IT. OH MY GOSH. OKAY. THE THIRD ITEM IN THE CITY STRATEGIC PLAN, THE CITY'S NUMBER ONE THREE YEAR PRIORITY AREA IS ECONOMIC VITALITY, WITH THE NUMBER ONE GOAL BEING ENHANCE THE WATERFRONT.

SINCE THIS WAS ESTABLISHED, THE CITY HAS UNFUNDED THE WATERFRONT DIRECTOR POSITION, WHICH SEEMS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND TROUBLING.

SO I DO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK AND REFERRALS RELATED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING JULY 2025.

AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK TENANTS ASSOCIATION CAME BACK WITH SINCE THEN TO THE CITY.

I KNOW THAT WOULD THEN GO TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT CAME OF THAT.

NEXT ONE WAS WEBSITE FEEDBACK. I DID SUBMIT TO BLUE FOLDER ITEM.

SOME FEEDBACK ON OUR WEBSITE. JUST SEARCHING ALL THINGS HARBOR MOONSTONE PARK THE DIFFERENT PARKS IN THE HARBOR AREA AND PROVIDED THAT FEEDBACK. THIS GOES ALONG WITH STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM NINE TO ENHANCE THE EXTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS FOR WATERFRONT ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS.

SO I'M HOPING THOSE COULD BE LEVERAGED FOR THAT EXECUTION OF ITEM NINE THAT HASN'T BEEN STARTED.

AND THEN NEXT ONE WAS A COUPLE MONTHS BACK, THERE WAS A FORTHCOMING MEETING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN YOUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT FOR THE BOAT RAMP SUBCOMMITTEE.

SO I WAS WANTING TO ACTION TO SCHEDULE THIS SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING BEFORE THE NEXT HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING GIVEN WHERE THINGS WERE GOING. THE STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM THREE NOTES THAT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TOMORROW, THAT THERE IS A REVISED DESIGN WHICH REDUCES THE PROJECT COST FROM 16.8 MILLION TO 8.7 MILLION, PRIMARILY BY ELIMINATING A WALL, REPLACING AND COMBINING BASIN THREE PUBLIC RESTROOM BUILDING AND MODIFYING THE BOAT LAUNCH TO MEET THE GRANTOR'S REQUIRED 20 YEAR LIFESPAN RATHER THAN THE ORIGINAL PLANNED 50 YEAR LIFESPAN.

NO DETAILS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION OR THIS BOAT RAMP SUBCOMMITTEE OTHER THAN THESE FACTS AND A MORE DETAILED OTHER THAN THE MENTION THAT A MORE DETAILED WATER RUN UP ANALYSIS WAS DONE THAT SHOWED THAT THE CONCRETE HEIGHT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AS HIGH.

AND THESE REMARKS IN TOMORROW'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING SEEMS SUBSTANTIVE.

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THIS ALSO DOES INCLUDE THERE WAS A DESIRE TO INCORPORATE THE ABILITY FOR USE BY HEAVY KAYAKS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WENT ANYWHERE. AND MAKING A SMART LAYOUT, WHICH DID REQUIRE REPOSITIONING OF THE BATHROOMS. SO TO HEAR THOSE ARE BEING ABANDONED IS WORRISOME.

AND DESIGNING FOR A 50 YEAR LIFE AND SEA LEVEL RISE SEEMS TO BE ABANDONED.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A DETAILED DESIGN. I GUESS I'M NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE A MOTION ON A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WITH THE CITY, BUT IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE. WHY? WHY CAN'T YOU. THAT THE CITY HAVE A MEETING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE? I GUESS I COULD. I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THAT. LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.

DON'T MAKE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT MAKING A MOTION.

WE'LL JUST MEET WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE. OKAY. THAT'S CLEAR.

I'LL LEAVE IT. IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRIEF.

I GUESS I ALSO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY STAFF PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED UPDATE TO AS A REFERRAL.

