Oct 12, 2026 Harbor Commission

CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE HARBOR COMMISSION FOR MONDAY, OCTOBER 12TH, 2026 TO ORDER.

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ALL RIGHT, PLEASE STAND. PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

AND PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

[D. APPROVE ORDER OF AGENDA]

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. APPROVE ABOVE, SORRY OPPOSED? NOBODY? OKAY, GREAT. NEXT, BLUE FOLDER ITEMS. I BELIEVE THERE ARE A, AND A COUPLE.

[E. BLUE FOLDER ITEMS - ADDITIONAL BACK UP MATERIALS]

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A, WE HAVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE? YES. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. NEXT IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

[F. CONSENT CALENDAR]

I'D LIKE TO EXCLUDE ITEM F.2. OKAY.

IS THERE A. SECOND? NO. OKAY, GREAT. SO THEN WE'LL JUST.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE F.1 THEN? CORRECT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE F.1. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. SO NOW F.2 GOES WHERE?

[G. EXCLUDED CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS]

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE MINUTES BE REFERRED TO THE CITY CLERK FOR A POSSIBLE INCLUSION OF THOSE CORRECTIONS.

I SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, GREAT.

SO WE APPROVED THAT. APPROVE THAT. OKAY, GREAT. MOVING ON, SECTION G.

NO EXCLUDED CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ITEMS. EACH. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON ITEMS. THIS SECTION IS INTENDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR IN THIS AGENDA FOR

[H. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE CHAIR AND COMMISSION.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN ZOOM? ANY ECOMMENTS? THERE ARE NO PARTICIPANTS IN ZOOM AND NO ECOMMENTS.

HELLO, SIR. WELCOME, MARK. FIRST MEETING. GARY OHST, AUTHOR OF SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0, WHICH IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO I'M DOWN HERE ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. AND I KNOW THIS COMMISSION HAS PUT A LOT OF ENERGY AND EFFORT INTO TRYING TO MAKE THE CURRENT PHASE ONE PLAN BETTER.

THE COUNCIL HAS MADE THE DECISION, AND THE INFORMATION IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL FOR THIS MEETING SAYS IT'S ALREADY BEEN SENT TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

I'M SORRY, CAN WE GET YOU TO RAISE YOUR THE PODIUM? YEAH, THAT WHOLE THING GOES UP. THE WHOLE THING SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE. THERE'S A BUTTON. CAN WE PAUSE HIS TIME JUST SO WE CAN? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN'T HEAR YOU WELL, AND I. USUALLY HAVE TO BITE THE MICROPHONE WHEN YOU'RE UP HERE.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. GARY OHST, AUTHOR OF SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0.

I KNOW THE COMMISSION PUT A LOT OF ENERGY INTO THIS, TRYING TO MAKE THE CURRENT PHASE ONE PLAN BETTER.

SO THE COUNCIL HAS MADE UP THEIR MIND. IT'S BEEN SENT TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, I ALSO SENT SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0 TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

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AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN KIND OF THE HISTORY OF HOW IT GOT TO THIS POINT.

BUT IT'S PRELIMINARY, THEY CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON ANYTHING, BUT THEY DO HAVE IT.

AND GOING FORWARD, REALLY THE GOAL HERE IS JUST TO BE SURE THAT WHEN THE COASTAL COMMISSION DEBATES THIS, THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE TO DISCUSS AND CHOOSE FROM.

AND I KNOW THIS COMMISSION TRIED HARD TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT WENT. SO THE ONLY REALLY OPTION OPEN TO US IN THE COMMUNITY IS TO SUBMIT THOSE SAME IDEAS AND SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0 DIRECTLY ONTO THE PUBLIC RECORD WHEN THE HEARING COMES ALONG.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND THE GOAL HERE IS JUST TO BE SURE THAT THE COASTAL COMMISSION HAS THE FULL SPECTRUM OF IDEAS.

WE'RE NOT REALLY FIGHTING THE CITY'S PLAN. I'LL CALL THAT PLAN A, PLAN A FOR ALREADY DONE.

AND WE'LL COME UP WITH PLAN B, WHICH MIGHT BE BETTER.

SO AS AUTHOR OF SEASIDE LAGOON 2.0, THE ONLY REALLY EFFECTIVE WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IS IF I SOLICIT MORE COMMUNITY INPUT, MAKE IT BETTER, FILL IN THE BLANKS, PUT SOME MEAT ON THE BONES SO WE HAVE THE BEST DOCUMENT POSSIBLE GOING TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION. SO I'VE KIND OF SIGNED UP FOR AN ODD JOB HERE.

AND I'VE OPENED UP AN EMAIL ADDRESS CALLED SEASIDELAGOON20.

THERE'S NO DECIMAL THERE, JUST 20. @PM.ME. PRETTY SIMPLE.

TRIED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND. THAT'S TIME. THANK YOU, SIR.

WE APPRECIATE IT. MOTION TO EXTEND. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T EXTEND THEM.

OKAY. HOW ARE WE AT A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY INITIALLY, WHICH ATE UP 30S.

I DON'T KNOW. WE DID PAUSE IT FOR A BIT, THOUGH.

WHILE WE'RE ADJUSTING. HOW ABOUT ONE MINUTE? I'LL WRAP UP AND BE DONE.

I APOLOGIZE, NOT ALLOWED. YEAH, THEY'VE DONE AWAY WITH IT.

MOTION TO EXTEND. GOT AWAY FROM THEM. SEASIDELAGOON20@PM.ME.

ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY. NO. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.

AND THERE'S NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS AGENDAS,

[L. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ACTION]

IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME ONE SECOND WHILE I FIND MY LITTLE.

WE NEED NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TODAY.

THAT'S PERFECT. SO ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR FIRST? NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? WE NEED A NOMINATION. YOU WANT TO DO IT? SOMEONE'S GOT TO SAY HIS NAME. YEAH, I'LL DO IT.

YEAH. I'LL NOMINATE LEE TO BE THE CHAIR. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? PUBLIC COMMENT.

I THINK WE NEED. RIGHT. SURE. THAT'S RIGHT. ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T LIKE LEE? A COMMENT. ANY EMAILS? PEOPLE THAT DOESN'T LIKE LEE? I'M SURE YOU'LL DO A BETTER JOB THAN I AM. PEOPLE ON ZOOM. I LOVE LEE.

I THINK I THINK EVERYBODY DOES. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A UNIVERSAL THING.

ALL RIGHT. AS ANYBODY ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO TALK OR ECOMMENTS ABOUT LEE? NO ECOMMENTS, NO PARTICIPANTS. OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY HERE WANT TO HAVE ANY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LEE? WHAT? NO. OKAY, GREAT. ONLY POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT LEE.

I MEAN, HE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. HE. DID A GREAT JOB.

NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I DO. OH, I DO. BUT I THINK I DO.

EMINENTLY QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION AND I FULLY SUPPORT HIM, SO.

OKAY, GREAT. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF LEE COLLER BE THE NEXT CHAIR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY, GREAT. SO THAT'S PERFECT.

OKAY, NOW WE DO NEED TO DO A VICE CHAIR. WHO.

I NOMINATE LISA FALK, A COMMISSIONER FALK TO BE THE NEXT VICE CHAIR.

I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SECOND. ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT.

MARK HAS ANYTHING TO SAY? NO. NOW, IF I HOLD YOUR PEACE.

YEAH. OH, WAIT. OH, WE HAVE A. OH, NO. HERE IT COMES.

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MARK HANSEN, KING HARBOR BOATER. HAVING SPENT MANY, MANY, MANY HOURS WITH BOTH THE PROPOSED CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

I RISE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THESE TWO WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

I WOULD TONIGHT'S KIND OF A SLAM DUNK, BUT FOR THE FUTURE, I MIGHT MENTION THE STAFF FOR THE PUBLIC OUT THERE DOESN'T KNOW EVERYBODY AND DOESN'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN ON THERE. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HANDY TO HAVE JUST A MINOR ADMIN REPORT THAT KIND OF TOLD WHERE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW WERE IN THE PROCESS. THAT'S ALL. THANKS.

THANKS, MARK. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE MIC.

ALL RIGHT, THE GAVEL. OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU, PAST CHAIR ABELMAN.

ITEM L.2. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING HARBOR COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEES, INCLUDING THE CREATION OR DISSOLUTION OF SUBCOMMITTEES AND APPOINTMENTS TO FILL VACANCIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR COLLER. TONIGHT, MIO WILL BE PRESENTING ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THIS ITEM COVERS THE HARBOR COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE.

SO HOW THEY WORK, WHICH ONES EXIST NOW AND WHAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO DECIDE.

SO FIRST, A QUICK REFRESHER ON THE RULES SINCE A RECENT TRAINING REINFORCED THEM.

A SUBCOMMITTEE MUST BE SMALLER THAN A QUORUM.

SO FOR A SEVEN MEMBER CORE, A SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION, THAT MEANS NO MORE THAN THREE MEMBERS.

EACH ONE NEEDS A DEFINED END DATE OR COMPLETION TASK, SO IT DOESN'T RUN INDEFINITELY.

THE SUBCOMMITTEES REPORT BACK PUBLICLY, USUALLY UNDER COMMISSION MEMBER ITEMS AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.

AND A SUBCOMMITTEE CAN REPRESENT THE COMMISSION EXTERNALLY ONLY WITH THE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER OR THE STAFF LIAISON WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL OR DIRECTION.

AND SUBCOMMITTEE TASKS SHOULD ALSO ALIGN WITH CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION, SO WHETHER IT'S REGARDING THE EXISTING STRAT PLAN EXPLICIT DIRECTION STEMMING FROM OPEN SESSION OR ANY DIRECTION COMING FROM THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OKAY, SO HERE ARE THE FOUR SUBCOMMITTEES AS THEY STAND TODAY.

WE HAVE THE MAST-UP DRY BOAT STORAGE, WATERFRONT EDUCATION CENTER, SEASIDE LAGOON, AND BOAT LAUNCH.

AND LAST MONTH, THE COMMISSION ADDED COMMISSIONER COLLER OR CHAIR COLLER TO THE BOAT LAUNCH SUBCOMMITTEE, SINCE HE HAD BEEN THE ALTERNATE. AND THE OTHER APPOINTMENTS WERE TABLED TO TODAY.

SO TONIGHT WE'D LIKE THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS THESE THREE ITEMS. THE SUBCOMMITTEE STRUCTURE. SO DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO CREATE NEW, ANY NEW SUBCOMMITTEES OR DISSOLVE ANY EXISTING ONES? FOR EXAMPLE, ONE MAY HAVE FINISHED ITS TASK LIKE THE WATERFRONT EDUCATION CENTER.

AND FOR EACH SUBCOMMITTEE THAT CONTINUES AND ANY NEW ONES, THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONFIRM A DEFINED TASK AND END DATE.

OUR EXISTING SUBCOMMITTEES DESCRIBE A PURPOSE BUT NOT AN END POINT.

AND THEN ONCE THE STRUCTURE IS SETTLED AND THE TASKS AND END DATES ARE DEFINED, THE COMMISSION WILL FILL THE OPEN SEATS BY MAJORITY VOTE.

SO STAFF CAN TAKE NOTES ON THE OUTCOMES AND UPDATE THE SUBCOMMITTEE LIST FOR OUR RECORDS.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR TO GUIDE THE COMMISSION THROUGH THE DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT, CAN YOU PUT UP ONCE AGAIN THE LIST OF COMMISSION CURRENT SUBCOMMITTEES? AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? SO TAKE US ONE AT A TIME.

MAST-UP DRY BOAT STORAGE. CURRENTLY COMMISSIONERS CHRZAN AND FALK ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER FALK, DO YOU HAVE OPINION ON THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. SO THIS WAS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, BUT NOTHING HAS REALLY BEEN HAPPENING WITH IT.

DO WE FORESEE SOMETHING HAPPENING WITH IT? THAT YOU'RE GOING WE'RE GOING TO NEED BRIEFING AND INPUT, RIGHT? NOT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WE HAVE MANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE WATERFRONT THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING AS A TEAM RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T FORESEE THIS COMING UP TO THE PRIORITY LIST, TO THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST ANYTIME SOON.

SO IN THAT CASE, GIVEN THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE JUST READ, SHOULD WE KEEP THIS OR SHOULD WE PUT IT ON HIATUS OR WHAT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S HARM IN DISSOLVING IT FOR NOW, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THE TO STAFF'S WORK PLAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY RECONSTITUTE THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

MOTION TO DISSOLVE. WELL, WELL. LET'S HOLD OFF ON MOTIONS UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

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AS I RECALL, THE PURPOSE OF THE MAST-UP DRY STORAGE COMMITTEE WAS TO RESEARCH HOW OTHER MAST-UP DRY STORAGES SPECIFICALLY, I THINK WITH THE COUNTY UP IN MARINA DEL REY WERE HANDLED.

AND I'M GUESSING NOTHING EVER REALLY HAPPENED WITH THAT.

NO. YEAH. OKAY. BUT IT STILL WOULD BE A VALUABLE THING TO DO, I THINK.

I MEAN, IT IS AN ISSUE HERE WITH OUR HARBOR, SO IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, DOING BACKGROUND RESEARCH ISN'T.

I STILL SEE VALUE IN THAT PERSONALLY. IS IT COUNCIL DIRECTED THOUGH? OH, YES. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE, AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL PERSON THAT'S VERY OPPOSED TO ANY MASSIVE DRY STORAGE.

ALL RIGHT, WATERFRONT EDUCATION. I'M WONDERING IF WITH THE RECENT HAPPENINGS, IF IT'S TIME THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS SUNSETTED.

YES, IT JUST DEPENDS. I KNOW WATERFRONT EDUCATION WAS INITIALLY TIED TO INITIAL WATERFRONT EDUCATION PROPOSAL THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH SOMEBODY OUT OF SAN DIEGO, AND GENSLER DREW UP SOME NICE PHOTOS. THIS WAS DURING BILL BRANDES TIME.

IT'S MORPHED INTO SOMETHING ELSE. AND NOW IT'S STILL AN EDUCATIONAL CENTER, BUT IT'S THROUGH THE MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER IN THAT SPACE.

SO PERHAPS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE ISN'T REALLY VIABLE ANYMORE AT THIS TIME.

BUT PERHAPS THERE IS A DESIRE TO CONTINUE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW DOES THE MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER FIT INTO THE CURRENT WATERFRONT? IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S TIME, OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO DISSOLVE IT ALL TOGETHER? AT SOME POINT THE DRAWINGS, ALL THE WORK BEING DONE MARINE MAMMAL CENTER WILL COME BACK TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.

BUT IS THIS STILL SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE IS HELPFUL TO YOUR CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO THAT? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR IT. YEAH. EVER. SO LIKE I'VE HAD, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR IT UNTIL THERE'S A NEED FOR IT.

AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A VOTE TO DO THIS AGAIN AT THE TIME.

I DON'T SEE THIS TO HAPPEN. I DON'T SEE A REASON TO HAVE NAMES ON A LIST JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING THEM.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW EASY IS IT TO ADD A COMMITTEE BACK IN WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT? IS THAT A RELATIVELY EASY PROCESS? ADD ANY AGENDA.

IT'S A COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. OKAY, THEN I WOULD SEE NO ISSUE REMOVING IT FOR NOW IF THAT'S.

ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS SEASIDE LAGOON. I KNOW COMMISSIONER CHRZAN AND HER BLUE FOLDER ITEM SUGGEST THAT THIS SHOULD CONTINUE.

IT IS AN ONGOING PROJECT AND IT'S A PRIORITY PROJECT FOR A COUPLE OF THE COUNCIL.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE BOAT LAUNCH COMMITTEE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY COMMISSIONER CHRZAN, COMMISSIONER BAUER AND MYSELF.

AND THAT'S ONGOING. YES, IT IS. SO I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD CONTINUE.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I BELIEVE SO, YES. OKAY.

WE STILL PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS. AND I KNOW IN THE BLUE FOLDER ITEMS, IT'S GOING TO SWITCH SCREENS HERE.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER CHRZAN MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ALSO A, WE HAD A HARBOR YOUTH OUTREACH SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH I HAVE NOT HEARD OF, IS I DON'T.

NO. I'M NOT AWARE. IT'S CALLED. OKAY. APPARENTLY IT WASN'T FORMALLY DISSOLVED.

WE'LL TAKE CARE. YOU ALL TAKE CARE OF THAT, OKAY. WE'LL JUST. ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE GO ON ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? CAN YOU TELL THE SLIDE BACK UP? MARK HANSEN, KING HARBOR VOTER.

AND YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SLIDE. I RISE IN STRONG RECOMMENDATION TO MAINTAIN THE DRY BOAT STORAGE SUBCOMMITTEE.

THAT'S KIND OF PURPOSELY BEING DELAYED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING SO HARD ON THE BOAT RAMP.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ON THE BOAT RAMP.

I'M SORRY, DRY BOAT STORAGE. AND AS SOME OF YOU WILL RECALL IN THE COASTAL ACT, SEPARATED BY A COMMA FROM THE BOAT LAUNCH RAMP, WHERE IN 2009, THE COASTAL COMMISSION ORDERED US TO PUT IN.

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I THINK IT'S VERY SMART OF US TO GET IN FRONT OF THIS ISSUE, FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH AND WHERE WE WANT IT BEFORE COASTAL COMMISSION COMES IN AND ORDERS US, BECAUSE WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO COME BACK.

THEY CAN JUST ORDER STUFF AND YOU'RE STUCK WITH IT.

SO I THINK WE'RE REALLY SMART TO WORK ON THIS ONE.

I HAVE ASKED HIGHLY PLACED PEOPLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT WHEN WE SHOULD COME BACK TO THAT, AND I'VE BEEN ADVISED, WELL, LET'S WAIT TILL WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG ON THE ENTITLEMENTS ON THE BOAT RAMP.

SO WE REALLY KNOW. AND AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, THAT JUST RECENTLY CHANGED A BUNCH, A BUNCH.

SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DUMB. YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD I LISTENED AND DIDN'T START PUSHING TO DESIGN SOMETHING.

SO I'D ABSOLUTELY KEEP THAT ONE ALIVE. THE, I WOULD, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE WORD MAST-UP THAT KEEPS COMING IN AND OUT AND IN, IN AND OUT. OKAY. WE'VE ALL AGREED BEFORE PREVIOUS HARBOR COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD ERASE THE WORD MAST-UP THAT LIMITS US.

THIS SHOULD JUST BE A DISCUSSION OF DRY BOAT STORAGE.

THERE'S POWERBOATS, THE WORD MAST-UP DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

OKAY. THERE'S SMALLER SAILBOATS THAT ARE HAPPY TO STAY MASKED DOWN.

SO THAT'S AN UNNECESSARILY RESTRICTIVE WORD AND RECOMMEND THAT YOU RACE IT ON WATERFRONT EDUCATION.

I ALSO HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU MAINTAIN THAT ONE.

OH, IS THAT TIME? HE STILL HAS A MINUTE. YEAH.

SORRY. GO AHEAD. SORRY. WAS THAT TIME YOU HAVE YOU HAD A MINUTE NOW? IT'S ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT 35 SECONDS OR SO. OKAY.

SO ANYWAY, THERE'S LOTS MORE TO WORK ON WATERFRONT EDUCATION.

I'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION AGAIN WITH SOME HIGHER UP PEOPLE ABOUT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SUB TENANTS OR NOT? IN THE EASY READER ARTICLE. THE MARINE MAMMAL CARE GUYS WERE SAYING, WELL, WE'D PROBABLY PREFER NOT TO HAVE SUB TENANTS.

I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S HIGHLY PLACED PEOPLE WHO REALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.

SO THERE'S LOTS MORE WORK FOR YOU GUYS TO DO ON THAT ONE.

SO I RECOMMEND YOU KEEP THEM BOTH AND GET A THIRD PERSON THERE ON THE DRY BOAT STORAGE.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT. ROGER CARLSON, KING HARBOR BOATER. ON DRY BOAT STORAGE. I WAS ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, AND I SENT THE LAST PRESENTATION I DID ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE WHOLE GROUP OR I CAN SEND IT AGAIN.

WHERE WE HAD LEFT, THAT WAS WE WERE DISCUSSING DOING A LITTLE TRIAL PROGRAM WITH 10 OR 20 BOATS.

AND THIS WAS BACK WHEN GREG WAS HERE. WE WERE LOOKING AT A LITTLE SPACE ON MOLE D TO DO A LITTLE TRIAL PROGRAM, AND THAT FELL APART AS WE STARTED GETTING INTO BOAT RAMP AND OTHER THINGS.

I HAD DONE A, I HAD GONE OUT TO OTHER HARBORS AND LOOKED AT WHERE THERE WAS DRY BOAT STORAGE.

LOOKED TO SEE HOW THEY DID IT, HOW THEY MANAGED IT, HOW THEY KEEP IT TIDY, WHAT THEIR RATES WERE.

I CAN SEND ALL THAT DATA, AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SIMPLY HOW TO DO IT HERE, WHAT THE COST IS PER SQUARE FOOT, HOW MUCH A PARKING PLACE IN THE HARBOR COSTS.

OKAY, TAKE THAT, SCALE IT UP. AND YOU'RE BASICALLY SELLING SOMEBODY A PARKING PLACE 24/7, 365.

DOES THAT PRICE MAKE SENSE? WE NEVER CAME UP WITH THAT PRICE.

WE NEVER FIGURED OUT HOW THE FENCE WOULD WORK. WE NEVER REALLY FIGURED OUT HOW THE TRIAL PROGRAM WOULD WORK. BUT MY SUGGESTION WHEN I WAS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS DO THE MATH, FIGURE OUT WHAT A PARKING PLACE COSTS, AND THEN KIND OF DO THE TRIAL PROGRAM, DO THE BUSINESS CASE AND SEE LIKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF IT'S $5,000 A MONTH, NO ONE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE INTERESTED IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, 100 OR 2 AND WE CAN MANAGE IT WELL, AND WE CAN FIND A SPACE AND THE FENCES AND TOO UGLY AND YOU CAN GIVE, YOU KNOW, 20 PEOPLE KEYS, MAYBE IT'S WORTH A TRIAL PROGRAM.

SO THAT WAS WHERE WE HAD LEFT IT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

AND WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT TRIAL PROGRAM, BUT NEVER IDENTIFIED THE LOCATION JUST BECAUSE OTHER THINGS CAME UP.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? ANYBODY ONLINE? NOPE. AND I ASSUME NO ECOMMENTS.

NO ECOMMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS.

SO ANYBODY WANT TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET'S DISCUSS LET'S DISCUSS MEMBERSHIP.

SO MAST-UP DRY STORAGE, FORMER COMMISSIONER CARLSON WAS THE THIRD PERSON IN THAT COMMITTEE.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT COMMITTEE, WHO ELSE WOULD WE WANT ON THAT COMMITTEE? JUST A QUICK QUESTION, THOUGH, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER BEFORE ALL OF THIS.

AND CAN YOU PUT UP THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMMITTEES, SUBCOMMITTEES? I DOESN'T HAVE A DEFINED END DATE. AND THAT I GUESS THE COMPLETION DESK IS, WOULD SATISFY THAT.

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YEAH. SO WE WOULD NEED THAT TO THEN HAVE A DEFINED COMPLETION TASK IN ORDER FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE TO BE VALID.