WOULD YOU WANT TO AGENDIZE THAT? YEAH. LET'S AGENDIZE.

AGENDIZE THE BOAT RAMP FOR NEXT MEETING. AN UPDATE.

YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. DO YOU STILL WANT TO MEET AS A SUBCOMMITTEE OR DO YOU WANT THAT TO BE THE UPDATE? I THINK THAT'D BE BENEFICIAL TO MEET AS A SUBCOMMITTEE.

IN THE OCTOBER MEETING, I WAS WONDERING THE STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM FIVE SAYS A PARKING STUDY WAS STARTED.

19TH MAY 2026 DATA COLLECTION IN JUNE, AND THE FINAL STUDY REPORT WILL BE PROVIDED IN SEPTEMBER 2026 TO THE CITY.

SO I WAS WANTING A MOTION TO. WAIT. DID WE? WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THAT MOTION, DID WE? OKAY, SORRY, I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF. WE DIDN'T GET A SECOND.

MOTION TO AGENDIZE THE BOAT RAMP WITH AN UPDATE AT THE OCTOBER MEETING.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. A MOTION TO AGENDIZE FOR NEXT MEETING A UPDATE ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM FIVE PARKING STUDY REPORT.

IF IT DOES COMPLETE BY SEPTEMBER. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. THERE WE GO. THE STRATEGIC PLAN ALSO MENTIONS REVIEW AND PRESENT UPDATES TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE REGARDING THE HARBOR MARINE SAFETY REGS BY 1ST MARCH 2027. SO QUESTION FOR NEXT TIME WOULD BE WILL THAT TOPIC COME TO US AT ALL? JUST CURIOUS. IF THE INPUTS JUST COME FROM POLICE DEPARTMENT FIRE DEPARTMENT.

HARBOR MASTER WONDERING WHO ELSE THOSE MIGHT COME FROM.

DO YOU FIND VALUE IN FORMING A SUBCOMMITTEE ON THAT? I THINK SHE THINKS YES. POTENTIALLY. YOU CAN HAVE THAT AS PART OF YOUR CONVERSATION FOR NEXT TIME WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SUBCOMMITTEES, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.

SURE. DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ANY OF THAT OR THAT'S JUST WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.

YEAH. AND THEN STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM TEN SAYS WORK WITH THE HARBOR AND PIER ASSOCIATIONS TO DEVELOP AND IMPROVE HOLIDAY EVENTS BY ONE OCTOBER 2026.

BUT THE UPDATE JUST SAYS, AND THIS IS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA PACKET FOR TOMORROW.

IT SAYS THE CITY IS INVOLVED IN ORGANIZATIONS MONTHLY MEETINGS, WHICH TO ME SOUNDED A LITTLE PASSIVE.

AND I THOUGHT THE INTENTION BEHIND THAT STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM TEN WOULD HAVE NOT JUST BEEN PASSIVE.

IS THAT THE ENTIRE UPDATE? I THOUGHT I UPDATED THAT BOX TO INCLUDE WAY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.

IS THAT THE ONLY UPDATE CAPTURED IN THAT. FOR STRATEGIC ITEM TEN? YEAH, THAT'S IT WAS JUST THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL IT SAID IS IT SAID THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE ORGANIZATION'S MONTHLY MEETINGS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE TALKING ABOUT THE HOLIDAY BOAT PARADE AND EVENTS.

BUT SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT WAS INTENDED BY PUTTING THAT ITEM ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND WHAT DOES, WHAT DO YOU AS THE WED MANAGER LIKE? WHAT WERE YOU HOPING TO SEE FOR IMPROVEMENTS? MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD SHARE NEXT TIME. DO YOU WANT TO AGENDIZE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL?

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OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. BUT IF THERE'S MORE DETAILS YOU WANT, WE CAN AGENDIZE IT.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS YOU BETTER AGENDIZE IT. SHE MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT. YES, BUT SINCE WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.