DO WE HAVE THAT? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH WHAT ROGER HAD, IF HE FORWARDED IT TO US, WE COULD REVIEW IT AND SEE IF WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON IT SHOULD CONTINUE AND OR BE FLESHED OUT AND GO FORWARD, OR IF NOT. I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST REVISIT THAT BEFORE WE GET RID OF THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ONLY FAIR, RIGHT? OKAY.

I'M PUSHING TO GET RID OF IT. I'M JUST SAYING WE CAN'T KEEP IT IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE TWO PRONGS.

AND I THINK THE COMPLETION TASK WOULD BE TO OBTAIN HIS REPORT, LOOK AT IT, UPDATE IT IF NEEDED, AND THEN. WELL, THE COMPLETION TASK WOULD BE THE TASK OF THE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, NOT OUR NEXT MOVE FOR IT.

LIKE THE COMPLETION TEST. THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I'M SORRY, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE THREE PEOPLE WOULD GET THE REPORT, HAVE A MEETING TO LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE WHETHER THERE WAS ANY WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE OR NOT, AND THEN SUBMIT IT TO THE WATERFRONT PEOPLE, RIGHT? THE WORK DONE. THERE MAY STILL BE WORK DONE, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAVE A GOAL, A TASK.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS NECESSARILY. WELL THE TASK WOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH A PILOT PROJECT COULD RENT FOR, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE STEP THAT NEVER GOT DONE.

IS THERE A HARM IN A TARGET DATE FOR COMPLETION? AND AS WE NEAR IT NEEDING TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION, I MEAN, I, I'D BE WILLING TO STEP INTO THIS COMMITTEE WITH A GOAL OF HAVING A PROPOSAL TO STAFF FOR LOCATION AND PRICING BY, SAY, END OF MARCH OR APRIL, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

IS THERE A HARM IN US HAVING A TARGET DATE? AND THEN.

AS NEEDED AS WE DO OUR UPDATES, SAYING WE'RE AHEAD OF PLAN OR BEHIND PLAN.

THERE'S NO HARM IN THAT. I THINK WHAT I WOULD FOR THAT FIRST COMMITTEE. COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, PLEASE? THANK YOU.

SO FOR DRY BOAT STORAGE SPECIFICALLY, I HAVE A HARD TIME IDENTIFYING WHERE COUNCIL IS CURRENTLY DIRECTING US TO WORK ON THIS.

SO I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND WANTING TO FINISH WORK THAT'S ALREADY STARTED AND IT DID COME A LONG WAY.

I HAVE THE PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS. I WOULD RECOMMEND A DATE SO THAT EXPEDITES THE EVALUATION OF IT.

AND IT WOULDN'T BE, IF YOU DO DISCOVER THAT IT'S A DOABLE PROGRAM, YOUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE SUGGESTING THAT TO COUNCIL TO MAKE IT PART OF THE WORK PLAN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT PART OF YOURS TECHNICALLY OR OURS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THAT TASK. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND A DATE SO THAT WE CAN GET MOVING ON IT PRETTY SOON.

OKAY, SO IF WE PUT A DATE TO HAVE THAT PREPARED TO PRESENT AS A, TO SEE IF YOU GUYS GO FORWARD WITH IT OR TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP.

WE COULD PUT THAT OUT TO SAY AND OUR JANUARY MEETING.

YEAH. AND THEN. ABSOLUTELY. WITH THAT, THE PARKING IS OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE.

I'D IMAGINE WITH THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LOT OF PARKING SPOTS MOST LIKELY TO FULFILL THAT.

AND WE ARE DOING A PARKING STUDY RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF PARKING. WE'RE GETTING AN UPDATE LATER. PERFECT.

AND THAT WOULD CORRELATE PROBABLY IF WE. ASSUMING.

NUMBERS COME DOWN OF NEEDED MANDATED SPOTS. POTENTIALLY.

GOTCHA. YES. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE WANT TO DEFER ANY DECISION ON THIS UNTIL THE EXISTING COMMITTEE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW.

NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK WELL ONE I, IF I, IF WE GET TO MOTION I'LL I'D LIKE TO STEP INTO THE COMMITTEE AS WELL.

AND I THINK THAT THE OTHER TWO ON BOARD. I THINK WE COULD SET A JANUARY MEETING END DATE FOR TASK COMPLETION.

OKAY. SO IT'S WHAT I'M HEARING SUGGESTING IS WE COMMISSIONER WARYCK TO THE COMMITTEE OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND SET AN END DATE FOR JANUARY.

AND MAYBE ITS GOAL, ITS COMPLETION. WHICH IS COMPLETION GOAL, IS TO REVIEW THE EXISTING MATERIALS.

YEAH. AND TO ESTABLISH MAYBE A COST PER HOW MUCH IT WOULD, YOU KNOW.

YEAH, THE GOAL THAT JANUARY MEETING WOULD BE A PRESENTATION TO CITY OR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY OF WHERE WE THINK IT COULD GO.

AND THEN LET THEM DECIDE IF IT IS READY FOR THE NEXT STEP.

ALL RIGHT, IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO HANDLE THIS COMMITTEE BY COMMITTEE RATHER THAN TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, LUMP A MOTION INTO, YOU KNOW, THAT COVERS ALL FOUR COMMITTEES. SO DID YOU WANT TO TURN THAT INTO A MOTION? SURE, IF I CAN MOTION TO NOMINATE MYSELF THERE.

AND CAN I ALSO TIE IN OFF PUBLIC COMMENT, PERHAPS CHANGE THE COMMITTEE NAME FROM MAST-UP DRY BOAT STORAGE TO SIMPLY DRY BOAT STORAGE COMMITTEE.

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NEXT ITEM IS WATERFRONT EDUCATION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, MY SCREEN JUST WENT OUT.

IT'S CURRENTLY COMMISSIONER ABELMAN, COMMISSIONER BAUER, AND MYSELF.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER WATERFRONT EDUCATION ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO BECOME INVOLVED HERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T MET AT ALL ON THIS TOPIC.

SO I GUESS BEFORE I SPEAK, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITS PURPOSE IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO.

I'M HONORED. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE DO. SO FROM WHAT I RECALL, AND THIS WAS A WHILE BACK, WE HAD SOMEBODY OUT OF SAN DIEGO THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE CITY ON DEVELOPING THE JOE'S CRAB SHACK SITE INTO A BIG EDUCATION CENTER.

AND THOSE CONCERNS THAT LOCAL EDUCATION PROVIDERS WOULDN'T BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH A MORE BIG DOLLAR DEVELOPER.

SO I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT LOCAL EDUCATIONAL, ESPECIALLY WATERFRONT EDUCATION PARTNERS, WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION. SO IT'S MORPHED A BIT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT, WE MIGHT WANT TO REDEFINE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS.

THIS HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, RIGHT? WE'VE COMPLETELY SKIPPED OUT ON THIS.

AND WE HAVE THE MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER COMING IN NOW.

AND THEY'RE LOCAL? YEAH. RIGHT. SO THIS IS, SO WE'RE DONE, DUDE.

OKAY. SO, WE CAN PROBABLY JUST CHANGE WHAT WE DO THEN BECAUSE.

YEAH, IF. THERE'S A NEED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT.

YEAH, WE SHOULD ESTABLISH WHAT THE NEED IS. OR I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO KEEP IT, JUST KEEP IT AND THEN WAIT FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO COME UP ABOUT IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT TILL SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP. SO THEN THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A DEFINED END OR A TASK OR AN END.

YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO END THIS ONE AS IT EXISTS TODAY, AND AS, AS THE MARINE MAMMAL CARE PLAN COMES ALONG FURTHER, IF A NEW COMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE AND IF A NEW SUBCOMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE CREATED, WE COULD DO IT THEN. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ONE AS IT IS, DOESN'T APPLY ANYMORE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DISSOLVE THE WATERFRONT EDUCATION SUBCOMMITTEE.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND. TALK ABOUT IT.

NO, WE'VE ALREADY DONE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ENDING THE WATERFRONT EDUCATION COMMITTEE? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES.

SO RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO BE BRIEFED ON WHERE WE ARE.

THEY'RE REBUILDING? ARE THEY TEARING DOWN JOE'S CRAB SHACK AND REBUILDING? WELL I THINK THAT THAT'S COMING UNDER LIAISONS REPORT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, SEASIDE LAGOON COMMITTEE.

CURRENTLY, THE MEMBERS ARE COMMISSIONERS, CHRZAN AND FALK.

I THINK THIS ONE CERTAINLY NEEDS TO REMAIN. THAT WAY.

YEAH, I THINK SO. I ASSUME COMMISSIONER CARLSON OR FORMER COMMISSIONER CARLSON WAS THE OTHER MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO ANY SUGGESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I'LL VOLUNTEER. I MEAN IT'S A LOT. YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF US WANT TO BE ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE, SO. I DO NOT. YEAH, I, I DON'T. I'M, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ON IT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE ELSE WOULD AS WELL, SO. A LOT OF US WOULD. BUT YOU'RE NOT ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, SO.

YEAH, YEAH. AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE WITH THE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE ON IT.

DO ANY DOES ANYONE WANT TO STEP DOWN? I GUESS WOULD IT BE ANOTHER QUESTION RATHER THAN JUST SIMPLY ADDING ONE SPOT? WELL, ONE'S NOT HERE AND I DON'T THINK SO, SO.

THE ONE'S NOT HERE HAS PRETTY STRONG OPINIONS ON IT.

SO, I IMAGINE SHE WOULD REMAIN. SO. I'D NOMINATE I'D LIKE I'D MAKE A NOMINATION TO ADD COMMISSIONER MARK.

OKAY. TO THE SEASIDE LAGOON. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES, AND I ASSUME THAT THAT IMPLIES WE'RE CONTINUING THIS COMMITTEE.

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THIS IS CERTAINLY ONGOING. I THINK THERE CERTAINLY NEEDS TO MAINTAIN.

I KNOW IT WAS SUGGESTED. I WAS ADDED TO THE. I WAS ORIGINALLY ON THIS COMMITTEE AS AN ALTERNATE FOR WHICH I HAD NO OBLIGATION SINCE THEY NEVER NEEDED AN ALTERNATE AND IT WAS SUGGESTED LAST, IT WAS AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT PERHAPS A COMMISSIONER MARK WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, SINCE HE'S RIGHT IN THAT AREA. YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I PARTICIPATED IN A LOT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, AND MEETINGS FOR THAT. SO I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO STEP IN THERE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO STEP DOWN.

COMMISSIONER BAUER, DO YOU WANT TO REMAIN ON THAT COMMITTEE? YEAH, I DO.

THAT'D BE. IF LESLIE WANTS TO. SHE'S NOT HERE.

SHE IS IN THREE. IF YOU DO A QUICK A QUICK COUNT, I AM IN NONE.

JUST. ALL RIGHT. HOW DOES THE ALTERNATE WORK? WHAT'S THAT? HOW DOES THAT? I WAS ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS APPOINTED, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED, TOO, BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO ME THAT IF YOU'RE AN ALTERNATE, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE RUN INTO DANGERS OF VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT, SO. 100%. ELIZABETH, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT DOESN'T.

OKAY. WELL, IT JUST WORKS FOR LIKE WHEN A SITUATION HAPPENS, LIKE IT DID HERE, WHERE ROGER LEAVES AND YOU'RE, WELL, YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE IDEA OF SOMEBODY.

I THINK OUR SUBCOMMITTEES ARE THAT ACTIVE TO ACETATE AN ALTERNATE.

YEAH, I AGREE. ALL RIGHT. SO, I'M HAPPY AS I'M NOT A TRAILER PERSON.

I'M HAPPY TO REMOVE MY, TO BE REMOVED FROM THE BOAT LAUNCH COMMITTEE IF COMMISSIONER MARK WANTS TO TAKE MY PLACE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THERE'S NO MOTION RIGHT NOW. IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER MARK TO JOIN THE BOAT LAUNCH SUBCOMMITTEE.

REPLACING COMMISSIONER COLLER. REPLACING COMMISSIONER COLLER. DO I HAVE A SECOND? CHAIR COLLER. CHAIR.

CHAIR COLLER. CHAIR. OH, SO SORRY, CHAIR COLLER.

LET ME FIX MY MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER MARK TO THE BOAT LAUNCH COMMITTEE REPLACING CHAIR COLLER.

I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN. YOUR TRANSITION.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, I THINK THAT COVERS ALL OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEES AT THIS POINT.

WOULD THE CITY, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT US TO TAKE ON ANYTHING FOR ANOTHER SUBCOMMITTEE? IF NEEDED. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU REVIEW THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

THERE'S AN ENTIRE SECTION JUST FOR THE WATERFRONT.

YOU COULD BRING THIS BACK AS ANOTHER, AT ANOTHER TIME TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN, THAT THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING YOU FROM LOOKING AT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN AND IDENTIFYING SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD REALLY GET A SUBCOMMITTEE TOGETHER TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THIS. AT THE MOMENT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THERE. I'M HAPPY TO, WE CAN PROBABLY PULL UP THE STRAT PLAN ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WANT TO VIEW IT NOW.

WASN'T THERE SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING? WASN'T THERE ANOTHER COMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING IT TO THE LAST ONE? NO, NO.

THE BASIN THREE PROJECTS PRETTY BIG, RIGHT. IS THAT, IS THERE MUCH INPUT NEEDED ON THAT OR IS THAT PRETTY MUCH A GO? MIO, CAN WE TURN THE SCREEN OFF IT'S REALLY DISTRACTING. YEAH. SO. SO BASIN THREE IS, WE RECEIVED GRANT MONEYS FOR THAT PROJECT AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH REPAIRS.

SO WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED OUR GREATEST NEEDS IN THAT AREA.

IT'S NOT A DESIGN CONVERSATION. IT'S MORE LIKE, WOW, THESE ARE REALLY OUTDATED AND OUT OF SHAPE.

AND WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG STORM SEASON COMING AHEAD.

AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND WORKED WITH OUR HARBOR TEAM TO IDENTIFY WHERE OUR BIGGEST NEEDS ARE ON THAT PROJECT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THE COMMISSION UPDATE AS A WHOLE, BUT IN TERMS OF RECEIVING FEEDBACK, THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM THERE FOR THAT. WE JUST KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO FIX VERY QUICKLY.

I THINK YOU'RE COVERING THAT MORE IN THE REPORT, AREN'T YOU? I HAVE A LOT, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER L.3, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN UPDATE ON THE MARINA PARKING REQUIREMENT ADJUSTMENT STUDY. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION BY MIO.

OKAY, SO MOVING ON TO L.3. THIS ITEM IS AN INTRODUCTION TO THE MARINA PARKING REQUIREMENT ADJUSTMENT STUDY.

THIS CAME FROM THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN. AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THE BACKGROUND AND WHERE WE ARE NOW AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ROLE IS.

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CURRENTLY, THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AND THE MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIRE 3/4 OF AN OFF-STREET PARKING SPACE PER SLIP.

AND THE GOAL OF THIS STUDY IS TO EVALUATE WHETHER THAT REQUIREMENT REFLECTS ACTUAL DEMAND.

AGAIN THIS CAME FROM THE CITY'S 2025 TO 26 STRAT PLAN.

AND IN NOVEMBER 2025 COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FINDING A CONSULTANT FOR THE STUDY, AND OUR CONSULTANT IS FEHR & PEERS, WHICH WE'VE SELECTED THROUGH A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS PROCESS AND COUNCIL APPROVED THE AGREEMENT IN MAY OF 2026 FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $35,000. SO WHERE DO WE STAND TODAY? THE STUDY IS IN ITS FINAL STAGES. SO FAR, FEHR & PIERCE HAS COMPLETED DATA COLLECTION, WHICH INCLUDED PARKING COUNTS AND OCCUPANCY AND UTILIZATION SURVEYS DURING A WEEKDAY AND A WEEKEND DAY. SO I BELIEVE IT WAS THE DATA COLLECTION WAS DURING SATURDAY, MAY 30TH AND THURSDAY, JUNE 4TH. LET'S SEE. THEY ALSO FINISHED THE PARKING DEMAND ANALYSIS AND EVALUATED SURROUNDING LAND USES.

AND THEY'VE REVIEWED BOTH PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN PEER JURISDICTIONS.

SO IN MARINA DEL REY, LONG BEACH, NEWPORT BEACH AND DANA POINT AND THEY'RE NOW PREPARING A TECHNICAL MEMORANDUM FOR SUMMARIZING THEIR FINDINGS, WHICH STAFF WILL REVIEW. AND WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE THAT IN EARLY NOVEMBER.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, IN EARLY 2027, FEHR & PEERS WILL PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO THE NEXT STEPS, IF THE FINDINGS SUPPORT AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENT AND IF CITY COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE ONE, THEN STAFF WOULD PREPARE AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE LCP.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE COMMISSION WOULD COME IN.

THE LOCAL REVIEW INCLUDES AT LEAST ONE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, ONE HARBOR COMMISSION MEETING AND TWO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

SO THE PROCESS WOULD TAKE ABOUT 3 TO 4 MONTHS TO UPDATE THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND AFTER THAT, THE LCP AMENDMENT WOULD GO TO THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION, WHICH TAKES ABOUT 4 TO 6 MONTHS.

SO AFTER ANY COUNCIL DIRECTION, THE FULL PROCESS WOULD TAKE ROUGHLY 7 TO 10 MONTHS.

AND TONIGHT IS ONLY AN UPDATE. SO THE ONLY ACTION NEEDED IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PRESENTATION, AND STAFF WILL BRING THE ITEM BACK IF COUNCIL DIRECTS IT.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? ROGER CARLSON, KING HARBOR, BOULDER. I REALLY WISH THIS ONE HAD COME TO THE HARBOR COMMISSION BEFORE THE STUDY WAS DONE.

BEFORE THE TWO DAYS THAT PARKING WAS SURVEYED.

IF YOU DID A PARKING SURVEY OF THE GALLERIA MALL RIGHT NOW, YOU MIGHT SAY, WOW, WE GOT A LOT OF PARKING PLACES HERE, WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON IN THE MALL.

ON THE DAYS THIS SURVEY WAS DONE I WISH THERE HAD ALSO BEEN A SURVEY OF HOW MANY EMPTY BOAT SLIPS THERE ARE, AND HOW MANY ABANDONED AND UNREGISTERED BOATS THERE ARE.

SOME OF THE MARINAS ARE PRETTY FULL. TYPICALLY PORTOFINO AND PORT ROYAL HAVE A HALF A DOZEN EMPTY SLIPS, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF BOATS THAT AREN'T REGISTERED, AREN'T USED, ARE BASICALLY ABANDONED.

AND WITHOUT A SURVEY OF THAT, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE USE IS.

AND YOU MAY END UP TAKING AWAY PARKING SPACES.

AND WHEN THAT MARINA COMES BACK, WHEN PORT ROYAL, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS NEW SLIPS AND NEW FACILITIES AND NEW MARKETING, THEY MAY NEED THOSE PARKING SPACES. I DON'T HAVE THE KEYS TO PORT ROYAL OR PORTOFINO, BUT I'VE DONE SURVEYS WALKING AROUND EVERY SINGLE DOCK IN KING HARBOR MARINA TWICE. AND I'VE FOUND, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A THIRD OF THE SLIPS EITHER EMPTY OR BOATS MORE THAN TWO CYCLES OUT OF REGISTRATION. RIGHT NOW, A BOAT SHOULD HAVE A 27 STICKER ON IT.

I COUNT, I COUNTED BOATS THAT HAD NOT 27, NOT 25, BUT 23.

SOMEONE WHO HADN'T BEEN DOWN IN 4 OR 5 YEARS TO PUT A STICKER ON THEIR BOAT AS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ABANDONED OR WHATEVER. AND, YOU KNOW, I FOUND A THIRD OF SLIPS EMPTY THERE.

SO IF YOU WERE TO WALK AROUND KING HARBOR MARINA AND SAY, WOW, BOY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GIVE UP A THIRD OF OUR PARKING SPACES.

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SO YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO DO A SURVEY, OR AT LEAST TALK TO THE MARINA OPERATORS AND SEE HOW MANY EMPTY SLIPS AND ABANDONED BOATS THEY HAVE GOING ALONG WITH THIS. AND I THINK THE OWN HARBOR COMMISSION, KNOWING DATA ON THE CLEANUP IN THE SOUTH BASIN IN REDONDO BEACH MARINA, YOU MAY HAVE SOME INSIGHT INTO, INTO HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, ABANDONED BOATS YOU HAVE THERE, HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WET BOAT STORAGE YOU HAVE GOING ON.

SO, THANKS. WE HAVE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? NO PARTICIPANTS IN ZOOM.

MARK HANSEN, KING HARBOR BOATER. I'LL ECHO WHAT ROGER CARLSON SAID.

I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD, GOOD COMMENTS TO THINK ABOUT.

WE WANT TO KEEP MAKING THE HARBOR HEALTHIER. AND EVERY TIME WE MAKE IT HEALTHIER, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE PARKING PLACES BACK.

BUT I WANT TO ADD TWO KIND OF NON-VOTING THINGS TO KEEP IN CONSIDERATION.

THE MARKET HALL. OKAY. BACK DURING CENTERCAL, I THINK MOST OF US RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS LIKE THE ONLY THING THAT KIND OF BOTH SIDES IN OUR CIVIL WAR AGREED WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. AND IT'S BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT WE'VE HAD AN UNSOLICITED OFFER FROM SOMEBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MARKET HALL.

IF WE GO FROM ALL THAT SINGLE-STORY SPREAD-OUT STUFF TO A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT MULTI-LEVEL FACILITY WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LOT MORE PARKING.

SO PERHAPS MAYBE WHAT I WOULD SAY HERE IS THIS DISCUSSION IS ALMOST PREMATURE.

YOU KNOW THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO HOLD BACK ON MAKING ANY DECISIONS UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HECK WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT RELATIVELY MAJOR POTENTIAL REDO IN THAT, THAT AREA. THEN ALSO, OF COURSE COMMISSIONER JAKE MARK MADE A GOOD REFLECTION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DRY BOAT STORAGE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE AT THE PARKING.

AND, AND TO ME, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE MAY BE TRYING TO PUT OUR, OUR HEAD IN THE SAND A LITTLE BIT ON THAT ISSUE.

BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE FOOLISH NOT TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE THE COASTAL COMMISSION COMES IN AND ORDERS US TO DO SOMETHING.

I THINK WE WANT TO DECIDE HOW MUCH AND WHERE.

SO AGAIN, THAT COULD BE A BIG WELL, AT LEAST A MODEST EFFECT ON THE STORE, ON THE ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING.

SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE GOT A COUPLE MAJOR THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LEARN ABOUT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THIS ONE.

THANKS SO MUCH. OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT.

I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT FROM WHAT I HEARD, THEY JUST DID ONE WEEKDAY AND ONE WEEKEND STUDY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND DO WE AS A CITY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A PROPER SAMPLE SIZE TO CREATE A $35,000 STUDY TO SEE HOW OUR PARKING IS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE. SO THAT'S WHY WE HIRED THE COMPANY THAT DOES THIS.

SO, WHEN THEY TELL US THAT THEY REQUIRE ONE WEEKDAY, ONE WEEKEND, WE USUALLY USE THEIR ADVISEMENT ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. SO WHICH WEEKEND WAS THE STUDY DONE ON? MIO, DO YOU HAVE THE DATES ON HAND? YES, IT WAS SATURDAY, MAY 30TH, AND THURSDAY, JUNE 4TH.

OKAY, SO IT'S A HOLIDAY WEEKEND. SO THE THEORY THAT WOULD BE THE MOST USAGE BY BOATERS.