I WILL LET YOU KNOW. WE MADE QUITE A BIT OF PROGRESS, AND WE HAVE GOOD PARTNERSHIPS WITH THOSE ACROSS THE WATERFRONT RIGHT NOW.

SO I THINK THE UPDATE MIGHT SUFFICE. IF YOU'RE JUST CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT PROGRESS WE MADE THIS YEAR, BUT. I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE INTENTION BEHIND THAT ITEM, LIKE WHAT WERE WE TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT BEYOND OUR USUAL YEARLY CONVERSATIONS? AND DID WE MEET THAT. I'M LIKE TRYING TO ANSWER THAT.

YOU ARE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB. I KNOW. SO FOR MY SHARING THAT IN THE LIAISONS REPORT SHOULD SUFFICE.

WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. YES. AND THEN SORRY, I KNOW I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF HOMEWORK.

I WAS CURIOUS THE HISTORY ON THIS LIKE TWO. I DON'T, I'M GOING TO CALL THEM ABANDONED BOAT RAMPS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF LIKE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB BEFORE YOU GET TO THE PORTA POTTY. JUST WONDERING IF JUST WHAT THE HISTORY WAS ON THAT, IF THEY CAN BE BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT BRINGS TO MIND AS CLOSER. I THINK ONE'S A BOAT RAMP AND ONE'S A STORM DRAIN. THE STORM WHAT? STORM DRAIN. THE METAL. IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

SORRY, I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. THERE'S ROLLERS GOING INTO THE.

YEAH, THAT'S A STORM DRAIN. YEAH. THAT'S A STORM DRAIN NOT YEAH. THAT'S A STORM DRAIN. YEAH. THAT'S A STORM DRAIN.

NOT A RAMP. JUST ONE. BOTH OF THEM? YEAH. OH, OKAY.

OH, OKAY. THAT LOOKED LIKE AN OLD, LIKE REMNANTS OF A.

YEAH, LIKE. YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD FOR A HEAVY KAYAK. I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO. BUT I LEARNED IN THE, THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT THERE'S HEAVY STORM DRAINS GOING THROUGH THE AREA, WHICH MAKES THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THIS.

RIGHT. SOME OF THESE NEW MAPS DIFFICULT QUESTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT THERE IS AN OLD RAMP THERE AND THERE'S STILL A SIGN SAYING BOAT RAMP ON PORTOFINO WAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY REFERRALS.

NON-REFERRALS. NON-REFERRALS. NON-REFERRALS. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? YES. SO JUST TO REALLY MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR, IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, IT COULD GO UNDER K ITEMS CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS OR IT COULD GO UNDER N COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS.

AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ITEM AND A TOPIC? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT STUFF, RIGHT? WE NEED TO AGENDIZE ASKING THAT QUESTION? YEAH.

SORRY. IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER, YOU CAN ANSWER NEXT TIME.

YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING THE AGENDA. HOW WE CAN TALK.

HOW WE TALK, HOW WE RELATE TO STAFF. WHAT'S WONDERFUL IS THAT WE HAVE AN UPCOMING COMMISSIONER ORIENTATION.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE ATTEND.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SECRETLY IS, IS YOU JUST POSITIONING FOR BETTER ATTENDANCE.

OTHERWISE, YOU'RE A COMPLETELY ALL OR ALMOST ALL.

NOT YOU, ROGER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T THINK SO.

DO WE HAVE A LAST ACTION TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE LAGOON PRESENTATION AT THE TIME WE SAID WE MAY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS YOU WERE.

YOU AND I WERE WORKING ON IT AND IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE.

WE ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. PLANS LIKE THIS.

I'M PARAPHRASING. I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION. THE MOTION WAS SOMETHING LIKE WE ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE IDEAS, WHICH WILL HELP FUND PHASES TWO AND THREE. AND FOR FUTURE PHASES.

CONSIDER THE ECONOMICS OF THIS. SURE. AND YOUR LAST ACT.