ONE OTHER, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS PARTICULAR STUDY IS SOLELY TO DETERMINE THE RATIO OF PARKING SPACES TO BOAT SLIPS FOR MARINAS AND ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS, EITHER DUE TO THE CALIFORNIA SURF CLUB OR THE MARKET HALL OR ANYTHING ELSE IS IN ADDITION TO THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, THIS IS JUST FOR THE BOAT SLIPS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PARKING STRUCTURES OR WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE PARKING STRUCTURES? I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD INCLUDE THE PARKING STRUCTURES.

NO. OKAY. SO, IF IT'S JUST SPACES TO SLIPS, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE THAT DAY.

CORRECT. I MEAN, ONE THING I WOULD NOTICE THAT THAT THE MAY ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY I THINK MAY 30TH. MAY 30TH WAS SATURDAY, WASN'T IT? YES, SATURDAY. OKAY, SO THAT WAS NOT MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

THAT WAS THE WEEKEND AFTER MEMORIAL DAY. SO IT WAS ONE HOLIDAY WEEKEND, ONE NON-HOLIDAY WEEKEND.

AND ALSO, SO ONE OTHER THING, WHICH. THAT WAS NOT A HOLIDAY WEEKEND.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH. YEAH. ONE OTHER YEAH.

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I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THAT IS USED.

THE SPACES THAT THEY TAKE UP ON WEEKENDS WAS THAT.

DO THEY FACTOR INTO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? TO BE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE STILL FINALIZING THEIR MEMORANDUM FOR US.

SO THAT WOULD PROVIDE ALL OF THEIR FINDINGS TO STAFF.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH AN UPDATE ON WHAT THEIR FINDINGS WERE, BUT AS OF NOW, I DON'T HAVE THE FULL PICTURE OF HOW THEY'VE DONE THEIR PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT. SO AT LEAST IN KING HARBOR MARINA, THE SPACES ARE NOT SOLELY FOR THE BOATERS. THE BOATERS SHARE THE SPACES WITH THE PUBLIC.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW COUNTING THE SPACES PER BOAT WOULD IMPACT WHAT, WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY TAKE SOME PORTION OF THAT PARKING AND REMOVE IT BOTH FROM THE BOATERS AND FROM THE PUBLIC TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS THE POINT HERE? WHAT IS THE INTENT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'M NOT QUITE SURE. IT'S PRIOR TO MY TIME. I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE STRAT PLAN. WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL? AND AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST A RECEIVE AND FILE FOR THE UPDATE WE HAVE TO DATE.

WHEN WE BRING IT BACK WITH THE RESULTS AND THE FINDINGS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DEVELOP THAT RAPPORT MORE AND HAVE THE CONSULTANT HERE WITH US SO THAT THEY CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE AREAS THEY STUDIED, THE STALLS THAT THEY CONSIDERED, WHETHER OR NOT PARKING GARAGES WERE INCLUDED, AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. AND IF IT'S JUST BOATS AND THE PERSON BRINGING THAT TRAILER DOWN, OR IF IT'S BOATS THAT ARE THERE THAT CATER TO CUSTOMERS AS WELL BECAUSE THEY COME IN REGULAR CARS.

IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT HERE TO WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE STUDY WAS FOR.

OKAY. OKAY, SO THIS IS DEFINITELY COMING BACK TO THE HARBOR COMMISSION.

OH YEAH. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT, GOING ON TO ITEM NUMBER L.4. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH PROJECT.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE DAVID CHAROBEE TO WALK YOU THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DAVID CHAROBEE, SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST WITH THE WATERFRONT DEPARTMENT. I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH GRANT THAT WE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR.

SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAYBE WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE LAST MET AT HARBOR COMMISSION.

SO MOFFATT & NICHOL. ACTUALLY, I SHOULD START AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

THE CITY HAS BEEN REVIEWING VARIOUS LOCATIONS FOR THIS BOAT LAUNCH SINCE THE 1960S.

VARIOUS MOLES, VARIOUS SIZE SECTIONS OF THE HARBOR HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED, AND THIS CAME TO A CULMINATION WHENEVER MEASURE C WAS PASSED, WHICH PLACED VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS UPON THE BOAT LAUNCH.

IF YOU DON'T RECALL, MEASURE C REQUIRED THAT IT MUST BE LOCATED ON MOLD D.

MUST NOT RESULT IN THE LOSS OF ANY BOAT SLIPS.

IT MUST BE A SAFE DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE HAND LAUNCH AND SWIMMING AREAS.

KEEP IN MIND WE NOW HAVE WATER POLO GOING ON.

TWO LAUNCH LANES AND 30 DOUBLE LENGTH BOAT TRAILER VEHICLE PARKING STALLS OR 60 TRAILER SPACES TOTAL.

IT MUST ALSO ACCOMMODATE A 12 FOOT WIDE PUBLIC ESPLANADE OR PROMENADE.

NOW, IN 2024, MOFFATT & NICHOL WENT INTO CONTRACT WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP LOCATION CONCEPTS, CONDUCT PUBLIC OUTREACH, CONDUCT TECHNICAL STUDIES AND SUBMIT THE GRANT APPLICATION WITH CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF BOATING AND WATERWAYS FOR THE BOAT LAUNCH FACILITY GRANT.

NOW, THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC AMENITIES PLAN, SWA SPENT ABOUT A YEAR GATHERING FEEDBACK.

THEY HELD MULTIPLE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS, ONLINE SURVEYS, POP UP EVENTS THAT SOLICITED FEEDBACK FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS ON WHAT FEATURES FOR A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH THEY FOUND DESIRABLE.

AND FOR THIS PROJECT SWA BUILDS UPON YEARS WORTH OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND THEY HAD AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH WORKSHOP THAT HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER 23RD OF 2025. IT WAS HOSTED HERE AT THE LIBRARY TO SHOWCASE THE VARIOUS DESIGN OPTIONS THAT MOFFATT & NICHOL HAD BEEN WORKING ON IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HARBOR COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THEY WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THE BOATING COMMUNITY SOLICIT FEEDBACK.

LET'S TALK A BIT ABOUT HARBOR COMMISSION INVOLVEMENT.

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THEY MET ONCE IN AUGUST 20TH, 2025 TO REVIEW THE LOCATION OPTIONS.

AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025, TO REVIEW THE TECHNICAL STUDIES.

AND THEN A FINAL TIME IN OCTOBER OF 2025 AFTER THE PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH PUBLIC MEETING, THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP TO REVIEW A REFINED VERSION OF OPTION E. NOW, IN OCTOBER OF 2025, THE HARBOR COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO APPLY FOR THE BOAT LAUNCH FACILITY GRANT USING OPTION E.

AND IN NOVEMBER OF 2025, CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY AGREED WITH HARBOR COMMISSION AND AUTHORIZED STAFF AND MOFFATT & NICHOL TO APPLY FOR THE BOAT LAUNCH FACILITY GRANT USING OPTION E. SO IF YOU WEREN'T THERE AT THE TIME, HERE'S A LITTLE REVIEW OF OPTION E.

SO BASED ON PUBLIC FEEDBACK FROM THE WORKSHOP OPTION E WAS CREATED BY MOFFATT & NICHOL AND SERVES AS SORT OF A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL OPTION A AND B.

NOW, THE RAMP WAS ORIENTED AT MORE OF A 45 DEGREE ANGLE, WHICH IS AS FAR AS IT COULD BE ROTATED, WITHOUT REQUIRING A SHEET PILE WALL TO BE BUILT IN ORDER TO ACCOUNT FOR WAVE ATTENUATION.

NOW, THIS WOULD PROVIDE AN ALSO AN ADDITIONAL 30FT OF SPACE MORE THAN OPTION A IN THAT CHANNEL FOR VESSELS TO TRAVERSE AND HAVE MORE NAVIGATIONAL SPACE. SO ONE DOWNSIDE TO THIS OPTION WAS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE THE RAMP TO BE AT A HIGHER GRADING THE PAD TO BE RAISED TO A HIGHER LEVEL COMPARED TO, SAY, OPTION A, SO THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH TURNAROUND SPACE AND THAT THEY WOULD ACCOUNT PROPERLY FOR WAVE ATTENUATION AS WELL.

NOW HERE'S THE UPDATE THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU GUYS SINCE THEN.

SO IN JANUARY OF 2026, MOFFATT & NICHOL WORKED WITH STAFF TO APPLY FOR THE BOAT LAUNCH FACILITY GRANT USING A PROPOSAL BASED ON OPTION E, WITH A FEASIBILITY STUDY OF $16.8 MILLION FOR ESTIMATED PROJECT COST.

YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN THERE ON THE RIGHT OF HOW THEY ARRIVED AT THAT NUMBER. NOW, THIS INCLUDED THE RESTROOMS AND A RAISED PAD FOR A 50 YEAR SEA LEVEL RISE STANDARD BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE BOAT LAUNCH SUBCOMMITTEE AND OTHERS.

NOW, DBW CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT TO MOLE D IN APRIL OF 2026 AND MET WITH MOFFATT & NICHOL, MET WITH STAFF AND DBW EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST OF THE PROJECT. IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THEY TYPICALLY SEE FOR A BOAT LAUNCH THAT THEY FUND THROUGH THEIR GRANT.

NOW, AFTER WE GOT THIS FEEDBACK FROM DBW, MOFFATT & NICHOL WORKED TO IDENTIFY WHERE COSTS COULD BE REDUCED WHILE STILL RETAINING THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE RAMP DESIGN. AND THIS WAS DONE AS WELL IN COMBINATION WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

NOW MOFFATT & NICHOL REVISED THE DESIGN BY LOWERING THE TOP OF THE RAMP FROM 15FT TO 12FT AND REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF SOIL THAT WAS NEEDED TO RAISE THE SITE.

NOW, THESE CHANGES AVOID ADDING SIGNIFICANT LOADS TO THE EXISTING SEAWALLS, ALLOWING THEIR REPLACEMENT TO BE DEFERRED.

THE PROPOSED RESTROOM BUILDING WAS ALSO REMOVED BECAUSE IT WOULD PLACE ADDITIONAL WEIGHT NEAR THE SEAWALLS.

THE REVISED DESIGN STILL PROVIDES A FUNCTIONAL BOAT LAUNCH AND ALLOWS THE RAMP TO BE RAISED IN THE FUTURE.

IF SEA LEVEL RISE OR OVERTOPPING BECOMES A RECURRING CONCERN.

THE REMOVAL OF THE RESTROOMS DOES NOT NECESSARILY PRECLUDE RESTROOMS FROM BEING INSTALLED AT A FUTURE DATE AS PART OF A SEPARATE PROJECT.

SO AGAIN, ALL THESE REVISIONS TAKE IT FROM THE 50-YEAR SEA LEVEL RISE STANDARD TO 20 YEARS.

IT ALSO REMOVES FROM THIS PHASE THE INSTALLATION OF THE RESTROOMS BUT ESSENTIALLY CUTS IN IN HALF THE COST OF THE PROJECT OR NEAR IN HALF.

THIS PUTS IT IN ALIGNMENT WITH PAST BOAT LAUNCHES THAT DBW HAS SUCCESSFULLY FUNDED THROUGH THIS GRANT.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S CHANGING. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S STAYING THE SAME IN THE REVISED SUBMISSION.

SO THE REVISED SCOPE FOCUSES ON PRESERVING THOSE ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS WHILE ALLOWING SOME OF THE AMENITIES, SUCH AS RESTROOMS, TO BE CONSIDERED IN A LATER PHASE.

SO THE LOCATION AND ORIENTATION OF MOST OF THE BOAT RAMP ON MOLE D REMAINS THE SAME.

THERE'S STILL TWO LAUNCH LANES. STILL GOT THE SAME PARKING AND CIRCULATION.

IT'S STILL GOT A PUBLIC ESPLANADE AND PROMENADE ACCESS.

THE EXISTING RESTAURANTS ARE STILL PROTECTED IN PLACE.

THE IMPROVED NAVIGATION WITHIN THE CHANNEL REMAINS THE SAME.

AND THE DESIGN WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR, LIKE I MENTIONED, THOSE RESTROOMS TO BE ADDED AT A LATER TIME.

AND LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS LOWERS THE COST OF THE OF THE PROJECT INTO ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT DBW HAS FUNDED BEFORE IN THE PAST.

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IN JULY OF 2027, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA'S BUDGET WILL BE ADOPTED, INCLUDING THE RECOMMENDED BOAT LAUNCH AGREEMENTS.

AND IN THE FALL OR WINTER OF 2027, AFTER THE GRANT HAS BEEN AWARDED, CITY WOULD RECEIVE THAT GRANT AGREEMENT AND PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THAT SIGNING. I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ONCE THE GRANT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN RECEIVED, THERE STILL IS MORE TO PHASE TWO.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL REFINEMENTS TO THE DESIGN, MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WOULD BE CONDUCTED, INCLUDING ENGAGEMENT WITH HARBOR COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, PERMITTING, ENTITLEMENTS AND CONSTRUCTION.

SO THIS IS REALLY JUST PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM.

CAN YOU PULL UP THE MAP AGAIN? THE OVERHEAD.

SO THE RESTROOMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE ARE USED TO, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DOCK SPACE THERE THAT ARE LIVEABOARDS ARE THERE.

SO THERE'S RESTROOMS AND SHOWERS, THERE'S LAUNDRY FACILITIES WHICH WILL BE REMOVED TO BUILD THIS LAUNCH RAMP.

AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO RESTROOMS. IS THAT SOMETHING? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT, I DON'T LIKE THAT CAN BE DONE.

THAT IS, WHERE DO THOSE PEOPLE GO FOR THEIR FACILITIES THAT WE USE ALREADY? RIGHT, SO THERE STILL ARE PUBLIC RESTROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK AND ALONG OTHER SECTIONS OF THE HARBOR. THERE WOULD BE AN IMPACT TO SHOWER FACILITIES, OBVIOUSLY, UNTIL A REPLACEMENT FOR THOSE IS BUILT.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MUNI CODE REQUIREMENTS OR ANY STATE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE SHOWERS.

BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE TIMETABLE WOULD BE TO REPLACE THAT FEATURE OF SHOWERS.

OKAY. I MEAN, YOU GUYS, DOES ANYONE HAVE MORE INSIGHT ON THAT? THAT JUST SEEMS. I. SO DO WE HAVE LIVEABOARDS IN BASIN THREE? WE DO. WE DO. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. FOR. AND THE BATHROOMS ARE CLOSED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, THEY'RE NOT OPEN 24/7. YEAH, AT LAST TALLY WITH THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE MARINA THERE THEY IDENTIFIED FOUR LIVEABOARDS IN BASIN THREE.

IN THE LIVEABOARDS LEASE AGREEMENTS FOR THEM TO LIVE THERE.

IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE PAPERWORK THAT REQUIRES THE PATHWAY? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT WITH THE CONTRACT, THE MARINA. IT SEEMS LIKE I MEAN, FROM BASIC, I DON'T KNOW, LANDLORD TENANT LAW ON WATER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A BASIC REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE, TO LIVE THERE.

ANOTHER QUESTION, I HAVE DBW SAID THAT THIS WAS VERY EXPENSIVE, MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THEY'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, BUT THEY DIDN'T, DID THEY SAY THAT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT? SO DAVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THEY SAID IT WITHOUT SAYING IT.

IF WE LEFT IT AS IT WAS, WE WOULD NOT GET FUNDED.

GOT IT. SO THEY GAVE US GUIDANCE ON HOW TO REDUCE COSTS WHILE STILL MEETING THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR STANDARDS.

AND WE FOLLOW THAT IN THE HOPES THAT WE WOULD GET IT TO A PRICE POINT WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE FUNDED FOR THE PROJECT.

AND SO THAT MEANS WE HAD TO SACRIFICE CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WE WANTED IN THERE.

NOW, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS STRONGLY AND WE DO NEED TO DO SOME HOMEWORK, I BELIEVE IF THEY NEED AT A MINIMUM, RESTAURANTS, RESTROOMS, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THOSE ON INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK AVAILABLE 24/7.

WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS AND PUBLIC WORKS TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS, AND THAT THEY'RE CLEAN AND MAINTAIN ON A REGULAR BASIS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR SHOWER FACILITIES, THOUGH, SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF THAT.

BUT IT'S WHAT WAS NEEDED TO GET DONE IN ORDER TO GET IT TO A PRICE POINT WHERE THEY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER OUR APPLICATION.

IT MAKES SENSE. IT'S JUST I DON'T WANT TO BE IN VIOLATION OF SOMEBODY.

ABSOLUTELY. YES. I MEAN, I KNOW MOST MARINA IS DISCOURAGED OR ACTUALLY ANY TENANTS FROM USING THE TOILET FACILITIES ON THEIR BOATS AND PREFER THEM TO USE THE. YEAH, IN THEORY THEY SHOULD ALL BE GOING INTO HOLDING TANKS ANYWAY, ALTHOUGH FOR IF THEY'RE USING SHOWER FACILITIES OR BOATS, THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO HOLDING TANKS. THOSE ARE GOING DIRECTLY INTO THE HARBOR. WHAT ARE THE OTHER MARINAS HAVE?

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YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SHOWERS AND BATHROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE 24/7 TO TENANTS VIA KEY.

PORTOFINO ALSO. PORT ROYAL AS WELL. IS IT, IS THERE AN INTENT TO TRANSITION THIS BASIN TO COMMERCIAL USE AND NOT PRIVATE BOATERS OR LIVEABOARDS? THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS SURROUNDING THE BASIN.

PRIMARILY WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON UPDATING FACILITIES AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

IT IS A VERY OUTDATED AND OLD BASIN. THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AMPLIFYING OUR COMMERCIAL FOOTPRINT IN THAT SPACE, WHICH MIGHT MEAN THAT THE LIVEABOARDS NO LONGER HAVE SPACE.

WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT LIVEABOARDS THAT DON'T HAVE BOATS THAT ACTUALLY FUNCTION, WHICH IS PART OF OUR SAFE PROGRAM RESPONSE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SEAWORTHY VESSELS IN THERE.

AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE VERY QUESTIONABLE STATE RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THIS BASIN, BUT I CAN'T CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH REMOVING THEM ALTOGETHER.

THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I'M JUST CURIOUS. I MEAN, REMOVING, CHANGING THE RAMP TO A 20 YEAR VERSUS A 50 AND REMOVING BATHROOMS REMOVED HALF THE BUDGET.

I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT BREAKDOWN IS. IF IT'S KNOWN AS LIKE WHAT AMOUNT WOULD BE NEEDED TO ADD THE BATHROOMS LATER OR POTENTIALLY ADJUST THE RAMP LATER? DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE COST WAS FOR THE RESTROOMS ALONE? YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH MOFFATT & NICHOL AND SEE IF WE CAN GET AN ANSWER ON THAT BREAKDOWN. AND I REALIZE WE'RE JUST RECEIVING FILING.

I JUST CURIOSITY IS. THEY'RE GREAT QUESTIONS.

VERY NICE BATHROOMS. THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE IF THE BATHROOMS ARE GONE AND I DON'T, I'M NOT CLEAR WHERE THE BATHROOMS ONLY FOR THE TENANTS THERE. OR WERE THE BATHROOMS ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE USING THE BOAT LAUNCH RAMP? I BELIEVE THOSE FOR BOTH. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.

IF I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN EXPECT PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR BOATS WHILE THEY'RE DRINKING COFFEE IN THE MORNING TO GO OUT AND NOT HAVE A RESTROOM AVAILABLE. I'VE JUST, NO BOAT RAMP I'VE EVER BEEN TO.

IT IS LIKE THAT. I DON'T. WELL, MAYBE SOME ON THE EAST COAST WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T CARE IF PEOPLE ARE PEEING IN THE WATER OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY DO THAT HERE SO. WELL, SERIOUSLY.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. WHAT'S THE CLOSEST PUBLIC ONE? THE ONE NEXT TO.

PROJECT BARLEY. PROJECT BARLEY. SO THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED IS THAT THIS IS ALL BEING DONE WHILE MAINTAINING THE CURRENT RESTAURANTS.

ARE THE RESTAURANTS GOING TO OPEN THEIR RESTROOMS TO PEOPLE OR.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I DOUBT IT. YEAH.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE. I DON'T KNOW THIS. I LIKE THAT THE COST WENT DOWN.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT, WHAT ANOTHER 8 MILLION WAS BUILDING UP THE LAND BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN A RESTROOM. RIGHT, AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF THE RESTROOM, RIGHT? THAT THE. SO HOW COULD YOU ADD A RESTROOM AFTER THE FACT THEN? SO PART OF THE DESIGN INCORPORATED THE RESTROOMS BEING IN, IF I COULD GO BACK TO THE MAP HERE, THE RESTROOMS BEING IN THE CORNER OF THE PROJECT SITE NEAR THE SEAWALL.

SO ANYTIME YOU ARE BUILDING SOMETHING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SEAWALL, THAT REQUIRES, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM AN ENGINEER WHO EXPLAINED THIS TO ME, IS THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A REVIEW OF THAT SEAWALL TO CONFIRM IF IT IS UP TO CURRENT CODE OR IF IT IS NOT.

THOSE SEAWALLS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WERE BUILT IN THE 1960S.

THEY DO NOT MEET CURRENT CODE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT CLOSE TO THEM, ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL WEIGHT TO THEM, YOU THEN NEED TO DO A REVIEW OF THEM THAT COULD POTENTIALLY REQUIRE THEM TO BE BUILT, REBUILT UP TO CODE.

ONCE YOU START REBUILDING SEAWALLS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE.

RIGHT. SO IS IT REALLY THE BATHROOM? IT'S JUST THE BUILDING.

IF WE WANTED TO PUT A HOT DOG STAND THERE, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING.

CORRECT. SO THERE IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU MENTIONED, IN PHASE TWO AND PERHAPS WITH A MARKET HALL TO BE BUILDING SOMETHING FURTHER BACK.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST AS CLOSE FURTHER BACK WHERE THE MARKET HALL WILL BE.

CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. THAT MARKET HALL IS OUR TENT AREA.

IS THAT KIND OF WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING? I HAVEN'T KIND OF GOT TO OFF SUBJECT, BUT IS THAT A PUBLIC BUILDING?

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IT'S RIGHT IN THAT AREA. EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO LAND IN THAT FOOTPRINT IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.

BUT IT WILL BE WELL WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OF THE BOAT RAMP.

RIGHT. SO MOFFATT & NICHOL CAME, THEY CAME BACK WITH THIS $8 MILLION SLASHING, WHICH IS GREAT.

AND THEY SAID THAT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE GOT RID OF.

WE DON'T KNOW THE ATTRIBUTABLE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE, WITH THIS REDUCTION TO KNOW HOW.

AND WE ALSO DON'T KNOW FROM HOW CLOSE OR FAR OFF.

IF 16 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY TO THEM, WE USUALLY SEE 14 MILLION.

LIKE WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE NUMBER. DO WE KNOW WHAT THEIR NUMBER NORMALLY IS? SO THE MOST RECENT PROJECT BOAT LAUNCH FACILITY THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THIS, THAT THEY FUNDED WAS THE DAVIS BOAT LAUNCH IN LONG BEACH, WHICH ALSO WAS LAST BUILT IN THE 1960S. AND THAT PROJECT, TO MY RECOLLECTION, IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT 7 TO 8 MILLION, WHICH THEY'RE RENOVATING NEXT YEAR. ALL RIGHT, 7 TO $8 MILLION, BUT BACK IN 1960. NO. RIGHT? THEY'RE PAYING 7 TO 8 MILLION TO RENOVATE IT.