OKAY. SO I GUESS THIS HAS TO BE A LETTER TO US. CAN IT JUST BE A COMMENT HERE OR WE NEED TO SEND A LETTER.

HOW DO WE HOW DO WE SEND A SHORT MESSAGE TO COUNCIL? WE COULD INCLUDE IT AS PART OF BLUE FOLDER. SO IF WE CAN GET AN EMAIL WITH YOUR WORDS IN IT, OR A LETTER WITH YOUR WORDS AND YOUR EXACT INTENT WITH THIS, IT'S BETTER THAN US CRAFTING FROM COMMENTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES ON YET AND US TRYING

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3 P.M.. THEY START EARLY. NO, WAIT, THE BLUE FOLDER IS DUE BY 3 P.M., SO COUNCIL STARTS AT SIX.

THE CLOSED SESSION STARTS EARLIER, DOESN'T IT? AT 4.

OKAY, SO THIS LETTER NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THREE.

I'M HAPPY TO WRITE IT OR WRITE IT WITH A SUBCOMMITTEE. I MAKE A MOTION THAT HE WRITES THE LETTER.

YEAH. AND WHAT I'LL SAY IS WE I'M NOT GOING TO SPECIFICALLY ENDORSE A WAVE POOL, BUT I WILL SAY WE WERE PRESENTED THIS IDEA AND WE ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IDEAS LIKE THIS IN THE INTEREST OF INCREASING ATTENDANCE, INCREASING YEAR ROUND USE, INCREASING REVENUE AND OR FUNDING THE OTHER PHASES OF AMENITIES AND MEETING THEIR OWN STRATEGIC GUIDELINES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AS A WAVE POOL AVERSE. OKAY.

WE DID WE DID TALK ABOUT IT. I'M TRYING TO BE A LITTLE WAVE POOL AVERSE.

TO BE AS AS YOU CAN EXPLORING THAT THING, EXPLORING IT.

OKAY. JUST EXPLORING. I SEE. OKAY. SO HELPING CRAFT THE MOTION.

NO DISCUSSION. JUST CRAFTING A MOTION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ON THE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ON THE COAUTHOR SUBCOMMITTEE WITH ME AND I'LL WRITE IT AND BOUNCE IT OFF YOU? I. IF YOU ARE TOO BUSY. IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA BECAUSE THE CHAIR HAS TO SIGN IT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION.

I CAN'T SEE IT. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I CAN'T I HAVE TO SIGN IT, APPARENTLY.

BUT FROM WHAT I'M READING, PARTICIPATE IN WRITING IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SIGN IT. YES.

NO. YOU CAN. I'M SORRY. YOU CAN. I CAN. YOU HAVE TO SIGN IT.

AND YOU HAVE TO SIGN IT BY THREE. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, ELECTRONICALLY APPROVE THIS THING.

OH, DEAR LORD. I JUST STARTED A NEW JOB PEOPLE.

UNLESS WE HAVE A VOTE TONIGHT ON NEW CHAIR AND MAKE ME THE CHAIR FOR, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIVE MORE MINUTES.

CAN'T DO THAT. IT'S NOT AGENDIZED. OKAY, WELL, I'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.

YOU DON'T HAVE TIME, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO SIGN IT.

YES. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. WE'LL MAKE IT WORK.

MAKE IT WORK. OKAY, SO THE THREE OF US CAN MAKE IT WORK.

OKAY? OKAY. SO I MOVE THAT WE WRITE A LETTER ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE WAVE POOL PRESENTATION AND SIMILAR IDEAS FOR SEASIDE LAGOON ALTERNATIVES.

RATHER THAN SIMILAR YOU SHOULD PERHAPS SAY OTHER IDEAS.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YES. OTHER IDEAS. I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE WAVE POOL, BUT I WANT TO FIND A WAY TO FUND MORE AMENITIES THAN JUST SAND IN A CONSTRUCTION FENCE. GOT IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? I'D LIKE TO OPPOSE. I WANT TO STAY HERE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.