I SEE OH, YEAH. SO I GUESS YOU'RE EXPECTING US TO SPEND ABOUT THE SAME TO BUILD A NEW ONE AS RENOVATING.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. RENOVATING IS NOT BUILDING A NEW ONE.

RIGHT. I WOULD THINK. RENOVATE YOUR KITCHEN VERSUS BUILDING A NEW HOUSE.

I WAS ALSO GOING FROM A FIFTH. THIS IS ALSO GOING FROM A 5TH YEAR TO A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO NEED TO PAY TO RAISE IT IN 20 YEARS? NOT A LIFE SPAN. SEA LEVEL RISE. YEAH. LIFESPAN.

YEAH. OR APPROPRIATE SEA LEVEL RISE. SO DE DBW HAS A SEPARATE GRANT FOR THE REBUILDING OF BOAT LAUNCHES THAT DBW HAS BUILT IN THE PAST. SO IF THEY PAY TO CONSTRUCT THIS BOAT LAUNCH, THEN IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S A SEPARATE GRANT THAT THE CITY COULD POTENTIALLY APPLY FOR IN THE FUTURE TO REPAIR IT OR MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO IT.

SO HOW MUCH IS THE GRANT? JUST PAY IT UP. THEY HAVEN'T TOLD US.

THEY JUST SAW THE INITIAL PRICE TAG AND SAID THAT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND THEN THEY GAVE US SOME COMPARABLES, AND IT WAS MORE ALONG THIS BALLPARK OF $8 MILLION.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PRIOR GRANTS WERE TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS THE CITY IS PAYING FOR VERSUS.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT MOST RECENT GRANTS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY BUILT FROM SCRATCH OUR RAMP IN RECENT HISTORY.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE THIS.

WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT THEY CARE HOW YOU GET THERE SO LONG.

THEIR NUMBER IS WHAT THEIR NUMBER IS. THE GRANT NUMBER IS WHAT THEIR GRANT NUMBER IS.

WHETHER IT'S REDOING AN OLD ONE OR PUTTING A NEW ONE IN, HERE'S YOUR 4 MILLION OR WHATEVER.

RIGHT. THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE ANNOUNCED A MAX ON THIS ONE.

THEY USUALLY IS, TO YOUR POINT, YES THERE'S A MINIMUM REQUEST AND A MAXIMUM REQUEST. I DON'T RECALL SEEING A MAXIMUM ON THIS ONE.

OR ACTUALLY HEAR FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC. ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WISH TO COMMENT? MARK HANSEN, KING HARBOR BOATER. FOR THE YEARS AND YEARS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS IDEA, THE CONCERN OVER THE UP RUSH, THAT'S BEEN A REALLY TRICKY ONE TO THINK ABOUT FOR SURE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES ME COMFORTABLE WITH THIS POSSIBLE COURSE OF ACTION IS THE CONCEPT OF THE MARKET HALL, OKAY. IF WE THINK QUICKLY ABOUT WHERE THE UP RUSH WOULD AFFECT, THAT'S THE AREA IT'S GOING TO AFFECT.

AND IF WE ARE OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDO THAT, WE WILL OF COURSE REDO IT RAISED UP A LITTLE BIT, SUPER EASY TO RAISE IT UP ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH THE UP RUSH.

SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS COURSE OF ACTION.

RESTROOMS. WE WERE DOING A LOT OF DISCUSSING WITHOUT A LOT OF RESEARCH.

I'VE GOT IN FRONT OF ME THE DIVISION OF BOATING AND WATERWAYS LAYOUT AND GUIDELINES FOR BOAT RAMPS.

IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MONEY.

OKAY. AND I'D ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED THIS FROM YEARS AGO.

SO HERE IT IS, RESTROOM FACILITIES GENERAL REQUIREMENTS.

MINIMUM RESTROOM REQUIREMENTS. ONE UNISEX RESTROOM FOR 20 PARKING SPACES OR FRACTION THEREOF, OR ONE TOILET FEATURE PER SEX AND ONE URINAL IN MEN'S ROOM FOR EACH 30 PARKING PLACES.

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AND OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT DISABLED VETERANS AND SO FORTH, SO FORTH.

SO THEY GO ON TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

THEN THEY SAY RESTROOMS SHOULD BE LOCATED NEAR AND CONVENIENT TO THE LAUNCHING RAMP, WITH DUE CONSIDERATION OF TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND ACCESSIBLE ROUTES BETWEEN THE RESTROOMS, LAUNCHING RAMP AND ACCESSIBLE PARKING PLACES.

SO I THINK A REASONABLE INTERPRETATION OF THIS IS TRYING TO USE SOME OVER AN INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK PROBABLY DOES NOT RISE TO WHAT I JUST READ TO YOU.

THEN, AND THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS. THEY GO ON TO SAY, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, RESTROOM BUILDINGS ARE TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF VANDAL RESISTANT, LOW MAINTENANCE, FIRE RESISTANT MATERIALS. CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE FOLLOWING.

AND THEN THERE'S A LIST OF ABOUT TWO THINGS, INCLUDING POLISHED CHROME PLATED MIRRORS AND GLASS MIRRORS, AND DOWN A WHOLE LIST OF TEN. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THE DIVISION OF BOATING WATERWAYS DOES NOT TAKE LIGHTLY.

SO NOW I THINK YOU'RE ALL SUFFICIENTLY EDUCATED TO KNOW WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET A GRANT FROM DIVISION OF BOATING AND WATERWAYS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RISE TO WHAT'S HERE. WHEN I GET HOME, I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER TO SEND THIS TO YOU ALL.

ROGER CARLSON, KING HARBOR BOATER. AT ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BATHROOM BUILDING.

WE WERE ALSO POTENTIALLY SAYING IT COULD BE AN OFFICE, A SUBSTATION FOR POLICE OR HARBOR PATROL.

SO IF THIS BATHROOM BUILDING HAS A DUAL USE, MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT BUCKET OF MONEY WE CAN FIND TO HELP FUND IT.

THANKS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ONLINE? NO ZOOM ATTENDEES, NO ECOMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE CERTAINLY.

SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS L, NOW ON TO M.1, LIAISONS REPORT.

[M. STAFF LIAISON ITEMS]

CATHERINE IS ON VACATION, BUT I'LL FILL IN TO MY BEST OF, THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

WE DO HAVE SOME EXCITING UPDATES FOR YOU TONIGHT. WE WERE AWARDED $26,000 IN SAFE GRANT MONEYS.

THIS WILL HELP US REMOVE SURRENDERED OR ABANDONED VESSELS OUT OF OUR HARBOR.

SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING FOR THE COMING YEAR. WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON BASIN 3.

I KNOW WE TOUCHED ON IT FOR A BIT. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME REPAIR WORK THAT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED.

SO WE GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WORKING ON THAT. YOU MAY SEE SOME FOLKS WORKING ON THAT BASIN IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS ACTUALLY.

WE'RE HOPING TO GET A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE TO ACTUALLY START SCRAPING SOME OF THE BOYS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE DOCKS TO GIVE THEM SOME MORE BUOYANCY OR BUOYANCY AS WE APPROACH A MORE STORMY SEASON AND YEAR. SO YOU'LL SEE FOLKS OUT THERE HERE PRETTY SOON.

WE DO GET WEEKLY UPDATES FROM THE ARMY CORPS ON THEIR BREAKWATER PROJECT, WHICH WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE DONE WITH, AND THE HARBOR FOR, BY NOW. BUT NOW THE NEW DEADLINE FOR THEMSELVES.

THEY'LL BE OUT OF THE HARBOR BY MID-NOVEMBER, HOPEFULLY NO LATER THAN LATE NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

THIS SHOULD BE DONE AND OUT OF OUR HAIR AND OUR BREAKWALL SHOULD BE READY FOR EL NIÑO.

AND THEN FOR THE SEASIDE LAGOON REHAB PROJECT, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COUNTERPARTS DID SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION OVER TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION IN LATE SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEPTEMBER 22ND, AND WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF OVER THERE.

ON JULY 21ST, I THOUGHT YOU MAYBE ALREADY RECEIVED THIS UPDATE.

IT'S ON THE OLD FUN FACTORY SPACE. HAVE YOU ALL RECEIVED AN UPDATE ON THIS YET? SO WE DID APPROVE AN EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT FOR THAT AREA WITH LEVEL UP ON JULY 21ST, AND WE CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM. THEY ARE DUE TO COME BACK WITH SOME DUE DILIGENCE TESTS BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

AND THEN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE MARINE MAMMAL CARE CENTER HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE JOE'S CRAB SHACK SITE ON OCTOBER 1ST AND ANNOUNCED THAT NOT ONLY DID THEY SECURE $15 MILLION IN GRANT FUNDING FROM THE STATE, BUT THEY ALSO ACQUIRED AN ADDITIONAL $15 MILLION IN DONATIONS FROM TWO VERY GENEROUS DONORS.

THEIR FUNDRAISING EFFORTS CONTINUE. AND SO A QUESTION THAT CAME UP EARLIER, YES, THEY ARE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE JOE'S CRAB SHACK BUILDING.

IT NEEDS TO GO. IT IS VERY OLD AND IN SHAMBLES.

NEXT STEPS. RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A FORMAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY FOR THAT SPACE.

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NOW THAT THEY'VE CONFIRMED THEY HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS NEXT STEPS IS TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WORKING ON A FORMAL LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THAT SPACE.

SO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THOSE UPDATES. AND THEN AS YOU SEE A NEW SECTION IN OUR UPDATES TO YOU ITS UPCOMING WATERFRONT EVENTS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUSY HOLIDAY SEASON AHEAD.

WE HAVE THE NIKE RUN HAPPENING IN A WEEK AND A HALF.

I WILL BE IN IT, ALONG WITH CATHERINE AND A FEW OTHER FOLKS AND FAMILIAR FACES YOU MIGHT SEE.

SO THINK ABOUT US. IT'LL BE A LONG 13 MILES. IT'LL BE BUSY IN THE WATERFRONT, THOUGH.

WE ARE PRESENTING TO THE CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW NIGHT. ACTUALLY, NIKE IS PRESENTING TO THE COUNCIL TOMORROW NIGHT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WALK COUNCIL THROUGH THEIR IMPACT MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE WATERFRONT AND RIVIERA VILLAGE.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE REALLY BIG BUSINESS HUBS FOR OUR CITY.

SO THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PARTNER WITH THOSE TWO COMMUNITIES.

THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE ROUTE ITSELF, THE EXPO DAYS, AS WELL AS PARKING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE WATERFRONT.

THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE STILL COME TO THE WATERFRONT AND AREN'T SCARED AWAY FROM THAT.

SO TUNE IN AND JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE AN UPDATE ON THAT.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS PUTTING TOGETHER AN EL NIÑO PREP WORKSHOP SPECIFICALLY FOR THE WATERFRONT.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A GENERAL CITY WORKSHOP, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A WATERFRONT FOCUSED WORKSHOP THAT IS GOING TO BE ON OCTOBER 29TH AT 6 P.M., I BELIEVE IT'S AT THE CANTINA.

MIO? YES. FANTASTIC. THEY CHANGED? TO WHERE? OH, NO.

NO. YOU CAN'T, BUT FILL ME IN SO I CAN FILL THEM IN.

OKAY. WE'LL HAVE FLIERS THAT WILL DISTRIBUTE TO YOU AS WELL.

WE WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT. GET FOLKS OUT TO BOTH OF THEM.

SO THOSE THAT ARE FURTHER INLAND AND DON'T HAVE BOATS SHOULD STILL ATTEND THE EL NIÑO PREP WORKSHOP FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. FOR THE WATERFRONT, IF YOU WERE OUT THERE THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LITTLE SKETCH DURING CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DAY.

SO IT'S NICE FOR FOLKS WHO DO HAVE BOATS OUT THERE OR BUSINESSES OUT THERE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REDONDO BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS TEAMS ARE DOING TO PROTECT OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR VOTERS OUT THERE. AND THEN ON OCTOBER 30TH, WE HAVE A PIER ASSOCIATION HALLOWEEN EVENT.

ON OCTOBER 31ST, WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD WITH THE LOCAL PARTNER TO ACTIVATE OUR INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK.

IT HAS BEEN SOME YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD EVENTS HAPPEN AT THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK, SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO TRY TO PARTNER WITH NEW FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE, BRING FAMILIES OUT. IT'S USUALLY THE KING HARBOR ASSOCIATION TO THE NORTH AND THE PIER TO THE SOUTH, AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING FOR THE INTERNATIONAL BOARDWALK FOLKS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GETTING SOME ATTENTION AS WELL. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE SOME OTHER ITEMS COMING UP.

MOST NOTABLY, DECEMBER 12TH WILL BE BUSY IN THE WATERFRONT.

WE HAVE A HOLIDAY CAR SHOW, HOLIDAY BOAT PARADE, AND A HOLIDAY COMMUNITY VIEWING AREA.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET A LITTLE MARKET, A CRAFT MARKET OUT THERE AS WELL, SO STAY TUNED.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS HAPPENING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. BUT THAT WRAPS UP MY LIAISON REPORT FOR YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YEAH, I'VE GOT ONE ACTUALLY, I GOT A COUPLE. MY FIRST ONE ON THE SAFE 26 GRANT.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I MEAN, IF YOU GOT ABANDONED, I ASSUME SOMEBODY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, ANCHOR THEIR BOAT IN THE HARBOR AND LEAVE, THAT'S ONE THING.

YOU TALK ABOUT, SERENITY BOATS. CAN SOMEBODY CALL UP THE CITY AND GO, I WANT TO GET RID OF MY BOAT, CAN YOU JUST TAKE IT FROM ME? SO THE GRANT FROM THIS IS. THIS IS ANOTHER DBW GRANT. THE SURRENDERED, ABANDONED VESSELS GRANT.

AND DBW MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A SURRENDERED VERSUS AN ABANDONED VESSEL.

TYPICALLY, ABANDONED VESSELS ARE FAIRLY RARE.

AN ABANDONED VESSEL, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE A VESSEL THAT POSES A NAVIGATIONAL HAZARD THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED SOMEWHERE IN THE WATERWAY.

IT POSES AN IMMINENT ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. YOU KNOW, IT'S HARBOR PATROL IS CONCERNED THAT IT MAY SINK.

THEY CAN'T FIND THE OWNER. THEY NEED TO TOW IT AND GET RID OF IT IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE EITHER IT COULD CAUSE HARM TO SOMEBODY ELSE OR TO THE ENVIRONMENT.

THOSE CALLS ARE TYPICALLY MADE BY THE HARBOR PATROL WHEN IT'S AN ABANDONED VESSEL LIKE THAT.

THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, TOW IT TO A MOORING, REACH OUT TO US.

WE'LL TALK TO DBW, SAY, HEY, WE THINK WE HAVE AN ABANDONED VESSEL.

DBW WILL GIVE US THE AUTHORIZATION TO REMOVE IT AS AN ABANDONED VESSEL.

NOW SURRENDERED VESSEL IS CLASSIFIED DIFFERENTLY BY DBW.

A SURRENDERED VESSEL WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, A VESSEL THAT IS IN A SLIP IN ONE OF THE MARINAS, AND THE OWNER HAS BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT HASN'T FOUND ANY TAKERS BECAUSE IT ESSENTIALLY HAS NO VALUE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SEAWORTHY. IT HAS VARIOUS ISSUES GOING ON WITH IT.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO FIX IT. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO FIND THEY CAN'T FIND SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BUY IT. AND THEY'RE STUCK.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET RID OF IT. THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, APPROACH THE MARINA, SAY THAT THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.

THE MARINA WOULD REACH OUT TO US. WE WOULD HAVE THEM SIGN THE PAPERWORK, ESSENTIALLY SIGNING OVER OWNERSHIP TO THE CITY.

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AND THEN WE WOULD GET APPROVAL TO REMOVE AND DISPOSE OF THE VESSEL THAT WAY.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES THAT THE GRANT COVERS.

EXACTLY WAS WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT, SO. OKAY, I APOLOGIZE IF I TALKED A LITTLE TOO MUCH.

OH NO, NO, THAT'S A GREAT EXPLANATION. MY OTHER COMMENT IS YOU KNOW, THE BREAKWATER REPAIR PROJECT KEEPS GETTING EXTENDED, EXTENDED AND EXTENDED. ARE, ARE THEY AWARE THAT WE HAVE A BIG EVENT IN THE HARBOR COMING UP ON DECEMBER 12TH? YES. OKAY. WE HAVE KEPT THEM AWARE OF ALL OF OUR BIG I MEAN, DURING THE SUMMER, HOW BUSY OUR WATERFRONT WAS.

I DON'T KNOW, DAVE, WHAT YOUR SENSE IS. ARE THEY ACTUALLY LEAVING IN NOVEMBER THIS TIME? SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, THIS IS A, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A ARMY CORPS PROJECT, NOT A CITY PROJECT.

WE DO MEET WEEKLY WITH THE ARMY CORPS WHERE THEY PROVIDE US WITH UPDATES.

THE DATE, THE COMPLETION DATE FOR THIS PROJECT THAT THEY PROVIDED THE CITY HAS CHANGED, YOU KNOW, I THINK THREE TIMES AT THIS POINT NOW THEY DID TELL US THAT THEY PICKED MID NOVEMBER BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT OF CUSHION ROOM, WHICH TO ME INDICATES THAT THEY'RE HOPING THAT THEY'LL BE DONE BEFORE THEN. LOOKING AT THE SECTIONS OF THE BREAK WALL THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THEY HAVE COMPLETED NUMEROUS SITES THAT THEY ORIGINALLY TARGETED. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE ONE MORE SITE LEFT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING HONEST WITH US AT THIS POINT ABOUT THE MID NOVEMBER COMPLETION DATE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF WE ARE TOLD OTHERWISE BY THE ARMY CORPS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANOTHER UPDATE.

ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK YOU MIGHT. I THINK YOU BREEZED OVER IT.

THE SECOND NOTE, LCP GRANT. I'VE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY OF THAT.

I BREEZED OVER IT BECAUSE I FORGOT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I WAS GOING THROUGH THE LIST VERY QUICKLY.

THE LCP GRANT, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS. DAVE, IS THIS YOUR PROJECT? IT IS. SO AS YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY IN A COASTAL ZONE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A LOCAL COASTAL PLAN.

THIS IS A REQUIREMENT BY THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

AND THE COASTAL COMMISSION OR I SHOULD, RATHER I SHOULD SAY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA PASSED SB 272.

I CAN'T RECALL IF IT WAS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE THEN.

BUT SB 272 REQUIRES ALL COASTAL CITIES WITHIN THE COASTAL ZONE TO UPDATE THEIR LOCAL COASTAL PLANS TO BRING THEM IN COMPLIANCE WITH NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COASTAL COMMISSION HAS PUT INTO PLACE.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS, WHAT THE COASTAL COMMISSION IS DOING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A CARROT TO CITIES TO UPDATE THEIR LOCAL COASTAL PLAN, IS A GRANT. THE CITY WAS AWARDED A $500,000 GRANT WHICH WE ARE WORKING WITH A QUALIFIED VENDOR, WHICH IS DUDECK. THEY'VE HELPED OTHER VARIOUS CITIES UPDATE THEIR LCPS AS WELL.

TO UPDATE THE CITY'S LCP TO KEEP IT, TO BRING IT UP INTO COMPLIANCE.

SO THIS COULD BE SEA LEVEL RISE, VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS.

WE HAD A SEA LEVEL RISE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT THAT WAS CONDUCTED IN 2019, BUT THAT ONLY FOCUSED ON KING HARBOR, IT DIDN'T INCORPORATE THE ENTIRE CITY'S LOCAL COASTAL ZONE.

SO THIS GRANT WOULD HELP FUND THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOW TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE ENTIRE COASTAL ZONE AS WE UPDATE OUR LCP TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.

IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR US TO DO SOME CLEANUP OF OUR LOCAL COASTAL PLAN.

IF YOU'VE EVER LOOKED AT THE CITY'S LOCAL COASTAL PLAN, IT'S REALLY NOT ORGANIZED IN A READER FRIENDLY MANNER.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENT UPON AMENDMENT PILED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER BASED ON DATE.

AND IF YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT HAS CHANGED, IT'LL HAVE A FOOTNOTE THAT SAYS, FOR CHANGES, REFER TO THIS DATE. AND THEN YOU'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH ALL THESE AMENDMENTS SINCE THE 1970S, ESSENTIALLY. SO THIS WOULD HELP REALLY CLEAN THAT UP AND MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT NICER AND EASIER TO READ.

THE GRANT ITSELF DOESN'T NECESSARILY PREDICATE ANY ACTUAL CHANGES TO THE LCP, RATHER THAN JUST UPDATING IT AND BRINGING IT INTO COMPLIANCE AND CONDUCTING THAT SEA LEVEL RISE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

THANK YOU. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A COMMENT ON UPCOMING EVENTS.

I DON'T THINK THEY PULLED A PERMIT, BUT THERE'S THE WITCHES PADDLE THIS SATURDAY THE 17TH.

JUST YOU REALIZE YOU'RE ON RECORD. WHAT'S THAT? WITCHES PADDLE THIS SATURDAY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE

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THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I KNOW THE TRAINING THAT WAS THAT WAS NOT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT MENTIONED THAT.

WELL, MAYBE I CAN WE DO PUBLIC? RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW WHAT. LET ME ASK THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. OKAY. WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT FOR THE NEXT TIME. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT, NOW ON TO.

AND COMMISSION ITEMS AND FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA TOPICS.

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BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT OR NOT, BUT. THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION ITEM. IT'S MORE OF STAFF WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHAT OUR BEST SOLUTION IS. SO THAT WAS MY THING.

SO WE CAN'T REFER ITEMS TO STAFF TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO DO WORK.

SO I WASN'T SURE HOW TO APPROACH THE TOPIC. THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT TO US, MIO? I BROUGHT IT ONCE BEFORE, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. ARE WE STILL WORKING ON IT TO FIND A SOLUTION? WE'VE UPDATED THE SIGNAGE FOR THE LOADING ZONE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT.

THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S A THAT WHOLE PARKING LOT UP ABOVE.

THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF PARENTS PARK BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS UP THERE, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SOME DOWN BELOW. UPSTAIRS, THEY'RE JUST GETTING TICKETS LEFT, LIKE SO MUCH SO THAT THE STAFF OF THE SCHOOL WILL BE AT THE DOOR TO TAKE YOUR CHILD FROM YOU AND SIGN THE CHILD IN, RATHER THAN YOU BEING ABLE TO, LIKE, SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR KID AT THEIR CLASSROOM, AND THEY ALWAYS FREAK OUT AND HUG YOU AND WON'T LET GO AND ALL TO NOT GET A TICKET.

YEAH. I IMAGINE IT'S NOT A TOPIC FOR. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY THOUGHTS.

I JUST I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN. WELL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW THAT THE FIX WE THOUGHT WOULD FIX IT ISN'T ACTUALLY FIXING ANYTHING.

SO IT WOULD JUST. IT MIGHT BE DOWN BELOW, BUT ALSO ONLY IS THREE SPOTS.

AND AT 9:00, 9:30, WHEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 15 CARS THERE FOR PARENTS.

YEAH. NO, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW WE CAN GO AHEAD AND RECONNECT WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN PD, AND IT'S ALL WE CAN DO. YEAH. ANY OTHER ITEMS? HEARING NONE I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN A SECOND.

I WILL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 8:04.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.